|
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction Blocks Traffic
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:27:56 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:47:55 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: How often have you been boating on the Bay with very little wind, yet the bay is very choppy from everyone's wake. It happens all the time, just about everywhere there is boating activity. Wakes rebound off seawalls and the shore, and keep bouncing around for a long time. Whe I worked for Texaco, I had a really neat "wake" experience. I was coming back from a rig along with a crew changeover and when we hit the dock in Venice, the crew boat captain came at the concrete pier at a prett good clip - half throttle at least. At the last possible second, he throttled back to zero, spun the wheel and the damn boat hit the bow wave coming back off the pier and came to a perfect dead stop exactly six inches from the wall. Simply amazing. :) |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:27:56 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:47:55 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: How often have you been boating on the Bay with very little wind, yet the bay is very choppy from everyone's wake. It happens all the time, just about everywhere there is boating activity. Wakes rebound off seawalls and the shore, and keep bouncing around for a long time. Whe I worked for Texaco, I had a really neat "wake" experience. I was coming back from a rig along with a crew changeover and when we hit the dock in Venice, the crew boat captain came at the concrete pier at a prett good clip - half throttle at least. At the last possible second, he throttled back to zero, spun the wheel and the damn boat hit the bow wave coming back off the pier and came to a perfect dead stop exactly six inches from the wall. Simply amazing. :) I wonder if that was his first time docking the boat. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:18:44 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:43:30 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I've stayed out of this mostly because I have a different view. Which I am NOT going to share. :) ================================= Why should you be different? :-) PS, If you are concerned about your low wake, get a bigger, heavier boat. It will make all the difference. :-) ) The odd thing is that I couldn't make a decent wake if I tried. :) You probably wouldn't get invited to one, either. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction Blocks Traffic
|
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction Blocks Traffic
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:06:48 -0500, HK wrote:
This little thread has been very revealing about Wayne. And you too Harry. Who would have thought you were such a wake wussy whiner? |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:06:48 -0500, HK wrote: This little thread has been very revealing about Wayne. And you too Harry. Who would have thought you were such a wake wussy whiner? I don't have problems with wakes caused by inconsiderate boaters, but I have seen small boats swamped and overturned by arrogant a**holes in big boats. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction Blocks Traffic
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:59:07 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:27:56 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:47:55 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: How often have you been boating on the Bay with very little wind, yet the bay is very choppy from everyone's wake. It happens all the time, just about everywhere there is boating activity. Wakes rebound off seawalls and the shore, and keep bouncing around for a long time. Whe I worked for Texaco, I had a really neat "wake" experience. I was coming back from a rig along with a crew changeover and when we hit the dock in Venice, the crew boat captain came at the concrete pier at a prett good clip - half throttle at least. At the last possible second, he throttled back to zero, spun the wheel and the damn boat hit the bow wave coming back off the pier and came to a perfect dead stop exactly six inches from the wall. Simply amazing. :) I wonder if that was his first time docking the boat. He received his license that morning. :) |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction Blocks Traffic
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:36:53 -0500, HK wrote:
I don't have problems with wakes caused by inconsiderate boaters, but I have seen small boats swamped and overturned by arrogant a**holes in big boats. You'll be glad to know that I don't do that. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
HK wrote:
Scotty wrote: " JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On open water small boats should have no expectation of wake avoidance. If you go out there, accept the risks without whinning. Huh? Is that how you operate? Thank God his type is only a small percentage of real boaters. This little thread has been very revealing about Wayne. When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction Blocks Traffic
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:11:53 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote:
In any event is certainly looks like you need to learn the rules of the road and common boater courtesy Wayne as you somehow think the guy with the bigger boat owns the water. Not true at all. I am saying that if you take a small boat onto open water that you need to be able to deal with all of the hazzards out there. Wakes are one of those hazzards and they travel a long way. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction Blocks Traffic
|
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:08:10 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:11:53 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote: In any event is certainly looks like you need to learn the rules of the road and common boater courtesy Wayne as you somehow think the guy with the bigger boat owns the water. Not true at all. I am saying that if you take a small boat onto open water that you need to be able to deal with all of the hazzards out there. Wakes are one of those hazzards and they travel a long way. =========================== "That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play." Wayne B. 11-11-07 =================== "On open water small boats should have no expectation of wake avoidance. If you go out there, accept the risks without whinning." Wayne B. 11-12-07 ========================= Wayne is absoutely right. If you have no expectations of wake avoidance in open water. Anybody with experience in areas where commercial traffic is heavy knows that. Who was talking about commercial traffic? The Chesapeake Bay has a huge amount of commercial traffic. Head boats, party boats, car carriers, container ships, LNG ships. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction Blocks Traffic
On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said:
When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
Jere Lull wrote:
On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
HK wrote:
Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Down in the lower bay, Point Lookout and south you see a container ship coming and you know that the bow wave is going to be worst part, it generates a big roller. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
Don White wrote:
"Dan" intrceptor@gmaildotcom wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:54:08 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: Acording to someone on this group, it's his God given right to wake a smaller boat and you should just deal with it, or get off ''his'' waters. Not sure if he falls under #1 or # 2. ============================ No whine before its time. One man's ripple is another man's tsunami. "Waking a smaller boat" implies an intentional malicious action, and I don't think much, if any, of that goes on. I'd be the first to call someone to task if I suspected it. That said, wakes happen. Get over it, buy a bigger boat, or stay away from where the big boys play. Geez...what an arrogant ass you are. He's a 'professional boater'..don't ya know, heads & shoulders above the common weekend recreational types. Down boy! Good puppy! Didn't WayneB tell you to clam up in another thread? It worked on JohnH and I was really hoping it would make you straighten up and fly straight. You're kidding, right? I'm beginning to think there is more than one child in your house. Now go back to humping Harry's leg. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
Eisboch wrote:
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... Traffic cannot be expected to look up every side-channel and slow down in time if there's boats in them. They'd have to slow down for every side channel because by the time they could see small boats in them going at speed it would be too late to slow down. The burden is on the small boat fishing to keep clear of dangerous wakes coming from the ICW. Go fish someplace else. There is a rule that says fishing boats shall not impede traffic in a channel. Wilbur Hubbard At some point in the Carolinas (I think South, but can't remember for sure) we came upon a large fleet of small jon boats, anchored and fishing, smack in the middle of the channel and along it's shoreline. The guy ahead of us in a trawler tried to get around them to the left and promptly ran aground. After several minutes of deliberations, I started weaving my way between the boats at idle speed on my 52' vessel. Despite this, we still got the one finger salute from many of the boats along with references to certain parts of one's anatomy. Shuda waked them. Eisboch The "W" in ICW stands for waterway. By definition, it's a passage for boats to travel. Fisherman have to understand that and yield to the traffic. Of course some won't and their special salutes should be ignored. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
HK wrote:
Scotty wrote: " JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On open water small boats should have no expectation of wake avoidance. If you go out there, accept the risks without whinning. Huh? Is that how you operate? Thank God his type is only a small percentage of real boaters. This little thread has been very revealing about Wayne. *You're* talking about a "revealing" thread? |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? Damn, you beat me to it! I'm just playing along; I don't believe for a moment Reggie has a boat. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the Great Lakes to Key West. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Do you see many container ships on Lake Lanier? No I don't. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? Reggie has previously stated that he owns a house boat. I would guess he cannot take wakes any larger than those produced by PWC. Maybe that is why he spends all his boating time at the dock........you know.......real boating hours. ;-) No, you are incorrect. I said I spent the night on a houseboat, owned by the marina owner. I never said I owned a houseboat. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
HK wrote:
JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? Damn, you beat me to it! I'm just playing along; I don't believe for a moment Reggie has a boat. Harry, Now you did it, JimH is going to go from thinking I own a houseboat to not owning any boat. You need to give him a score card so he can keep up with the action. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction Blocks Traffic
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:48:29 -0500, BAR wrote:
Anybody with experience in areas where commercial traffic is heavy knows that. Who was talking about commercial traffic? The Chesapeake Bay has a huge amount of commercial traffic. Head boats, party boats, car carriers, container ships, LNG ships. Yes, and they travel at 20+ kts leaving a pretty big bow wave that travels for miles. Their wakes are substantially larger than any sportfish, trawler or motor yacht that I have ever seen, and I've seen quite a few. Anyone out there needs to be prepared. On a nice day during the season there are literally hundreds of 20 something fishing boats close to, or in, the main channel. No one with the possible exception of Harry expects the commercial traffic to slow down, and neither do they expect privately owned boats to slow down either. This whole discussion has gotten rather childish in my opinion with the rabble rousers chiming in with the wussy wake weenies to keep the acrimony flowing. Good sport for an end of season discussion, lots of sound and fury, but not much in the way of new information. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:48:29 -0500, BAR wrote: Anybody with experience in areas where commercial traffic is heavy knows that. Who was talking about commercial traffic? The Chesapeake Bay has a huge amount of commercial traffic. Head boats, party boats, car carriers, container ships, LNG ships. Yes, and they travel at 20+ kts leaving a pretty big bow wave that travels for miles. Their wakes are substantially larger than any sportfish, trawler or motor yacht that I have ever seen, and I've seen quite a few. Anyone out there needs to be prepared. On a nice day during the season there are literally hundreds of 20 something fishing boats close to, or in, the main channel. No one with the possible exception of Harry expects the commercial traffic to slow down, and neither do they expect privately owned boats to slow down either. This whole discussion has gotten rather childish in my opinion with the rabble rousers chiming in with the wussy wake weenies to keep the acrimony flowing. Good sport for an end of season discussion, lots of sound and fury, but not much in the way of new information. Can those container ships generate a rolling wake quiet as big as a floating RV can? |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the Great Lakes to Key West. Hmmm. A while back you said you regularly boat along the east coast, including the Atlantic. So which is it Jim Gallow, errr.........Reggie? And how is that different than what I just said? |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction Blocks Traffic
Wayne.B wrote in
: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:48:29 -0500, BAR wrote: Anybody with experience in areas where commercial traffic is heavy knows that. Who was talking about commercial traffic? The Chesapeake Bay has a huge amount of commercial traffic. Head boats, party boats, car carriers, container ships, LNG ships. Yes, and they travel at 20+ kts leaving a pretty big bow wave that travels for miles. Their wakes are substantially larger than any sportfish, trawler or motor yacht that I have ever seen, and I've seen quite a few. Anyone out there needs to be prepared. On a nice day during the season there are literally hundreds of 20 something fishing boats close to, or in, the main channel. No one with the possible exception of Harry expects the commercial traffic to slow down, and neither do they expect privately owned boats to slow down either. This whole discussion has gotten rather childish in my opinion with the rabble rousers chiming in with the wussy wake weenies to keep the acrimony flowing. Good sport for an end of season discussion, lots of sound and fury, but not much in the way of new information. For a commercial ship to travel at 20+ knots, they will have to be at "sea speeds" which generally requires a 30-40 minute slow down period before they can maneuver.....not hardly likely in the "Chessy" (not impossible, just not likely). The biggest problem will be the pressure wave they push ahead, the suction they create to fill a void, and the backfill as they pass. As with all things, it's important that the small boater be aware of the possibilities and govern accordingly.....course, in the US where the so called justice system has decided that everyone else (especially the deep pockets of big business)is responsible for my irresponsibility, then... I can go out, buy a boat, go out on the water and when I get a whole bunch of people killed because I don't have a clue, then I'm guaranteed that some lawyer will easily convince a jury of uninformed idiots that it was everyone else's fault but mine, that those people were killed................ |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the Great Lakes to Key West. Sure you have. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the Great Lakes to Key West. Hmmm. A while back you said you regularly boat along the east coast, including the Atlantic. So which is it Jim Gallow, errr.........Reggie? And how is that different than what I just said? Welcome back Jim Gallow..................although you really never left. ;-) I think you have crossed the line once you start calling me names, but I really can't figure out what your point is. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
JimH wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the Great Lakes to Key West. Hmmm. A while back you said you regularly boat along the east coast, including the Atlantic. So which is it Jim Gallow, errr.........Reggie? And how is that different than what I just said? It may be possible, but give me a boating route from Lake Lanier to Key West and the Great Lakes. You have previously stated that you do not own a trailer for your houseboat. What world do you live in that one can only use one boat or only go boating in your boat? |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the Great Lakes to Key West. Sure you have. Harry, Do you read what SWS said to Charile and BAR when they were accusing you of not owning a lobster boat? It is just as boring and stupid when you do the same thing. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction Blocks Traffic
|
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Jere Lull wrote: On 2007-11-12 17:50:18 -0500, BAR said: When was the last a container ship or tanker slowed down to no-wake speed coming up the channel of the bay. It doesn't take long for the wake from the bib behemoths to get to either side of the bay and work the way into the exposed tributaries. On the Chesapeake, they do slow as they approach the C&D canal.... Many times, we'd sail at about their speed through the Elk with only moderate winds. A few years back, one blew through and caused serious damage, possibly a death. A friend who rides those things mentioned that the word of the litigation blasted through their community. Truth be told, few run at more than 10-15 knots in the upper Chesapeake in the first place. That's not no-wake speed, but the wake is manageable. Still, I've tracked their wakes for easily more than a mile. Wakes from large ship traffic in the mid-Bay has not been a problem for me. In fact, most of the ships I see are leaving fairly flat wakes. Even when fishing on the edges of the ship channel, it usually isn't a significant problem, in my experience. The large container ships I have seen leave a nice rolling wake. While it was not a problem (we took them at 35-45 degrees) I have never seen a trawler (or even a floating RV) leaving a wake as large. I am trying to figure out what kind of boat, a rec.boater would have that is leaving a wake larger than a container ship. Gee, how many large container ships do you encounter on Lake Lanier? None on Lake Lanier, as I have said before, I have gone boating from the Great Lakes to Key West. Sure you have. Harry, Do you read what SWS said to Charile and BAR when they were accusing you of not owning a lobster boat? It is just as boring and stupid when you do the same thing. Sorry, Reggie, but I don't pay much attention to the crap posted here by the likes of BAR and Charile. In fact, I don't even recall a Charile. Perhaps you like reading the posts of idiots on a regular basis, but I do not. There's no reason to believe you have a boat. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:55:18 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote: The Chesapeake Bay has a huge amount of commercial traffic. Head boats, party boats, car carriers, container ships, LNG ships. Yes, and they travel at 20+ kts leaving a pretty big bow wave that travels for miles. So who was talking about commercial traffic? We were. What diference does it make? A wake is a wake. Deal with it, as soon as Lake Eerie warms up 6 or 7 months from now. Cleveland was on the 6 o'clock news tonight and the weather looked miserable, nice medical center though. So, what's the approximate bill on that dropped tranny? |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction Blocks Traffic
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:20:30 -0000, otnmbrd
wrote: For a commercial ship to travel at 20+ knots, they will have to be at "sea speeds" which generally requires a 30-40 minute slow down period before they can maneuver.....not hardly likely in the "Chessy" (not impossible, just not likely). I have tracked them in the lower bay with my radar. It's usually pretty close. |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction Blocks Traffic
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:11:05 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:55:18 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote: The Chesapeake Bay has a huge amount of commercial traffic. Head boats, party boats, car carriers, container ships, LNG ships. Yes, and they travel at 20+ kts leaving a pretty big bow wave that travels for miles. So who was talking about commercial traffic? We were. What diference does it make? A wake is a wake. Deal with it, as soon as Lake Eerie warms up 6 or 7 months from now. Cleveland was on the 6 o'clock news tonight and the weather looked miserable, nice medical center though. I know you've been on LIS up near The Race when a sub comes out of New London. I swear, it's about the only time I've ever been surprized by the size and depth of a wake - had just about enough time to quarter the three waves or I would have taken a ton of water aboard the Ranger. Talk about a wake. :) |
Cruise Ship Runs Aground in Atlantic ICW - Obstruction BlocksTraffic
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:20:30 -0000, otnmbrd wrote: For a commercial ship to travel at 20+ knots, they will have to be at "sea speeds" which generally requires a 30-40 minute slow down period before they can maneuver.....not hardly likely in the "Chessy" (not impossible, just not likely). I've never seen one at that speed in the areas of the Bay I frequent, usually from the Pax River north to the Baltimore area. |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:15 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 BoatBanter.com