wrote in message

Then do it again - and again - making sure they win every single battle
and
still loose the war.

Good luck

I take it that you're not the type to "fight city hall" or " throw tea in
the water" iether???

(Just grow a pair, and use them as Squeak Toys)

Apparently, I'm not the one that's missing a pair. So you would allow
your girlfriend to accept 100% of the risk for YOUR 100% benefit?


I'm *assuming* that since they're together for a while now, that they might
even have a common purpose. And as far as I see it, she's only at the *risk*
of listening to some ****ant weenie scream. Personally, I find that to be a
joyous sound.... EG

-W

"Clams Canino" wrote:
I take it that you're not the type to "fight city hall" or " throw tea in
the water" iether???

You would be very wrong.
I just wouldn't ask my girlfriend to fight for me.

I'm *assuming* that since they're together for a while now, that they might
even have a common purpose.

They might. And he might be willing to shoulder the entire financial
risk, which could be substantial. But I didn't see any offer of that.

And as far as I see it, she's only at the *risk*
of listening to some ****ant weenie scream.

Generally, covenants are written to give the HOA teeth for
enforcement. They won't need to scream. Her risk could mean anything
from a slap on the wrist type fine to legal fees and a court fight (a
court in which she would be on her own since her boyfriend would have
no standing there either) that she may win or lose. But even if she
wins, she loses. Those things cost time and money.
Point being, some battle are worth fighting and some aren't.

I'll say it again. I wouldn't put a girlfriend at risk for me like
that.

If you would, fine.

But the OP was just asking for opinions and I think he has enough now
to consider. I'm sure he can sort it out.

Rick ------ on to the next thread

Clams Canino wrote:
wrote in message

Then do it again - and again - making sure they win every single battle
and
still loose the war.
Good luck

I take it that you're not the type to "fight city hall" or " throw tea in
the water" iether???

(Just grow a pair, and use them as Squeak Toys)
Apparently, I'm not the one that's missing a pair. So you would allow
your girlfriend to accept 100% of the risk for YOUR 100% benefit?


I'm *assuming* that since they're together for a while now, that they might
even have a common purpose. And as far as I see it, she's only at the *risk*
of listening to some ****ant weenie scream. Personally, I find that to be a
joyous sound.... EG

-W


Normally HOA can use legally use "fines" for repeat violation of rules.
The fines can either be enforced by a visit to small claims or just by
placing a lein on the property.

"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote:
or just by
placing a lein on the property.

aarrgghh!! ... Gawd I hate it when they do that.

gfretwell wrote:
You end up spending more money trying
to collect the fine than you get. In my condo we ended up being sued
by the bank who held the mortgage to stop us from trying to get a
taste of the scraps left on the table when the units went over.

Yep. So everybody loses (except the boyfriend who by now has a new
girlfriend with waterfront property, a boathouse, and a lift).
But the "rules" were enforced and that's what the neighbors paid for
and expect from an HOA when they invested in their property.

I still think a Yacht Club is Bob's best option. Otherwise, a storage
facility designed more for boats than what he has now. There's bound
to be something around somewhere that'll work.

Rick

wrote:
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:16:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Normally HOA can use legally use "fines" for repeat violation of rules.
The fines can either be enforced by a visit to small claims or just by
placing a lein on the property.

From my experience as past president of two HOAs that is really not
particularly effective against your typical "worst offenders".
They ignore the judgements and the real deadbeats are usually upside
down on their mortgage anyway. You end up spending more money trying
to collect the fine than you get. In my condo we ended up being sued
by the bank who held the mortgage to stop us from trying to get a
taste of the scraps left on the table when the units went over.

Don't know if the problem is with your state laws, or your management
company, or your BOD's, but in my state when you take someone to court
for past due fees or judgments the person is responsible for not only
all past due fees, 10% late fee charges, all fines, but ALL attorney
fees. Normally the attorney fees jump up to %5,000 very quickly. Our
attorney has a 100% success ratio with collecting the fees, extremely
quickly. In our state the Condo HOA can actually institute foreclosure
proceedings for past due fees, which always resolves the problem, but
the homeowner is still responsible for attorney fees. Our attorney
works on retainer, doesn't charge us anything to handle any collection.

Now if your condo has a high percent of people who are upside down in
their mortgage, it is time to sell and move.