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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:39:55 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:07:13 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:21:18 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:40:42 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:07:10 -0400, HK wrote:
How's your new boat, John? Have you splashed it yet? How fast can
you run it in our usual hard chop? Take much spray over the sides, or
not? When you stop fast from a plane, how much water slops over into
the cockpit when the engine well is full? Are your scuppers above
water with that heavy engine? What are you naming it? Where are you
going to keep it, assuming you are going to keep it on a trailer?
When will you be leaving the area for North Carolina? Or was it South
Carolina?
The new boat won't be here for another 4-6 weeks, as you've read in an
earlier post.
I'll be able to run it about as fast as the Proline or your Parker
without
any problem. Spray over the sides will be less than either the Proline or
the Parker. The engine weighs only 62 lbs more than the 115hp, which is
about the weight of a couple decent stripers, and the transom is
complete,
so I'm not worried about water coming into the boat. I'll probably
keep it
in my driveway, but may put it in Breezy. Haven't decided yet. It's so
easy
to trailer that I'm not too worried about just keeping it here and
trailering where ever I want to go. Haven't given much thought to the
name
yet, but Poco Loco Too may work. Any ideas?

When we move, it will probably be to NC. Not sure when, but probably next
spring. I'll keep you posted.
Thanks for the update.

I would guess your new boat would be about 7-8 mph faster than mine at
WOT, but what I was asking you was how fast it would run (comfortably)
in our usual short chop here. I doubt you will be able to maintain even
the speed I can maintain in such conditions, since your new boat weighs
a lot less, has less deadrise, and has less length. But you are welcome
to think what you will.
It sounds like you have a much better boat than JohnH, no doubt about it.
Absolutely! Hell, I went the cheap route - no $38000 boat for me!

That Parker also has a little over twice the weight and the same engine.
That in itself makes it a much better boat. As I'm not into high speeds any
time while in the bay, I don't know how fast this little bugger will go.
But, I'm sure Harry's will outperform it in every way.
Twice the weight? Your boat, sans engine, weighs less than 1450 pounds?
Really?

My guess is that your new boat will hit between 46 and 49 mph with a
reasonable load, the proper prop and flat water and wind conditions.

You didn't take a demo ride before you bought? I got a ride in a boat
with the same hull as the 2100CC before I bought.
Tri State says your boat, with the 150, is right at 4000lbs. Mine,
according to the factory folks, will be right at 1850 with the same engine.
Of course, the Tri State folks could be wrong.

Hey, 49 is plenty fast enough for me, anywhere or anytime! And, no, I
didn't go for a demo ride. I know what I want and what I want it for, so
didn't need one. Besides, our resident expert, Tom, gave me some good info
about the Key West.

According to the Parker factory, my boat weighs about 2950 pounds. You
know what the engine weighs. About 3400 pounds total, sans fuel.

Your new boat weighs 1400 pounds? That's less than I would have guessed.
Hell, my old SeaPro 18, which was a similar two piece boat with high
tech foam to stiffen the transom, weighed about 1850 pounds, sans engine.

Whoops...just checked the Key West site. The 186 model, according to the
factory, weighs 1650 pounds, sans engine. The engine's about 400 pounds.
But you were told it weighs less...interesting.

No demo ride...also interesting. Good luck.


I guess TriState was wrong in the data they gave me, and it looks like the
Key West folks were also. My boat, according to the data on the net, will
come in around 2100lbs. Sounds like a whole bunch of bull****ters out
there, Harry. In any case, your boat will weigh more, ride better, probably
go faster, and catch more fish.

I'm not saying my boat is better in any way. You win! Hell, your old Sea
Pro was even a better boat.



I suspect what tri-state told you was correct, in that the boat would
run around 4000 pounds with a full load of fuel and the usual
factory-installed options.

Note that it is you and your good buddy Reggie who is making claims
about one boat being better than another. There's no question that my
boat is heavier than yours will be. Because of its longer length,
heavier hull and deeper vee, it will ride better. In flat water, your
boat will be faster. I thought you had some sort of engineering background?

My SeaPro 18 was very similar in design and construction and weight to
your new boat. I therefore have some relevant experience with 18' center
console boats on Chesapeake Bay, on the Atlantic Ocean, and in running
some serious ocean inlets.

You've certainly not heard me disclaim your expertise in these matters. In
reading your posts, I got the impression you were, in fact, making claims
about your boat. Statements such as, "... I doubt you will be able to
maintain even the speed I can maintain ..." seemed to indicate a comparison
of sorts.

My bad.

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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:07:10 -0400, HK wrote:


How's your new boat, John? Have you splashed it yet? How fast can
you run it in our usual hard chop? Take much spray over the sides,
or not? When you stop fast from a plane, how much water slops over
into the cockpit when the engine well is full? Are your scuppers
above water with that heavy engine? What are you naming it? Where
are you going to keep it, assuming you are going to keep it on a
trailer? When will you be leaving the area for North Carolina? Or
was it South Carolina?

The new boat won't be here for another 4-6 weeks, as you've read in an
earlier post.
I'll be able to run it about as fast as the Proline or your Parker
without
any problem. Spray over the sides will be less than either the
Proline or
the Parker. The engine weighs only 62 lbs more than the 115hp, which is
about the weight of a couple decent stripers, and the transom is
complete,
so I'm not worried about water coming into the boat. I'll probably
keep it
in my driveway, but may put it in Breezy. Haven't decided yet. It's
so easy
to trailer that I'm not too worried about just keeping it here and
trailering where ever I want to go. Haven't given much thought to
the name
yet, but Poco Loco Too may work. Any ideas?

When we move, it will probably be to NC. Not sure when, but probably
next
spring. I'll keep you posted.


Thanks for the update.

I would guess your new boat would be about 7-8 mph faster than mine
at WOT, but what I was asking you was how fast it would run
(comfortably) in our usual short chop here. I doubt you will be able
to maintain even the speed I can maintain in such conditions, since
your new boat weighs a lot less, has less deadrise, and has less
length. But you are welcome to think what you will.

It sounds like you have a much better boat than JohnH, no doubt about it.


Does it really, Reggie? Is that what you think, based upon your many
years of experience with dozens of different boats? To me, it just means
two different sizes and styles of boats, with substantially different
methods of construction.

But you are welcome to think what you will.

Here's yet another of the many daily attacks from "Harry Krause",
a frequent rec.boats poster, and if you count them up, you will see how
little he adds here in boating/fishing content or interesting reading.

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:03:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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I don't know of any reason to keep those fish you intend to eat
at
the
end of a day's trip in the livewell.

Because 1/2 a day equals 12 hours. If you're out fishing that
long
and
bluefish are the reward, you keep them half a day fresher. Ice is
fine,
but live is better. Your mileage may vary. Matter of fact, it
WILL
v

1/2 day does not equal 12 hours when fishing. 1/2 day boats in
San
Diego
do about 6 hours and the 3/4 day boats that go to the Coronados in
MX
leave at 6am and return at about 6 pm.

When I say 1/2 day, it means 12 hours. I don't care what a bunch of
California pansies use as the definition.

When you go for a day fishing, do you spend 24 hours out in the lake?

Oddly enough, I have done it.

So have I but, is known as an overnight boat or trip.


If someone tells you they'll stop by in "about 1/2 hour" and they
arrive
in 20 minutes, do you have convulsions?


No, but wife's do.


I'm heading out for 5/24ths of a day of fishing. There's a particular spot
on Lake Ontario where unconscious smallmouth have been seen. The NY DEC
has
determined that overcrowding is the problem. They recorded a series of odd
coconut sounds underwater. It was the fish's heads colliding. I have to do
something about their numbers.


If you can't catch your fill in five hours, you're wasting your time.

As it turned out, that was the case. Everyone at the boat launch were asking
"WTF is going on here today?" Absolutely nothing was biting, not even the
usual annoyances like sunfish. We tried worms, crayfish, minnows, 23
different colors of plastic creatures, 10 sizes & shapes of Rapalas,
Dardevils, Mepps....you name it. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The fishfinder
had a ball though. At one point, we were on top of a school of perch that
filled the screen for 30 minutes. But no.....they were too busy to even tap
the hook.

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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:33:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

As it turned out, that was the case. Everyone at the boat launch were asking
"WTF is going on here today?" Absolutely nothing was biting, not even the
usual annoyances like sunfish. We tried worms, crayfish, minnows, 23
different colors of plastic creatures, 10 sizes & shapes of Rapalas,
Dardevils, Mepps....you name it. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The fishfinder
had a ball though. At one point, we were on top of a school of perch that
filled the screen for 30 minutes. But no.....they were too busy to even tap
the hook.

Amateurs.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:33:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

As it turned out, that was the case. Everyone at the boat launch were
asking
"WTF is going on here today?" Absolutely nothing was biting, not even the
usual annoyances like sunfish. We tried worms, crayfish, minnows, 23
different colors of plastic creatures, 10 sizes & shapes of Rapalas,
Dardevils, Mepps....you name it. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The
fishfinder
had a ball though. At one point, we were on top of a school of perch that
filled the screen for 30 minutes. But no.....they were too busy to even
tap
the hook.

Amateurs.

Perhaps. I forgot to bring the one thing that always works here, I think
because the fish consider it exotic: Squid.

Seriously. They love calamari.

But, I digress. What would you have tried, o great one?

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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:42:34 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:33:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

As it turned out, that was the case. Everyone at the boat launch were
asking
"WTF is going on here today?" Absolutely nothing was biting, not even the
usual annoyances like sunfish. We tried worms, crayfish, minnows, 23
different colors of plastic creatures, 10 sizes & shapes of Rapalas,
Dardevils, Mepps....you name it. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The
fishfinder
had a ball though. At one point, we were on top of a school of perch that
filled the screen for 30 minutes. But no.....they were too busy to even
tap
the hook.

Amateurs.

Perhaps. I forgot to bring the one thing that always works here, I think
because the fish consider it exotic: Squid.

Seriously. They love calamari.

But, I digress. What would you have tried, o great one?

Calamari. :)

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:42:34 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:33:33 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

As it turned out, that was the case. Everyone at the boat launch were
asking
"WTF is going on here today?" Absolutely nothing was biting, not even
the
usual annoyances like sunfish. We tried worms, crayfish, minnows, 23
different colors of plastic creatures, 10 sizes & shapes of Rapalas,
Dardevils, Mepps....you name it. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The
fishfinder
had a ball though. At one point, we were on top of a school of perch
that
filled the screen for 30 minutes. But no.....they were too busy to even
tap
the hook.

Amateurs.

Perhaps. I forgot to bring the one thing that always works here, I think
because the fish consider it exotic: Squid.

Seriously. They love calamari.

But, I digress. What would you have tried, o great one?

Calamari. :)


It's on the shopping list, yet again.