On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:54:28 -0400, "JimH" ask penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

We have a HOA in our development. The Association officers are responsible
for contracting out the care and upkeep of the main entrance to the
development (landscaping and sidewalk snow removal) as well as enforcing
Association bylaws. They also review and approve fence and shed
installations. Annual cost to each homeowner is $80.

That is pretty cheap compared to most HOAs.

Folks purchasing houses in the developement are told up front of the
Association and are given a copy of the bylaws.

My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and
sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase.

I don't mind it. It helps ensure we don't get junk cars and trailers parked
in driveways and eventually adds to the worth of my house.

I don't have any of that, now, and I can park my boat in the driveway
and work on it whenever and as long as I want.....

BTW: I can work on or store my boat on the trailer in my driveway for 2
full weeks/year, which is reasonable.

......which is convenient because if I couldn't, I'd be spending
another $75-$350+/month to slip the boat. That makes that $80 look
like $155-$430+ to me!

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Gene Kearns wrote:
My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and
sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase.

I don't know about your state, but in mine it's as binding as any
other deed restriction. And deed restrictions are very much binding.

Rick

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:54:28 -0400, "JimH" ask penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

We have a HOA in our development. The Association officers are responsible
for contracting out the care and upkeep of the main entrance to the
development (landscaping and sidewalk snow removal) as well as enforcing
Association bylaws. They also review and approve fence and shed
installations. Annual cost to each homeowner is $80.

That is pretty cheap compared to most HOAs.

My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and
sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase.



Gene,
It is good that you don't live in a community with HOA and restrictive
covenants, because you probably would be very surprised how incorrect
your guess is.

I see the CCR intentionally doesn't specifically exclude motor homes.
Sure they could be grouped in the 'other vehicles' clause to stiff some
homeowner, but still leaves an out for the HOA Nazis to park THEIR land
yachts when they want to.
JR

Bob wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
:Mike Gardner wrote:
:First, get a copy of the homeowner asssocation agreement. Read it
:carefully. They tend to be written badly and often abused to meet the
:current opinions of whomever overly self-important, no-life shucks who
:currently enforce them like or don't like. Often what people are told
:is not what is in the document - only what he person telling you thinks.
:
:I would agree with all of this except for one problem. It's not his
:house. He's just an invited guest. The girlfriend is the one that'll
:wind up on the hot seat when things escalate. I don't think I'd want
:to put someone else in that position be it girlfriend, platonic
:friend, family, or anyone else.
:
:But don't sell the boat. There's bound to be another way.
:
:Rick

I agree Rick...hate to see my GF have to go to court to keep her house
because of me.

Here are her HOA CC&Rs with regards to this:

"No boats, trucks, automobiles, or other vehicles, or trailers may be
stored in the open within view of the public street within this
subdivision for more than twenty-four (24) hours, nor may they be
repaired except in an emergency within said twenty-four (24) hour
period on any of the streets within this subdivision."

To me, this technically sounds like you could work on your boat in the
DRIVEWAY as long as it was an "emergency" AND you did it within the 24
hour period. But I get the feeling that they mean "within view" like
they mention in the first part talking about storage.


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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:50:25 -0500, lid penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:
My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and
sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase.

I don't know about your state, but in mine it's as binding as any
other deed restriction. And deed restrictions are very much binding.

Rick

Even if you don't sign it?

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:02:26 -0700, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Your suggestion to buy somewhere that doesn't have an HOA sounds
really good, except that most people don't have the money to buy the
kind of home they would REALLY like. In other words, not everyone is
rich, or lives in an area that the housing cost are reasonable
compared to wages. For us working folks, HOAs can be a necessary evil,
if we want to buy SOME kind of home.

It must be nice to have lots of $$.
It is unfortunate that for many, it really warps their comprehension
of the reality of life for for regular working folks.


That is odd!

Here in NC, it is the high end neighborhoods where HOAs are all the
rage. Many HOAs seem to exist, in part, to enforce rules where it
gives the illusion that no one in the neighborhood must either work
for a living or do any personal manual labor (winterize the boat, for
example).

Its all about keeping you from putting that single wide in the backyard
for mama and making sure that you don't have that old Chevy up on blocks
in the front yard fro a couple of years.

Most covenants are written such that you can keep a boat on the
property if it is housed within a garage..... and many covenants
prohibit an unattached garage. So.... you can have your boat if you
can afford a house/garage big enough to house both.

Go figure.......

Its all about resale value.

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:54:28 -0400, "JimH" ask penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

We have a HOA in our development. The Association officers are responsible
for contracting out the care and upkeep of the main entrance to the
development (landscaping and sidewalk snow removal) as well as enforcing
Association bylaws. They also review and approve fence and shed
installations. Annual cost to each homeowner is $80.

That is pretty cheap compared to most HOAs.

Folks purchasing houses in the developement are told up front of the
Association and are given a copy of the bylaws.

My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and
sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase.

The covenants come with the land. There is no option to dissent from the
covenants.

I don't mind it. It helps ensure we don't get junk cars and trailers parked
in driveways and eventually adds to the worth of my house.

I don't have any of that, now, and I can park my boat in the driveway
and work on it whenever and as long as I want.....

BTW: I can work on or store my boat on the trailer in my driveway for 2
full weeks/year, which is reasonable.

.....which is convenient because if I couldn't, I'd be spending
another $75-$350+/month to slip the boat. That makes that $80 look
like $155-$430+ to me!

"BAR" wrote in message
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:02:26 -0700, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Your suggestion to buy somewhere that doesn't have an HOA sounds
really good, except that most people don't have the money to buy the
kind of home they would REALLY like. In other words, not everyone is
rich, or lives in an area that the housing cost are reasonable
compared to wages. For us working folks, HOAs can be a necessary evil,
if we want to buy SOME kind of home.

It must be nice to have lots of $$.
It is unfortunate that for many, it really warps their comprehension
of the reality of life for for regular working folks.


That is odd!

Here in NC, it is the high end neighborhoods where HOAs are all the
rage. Many HOAs seem to exist, in part, to enforce rules where it
gives the illusion that no one in the neighborhood must either work
for a living or do any personal manual labor (winterize the boat, for
example).

Its all about keeping you from putting that single wide in the backyard
for mama and making sure that you don't have that old Chevy up on blocks
in the front yard fro a couple of years.

Most covenants are written such that you can keep a boat on the
property if it is housed within a garage..... and many covenants
prohibit an unattached garage. So.... you can have your boat if you
can afford a house/garage big enough to house both.

Go figure.......

Its all about resale value.




Yep! (As I stated earlier.)

Bob wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
:Mike Gardner wrote:
:First, get a copy of the homeowner asssocation agreement. Read it
:carefully. They tend to be written badly and often abused to meet the
:current opinions of whomever overly self-important, no-life shucks who
:currently enforce them like or don't like. Often what people are told
:is not what is in the document - only what he person telling you thinks.
:
:I would agree with all of this except for one problem. It's not his
:house. He's just an invited guest. The girlfriend is the one that'll
:wind up on the hot seat when things escalate. I don't think I'd want
:to put someone else in that position be it girlfriend, platonic
:friend, family, or anyone else.
:
:But don't sell the boat. There's bound to be another way.
:
:Rick

I agree Rick...hate to see my GF have to go to court to keep her house
because of me.

Here are her HOA CC&Rs with regards to this:

"No boats, trucks, automobiles, or other vehicles, or trailers may be
stored in the open within view of the public street within this
subdivision for more than twenty-four (24) hours, nor may they be
repaired except in an emergency within said twenty-four (24) hour
period on any of the streets within this subdivision."

To me, this technically sounds like you could work on your boat in the
DRIVEWAY as long as it was an "emergency" AND you did it within the 24
hour period. But I get the feeling that they mean "within view" like
they mention in the first part talking about storage.

I'd hold them to their own rules and point out that you aren't
"repairing" the boat, you are performing routine "maintenance".

I'm sure they don't mind people washing or waxing their cars but they
would bitch if they dropped the transmission for a repair.

Dan

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:50:25 -0500, lid penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:
My guess is that nothing is binding, if they didn't also assent to and
sign the restrictive covenants prior to purchase.
I don't know about your state, but in mine it's as binding as any
other deed restriction. And deed restrictions are very much binding.

Rick

Even if you don't sign it?


If you buy the property you agree to the deed restrictions and covenants.