On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:15:03 +0000 (UTC), Bob penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


Yes, this post is on-topic. I just have to vent...thanks for
listening.

I live in an apartment and store my 17' v-hull I/O runabout boat in a
storage facility. Whenever I need to work on it, I go get the boat and
bring it to her house for a day or two and work on it there...nothing
major -- just routine stuff like winterizing, tuneups, and other minor
repairs or modifications...it's not like I'm leaving a junky boat half
torn apart in her driveway.

All has been well with this situation for the past 3 years or so until
now. A rep of the homeowner's association which regulates the
neighborhood my girlfriend lives in called her today saying that the
association regulations prohibit working on boats and that boats could
be loaded or unloaded only on your property.

Where does one practically work on their boat if they cannot work on it
at their house? I cannot afford to have someone do every little thing
to my boat when it needs something done to it. Sure, I could probably
get away with doing small things to it, but what about the other things
like winterizing or getting it ready to go in the Spring? The way I
see it, I am screwed and don't have much choice but to get rid of the
boat. What a depressing thought that is, especially since it is a boat
that has been in my family for 35 years, is running better than it ever
has, not to mention how much enjoyment we get from it.


I will never understand why anybody would willing sign a document
binding themselves and (potentially) their heirs to an "association"
which promises all of the restrictions of (yet another layer of)
government, but with none of the expected protections. The typical
level of intrusion into one's personal life and behavior is, IMHO,
absolutely unacceptable!

Do you really want to live your life according to a code of behavior
that a bunch of busybodies will coercively force on you?
.......especially, when *you* didn't sign the document to begin with?

Buy your own nonrestricted homestead, then you can store and work on
your property as *you* see fit. Invite the GF over to *your*
place.....

PS
You will discover many other benefits and freedoms, as well. You'll be
able to leave the toilet seat up, too, if you want to .....

--

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I will never understand why anybody would willing sign a document
binding themselves and (potentially) their heirs to an "association"
which promises all of the restrictions of (yet another layer of)
government, but with none of the expected protections. The typical
level of intrusion into one's personal life and behavior is, IMHO,
absolutely unacceptable!

Do you really want to live your life according to a code of behavior
that a bunch of busybodies will coercively force on you?
......especially, when *you* didn't sign the document to begin with?

Buy your own nonrestricted homestead, then you can store and work on
your property as *you* see fit. Invite the GF over to *your*
place.....

PS
You will discover many other benefits and freedoms, as well. You'll be
able to leave the toilet seat up, too, if you want to .....


Homeowners Associations are a popular developers/local government scam
in Kalifornia and other areas. Basically, the building density can be
much higher (more units per acre) and the HOA is responsible for road
and drainage maintenance, code enforcement, etc, instead of the town
or city. It is a very convenient way for the town/city to absolve
themselves for responsibility to maintain the roads, the sewer and
drain pipes, and do code enforcement. A very scummy arrangement that
is good for the developers and the towns/cities, but really bad for
the residents.

Your suggestion to buy somewhere that doesn't have an HOA sounds
really good, except that most people don't have the money to buy the
kind of home they would REALLY like. In other words, not everyone is
rich, or lives in an area that the housing cost are reasonable
compared to wages. For us working folks, HOAs can be a necessary evil,
if we want to buy SOME kind of home.

It must be nice to have lots of $$.
It is unfortunate that for many, it really warps their comprehension
of the reality of life for for regular working folks.

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:02:26 -0700, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Your suggestion to buy somewhere that doesn't have an HOA sounds
really good, except that most people don't have the money to buy the
kind of home they would REALLY like. In other words, not everyone is
rich, or lives in an area that the housing cost are reasonable
compared to wages. For us working folks, HOAs can be a necessary evil,
if we want to buy SOME kind of home.

It must be nice to have lots of $$.
It is unfortunate that for many, it really warps their comprehension
of the reality of life for for regular working folks.


That is odd!

Here in NC, it is the high end neighborhoods where HOAs are all the
rage. Many HOAs seem to exist, in part, to enforce rules where it
gives the illusion that no one in the neighborhood must either work
for a living or do any personal manual labor (winterize the boat, for
example).

Most covenants are written such that you can keep a boat on the
property if it is housed within a garage..... and many covenants
prohibit an unattached garage. So.... you can have your boat if you
can afford a house/garage big enough to house both.

Go figure.......

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:02:26 -0700, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Your suggestion to buy somewhere that doesn't have an HOA sounds
really good, except that most people don't have the money to buy the
kind of home they would REALLY like. In other words, not everyone is
rich, or lives in an area that the housing cost are reasonable
compared to wages. For us working folks, HOAs can be a necessary evil,
if we want to buy SOME kind of home.

It must be nice to have lots of $$.
It is unfortunate that for many, it really warps their comprehension
of the reality of life for for regular working folks.


That is odd!

Here in NC, it is the high end neighborhoods where HOAs are all the
rage. Many HOAs seem to exist, in part, to enforce rules where it
gives the illusion that no one in the neighborhood must either work
for a living or do any personal manual labor (winterize the boat, for
example).

Its all about keeping you from putting that single wide in the backyard
for mama and making sure that you don't have that old Chevy up on blocks
in the front yard fro a couple of years.

Most covenants are written such that you can keep a boat on the
property if it is housed within a garage..... and many covenants
prohibit an unattached garage. So.... you can have your boat if you
can afford a house/garage big enough to house both.

Go figure.......

Its all about resale value.

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:02:26 -0700, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Your suggestion to buy somewhere that doesn't have an HOA sounds
really good, except that most people don't have the money to buy the
kind of home they would REALLY like. In other words, not everyone is
rich, or lives in an area that the housing cost are reasonable
compared to wages. For us working folks, HOAs can be a necessary evil,
if we want to buy SOME kind of home.

It must be nice to have lots of $$.
It is unfortunate that for many, it really warps their comprehension
of the reality of life for for regular working folks.


That is odd!

Here in NC, it is the high end neighborhoods where HOAs are all the
rage. Many HOAs seem to exist, in part, to enforce rules where it
gives the illusion that no one in the neighborhood must either work
for a living or do any personal manual labor (winterize the boat, for
example).

Its all about keeping you from putting that single wide in the backyard
for mama and making sure that you don't have that old Chevy up on blocks
in the front yard fro a couple of years.

Most covenants are written such that you can keep a boat on the
property if it is housed within a garage..... and many covenants
prohibit an unattached garage. So.... you can have your boat if you
can afford a house/garage big enough to house both.

Go figure.......

Its all about resale value.




Yep! (As I stated earlier.)

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:29:24 -0400, BAR penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:02:26 -0700, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Your suggestion to buy somewhere that doesn't have an HOA sounds
really good, except that most people don't have the money to buy the
kind of home they would REALLY like. In other words, not everyone is
rich, or lives in an area that the housing cost are reasonable
compared to wages. For us working folks, HOAs can be a necessary evil,
if we want to buy SOME kind of home.

It must be nice to have lots of $$.
It is unfortunate that for many, it really warps their comprehension
of the reality of life for for regular working folks.


That is odd!

Here in NC, it is the high end neighborhoods where HOAs are all the
rage. Many HOAs seem to exist, in part, to enforce rules where it
gives the illusion that no one in the neighborhood must either work
for a living or do any personal manual labor (winterize the boat, for
example).

Its all about keeping you from putting that single wide in the backyard
for mama and making sure that you don't have that old Chevy up on blocks
in the front yard fro a couple of years.


Simply a straw man. Cities and towns have ordinances governing these
practices and there really is no need to create an umbrella of civil
litigation over the existing laws.... unless you are an attorney, then
it probably seems like a great idea!

Most covenants are written such that you can keep a boat on the
property if it is housed within a garage..... and many covenants
prohibit an unattached garage. So.... you can have your boat if you
can afford a house/garage big enough to house both.

Go figure.......

Its all about resale value.

I think there is more to it than that.

--

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I will never understand why anybody would willing sign a document
binding themselves and (potentially) their heirs to an "association"
which promises all of the restrictions of (yet another layer of)
government, but with none of the expected protections. The typical
level of intrusion into one's personal life and behavior is, IMHO,
absolutely unacceptable!

Do you really want to live your life according to a code of behavior
that a bunch of busybodies will coercively force on you?
......especially, when *you* didn't sign the document to begin with?

Buy your own nonrestricted homestead, then you can store and work on
your property as *you* see fit. Invite the GF over to *your*
place.....

PS
You will discover many other benefits and freedoms, as well. You'll be
able to leave the toilet seat up, too, if you want to .....


Homeowners Associations are a popular developers/local government scam
in Kalifornia and other areas. Basically, the building density can be
much higher (more units per acre) and the HOA is responsible for road
and drainage maintenance, code enforcement, etc, instead of the town
or city. It is a very convenient way for the town/city to absolve
themselves for responsibility to maintain the roads, the sewer and
drain pipes, and do code enforcement. A very scummy arrangement that
is good for the developers and the towns/cities, but really bad for
the residents.

Your suggestion to buy somewhere that doesn't have an HOA sounds
really good, except that most people don't have the money to buy the
kind of home they would REALLY like. In other words, not everyone is
rich, or lives in an area that the housing cost are reasonable
compared to wages. For us working folks, HOAs can be a necessary evil,
if we want to buy SOME kind of home.

It must be nice to have lots of $$.
It is unfortunate that for many, it really warps their comprehension
of the reality of life for for regular working folks.



We have a HOA in our development. The Association officers are responsible
for contracting out the care and upkeep of the main entrance to the
development (landscaping and sidewalk snow removal) as well as enforcing
Association bylaws. They also review and approve fence and shed
installations. Annual cost to each homeowner is $80.

Folks purchasing houses in the developement are told up front of the
Association and are given a copy of the bylaws.

I don't mind it. It helps ensure we don't get junk cars and trailers parked
in driveways and eventually adds to the worth of my house.

BTW: I can work on or store my boat on the trailer in my driveway for 2
full weeks/year, which is reasonable.

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:54:28 -0400, "JimH" ask penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

We have a HOA in our development. The Association officers are responsible
for contracting out the care and upkeep of the main entrance to the
development (landscaping and sidewalk snow removal) as well as enforcing
Association bylaws. They also review and approve fence and shed
installations. Annual cost to each homeowner is $80.

That is pretty cheap compared to most HOAs.

Folks purchasing houses in the developement are told up front of the
Association and are given a copy of the bylaws.

My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and
sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase.

I don't mind it. It helps ensure we don't get junk cars and trailers parked
in driveways and eventually adds to the worth of my house.

I don't have any of that, now, and I can park my boat in the driveway
and work on it whenever and as long as I want.....

BTW: I can work on or store my boat on the trailer in my driveway for 2
full weeks/year, which is reasonable.

......which is convenient because if I couldn't, I'd be spending
another $75-$350+/month to slip the boat. That makes that $80 look
like $155-$430+ to me!

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

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Gene Kearns wrote:
My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and
sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase.

I don't know about your state, but in mine it's as binding as any
other deed restriction. And deed restrictions are very much binding.

Rick

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:54:28 -0400, "JimH" ask penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

We have a HOA in our development. The Association officers are responsible
for contracting out the care and upkeep of the main entrance to the
development (landscaping and sidewalk snow removal) as well as enforcing
Association bylaws. They also review and approve fence and shed
installations. Annual cost to each homeowner is $80.

That is pretty cheap compared to most HOAs.

My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and
sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase.



Gene,
It is good that you don't live in a community with HOA and restrictive
covenants, because you probably would be very surprised how incorrect
your guess is.