Demise of a TrawlerRV?
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:48:22 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)
I am positive if there was a problem with ETEC, we would have heard
about it in rec.boats.

So what do you guess is the market share on ETEC?

Don't know. Probably not high compared to Yamaha's. I do know that
Bombardier made an attempt to link engines and boats with their
Fishhawk line, but that lasted for only two years.

Yamaha's success has largely been due to their linkage with
manufacturers on exclusive deals. Customers aren't given any other
choice.

Hard to fight that.

I can say with relative authority, that on bass boats which you can
make a choice, ETECs tend to sell at about the same pace and once you
sell somebody an ETEC, it's instant conversion.

Other than that, can't say.


Not high compared to Yamaha? Not high compared to Mercury or Suzuki,
either, I would bet, not in the larger engine offerings. Hell, there may
be fewer eTecs out there than large Hondas of the same vintage.

There's a lot of residual bad will among boaters and dealers from the
demise of OMC, and the feeling the current owners of the Evinrude brand
name will dump it as soon as they can. Evinrude/Johnson/OMC was a
well-respected brand name until the corporations ruined it.

There are very, very few eTec dealers, and many of those are marginal.

Both Yamaha and Mercury have had long years of linkages with boat
manufacturers. Evinrude used to have these relationships, too. Suzuki
has been trying to build up its linkages, with some limited success.

I wouldn't touch an eTec with a 10-foot pole. I don't know anything
about eTec technology. I don't trust the company that owns the brand name.

That and the fact that eTec has virtually no market penetration around
here.

I'd buy a Merc or a Suzuki, though. Zukes have come a long way.

Demise of a TrawlerRV?
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:34:33 -0400, HK
wrote:

How many times do you have to be told, Reggie?
Don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.

Make that read "embarassing" questions.


No, Wayne, that isn't it. Sorry.

Harry,
I am sure many people would want to know what changed in 4 stroke
tech. vs 2 stroke tech. that made you change your mind? From what
I can tell, the ETEC is an improvement over the Optimax you had,
and 4 stroke is 4 stroke.


There were no changes in 4 v. 2 technology that made me change my mind.
Hope that helps.

So why did you change your mind?


About what, specifically?

At one time you stated there is no way you would ever buy a Yamaha 4
stroke, and that high tech 2 stroke was the only way to go. I think you
actually said you didn't believe Yamaha 4 stroke would ever make it in
the market place. What made you deciede to buy a Yamaha? I figured it
was because that is the only option you had for tht LTP




I don't recall ever making those statements about Yamahas.

Demise of a TrawlerRV?
 

Demise of a TrawlerRV?
 

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:22:46 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:48:22 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)
I am positive if there was a problem with ETEC, we would have heard
about it in rec.boats.

So what do you guess is the market share on ETEC?
Don't know. Probably not high compared to Yamaha's. I do know that
Bombardier made an attempt to link engines and boats with their
Fishhawk line, but that lasted for only two years.

Yamaha's success has largely been due to their linkage with
manufacturers on exclusive deals. Customers aren't given any other
choice.

Hard to fight that.

I can say with relative authority, that on bass boats which you can
make a choice, ETECs tend to sell at about the same pace and once you
sell somebody an ETEC, it's instant conversion.

Other than that, can't say.
The tie in with the mfg'er seems to limit ETEC as an option. I have the
feeling that is why Harry switched to Yamaha

Tri State sells Parkers and Grady's only with Yamahas.


I don't know about Gradys, but you can buy a Parker sans engine.

Demise of a TrawlerRV?
 

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:57:14 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:22:46 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:48:22 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)
I am positive if there was a problem with ETEC, we would have heard
about it in rec.boats.

So what do you guess is the market share on ETEC?
Don't know. Probably not high compared to Yamaha's. I do know that
Bombardier made an attempt to link engines and boats with their
Fishhawk line, but that lasted for only two years.

Yamaha's success has largely been due to their linkage with
manufacturers on exclusive deals. Customers aren't given any other
choice.

Hard to fight that.

I can say with relative authority, that on bass boats which you can
make a choice, ETECs tend to sell at about the same pace and once you
sell somebody an ETEC, it's instant conversion.

Other than that, can't say.
The tie in with the mfg'er seems to limit ETEC as an option. I have the
feeling that is why Harry switched to Yamaha

Tri State sells Parkers and Grady's only with Yamahas.


I don't know about Gradys, but you can buy a Parker sans engine.

No you can't.

And I have the emails to prove it.

Demise of a TrawlerRV?
 

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:23:05 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:02:01 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:47:00 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:

Harry, do you know of any tests showing fuel consumption of the Yamaha 150?

Yamaha has pages and pages of "performance bulletins" on its engines, on
its website.
I guess I'm just plain stupid. I go to the site, click on performance
bulletins, select '4 stroke', 115hp and up, and then there are no
selections. This is the page I'm going to:

http://tinyurl.com/2atzwm

There's a flaw in the way the page works. Select "ALL" three times until
you get to the Boat Manufacturer's Name, then select the name you want.
It'll pull up all the boats of that line that were tested, and you can
see the results for the various matchups between engines and boats. At
least it works that way for me.

Drove me more nuts until I figured it out. Don't ask me why it works
that way. But it does.

Holy ****! http://tinyurl.com/yv5fo5

I've tried several times, but couldn't get it to work. Thanks.


You still can't get it to work?

I should have said 'had tried'. Yes it works, there were a couple dozen
bulletins for Key West boats. Not an exact match, but close enough. Looks
like I should use about .5 gph trolling (3mph) and a little less than 5 gph
cruising (3500 rpm).

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:57:14 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:22:46 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:48:22 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)
I am positive if there was a problem with ETEC, we would have heard
about it in rec.boats.

So what do you guess is the market share on ETEC?
Don't know. Probably not high compared to Yamaha's. I do know that
Bombardier made an attempt to link engines and boats with their
Fishhawk line, but that lasted for only two years.

Yamaha's success has largely been due to their linkage with
manufacturers on exclusive deals. Customers aren't given any other
choice.

Hard to fight that.

I can say with relative authority, that on bass boats which you can
make a choice, ETECs tend to sell at about the same pace and once you
sell somebody an ETEC, it's instant conversion.

Other than that, can't say.
The tie in with the mfg'er seems to limit ETEC as an option. I have the
feeling that is why Harry switched to Yamaha
Tri State sells Parkers and Grady's only with Yamahas.

I don't know about Gradys, but you can buy a Parker sans engine.

No you can't.

And I have the emails to prove it.


Whatever. I was told by Robin Parker at the time I bought my 25-footer
that the other 25-foot models, but not mine, were available sans engine.
It's possible the factory has changed its mind about that, and if you
are not getting that information from the factory, it is possible your
dealer simply doesn't know.

In fact, I have seen a photo of a new Parker with a non-Yamaha motor on
it. I might have even posted that photo here at one time.

Demise of a TrawlerRV?
 

John H. wrote:

Would Tri State sell you a Parker sans engine and then put a Honda on it? I
think they started selling Hondas a couple years ago. They told me they
sold Parkers with Yamahas, but I didn't ask about the no engine scenario.


They've been selling Hondas for as long as I have been in the DC area.

I don't know whether the dealership will order a Parker sans engines.
Never asked. I know that Robin Parker told me once some years ago that I
could buy a Parker without engine or rigging. It only came up once and I
never pursued it.

Does your new boat come with the square electronic dash instruments?
They're optional, and up to the boat manufacturer.

Demise of a TrawlerRV?
 

On Oct 10, 7:30 pm, "William Bruce" wrote:
Harry,
Is using profanity behaving like a gentleman?

"Once more, Reggie, don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions."

http://tinyurl.com/3dg

Krause, what makes you such an ass? Is it the way you were raised, or do
you have some organic brain deficit?

I think it must be a mental / emotional deficit. The illusions of
grandeur, the chronic lying, the sociopathic responses on this
newsgroup over the years, etc.

Demise of a TrawlerRV?
 

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:22:03 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
Would Tri State sell you a Parker sans engine and then put a Honda on it? I
think they started selling Hondas a couple years ago. They told me they
sold Parkers with Yamahas, but I didn't ask about the no engine scenario.

They've been selling Hondas for as long as I have been in the DC area.

I don't know whether the dealership will order a Parker sans engines.
Never asked. I know that Robin Parker told me once some years ago that I
could buy a Parker without engine or rigging. It only came up once and I
never pursued it.

Does your new boat come with the square electronic dash instruments?
They're optional, and up to the boat manufacturer.

Yes, I'm getting the digital style.


Wait til you see the manual. :}