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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:54:28 -0400, "JimH" ask penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

We have a HOA in our development. The Association officers are responsible
for contracting out the care and upkeep of the main entrance to the
development (landscaping and sidewalk snow removal) as well as enforcing
Association bylaws. They also review and approve fence and shed
installations. Annual cost to each homeowner is $80.


That is pretty cheap compared to most HOAs.

Folks purchasing houses in the developement are told up front of the
Association and are given a copy of the bylaws.


My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and
sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase.


The covenants come with the land. There is no option to dissent from the
covenants.

I don't mind it. It helps ensure we don't get junk cars and trailers parked
in driveways and eventually adds to the worth of my house.


I don't have any of that, now, and I can park my boat in the driveway
and work on it whenever and as long as I want.....

BTW: I can work on or store my boat on the trailer in my driveway for 2
full weeks/year, which is reasonable.


.....which is convenient because if I couldn't, I'd be spending
another $75-$350+/month to slip the boat. That makes that $80 look
like $155-$430+ to me!

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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:29:23 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:15:03 +0000 (UTC),
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Yes, this post is on-topic. I just have to vent...thanks for
listening.

I live in an apartment and store my 17' v-hull I/O runabout boat in a
storage facility. Whenever I need to work on it, I go get the boat and
bring it to her house for a day or two and work on it there...nothing
major -- just routine stuff like winterizing, tuneups, and other minor
repairs or modifications...it's not like I'm leaving a junky boat half
torn apart in her driveway.

All has been well with this situation for the past 3 years or so until
now. A rep of the homeowner's association which regulates the
neighborhood my girlfriend lives in called her today saying that the
association regulations prohibit working on boats and that boats could
be loaded or unloaded only on your property.

Where does one practically work on their boat if they cannot work on it
at their house? I cannot afford to have someone do every little thing
to my boat when it needs something done to it. Sure, I could probably
get away with doing small things to it, but what about the other things
like winterizing or getting it ready to go in the Spring? The way I
see it, I am screwed and don't have much choice but to get rid of the
boat. What a depressing thought that is, especially since it is a boat
that has been in my family for 35 years, is running better than it ever
has, not to mention how much enjoyment we get from it.



The short answer is screw them. If you really don't care and the boat
is not there longer than it takes for them to bring legal action there
is really not much they can do.
Certainly they can be mad at you but it is really pretty hard to
enforce rules that are only broken for a day at a time, fairly
infrequently. Basically it is pretty hard for them to hit a moving
target.
This is from the former president of TWO HOAs
I had people just tell me to go screw myself and there really wasn't
much I could do about it. You can always jump through the hoops to get
a lien on the property to try to enforce the fines but that only
affects people who plan on selling soon and who actually have some
equity in the property. If they walk away from the house (which will
be happening about 8 million times in the next year) they walk away
from your "fine" too. My condo association got in line at bankruptsy
court on 5 uinits that were in arrears on fines and fees ... we didn't
walk away with a dime.


I should have read this before my response, Bob. I basically agree with
everything he says.

Take 15 minutes and read the association rules.
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John H
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:15:03 +0000 (UTC),
(Bob)
wrote:

Yes, this post is on-topic. I just have to vent...thanks for
listening.

I live in an apartment and store my 17' v-hull I/O runabout boat in a
storage facility. Whenever I need to work on it, I go get the boat and
bring it to her house for a day or two and work on it there...nothing
major -- just routine stuff like winterizing, tuneups, and other minor
repairs or modifications...it's not like I'm leaving a junky boat half
torn apart in her driveway.

All has been well with this situation for the past 3 years or so until
now. A rep of the homeowner's association which regulates the
neighborhood my girlfriend lives in called her today saying that the
association regulations prohibit working on boats and that boats could
be loaded or unloaded only on your property.

Where does one practically work on their boat if they cannot work on it
at their house? I cannot afford to have someone do every little thing
to my boat when it needs something done to it. Sure, I could probably
get away with doing small things to it, but what about the other things
like winterizing or getting it ready to go in the Spring? The way I
see it, I am screwed and don't have much choice but to get rid of the
boat. What a depressing thought that is, especially since it is a boat
that has been in my family for 35 years, is running better than it ever
has, not to mention how much enjoyment we get from it.



The short answer is screw them. If you really don't care and the boat
is not there longer than it takes for them to bring legal action there
is really not much they can do.
Certainly they can be mad at you but it is really pretty hard to
enforce rules that are only broken for a day at a time, fairly
infrequently. Basically it is pretty hard for them to hit a moving
target.
This is from the former president of TWO HOAs
I had people just tell me to go screw myself and there really wasn't
much I could do about it. You can always jump through the hoops to get
a lien on the property to try to enforce the fines but that only
affects people who plan on selling soon and who actually have some
equity in the property. If they walk away from the house (which will
be happening about 8 million times in the next year) they walk away
from your "fine" too. My condo association got in line at bankruptsy
court on 5 uinits that were in arrears on fines and fees ... we didn't
walk away with a dime.


Most HOA's don't want to sue, they just attach a lien to your property
to fix the items that are out of compliance. My HOA doesn't have enough
money in the reserve fund to start or sustain a legal action.

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