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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Perception is hard to battle. Folks have bought into the whole four
stroke hype for two reasons - it's not a "mysterious" engine with
cutting edge technology (it's like having your car engine on the back
of your boat) and Yamaha dumped their product at low profit margins to
gain market share through what should be viewed as restraint of trade
policies with exclusive deals with manufacturers.

Four strokes have some advantages over two strokes - can't debate that
point. But pound-for-pound, dollar-for-dollar, ETEC two stroke
technology is clearly superior in all areas of performance and
eventually, they will prevail.

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)


Man, you need to cut back on that Kool-Aid!


Harry,
Didn't you have a Ficht or Mercury OptiMax? If I remember correctly you
didn't have any problems with the engine, and the only problem you were
aware of was solved by a software update. At that time, you and Tom
were singing the exact same song of the benefits of high tech 2 stroke,
vs. the negatives of the heavier, low torque Yamaha 4 stroke. You must
have posted 1000's of messages to Karen calling her an idiot, bitch and
ugly c_nt and you couldn't imagine why anyone would buy a 4 stroke.

What happened to change your mind?


How many times do you have to be told, Reggie?
Don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.

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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

Perception is hard to battle. Folks have bought into the whole four
stroke hype for two reasons - it's not a "mysterious" engine with
cutting edge technology (it's like having your car engine on the back
of your boat) and Yamaha dumped their product at low profit margins to
gain market share through what should be viewed as restraint of trade
policies with exclusive deals with manufacturers.

Four strokes have some advantages over two strokes - can't debate that
point. But pound-for-pound, dollar-for-dollar, ETEC two stroke
technology is clearly superior in all areas of performance and
eventually, they will prevail.

WE WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!

Er...

Um...

Never mind. :)


Man, you need to cut back on that Kool-Aid!


Harry,
Didn't you have a Ficht or Mercury OptiMax? If I remember correctly
you didn't have any problems with the engine, and the only problem you
were aware of was solved by a software update. At that time, you and
Tom were singing the exact same song of the benefits of high tech 2
stroke, vs. the negatives of the heavier, low torque Yamaha 4 stroke.
You must have posted 1000's of messages to Karen calling her an idiot,
bitch and ugly c_nt and you couldn't imagine why anyone would buy a 4
stroke.

What happened to change your mind?


How many times do you have to be told, Reggie?
Don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.

So what happened to change your mind?

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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:47:00 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:

Harry, do you know of any tests showing fuel consumption of the Yamaha 150?


Yamaha has pages and pages of "performance bulletins" on its engines, on
its website.

I guess I'm just plain stupid. I go to the site, click on performance
bulletins, select '4 stroke', 115hp and up, and then there are no
selections. This is the page I'm going to:

http://tinyurl.com/2atzwm


There's a flaw in the way the page works. Select "ALL" three times until
you get to the Boat Manufacturer's Name, then select the name you want.
It'll pull up all the boats of that line that were tested, and you can
see the results for the various matchups between engines and boats. At
least it works that way for me.

Drove me more nuts until I figured it out. Don't ask me why it works
that way. But it does.

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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:02:01 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:47:00 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:

Harry, do you know of any tests showing fuel consumption of the Yamaha 150?

Yamaha has pages and pages of "performance bulletins" on its engines, on
its website.
I guess I'm just plain stupid. I go to the site, click on performance
bulletins, select '4 stroke', 115hp and up, and then there are no
selections. This is the page I'm going to:

http://tinyurl.com/2atzwm

There's a flaw in the way the page works. Select "ALL" three times until
you get to the Boat Manufacturer's Name, then select the name you want.
It'll pull up all the boats of that line that were tested, and you can
see the results for the various matchups between engines and boats. At
least it works that way for me.

Drove me more nuts until I figured it out. Don't ask me why it works
that way. But it does.

Holy ****! http://tinyurl.com/yv5fo5

I've tried several times, but couldn't get it to work. Thanks.


You still can't get it to work?

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:47:00 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:

Harry, do you know of any tests showing fuel consumption of the Yamaha 150?



Yamaha has pages and pages of "performance bulletins" on its engines, on
its website.

I guess I'm just plain stupid. I go to the site, click on performance
bulletins, select '4 stroke', 115hp and up, and then there are no
selections. This is the page I'm going to:

http://tinyurl.com/2atzwm

Demise of a TrawlerRV?
 

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:34:33 -0400, HK wrote:

How many times do you have to be told, Reggie?
Don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.

Make that read "embarassing" questions.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:34:33 -0400, HK wrote:

How many times do you have to be told, Reggie?
Don't offer me advice and don't ask me questions.

Make that read "embarassing" questions.


No, Wayne, that isn't it. Sorry.

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:10:16 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Did you use a tachyon particle beam through the deflector dish to
build a force field?

All the really cool people do that. :)

On old technology boats like ours we make extensive use of tin foil
and bovine fecal matter deflectors.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:10:16 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Did you use a tachyon particle beam through the deflector dish to
build a force field?

All the really cool people do that. :)

On old technology boats like ours we make extensive use of tin foil
and bovine fecal matter deflectors.


I'm glad you have yours deflector installed on the inside of your boat,
so you don't pollute our waters any more than they are.

Hey...I'm showing 16 knot winds out of the North and North
West...wouldn't those help you get on your way South and out of the Bay?
What are you waiting for?

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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:23:05 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:02:01 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:47:00 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:

Harry, do you know of any tests showing fuel consumption of the Yamaha 150?

Yamaha has pages and pages of "performance bulletins" on its engines, on
its website.
I guess I'm just plain stupid. I go to the site, click on performance
bulletins, select '4 stroke', 115hp and up, and then there are no
selections. This is the page I'm going to:

http://tinyurl.com/2atzwm
There's a flaw in the way the page works. Select "ALL" three times until
you get to the Boat Manufacturer's Name, then select the name you want.
It'll pull up all the boats of that line that were tested, and you can
see the results for the various matchups between engines and boats. At
least it works that way for me.

Drove me more nuts until I figured it out. Don't ask me why it works
that way. But it does.
Holy ****! http://tinyurl.com/yv5fo5

I've tried several times, but couldn't get it to work. Thanks.

You still can't get it to work?

I should have said 'had tried'. Yes it works, there were a couple dozen
bulletins for Key West boats. Not an exact match, but close enough. Looks
like I should use about .5 gph trolling (3mph) and a little less than 5 gph
cruising (3500 rpm).


That's where your boat's lower weight and less vee makes a difference.
My best cruise is 3900-4000 rpm at around 26 mph, and about 6 gph.

You are going to have to fiddle a bit with your slow troll speed, in
order to find the best compromise between speed and bow steer.