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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:40:42 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:07:10 -0400, HK wrote:


How's your new boat, John? Have you splashed it yet? How fast can
you run it in our usual hard chop? Take much spray over the sides, or
not? When you stop fast from a plane, how much water slops over into
the cockpit when the engine well is full? Are your scuppers above
water with that heavy engine? What are you naming it? Where are you
going to keep it, assuming you are going to keep it on a trailer?
When will you be leaving the area for North Carolina? Or was it South
Carolina?

The new boat won't be here for another 4-6 weeks, as you've read in an
earlier post.
I'll be able to run it about as fast as the Proline or your Parker
without
any problem. Spray over the sides will be less than either the Proline or
the Parker. The engine weighs only 62 lbs more than the 115hp, which is
about the weight of a couple decent stripers, and the transom is
complete,
so I'm not worried about water coming into the boat. I'll probably
keep it
in my driveway, but may put it in Breezy. Haven't decided yet. It's so
easy
to trailer that I'm not too worried about just keeping it here and
trailering where ever I want to go. Haven't given much thought to the
name
yet, but Poco Loco Too may work. Any ideas?

When we move, it will probably be to NC. Not sure when, but probably next
spring. I'll keep you posted.


Thanks for the update.

I would guess your new boat would be about 7-8 mph faster than mine at
WOT, but what I was asking you was how fast it would run (comfortably)
in our usual short chop here. I doubt you will be able to maintain even
the speed I can maintain in such conditions, since your new boat weighs
a lot less, has less deadrise, and has less length. But you are welcome
to think what you will.

It sounds like you have a much better boat than JohnH, no doubt about it.

Absolutely! Hell, I went the cheap route - no $38000 boat for me!

That Parker also has a little over twice the weight and the same engine.
That in itself makes it a much better boat. As I'm not into high speeds any
time while in the bay, I don't know how fast this little bugger will go.
But, I'm sure Harry's will outperform it in every way.

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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:49:04 -0400, HK wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:07:10 -0400, HK wrote:


How's your new boat, John? Have you splashed it yet? How fast can
you run it in our usual hard chop? Take much spray over the sides,
or not? When you stop fast from a plane, how much water slops over
into the cockpit when the engine well is full? Are your scuppers
above water with that heavy engine? What are you naming it? Where
are you going to keep it, assuming you are going to keep it on a
trailer? When will you be leaving the area for North Carolina? Or
was it South Carolina?

The new boat won't be here for another 4-6 weeks, as you've read in an
earlier post.
I'll be able to run it about as fast as the Proline or your Parker
without
any problem. Spray over the sides will be less than either the
Proline or
the Parker. The engine weighs only 62 lbs more than the 115hp, which is
about the weight of a couple decent stripers, and the transom is
complete,
so I'm not worried about water coming into the boat. I'll probably
keep it
in my driveway, but may put it in Breezy. Haven't decided yet. It's
so easy
to trailer that I'm not too worried about just keeping it here and
trailering where ever I want to go. Haven't given much thought to the
name
yet, but Poco Loco Too may work. Any ideas?

When we move, it will probably be to NC. Not sure when, but probably
next
spring. I'll keep you posted.


Thanks for the update.

I would guess your new boat would be about 7-8 mph faster than mine at
WOT, but what I was asking you was how fast it would run (comfortably)
in our usual short chop here. I doubt you will be able to maintain
even the speed I can maintain in such conditions, since your new boat
weighs a lot less, has less deadrise, and has less length. But you are
welcome to think what you will.

It sounds like you have a much better boat than JohnH, no doubt about it.


Does it really, Reggie? Is that what you think, based upon your many
years of experience with dozens of different boats? To me, it just means
two different sizes and styles of boats, with substantially different
methods of construction.

But you are welcome to think what you will.

Harry, what are the substantial differences in the method of construction?

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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:21:18 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:40:42 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:07:10 -0400, HK wrote:
How's your new boat, John? Have you splashed it yet? How fast can
you run it in our usual hard chop? Take much spray over the sides, or
not? When you stop fast from a plane, how much water slops over into
the cockpit when the engine well is full? Are your scuppers above
water with that heavy engine? What are you naming it? Where are you
going to keep it, assuming you are going to keep it on a trailer?
When will you be leaving the area for North Carolina? Or was it South
Carolina?
The new boat won't be here for another 4-6 weeks, as you've read in an
earlier post.
I'll be able to run it about as fast as the Proline or your Parker
without
any problem. Spray over the sides will be less than either the Proline or
the Parker. The engine weighs only 62 lbs more than the 115hp, which is
about the weight of a couple decent stripers, and the transom is
complete,
so I'm not worried about water coming into the boat. I'll probably
keep it
in my driveway, but may put it in Breezy. Haven't decided yet. It's so
easy
to trailer that I'm not too worried about just keeping it here and
trailering where ever I want to go. Haven't given much thought to the
name
yet, but Poco Loco Too may work. Any ideas?

When we move, it will probably be to NC. Not sure when, but probably next
spring. I'll keep you posted.
Thanks for the update.

I would guess your new boat would be about 7-8 mph faster than mine at
WOT, but what I was asking you was how fast it would run (comfortably)
in our usual short chop here. I doubt you will be able to maintain even
the speed I can maintain in such conditions, since your new boat weighs
a lot less, has less deadrise, and has less length. But you are welcome
to think what you will.
It sounds like you have a much better boat than JohnH, no doubt about it.
Absolutely! Hell, I went the cheap route - no $38000 boat for me!

That Parker also has a little over twice the weight and the same engine.
That in itself makes it a much better boat. As I'm not into high speeds any
time while in the bay, I don't know how fast this little bugger will go.
But, I'm sure Harry's will outperform it in every way.

Twice the weight? Your boat, sans engine, weighs less than 1450 pounds?
Really?

My guess is that your new boat will hit between 46 and 49 mph with a
reasonable load, the proper prop and flat water and wind conditions.

You didn't take a demo ride before you bought? I got a ride in a boat
with the same hull as the 2100CC before I bought.

Tri State says your boat, with the 150, is right at 4000lbs. Mine,
according to the factory folks, will be right at 1850 with the same engine.
Of course, the Tri State folks could be wrong.

Hey, 49 is plenty fast enough for me, anywhere or anytime! And, no, I
didn't go for a demo ride. I know what I want and what I want it for, so
didn't need one. Besides, our resident expert, Tom, gave me some good info
about the Key West.


According to the Parker factory, my boat weighs about 2950 pounds. You
know what the engine weighs. About 3400 pounds total, sans fuel.

Your new boat weighs 1400 pounds? That's less than I would have guessed.
Hell, my old SeaPro 18, which was a similar two piece boat with high
tech foam to stiffen the transom, weighed about 1850 pounds, sans engine.

Whoops...just checked the Key West site. The 186 model, according to the
factory, weighs 1650 pounds, sans engine. The engine's about 400 pounds.
But you were told it weighs less...interesting.

No demo ride...also interesting. Good luck.

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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:26:40 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:49:04 -0400, HK wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:07:10 -0400, HK wrote:
How's your new boat, John? Have you splashed it yet? How fast can
you run it in our usual hard chop? Take much spray over the sides,
or not? When you stop fast from a plane, how much water slops over
into the cockpit when the engine well is full? Are your scuppers
above water with that heavy engine? What are you naming it? Where
are you going to keep it, assuming you are going to keep it on a
trailer? When will you be leaving the area for North Carolina? Or
was it South Carolina?
The new boat won't be here for another 4-6 weeks, as you've read in an
earlier post.
I'll be able to run it about as fast as the Proline or your Parker
without
any problem. Spray over the sides will be less than either the
Proline or
the Parker. The engine weighs only 62 lbs more than the 115hp, which is
about the weight of a couple decent stripers, and the transom is
complete,
so I'm not worried about water coming into the boat. I'll probably
keep it
in my driveway, but may put it in Breezy. Haven't decided yet. It's
so easy
to trailer that I'm not too worried about just keeping it here and
trailering where ever I want to go. Haven't given much thought to the
name
yet, but Poco Loco Too may work. Any ideas?

When we move, it will probably be to NC. Not sure when, but probably
next
spring. I'll keep you posted.
Thanks for the update.

I would guess your new boat would be about 7-8 mph faster than mine at
WOT, but what I was asking you was how fast it would run (comfortably)
in our usual short chop here. I doubt you will be able to maintain
even the speed I can maintain in such conditions, since your new boat
weighs a lot less, has less deadrise, and has less length. But you are
welcome to think what you will.
It sounds like you have a much better boat than JohnH, no doubt about it.
Does it really, Reggie? Is that what you think, based upon your many
years of experience with dozens of different boats? To me, it just means
two different sizes and styles of boats, with substantially different
methods of construction.

But you are welcome to think what you will.
Harry, what are the substantial differences in the method of construction?

Get a "plug" from the factory that is representative of the bottom and
hullsides of your new boat.

Haven't you already checked it out?


No, John, I have never seen a plug taken from the bottom or hullside of
a Key West boat. I don't recall ever seeing a Key West boat in person.
Who is the dealer around here?

But I do have some Parker plugs.

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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:42:15 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:05:49 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:07:10 -0400, HK wrote:
How's your new boat, John? Have you splashed it yet? How fast can
you run it in our usual hard chop? Take much spray over the sides,
or not? When you stop fast from a plane, how much water slops over
into the cockpit when the engine well is full? Are your scuppers
above water with that heavy engine? What are you naming it? Where
are you going to keep it, assuming you are going to keep it on a
trailer? When will you be leaving the area for North Carolina? Or
was it South Carolina?
The new boat won't be here for another 4-6 weeks, as you've read in an
earlier post.
I'll be able to run it about as fast as the Proline or your Parker
without
any problem. Spray over the sides will be less than either the
Proline or
the Parker. The engine weighs only 62 lbs more than the 115hp, which is
about the weight of a couple decent stripers, and the transom is
complete,
so I'm not worried about water coming into the boat. I'll probably
keep it
in my driveway, but may put it in Breezy. Haven't decided yet. It's
so easy
to trailer that I'm not too worried about just keeping it here and
trailering where ever I want to go. Haven't given much thought to
the name
yet, but Poco Loco Too may work. Any ideas?

When we move, it will probably be to NC. Not sure when, but probably
next
spring. I'll keep you posted.

Thanks for the update.

I would guess your new boat would be about 7-8 mph faster than mine
at WOT, but what I was asking you was how fast it would run
(comfortably) in our usual short chop here. I doubt you will be able
to maintain even the speed I can maintain in such conditions, since
your new boat weighs a lot less, has less deadrise, and has less
length. But you are welcome to think what you will.

Thanks.
Two of my Sea Pros had transoms similar to what is on your boat. I
can assure you, you will see water coming in over the transom and in
rough enough conditions, pouring out over the motor well and onto the
deck.

Well, much of that is due to operator error. I try not to let the boat
get
too full of water.

:} Report back when you have run a few interesting inlets.

JohnH,
I am not familiar with Deale or the part of CB you boat, do you have
many inlets up that way? ;)

The area around the bay is, for the most part, very flat. So, we don't have
the inlets which may be found in Maine or an area with hilly terrain. There
are several rivers which dump into the bay that are within an hour or two
of Deale, but the mouths of these cause nary a ripple in the bay waters.
Most of the rivers are quite shallow, as is most of the bay. By shallow I
mean less than 30'.

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:12:02 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:22:17 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


Herring not shad. At least no American Shad.

I thought we were discussing blue back herring?

Blue crabs, crabby herring, good salmon bait.

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:49:57 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:48:08 -0400, HK wrote:

Mike at BP is contemplating having a TV service mount a professional
camera and weather instruments on the roof of his main building. If he
does, you'll be able to see water conditions from your house.
I just call the folks at Tylers. They've always been spot on about the
water conditions off Chesapeake Beach.

Tylers has no clear view of the Bay. Do they dispatch someone over to
the little memorial park to peer over the bushes?

They can walk up to the flag and get a great view. Or, they can just look
at the flag. I've never known them to be wrong. Of course they may get
their info from folks who've actually been on the water that day and just
pass it on. Try 'em, you just might like 'em.


I shop sometimes at Tylers. I used to buy minnows there before I got my
minnow traps set up. Also, if you need a fishing rod repaired, Tylers
has someone who picks them up and returns them fixed in under two weeks.
Or at least they did that for me.

The weather station Mike at BP wants to put up will show a bit more than
a flag waving.

Oh, I'm sure. But the folks at Tylers can tell if there are 3 footers in
the bay. That's enough for me to know it's not going to be comfortable.

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:21:18 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:40:42 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:07:10 -0400, HK wrote:
How's your new boat, John? Have you splashed it yet? How fast can
you run it in our usual hard chop? Take much spray over the sides, or
not? When you stop fast from a plane, how much water slops over into
the cockpit when the engine well is full? Are your scuppers above
water with that heavy engine? What are you naming it? Where are you
going to keep it, assuming you are going to keep it on a trailer?
When will you be leaving the area for North Carolina? Or was it South
Carolina?
The new boat won't be here for another 4-6 weeks, as you've read in an
earlier post.
I'll be able to run it about as fast as the Proline or your Parker
without
any problem. Spray over the sides will be less than either the Proline or
the Parker. The engine weighs only 62 lbs more than the 115hp, which is
about the weight of a couple decent stripers, and the transom is
complete,
so I'm not worried about water coming into the boat. I'll probably
keep it
in my driveway, but may put it in Breezy. Haven't decided yet. It's so
easy
to trailer that I'm not too worried about just keeping it here and
trailering where ever I want to go. Haven't given much thought to the
name
yet, but Poco Loco Too may work. Any ideas?

When we move, it will probably be to NC. Not sure when, but probably next
spring. I'll keep you posted.

Thanks for the update.

I would guess your new boat would be about 7-8 mph faster than mine at
WOT, but what I was asking you was how fast it would run (comfortably)
in our usual short chop here. I doubt you will be able to maintain even
the speed I can maintain in such conditions, since your new boat weighs
a lot less, has less deadrise, and has less length. But you are welcome
to think what you will.
It sounds like you have a much better boat than JohnH, no doubt about it.

Absolutely! Hell, I went the cheap route - no $38000 boat for me!

That Parker also has a little over twice the weight and the same engine.
That in itself makes it a much better boat. As I'm not into high speeds any
time while in the bay, I don't know how fast this little bugger will go.
But, I'm sure Harry's will outperform it in every way.


Twice the weight? Your boat, sans engine, weighs less than 1450 pounds?
Really?

My guess is that your new boat will hit between 46 and 49 mph with a
reasonable load, the proper prop and flat water and wind conditions.

You didn't take a demo ride before you bought? I got a ride in a boat
with the same hull as the 2100CC before I bought.

Tri State says your boat, with the 150, is right at 4000lbs. Mine,
according to the factory folks, will be right at 1850 with the same engine.
Of course, the Tri State folks could be wrong.

Hey, 49 is plenty fast enough for me, anywhere or anytime! And, no, I
didn't go for a demo ride. I know what I want and what I want it for, so
didn't need one. Besides, our resident expert, Tom, gave me some good info
about the Key West.

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:26:40 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:49:04 -0400, HK wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:07:10 -0400, HK wrote:
How's your new boat, John? Have you splashed it yet? How fast can
you run it in our usual hard chop? Take much spray over the sides,
or not? When you stop fast from a plane, how much water slops over
into the cockpit when the engine well is full? Are your scuppers
above water with that heavy engine? What are you naming it? Where
are you going to keep it, assuming you are going to keep it on a
trailer? When will you be leaving the area for North Carolina? Or
was it South Carolina?
The new boat won't be here for another 4-6 weeks, as you've read in an
earlier post.
I'll be able to run it about as fast as the Proline or your Parker
without
any problem. Spray over the sides will be less than either the
Proline or
the Parker. The engine weighs only 62 lbs more than the 115hp, which is
about the weight of a couple decent stripers, and the transom is
complete,
so I'm not worried about water coming into the boat. I'll probably
keep it
in my driveway, but may put it in Breezy. Haven't decided yet. It's
so easy
to trailer that I'm not too worried about just keeping it here and
trailering where ever I want to go. Haven't given much thought to the
name
yet, but Poco Loco Too may work. Any ideas?

When we move, it will probably be to NC. Not sure when, but probably
next
spring. I'll keep you posted.

Thanks for the update.

I would guess your new boat would be about 7-8 mph faster than mine at
WOT, but what I was asking you was how fast it would run (comfortably)
in our usual short chop here. I doubt you will be able to maintain
even the speed I can maintain in such conditions, since your new boat
weighs a lot less, has less deadrise, and has less length. But you are
welcome to think what you will.
It sounds like you have a much better boat than JohnH, no doubt about it.

Does it really, Reggie? Is that what you think, based upon your many
years of experience with dozens of different boats? To me, it just means
two different sizes and styles of boats, with substantially different
methods of construction.

But you are welcome to think what you will.

Harry, what are the substantial differences in the method of construction?


Get a "plug" from the factory that is representative of the bottom and
hullsides of your new boat.

Haven't you already checked it out?

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:14:10 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:42:15 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:05:49 -0400, HK wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:07:10 -0400, HK wrote:
How's your new boat, John? Have you splashed it yet? How fast can
you run it in our usual hard chop? Take much spray over the sides,
or not? When you stop fast from a plane, how much water slops over
into the cockpit when the engine well is full? Are your scuppers
above water with that heavy engine? What are you naming it? Where
are you going to keep it, assuming you are going to keep it on a
trailer? When will you be leaving the area for North Carolina? Or
was it South Carolina?
The new boat won't be here for another 4-6 weeks, as you've read in an
earlier post.
I'll be able to run it about as fast as the Proline or your Parker
without
any problem. Spray over the sides will be less than either the
Proline or
the Parker. The engine weighs only 62 lbs more than the 115hp, which is
about the weight of a couple decent stripers, and the transom is
complete,
so I'm not worried about water coming into the boat. I'll probably
keep it
in my driveway, but may put it in Breezy. Haven't decided yet. It's
so easy
to trailer that I'm not too worried about just keeping it here and
trailering where ever I want to go. Haven't given much thought to
the name
yet, but Poco Loco Too may work. Any ideas?

When we move, it will probably be to NC. Not sure when, but probably
next
spring. I'll keep you posted.
Thanks for the update.

I would guess your new boat would be about 7-8 mph faster than mine
at WOT, but what I was asking you was how fast it would run
(comfortably) in our usual short chop here. I doubt you will be able
to maintain even the speed I can maintain in such conditions, since
your new boat weighs a lot less, has less deadrise, and has less
length. But you are welcome to think what you will.
Thanks.
Two of my Sea Pros had transoms similar to what is on your boat. I
can assure you, you will see water coming in over the transom and in
rough enough conditions, pouring out over the motor well and onto the
deck.

Well, much of that is due to operator error. I try not to let the boat
get
too full of water.
:} Report back when you have run a few interesting inlets.
JohnH,
I am not familiar with Deale or the part of CB you boat, do you have
many inlets up that way? ;)

The area around the bay is, for the most part, very flat. So, we don't have
the inlets which may be found in Maine or an area with hilly terrain. There
are several rivers which dump into the bay that are within an hour or two
of Deale, but the mouths of these cause nary a ripple in the bay waters.
Most of the rivers are quite shallow, as is most of the bay. By shallow I
mean less than 30'.

Well, I guess you don't have to worry about running any "interesting
inlets" either on the CB or your new inland lake.

No, but I may take it to Nags Head, NC, on occasion and try Oregon Inlet.
Also, I may take it to the Chesapeake Bay Bridge/Tunnel area north of
Virginia Beach and do some fishing there. I've a couple friends very
familiar with the area, but boatless. They'd love to show me the ropes down
there!