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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:06:58 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:06:24 -0500, HK wrote:

Well, you can always put torn-up nets in their path. There's nothing
like 100' of fishing net wrapped around the propshaft to slow down these
inboard behemoths!
How do we slow the outboard behemoths?

You don't.

~~ snerk ~~


If my Parker is on full plane, the wake is pretty damned flat. That
wasn't true with my first Parker, but it is with this one.

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"HK" wrote in message
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When you have powerboaters like Wayne B., who says,
"That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play," then you don't have to wonder whether
there are ill-mannered guys out there who don't give a damn about the
havoc their wakes cause."

I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about
their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake Bay,
and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries.

Isn't that the point Wayne is making? If there are boats, there will be
wakes, big and small.
I've often been out on my little 13' Whaler navigating over a big (to it)
wake from a passing large boat a mile away. I don't stand up, waving my
one fingered hand, shouting curses at the distant or not so distant boat.

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.

Eisboch

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"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:06:58 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:06:24 -0500, HK wrote:

Well, you can always put torn-up nets in their path. There's nothing
like 100' of fishing net wrapped around the propshaft to slow down
these inboard behemoths!
How do we slow the outboard behemoths?

You don't.

~~ snerk ~~


If my Parker is on full plane, the wake is pretty damned flat. That wasn't
true with my first Parker, but it is with this one.

Try running the length of the ICW on full plane. You won't get far.

Eisboch

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:17:52 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Wayne... doesn't matter if it's intentional or not. You're responsible for
your wake. Having a bigger boat doesn't absolve you of your
responsibilities; it increases them.

The legality of being responsible for your wake is well understood.

It is understood to mean that you are responsible for damage caused by
your wake. It has been pointed out to me that my comment of "no
blood, no foul" was possibly flippant and insensitive. Perhaps. It
is however closely aligned with the legality of the issue. It is
always a judgement call just how much wake reduction is actually
called for in any given situation. I'm sure you'd agree that a kayak
or rowing shell is at much more risk from a wake than a 30 or 40
something sailboat. Most responsible powerboaters are faced with that
sort of decision process dozens of times in a typical afternoon on the
water. It is absolutely unreasonable to expect zero wake in every
circumstance unless you are on a boat that could actually be damaged
by a relatively small wave. The fact is that we hear of very few
cases where there is actual damage from a wake. So even though there
is a lot of complaining going on, very little actual carnage is taking
place. Insensitive? Frankly, I don't think so. I go out in both
small and large boats. When I'm out in a small one I expect others to
take reasonable precautions but I certainly don't expect flat water
much as I might like it. A good helmsman on a boat, small or large,
knows how to deal with a wake to minimize its effects. It's part of
boating.

By way of example, I recently took my 11 foot inflatable RIB dinghy
for an afternoon ride on Pamlico Sound behind the Outer Banks of North
Carolina. This an area of open water frequented by large numbers of
sportfishing boats greater than 40 ft. You could argue that an 11 ft
RIB is not really suited for those conditions but there I was anyway.
Since the channel is none too wide in many places, I got waked at
least a dozen times. Uncomfortable? You bet. Dangerous?
Potentially. Nevertheless I was able to cope by managing my speed and
angle of approach. Did I get paranoid and accuse anyone of
deliberately endangering me? Heck no, I'm the one who chose to be in
their playground, in a potentially unsuitable boat.

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:04:07 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I see more crazy powerboat operation in a single weekend at the entrance to
Scituate harbor during the summer than anything I witnessed on the ICW and
the biggest offenders are in smaller, outboard or I/O powered boats.

Sounds like the Caloosahatchie River between Sanibel Island and Ft
Myers on a nice winter weekend. It's like a non-stop demolition derby
out there. The large boats are generally the most responsible, up to
a point. There are those with this curious notion that no one should
ever inconvenience them with a wake. They should spend some time on
the Caloosahatchie.

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:12:42 -0500, HK wrote:

I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about
their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake
Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries.

Why should anyone worry about their wake on Chesapeake Bay? It's open
water. The freighters don't worry about their wake, the Coast Guard
doesn't, The US Navy does not, tug boats don't. Wakes happen. On a
windy day the naturally occurring waves are 3 to 4 feet out there.

Your transom is too low. Get over it, get a bigger boat, or don't go
out where the big boys play.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:17:52 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

Wayne... doesn't matter if it's intentional or not. You're responsible for
your wake. Having a bigger boat doesn't absolve you of your
responsibilities; it increases them.

The legality of being responsible for your wake is well understood.

It is understood to mean that you are responsible for damage caused by
your wake. It has been pointed out to me that my comment of "no
blood, no foul" was possibly flippant and insensitive. Perhaps. It
is however closely aligned with the legality of the issue. It is
always a judgement call just how much wake reduction is actually
called for in any given situation. I'm sure you'd agree that a kayak
or rowing shell is at much more risk from a wake than a 30 or 40
something sailboat. Most responsible powerboaters are faced with that

Ah... the problem is that there are a lot of boaters (power and otherwise)
who are not acting responsibly.

sort of decision process dozens of times in a typical afternoon on the
water. It is absolutely unreasonable to expect zero wake in every
circumstance unless you are on a boat that could actually be damaged
by a relatively small wave. The fact is that we hear of very few
cases where there is actual damage from a wake. So even though there
is a lot of complaining going on, very little actual carnage is taking
place. Insensitive? Frankly, I don't think so. I go out in both

The issue seems to be that by talking about a large wake (in my professional
judgement) you claimed that I was whining and complaining without
justification. I believe my concerns were justified.

small and large boats. When I'm out in a small one I expect others to
take reasonable precautions but I certainly don't expect flat water
much as I might like it. A good helmsman on a boat, small or large,
knows how to deal with a wake to minimize its effects. It's part of
boating.

No one expects flat water. And, certain precautions can and should be taken.
Where do you see that I was unable or didn't do that? The PBer in question
was moving 5 or more times faster than we were, from astern of us, and came
dangerously close (in my professional opinion).

By way of example, I recently took my 11 foot inflatable RIB dinghy
for an afternoon ride on Pamlico Sound behind the Outer Banks of North
Carolina. This an area of open water frequented by large numbers of
sportfishing boats greater than 40 ft. You could argue that an 11 ft
RIB is not really suited for those conditions but there I was anyway.
Since the channel is none too wide in many places, I got waked at
least a dozen times. Uncomfortable? You bet. Dangerous?
Potentially. Nevertheless I was able to cope by managing my speed and
angle of approach. Did I get paranoid and accuse anyone of
deliberately endangering me? Heck no, I'm the one who chose to be in
their playground, in a potentially unsuitable boat.

Nice story, but that has nothing to do with the situation I described. If
you feel it was dangerous, you shouldn't have gone there in that.


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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:13:07 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

By way of example, I recently took my 11 foot inflatable RIB dinghy
for an afternoon ride on Pamlico Sound behind the Outer Banks of North
Carolina. This an area of open water frequented by large numbers of
sportfishing boats greater than 40 ft. You could argue that an 11 ft
RIB is not really suited for those conditions but there I was anyway.
Since the channel is none too wide in many places, I got waked at
least a dozen times. Uncomfortable? You bet. Dangerous?
Potentially. Nevertheless I was able to cope by managing my speed and
angle of approach. Did I get paranoid and accuse anyone of
deliberately endangering me? Heck no, I'm the one who chose to be in
their playground, in a potentially unsuitable boat.

Nice story, but that has nothing to do with the situation I described. If
you feel it was dangerous, you shouldn't have gone there in that.

Precisely.

These sportfish were moving fast however, and coming a lot closer than
you'd really like. No blood, no foul. It gets interesting if I'm
capsized however. They are resposible for their wake, we all know
that. What about my quesionable judgement however (too small a boat),
and failure to negotiate a dangerous wave in a seamanlike manner. Life
is complicated sometimes.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:12:42 -0500, HK wrote:

I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about
their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake
Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries.

Why should anyone worry about their wake on Chesapeake Bay? It's open
water. The freighters don't worry about their wake, the Coast Guard
doesn't, The US Navy does not, tug boats don't. Wakes happen. On a
windy day the naturally occurring waves are 3 to 4 feet out there.

Your transom is too low. Get over it, get a bigger boat, or don't go
out where the big boys play.


There are plenty of places on the Bay where very small boats congregate.
You probably don't notice them. There are guys out there in rowboats,
kayaks, canoes, not in the middle of the bay, but not far offshore, near
inlets, creeks, et cetera. Most boaters slow down anytime they get near
these guys, so they don't cause them problems. The arrogant ass boaters,
of course, don't.

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Eisboch wrote:
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:06:58 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:06:24 -0500, HK wrote:

Well, you can always put torn-up nets in their path. There's nothing
like 100' of fishing net wrapped around the propshaft to slow down
these inboard behemoths!
How do we slow the outboard behemoths?
You don't.

~~ snerk ~~

If my Parker is on full plane, the wake is pretty damned flat. That wasn't
true with my first Parker, but it is with this one.

Try running the length of the ICW on full plane. You won't get far.

Eisboch



So? If you are in a hurry, you should be on an airplane.

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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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When you have powerboaters like Wayne B., who says,
"That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play," then you don't have to wonder whether
there are ill-mannered guys out there who don't give a damn about the
havoc their wakes cause."

I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about
their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake Bay,
and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries.

Isn't that the point Wayne is making? If there are boats, there will be
wakes, big and small.
I've often been out on my little 13' Whaler navigating over a big (to it)
wake from a passing large boat a mile away. I don't stand up, waving my
one fingered hand, shouting curses at the distant or not so distant boat.

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.

Eisboch



Observant, considerate boaters whose craft throw up big wakes slow down
when they find themselves among other boaters so their wakes flatten out
and don't create a serious problem. Arrogant boaters don't slow down.

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.

Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:59:36 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:12:42 -0500, HK wrote:

I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about
their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake
Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries.

Why should anyone worry about their wake on Chesapeake Bay? It's open
water. The freighters don't worry about their wake, the Coast Guard
doesn't, The US Navy does not, tug boats don't. Wakes happen. On a
windy day the naturally occurring waves are 3 to 4 feet out there.

Your transom is too low. Get over it, get a bigger boat, or don't go
out where the big boys play.


There are plenty of places on the Bay where very small boats congregate.
You probably don't notice them. There are guys out there in rowboats,
kayaks, canoes, not in the middle of the bay, but not far offshore, near
inlets, creeks, et cetera. Most boaters slow down anytime they get near
these guys, so they don't cause them problems. The arrogant ass boaters,
of course, don't.

I *always* slow down for rowboats, kayaks and canoes, even when they
are where they don't belong. Everyone else is a judgement call. I
don't believe we have ever endangered anyone with our wake but there
are lots of "wake whiners" out there who expect flat water where ever
they go. Some of them are in large sailboats which is kind of
comical.

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" JimH" ask wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.

Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)

Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger boat
does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate for it in
your case.


Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by full
blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full blast than
when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose sailboat can't
take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the shelves needs to get his
act together.

Wilbur Hubbard

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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
" JimH" ask wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.
Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)
Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger boat
does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate for it in
your case.


Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by full
blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full blast than
when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose sailboat can't
take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the shelves needs to get his
act together.

Wilbur Hubbard




Really? Interesting, because when I come off plane and slow my boat way
down, there's no visible wake. There are bubbles. That's been true for
all the boats I've ever owned.

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"HK" wrote in message
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Observant, considerate boaters whose craft throw up big wakes slow down
when they find themselves among other boaters so their wakes flatten out
and don't create a serious problem. Arrogant boaters don't slow down.

I certainly agree with that.

Eisboch

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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right
to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or
get off ''his'' waters.

Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2.
============================

No whine before its time.

One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat"
implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if
any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I
suspected it.

That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play.


Geez...what an arrogant ass you are.

He's a 'professional boater'..don't ya know, heads & shoulders above the
common weekend recreational types.



Down boy! Good puppy!

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"HK" wrote in message
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
" JimH" ask wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.
Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)
Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger
boat does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate
for it in your case.


Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by full
blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full blast than
when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose sailboat can't
take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the shelves needs to get
his act together.

Wilbur Hubbard


Really? Interesting, because when I come off plane and slow my boat way
down, there's no visible wake. There are bubbles. That's been true for
all the boats I've ever owned.

Duh. Are you dumb or something? Let's say the sailboat's motoring along at
six or seven knots. You need to be going about ten knots in your powerboat
in order to get around them in a timely manner. At ten knots your powerboat
is "plowing." That is it's making a big, slow, rolly wake. This slow wake is
worse than a high speed wake which has smaller waves at a higher frequency.

You're welcome.

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:13:07 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

By way of example, I recently took my 11 foot inflatable RIB dinghy
for an afternoon ride on Pamlico Sound behind the Outer Banks of North
Carolina. This an area of open water frequented by large numbers of
sportfishing boats greater than 40 ft. You could argue that an 11 ft
RIB is not really suited for those conditions but there I was anyway.
Since the channel is none too wide in many places, I got waked at
least a dozen times. Uncomfortable? You bet. Dangerous?
Potentially. Nevertheless I was able to cope by managing my speed and
angle of approach. Did I get paranoid and accuse anyone of
deliberately endangering me? Heck no, I'm the one who chose to be in
their playground, in a potentially unsuitable boat.

Nice story, but that has nothing to do with the situation I described. If
you feel it was dangerous, you shouldn't have gone there in that.

Precisely.

These sportfish were moving fast however, and coming a lot closer than
you'd really like. No blood, no foul. It gets interesting if I'm
capsized however. They are resposible for their wake, we all know
that. What about my quesionable judgement however (too small a boat),
and failure to negotiate a dangerous wave in a seamanlike manner. Life
is complicated sometimes.


The difference is that where we were was not a place where one would expect
someone to come so close going so fast. There was simply no reason for him
to come as close as he did. He was just "in a hurry" without regard to
anyone else on the water.


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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
" JimH" ask wrote in message
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.
Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)
Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger
boat does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate
for it in your case.

Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by full
blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full blast than
when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose sailboat can't
take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the shelves needs to get
his act together.

Wilbur Hubbard

Really? Interesting, because when I come off plane and slow my boat way
down, there's no visible wake. There are bubbles. That's been true for
all the boats I've ever owned.

Duh. Are you dumb or something? Let's say the sailboat's motoring along at
six or seven knots. You need to be going about ten knots in your powerboat
in order to get around them in a timely manner. At ten knots your powerboat
is "plowing." That is it's making a big, slow, rolly wake. This slow wake is
worse than a high speed wake which has smaller waves at a higher frequency.

You're welcome.

Wilbur Hubbard



Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring along
at any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a narrow
river or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to without
churning up a wake.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:12:42 -0500, HK wrote:

I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about
their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake
Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries.

Why should anyone worry about their wake on Chesapeake Bay? It's open
water. The freighters don't worry about their wake, the Coast Guard
doesn't, The US Navy does not, tug boats don't. Wakes happen. On a
windy day the naturally occurring waves are 3 to 4 feet out there.

Not sure about the Chesapeake, but out here they certainly do care about
their wake. In the bay, frieghters have stand-on status, the Coasties
definitely slow down and know the rules when they pass another boat, and tug
boats when not engaged in operations, are courteous to a fault. Wakes happen
anyway, but not huge ones by arrogant Coasties or tugs.

Your transom is too low. Get over it, get a bigger boat, or don't go
out where the big boys play.



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Capt. JG wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:12:42 -0500, HK wrote:

I have seen plenty of powerboaters who do not give a tinker's dam about
their wakes. I've seen it in the ICW, and I see it out on Chesapeake
Bay, and I have seen it on the Patuxent River and its tributaries.
Why should anyone worry about their wake on Chesapeake Bay? It's open
water. The freighters don't worry about their wake, the Coast Guard
doesn't, The US Navy does not, tug boats don't. Wakes happen. On a
windy day the naturally occurring waves are 3 to 4 feet out there.

Not sure about the Chesapeake, but out here they certainly do care about
their wake. In the bay, frieghters have stand-on status, the Coasties
definitely slow down and know the rules when they pass another boat, and tug
boats when not engaged in operations, are courteous to a fault. Wakes happen
anyway, but not huge ones by arrogant Coasties or tugs.

Your transom is too low. Get over it, get a bigger boat, or don't go
out where the big boys play.





Wayne is very self-important on the bridge of his floating RV, and
obviously thinks the waterways are his alone. If you're in a smaller
boat, why, you shouldn't be in his way.

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:29:06 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger boat
does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate for it in
your case.

That seems uncalled for. What happened to "lead by example"?

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"HK" wrote in message
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:08 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Wayne's comment is not arrogance. It's realism.
Thank you.

There are a lot of wake whiners out there. :-)
Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger
boat does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate
for it in your case.

Children, children! My experience is I'd rather a power boat go by
full blast. They make smaller wakes of shorter duration going full
blast than when they slow down trying to be polite. Any sailor whose
sailboat can't take a powerboat wake without stuff flying off the
shelves needs to get his act together.

Wilbur Hubbard

Really? Interesting, because when I come off plane and slow my boat way
down, there's no visible wake. There are bubbles. That's been true for
all the boats I've ever owned.

Duh. Are you dumb or something? Let's say the sailboat's motoring along
at six or seven knots. You need to be going about ten knots in your
powerboat in order to get around them in a timely manner. At ten knots
your powerboat is "plowing." That is it's making a big, slow, rolly wake.
This slow wake is worse than a high speed wake which has smaller waves at
a higher frequency.

You're welcome.

Wilbur Hubbard

Most of the sailboats I see out on Chesapeake Bay aren't motoring along at
any knots, they're under sail. And if I am following one up a narrow river
or inlet, I can get around it easily enough if I need to without churning
up a wake.


Sailboats under sail are steadied by their sails. You have plenty of space
on the Bay to pass them full throttle if you want and you can leave plenty
of distance between you and them. Slowing down in that case is stupid. The
only time any real sailboat is bothered by a wake is when it's motoring
along in a channel. Then the wake comes on the beam or quarter and rolls it
like crazy. The faster you pass them (provided you pass at a safe distance)
the less your wake will bother them. Take my word for it.

Some might give you the #1 signal but those people are too dumb to realize a
fast wake with smaller, high frequency waves tosses their boat around far
less than those obnoxious slow rolly wakes. Those are the ones that are most
disruptive.

Wilbur Hubbard

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:54:50 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

The difference is that where we were was not a place where one would expect
someone to come so close going so fast. There was simply no reason for him
to come as close as he did. He was just "in a hurry" without regard to
anyone else on the water.

I agree that passing too close at speed is poor seamanship.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:29:06 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger boat
does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate for it in
your case.

That seems uncalled for. What happened to "lead by example"?

Like politics, this discussion, although initially worthwhile, has run it's
course.

Eisboch

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Was delivering a 110' boat to Fla., running down the ditch..... was an open
stretch, nothing in sight ahead, just the occasional side channel, doin
about 10K.
All of a sudden, looked up one of those side channels and noticed a
fisherman in a small flat bottom boat.... Oh Sh&t!!.....pulled em back but
knew it was too late!
As we went by, we could see that we'd sucked every last drop of water out
of that side channel and this "Goodoleboy" was high and dry in the mud with
his lower jaw hangin about down to his kneecaps.
Bout this time the water rushed back in to fill the void and all we saw was
assholes, elbows, and fishing poles flying in all kinds of directions......
Few minutes later we were overtaken by this "gentleman" from the South who
had many choice words to say about our "Yankee" heritage.....worst part was
that his anger became all the more incensed by the fact that we were all
ready in a total fit of laughter and the more he yelled the worse our fit
became!!!
To this day, I'm not sure how we kept that boat in the channel till he
finally gave up the chase!

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otnmbrd wrote:
Was delivering a 110' boat to Fla., running down the ditch..... was an open
stretch, nothing in sight ahead, just the occasional side channel, doin
about 10K.
All of a sudden, looked up one of those side channels and noticed a
fisherman in a small flat bottom boat.... Oh Sh&t!!.....pulled em back but
knew it was too late!
As we went by, we could see that we'd sucked every last drop of water out
of that side channel and this "Goodoleboy" was high and dry in the mud with
his lower jaw hangin about down to his kneecaps.
Bout this time the water rushed back in to fill the void and all we saw was
assholes, elbows, and fishing poles flying in all kinds of directions......
Few minutes later we were overtaken by this "gentleman" from the South who
had many choice words to say about our "Yankee" heritage.....worst part was
that his anger became all the more incensed by the fact that we were all
ready in a total fit of laughter and the more he yelled the worse our fit
became!!!
To this day, I'm not sure how we kept that boat in the channel till he
finally gave up the chase!



It would have been really funny for you if someone in his boat had drowned.

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"otnmbrd" wrote in message
.70...
Was delivering a 110' boat to Fla., running down the ditch..... was an
open
stretch, nothing in sight ahead, just the occasional side channel, doin
about 10K.
All of a sudden, looked up one of those side channels and noticed a
fisherman in a small flat bottom boat.... Oh Sh&t!!.....pulled em back but
knew it was too late!
As we went by, we could see that we'd sucked every last drop of water out
of that side channel and this "Goodoleboy" was high and dry in the mud
with
his lower jaw hangin about down to his kneecaps.
Bout this time the water rushed back in to fill the void and all we saw
was
assholes, elbows, and fishing poles flying in all kinds of
directions......
Few minutes later we were overtaken by this "gentleman" from the South who
had many choice words to say about our "Yankee" heritage.....worst part
was
that his anger became all the more incensed by the fact that we were all
ready in a total fit of laughter and the more he yelled the worse our fit
became!!!
To this day, I'm not sure how we kept that boat in the channel till he
finally gave up the chase!


Good for you! Some of these recreational fishermen think they own the world.
I've had them actually block a navigable channel with their lines going from
one side to the other and they yelled at me to stop because they had lines
in the water. I slowed down, grinned and just kept motoring. Snagged a
couple of their lines and you shoulda heard the profanity.

I've even had kids fishing from a dock try to tell me to keep clear because
they had lines in the water. I had to tell them, "You better get them out
quick because I'm coming in."

Wilbur Hubbard

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"HK" wrote in message
...
otnmbrd wrote:
Was delivering a 110' boat to Fla., running down the ditch..... was an
open stretch, nothing in sight ahead, just the occasional side channel,
doin about 10K.
All of a sudden, looked up one of those side channels and noticed a
fisherman in a small flat bottom boat.... Oh Sh&t!!.....pulled em back
but knew it was too late!
As we went by, we could see that we'd sucked every last drop of water out
of that side channel and this "Goodoleboy" was high and dry in the mud
with his lower jaw hangin about down to his kneecaps.
Bout this time the water rushed back in to fill the void and all we saw
was assholes, elbows, and fishing poles flying in all kinds of
directions......
Few minutes later we were overtaken by this "gentleman" from the South
who had many choice words to say about our "Yankee" heritage.....worst
part was that his anger became all the more incensed by the fact that we
were all ready in a total fit of laughter and the more he yelled the
worse our fit became!!!
To this day, I'm not sure how we kept that boat in the channel till he
finally gave up the chase!


It would have been really funny for you if someone in his boat had
drowned.

Sorta raises a question though. What is the purpose of the ICW? Is it an
inland waterway for boat traffic or is it a private fishing channel for
locals?

Eisboch

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:09:32 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:29:06 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger boat
does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate for it in
your case.

That seems uncalled for. What happened to "lead by example"?

Like politics, this discussion, although initially worthwhile, has run it's
course.

Eisboch

Ok. But I must say that these wake issues is why I will boat in a Mac
26X/M or a Carolina Skiff.
12-16 inches draft.
Lead the big boys onto the shoals and oyster flats when they try to
wake me. Might get a Sea-Tow referral sideline set up to defray
gas costs.

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:09:32 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:29:06 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger boat
does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate for it in
your case.
That seems uncalled for. What happened to "lead by example"?
Like politics, this discussion, although initially worthwhile, has run it's
course.

Eisboch

Ok. But I must say that these wake issues is why I will boat in a Mac
26X/M or a Carolina Skiff.
12-16 inches draft.
Lead the big boys onto the shoals and oyster flats when they try to
wake me. Might get a Sea-Tow referral sideline set up to defray
gas costs.

--Vic


Delicious.

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:09:32 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:29:06 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

Yep, especially when you were slammed by one in a 20 footer. Bigger
boat
does not relate to bigger dick Wayne, although it may compensate for
it in
your case.
That seems uncalled for. What happened to "lead by example"?
Like politics, this discussion, although initially worthwhile, has run
it's course.

Eisboch
Ok. But I must say that these wake issues is why I will boat in a Mac
26X/M or a Carolina Skiff.
12-16 inches draft. Lead the big boys onto the shoals and oyster flats
when they try to
wake me. Might get a Sea-Tow referral sideline set up to defray
gas costs.

--Vic


Delicious.

Humorous, but not reality. No one in a big boat is going to follow you onto
a shoal or oyster flat purposely trying to wake you.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...
otnmbrd wrote:
Was delivering a 110' boat to Fla., running down the ditch..... was an
open stretch, nothing in sight ahead, just the occasional side channel,
doin about 10K.
All of a sudden, looked up one of those side channels and noticed a
fisherman in a small flat bottom boat.... Oh Sh&t!!.....pulled em back
but knew it was too late!
As we went by, we could see that we'd sucked every last drop of water
out of that side channel and this "Goodoleboy" was high and dry in the
mud with his lower jaw hangin about down to his kneecaps.
Bout this time the water rushed back in to fill the void and all we saw
was assholes, elbows, and fishing poles flying in all kinds of
directions......
Few minutes later we were overtaken by this "gentleman" from the South
who had many choice words to say about our "Yankee" heritage.....worst
part was that his anger became all the more incensed by the fact that we
were all ready in a total fit of laughter and the more he yelled the
worse our fit became!!!
To this day, I'm not sure how we kept that boat in the channel till he
finally gave up the chase!


It would have been really funny for you if someone in his boat had
drowned.

Sorta raises a question though. What is the purpose of the ICW? Is it
an inland waterway for boat traffic or is it a private fishing channel for
locals?

Eisboch

Traffic cannot be expected to look up every side-channel and slow down in
time if there's boats in them. They'd have to slow down for every side
channel because by the time they could see small boats in them going at
speed it would be too late to slow down. The burden is on the small boat
fishing to keep clear of dangerous wakes coming from the ICW. Go fish
someplace else. There is a rule that says fishing boats shall not impede
traffic in a channel.

Wilbur Hubbard

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:22:00 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:

"That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play."

Sorry if you were offended.

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" JimH" ask wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Sorta raises a question though. What is the purpose of the ICW? Is it
an inland waterway for boat traffic or is it a private fishing channel
for locals?

Eisboch


I say........both.


I say ...... you're wrong.

You certainly are entitled to go fishing on it, but you have to accept the
fact that it is primarily an inland waterway for both commercial and
recreational boat traffic that can become very busy at certain times of the
year.

Eisboch

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:27:18 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



Ok. But I must say that these wake issues is why I will boat in a Mac
26X/M or a Carolina Skiff.
12-16 inches draft. Lead the big boys onto the shoals and oyster flats
when they try to
wake me. Might get a Sea-Tow referral sideline set up to defray
gas costs.

--Vic


Delicious.

Humorous, but not reality. No one in a big boat is going to follow you onto
a shoal or oyster flat purposely trying to wake you.

Not that I would do it, but it's not unknown for inattentive,
sheep-like drivers of boats - and autos - to follow another
into a hazard.
I'm not proud of it, but I did once sucker another driver into a
speeding ticket.
I had noticed that no matter how fast I went on a lightly traveled
section of highway, some lady just insisted on passing me.
I kept increasing my speed, and backed off just before the crest
of a hill where I knew a state trooper often waited on the other side.
He was there, waiting.
Hey, I didn't force her to be doing 90mph over that hill.

--Vic

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...


Traffic cannot be expected to look up every side-channel and slow down in
time if there's boats in them. They'd have to slow down for every side
channel because by the time they could see small boats in them going at
speed it would be too late to slow down. The burden is on the small boat
fishing to keep clear of dangerous wakes coming from the ICW. Go fish
someplace else. There is a rule that says fishing boats shall not impede
traffic in a channel.

Wilbur Hubbard


At some point in the Carolinas (I think South, but can't remember for sure)
we came upon a large fleet of small jon boats, anchored and fishing, smack
in the middle of the channel and along it's shoreline. The guy ahead of us
in a trawler tried to get around them to the left and promptly ran aground.

After several minutes of deliberations, I started weaving my way between the
boats at idle speed on my 52' vessel. Despite this, we still got the one
finger salute from many of the boats along with references to certain parts
of one's anatomy.

Shuda waked them.

Eisboch

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HK wrote in
:



It would have been really funny for you if someone in his boat had
drowned.


What a stupid sanctimonious statement!!
There was NO harm NO foul!!! He had a good story , we had a good
story....get off your asshole high horse!!

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"Dan" intrceptor@gmaildotcom wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right
to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or
get off ''his'' waters.

Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2.
============================

No whine before its time.

One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat"
implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if
any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I
suspected it.

That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away
from where the big boys play.


Geez...what an arrogant ass you are.

He's a 'professional boater'..don't ya know, heads & shoulders above the
common weekend recreational types.

Down boy! Good puppy!

Didn't WayneB tell you to clam up in another thread?
It worked on JohnH and I was really hoping it would make you straighten up
and fly straight.