lid wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 07, "Calif Bill" wrote:
Picture in alt.binaries.pictures.sports.ocean of T-8 bracket

Nice.
If I understand Jay correctly, that's what he wants except taller, due
to his transom configuration.

Rick

I have never meet anyone who is more willing to tackle a difficult
project, without any prior experience, than Jay. He is a real Bulldog
when he decides to tackle a project.

(Jay, I mean that in a good way)

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On Tue, 30 Oct 07, "Calif Bill" wrote:
Picture in alt.binaries.pictures.sports.ocean of T-8 bracket

Nice.
If I understand Jay correctly, that's what he wants except taller, due
to his transom configuration.

Rick

I do not know about the taller, as my motor has to set back far enough to
clear the transom with the power head. The tiller handle does rub on the
top of the transom. But my transom is over 35" tall. The sides are 35"
from the chine.

On Tue, 30 Oct 07, "Calif Bill" wrote:
Picture in alt.binaries.pictures.sports.ocean of T-8 bracket

Phantman:
Nice.
If I understand Jay correctly, that's what he wants except taller, due
to his transom configuration.

"Calif Bill" wrote:
I do not know about the taller,

You're right. I was thinking you had a 20" shaft and Jay wanted 25",
but I see now I had it backasswards.

http://www.geocities.com/jaykchan/Ma...o_Transom.html

Rick

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On Tue, 30 Oct 07, "Calif Bill" wrote:
Picture in alt.binaries.pictures.sports.ocean of T-8 bracket

Phantman:
Nice.
If I understand Jay correctly, that's what he wants except taller, due
to his transom configuration.

"Calif Bill" wrote:
I do not know about the taller,

You're right. I was thinking you had a 20" shaft and Jay wanted 25",
but I see now I had it backasswards.

http://www.geocities.com/jaykchan/Ma...o_Transom.html

Rick


Mine is the 25" shaft. The extra long shaft.

On Oct 30, 12:02 pm, wrote:
"jaykchan wrote:
I think a non-retractable version is probably a better
choice for me.

You da man ;-)
Let us know how it works out. With maybe a photo or two on your web
page. I'm thinkin' it should work fine, especially with an extra long
shaft.

Rick

What I have in mind is something like the one described in this web
page by a guy called John Anderson:

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/ref...5AuxMotor.html

His bracket needs to point to the side. Mine will need to not only
point to the side, but also point up -- compounded angle. I
definitely need to make a full scale model before I will cut any
metal.

Jay Chan

On Wed, 31 Oct '07, 8:22pm CST, jaykchan wrote:
What I have in mind is something like the one described in this web
page by a guy called John Anderson:
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/ref...5AuxMotor.html
His bracket needs to point to the side. Mine will need to not only
point to the side, but also point up -- compounded angle.

Why do you need to angle it to the side? From your photo, it appears
you can locate it up close to the hull/deck joint, anywhere you want
on the port half of the transom.
http://www.geocities.com/jaykchan/Ma...o_Transom.html
...... and by the way, are you still planning on a 20" shaft? If so, as
Calif Bill pointed out, you may not need to angle it up very much if
at all. And I wouldn't worry about having your prop too deep. The
deeper your prop, the less likely it'll come out of the water due to
wave action.

Rick

On Oct 31, 10:49 pm, wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct '07, 8:22pm CST, jaykchan wrote:
What I have in mind is something like the one described in this web
page by a guy called John Anderson:
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/ref...5AuxMotor.html
His bracket needs to point to the side. Mine will need to not only
point to the side, but also point up -- compounded angle.

Why do you need to angle it to the side? From your photo, it appears
you can locate it up close to the hull/deck joint, anywhere you want
on the port half of the transom.http://www.geocities.com/jaykchan/Ma...o_Transom.html
..... and by the way, are you still planning on a 20" shaft? If so, as
Calif Bill pointed out, you may not need to angle it up very much if
at all. And I wouldn't worry about having your prop too deep. The
deeper your prop, the less likely it'll come out of the water due to
wave action.

Rick

I was saying that because I don't have a chance to examine the
thickness of the transom on either side of the main outboard. I
didn't examine that area because I thought I would examine that area
after I had removed the boxy structures. Now that I am not going to
remove the boxy structures, I will have to find a different way to
examine the thickness of that area. If that area is thinner than the
rest, the kicker bracket will have to put close to the main outboard,
and will have to angle to the side. Now I think of this, I might have
worried too much. What's the chance that the transom will have
variable thickness anyway. I probably will still take a look on that
area to double check. But the chance is good that the bracket will be
positioned away from the main outboard, and the bracket will only need
to point upward instead of pointing to the side.

Jay Chan

On Thu, 01 Nov 07, 9:33am CST, jaykchan wrote:
What's the chance that the transom will have
variable thickness anyway.

Slim to none. A transom on your type boat would normally be built with
plenty of strength all the way across. Not your "boxy structure", but
the transom.... below the hull/deck joint.

The only fly in the ointment I can see is access to the transom from
inside the boat. You'll need to reach the mounting bolts there with
washers and nuts. That might be a pain in the butt but should be
do-able somehow.

One other consideration, what about mounting it on the Starboard side?
That would put the tiller closer to the center line so might be more
convenient to reach/steer. Just a thought.

Rick

On Nov 1, 1:03 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Nov 07, 9:33am CST, jaykchan wrote:
What's the chance that the transom will have
variable thickness anyway.

Slim to none. A transom on your type boat would normally be built with
plenty of strength all the way across. Not your "boxy structure", but
the transom.... below the hull/deck joint.

The only fly in the ointment I can see is access to the transom from
inside the boat. You'll need to reach the mounting bolts there with
washers and nuts. That might be a pain in the butt but should be
do-able somehow.

One other consideration, what about mounting it on the Starboard side?
That would put the tiller closer to the center line so might be more
convenient to reach/steer. Just a thought.

Rick

Actually, I am going to mount the kicker on the starboard side. The
picture in my web site is showing the port side because there was no
room for me to stand back far enough to take a picture on the
starboard side. Either side looks the same anyway.

I intend to put it in the starboard side for the following reasons:
(1) I believe the turning of the propeller may tend to cause the boat
to tilt to the port side; therefore, putting the kicker in the
starboard may help counter balance this situation. (2) Because of the
location of the steering wheel, I will be standing close to the port
side; the weight of the kicker in the starboard side will also help
counter balance of my weight. Actually, I have no idea if this will
help or not. I just need to find some ways to rationalize my
decision.

Getting access to the back of the transom is going to be a problem.
Currently, there are only one small round inspection hole that is kind
of near that area. I may need to enlarge the small inspection hole to
get access to that area, or I need to open another small hole in the
bottom of the boxy structure to gain direct access to the exact area
in the back of the transom. Or I can open a large hole in the rear
deck where I can squeeze under the deck (when I am done, I will
convert the hole into a storage space).

Jay Chan

On Fri, 02 Nov 07, jaykchan wrote:
I intend to put it in the starboard side for the following reasons:
(1) I believe the turning of the propeller may tend to cause the boat
to tilt to the port side;

Nice theory but in practice, the torque won't cause enough list to
measure much less notice.

(2) Because of the
location of the steering wheel, I will be standing close to the port
side; the weight of the kicker in the starboard side will also help
counter balance of my weight. Actually, I have no idea if this will
help or not.

I like that :-)
Actually, #2 is very valid.
However, if you're ticky about trim, you'll still end up shuffling
things & passengers around to get it just right.

I just need to find some ways to rationalize my
decision.

I think you're good to go :-)

Rick