A rep of the homeowner's association which regulates the
neighborhood my girlfriend lives

If she lives in a "controlled" neighborhood, you may be dinked....if
she owns the house...tell him to stick his finger up his ass, pull it
out and smell it...then he'll know how full of **** he is.

......sorry....I had to vent.

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:15:03 +0000 (UTC), (Bob)
wrote:

Yes, this post is on-topic. I just have to vent...thanks for
listening.

I live in an apartment and store my 17' v-hull I/O runabout boat in a
storage facility. Whenever I need to work on it, I go get the boat and
bring it to her house for a day or two and work on it there...nothing
major -- just routine stuff like winterizing, tuneups, and other minor
repairs or modifications...it's not like I'm leaving a junky boat half
torn apart in her driveway.

All has been well with this situation for the past 3 years or so until
now. A rep of the homeowner's association which regulates the
neighborhood my girlfriend lives in called her today saying that the
association regulations prohibit working on boats and that boats could
be loaded or unloaded only on your property.

Where does one practically work on their boat if they cannot work on it
at their house? I cannot afford to have someone do every little thing
to my boat when it needs something done to it. Sure, I could probably
get away with doing small things to it, but what about the other things
like winterizing or getting it ready to go in the Spring? The way I
see it, I am screwed and don't have much choice but to get rid of the
boat. What a depressing thought that is, especially since it is a boat
that has been in my family for 35 years, is running better than it ever
has, not to mention how much enjoyment we get from it.



The short answer is screw them. If you really don't care and the boat
is not there longer than it takes for them to bring legal action there
is really not much they can do.
Certainly they can be mad at you but it is really pretty hard to
enforce rules that are only broken for a day at a time, fairly
infrequently. Basically it is pretty hard for them to hit a moving
target.
This is from the former president of TWO HOAs
I had people just tell me to go screw myself and there really wasn't
much I could do about it. You can always jump through the hoops to get
a lien on the property to try to enforce the fines but that only
affects people who plan on selling soon and who actually have some
equity in the property. If they walk away from the house (which will
be happening about 8 million times in the next year) they walk away
from your "fine" too. My condo association got in line at bankruptsy
court on 5 uinits that were in arrears on fines and fees ... we didn't
walk away with a dime.

Most HOA's don't want to sue, they just attach a lien to your property
to fix the items that are out of compliance. My HOA doesn't have enough
money in the reserve fund to start or sustain a legal action.

"Bob" wrote in message
...

LOL. I think I'm OK on that front -- I've also managed to remain a
bachelor for all my 52 years, but I appreciate the words of
wisdom none the less! :-)

Will have to check into the Yach Club thing but I'm thinking that might
be pretty expensive and not very convenient since the nearest yacht
club is quite a ways away. I think I'll scale back doing any
maintenance or work at the house which requires I start the boat on the
trailer and instead haul it over to my cousin's place about a 1/2 hour
drive away or just wait to do those things just before launch and/or on
the water. F 'em if they want to get on us for me doing other little
things while it's parked in her driveway during the "24 hour storage
period".


I'd have to agree on the boat/yacht club thing.
We're lucky here, I could join one or more from a list of almost two dozen.
Some very expensive, some dirt cheap, some close.. others an hours drive,
most on the ocean and a few on fresh water etc etc.
The right club might be a nice social place to hang around in-between
outings.

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:15:03 +0000 (UTC), (Bob) wrote:


Yes, this post is on-topic. I just have to vent...thanks for
listening.

I live in an apartment and store my 17' v-hull I/O runabout boat in a
storage facility. Whenever I need to work on it, I go get the boat and
bring it to her house for a day or two and work on it there...nothing
major -- just routine stuff like winterizing, tuneups, and other minor
repairs or modifications...it's not like I'm leaving a junky boat half
torn apart in her driveway.

All has been well with this situation for the past 3 years or so until
now. A rep of the homeowner's association which regulates the
neighborhood my girlfriend lives in called her today saying that the
association regulations prohibit working on boats and that boats could
be loaded or unloaded only on your property.

Where does one practically work on their boat if they cannot work on it
at their house? I cannot afford to have someone do every little thing
to my boat when it needs something done to it. Sure, I could probably
get away with doing small things to it, but what about the other things
like winterizing or getting it ready to go in the Spring? The way I
see it, I am screwed and don't have much choice but to get rid of the
boat. What a depressing thought that is, especially since it is a boat
that has been in my family for 35 years, is running better than it ever
has, not to mention how much enjoyment we get from it.


Have you actually read the association rules? You may be getting an
'interpretation' from someone who thinks your girlfriend is a fox and wants
you out of the picture.

If you're talking about working on the boat for a few hours on a single
day, I don't think the association can do squat. If you're leaving the boat
in her driveway for several days at a time, then you may be in violation.
In any case, the association must notify you, in writing, of the rule
violation. If your boat is in and out in one day, it will be gone by the
time the association writes anything.

From a former HOA VP.
--
John H

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:29:23 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:15:03 +0000 (UTC), (Bob)
wrote:


Yes, this post is on-topic. I just have to vent...thanks for
listening.

I live in an apartment and store my 17' v-hull I/O runabout boat in a
storage facility. Whenever I need to work on it, I go get the boat and
bring it to her house for a day or two and work on it there...nothing
major -- just routine stuff like winterizing, tuneups, and other minor
repairs or modifications...it's not like I'm leaving a junky boat half
torn apart in her driveway.

All has been well with this situation for the past 3 years or so until
now. A rep of the homeowner's association which regulates the
neighborhood my girlfriend lives in called her today saying that the
association regulations prohibit working on boats and that boats could
be loaded or unloaded only on your property.

Where does one practically work on their boat if they cannot work on it
at their house? I cannot afford to have someone do every little thing
to my boat when it needs something done to it. Sure, I could probably
get away with doing small things to it, but what about the other things
like winterizing or getting it ready to go in the Spring? The way I
see it, I am screwed and don't have much choice but to get rid of the
boat. What a depressing thought that is, especially since it is a boat
that has been in my family for 35 years, is running better than it ever
has, not to mention how much enjoyment we get from it.



The short answer is screw them. If you really don't care and the boat
is not there longer than it takes for them to bring legal action there
is really not much they can do.
Certainly they can be mad at you but it is really pretty hard to
enforce rules that are only broken for a day at a time, fairly
infrequently. Basically it is pretty hard for them to hit a moving
target.
This is from the former president of TWO HOAs
I had people just tell me to go screw myself and there really wasn't
much I could do about it. You can always jump through the hoops to get
a lien on the property to try to enforce the fines but that only
affects people who plan on selling soon and who actually have some
equity in the property. If they walk away from the house (which will
be happening about 8 million times in the next year) they walk away
from your "fine" too. My condo association got in line at bankruptsy
court on 5 uinits that were in arrears on fines and fees ... we didn't
walk away with a dime.

I should have read this before my response, Bob. I basically agree with
everything he says.

Take 15 minutes and read the association rules.
--
John H

(Bob) wrote:
F 'em if they want to get on us

Well, aalllll righty then.....
But just remember, it won't be "us" they'll get on. You're completely
in the clear here. She's the one that'll be under the gun... FOR you.
So don't discount what I told ya' 'bout that slippery slope.
-shakin' head-

Rick

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:15:03 +0000 (UTC), Bob penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


Yes, this post is on-topic. I just have to vent...thanks for
listening.

I live in an apartment and store my 17' v-hull I/O runabout boat in a
storage facility. Whenever I need to work on it, I go get the boat and
bring it to her house for a day or two and work on it there...nothing
major -- just routine stuff like winterizing, tuneups, and other minor
repairs or modifications...it's not like I'm leaving a junky boat half
torn apart in her driveway.

All has been well with this situation for the past 3 years or so until
now. A rep of the homeowner's association which regulates the
neighborhood my girlfriend lives in called her today saying that the
association regulations prohibit working on boats and that boats could
be loaded or unloaded only on your property.

Where does one practically work on their boat if they cannot work on it
at their house? I cannot afford to have someone do every little thing
to my boat when it needs something done to it. Sure, I could probably
get away with doing small things to it, but what about the other things
like winterizing or getting it ready to go in the Spring? The way I
see it, I am screwed and don't have much choice but to get rid of the
boat. What a depressing thought that is, especially since it is a boat
that has been in my family for 35 years, is running better than it ever
has, not to mention how much enjoyment we get from it.


I will never understand why anybody would willing sign a document
binding themselves and (potentially) their heirs to an "association"
which promises all of the restrictions of (yet another layer of)
government, but with none of the expected protections. The typical
level of intrusion into one's personal life and behavior is, IMHO,
absolutely unacceptable!

Do you really want to live your life according to a code of behavior
that a bunch of busybodies will coercively force on you?
.......especially, when *you* didn't sign the document to begin with?

Buy your own nonrestricted homestead, then you can store and work on
your property as *you* see fit. Invite the GF over to *your*
place.....

PS
You will discover many other benefits and freedoms, as well. You'll be
able to leave the toilet seat up, too, if you want to .....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

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I will never understand why anybody would willing sign a document
binding themselves and (potentially) their heirs to an "association"
which promises all of the restrictions of (yet another layer of)
government, but with none of the expected protections. The typical
level of intrusion into one's personal life and behavior is, IMHO,
absolutely unacceptable!

Do you really want to live your life according to a code of behavior
that a bunch of busybodies will coercively force on you?
......especially, when *you* didn't sign the document to begin with?

Buy your own nonrestricted homestead, then you can store and work on
your property as *you* see fit. Invite the GF over to *your*
place.....

PS
You will discover many other benefits and freedoms, as well. You'll be
able to leave the toilet seat up, too, if you want to .....


Homeowners Associations are a popular developers/local government scam
in Kalifornia and other areas. Basically, the building density can be
much higher (more units per acre) and the HOA is responsible for road
and drainage maintenance, code enforcement, etc, instead of the town
or city. It is a very convenient way for the town/city to absolve
themselves for responsibility to maintain the roads, the sewer and
drain pipes, and do code enforcement. A very scummy arrangement that
is good for the developers and the towns/cities, but really bad for
the residents.

Your suggestion to buy somewhere that doesn't have an HOA sounds
really good, except that most people don't have the money to buy the
kind of home they would REALLY like. In other words, not everyone is
rich, or lives in an area that the housing cost are reasonable
compared to wages. For us working folks, HOAs can be a necessary evil,
if we want to buy SOME kind of home.

It must be nice to have lots of $$.
It is unfortunate that for many, it really warps their comprehension
of the reality of life for for regular working folks.

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:02:26 -0700, penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Your suggestion to buy somewhere that doesn't have an HOA sounds
really good, except that most people don't have the money to buy the
kind of home they would REALLY like. In other words, not everyone is
rich, or lives in an area that the housing cost are reasonable
compared to wages. For us working folks, HOAs can be a necessary evil,
if we want to buy SOME kind of home.

It must be nice to have lots of $$.
It is unfortunate that for many, it really warps their comprehension
of the reality of life for for regular working folks.


That is odd!

Here in NC, it is the high end neighborhoods where HOAs are all the
rage. Many HOAs seem to exist, in part, to enforce rules where it
gives the illusion that no one in the neighborhood must either work
for a living or do any personal manual labor (winterize the boat, for
example).

Most covenants are written such that you can keep a boat on the
property if it is housed within a garage..... and many covenants
prohibit an unattached garage. So.... you can have your boat if you
can afford a house/garage big enough to house both.

Go figure.......

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

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I will never understand why anybody would willing sign a document
binding themselves and (potentially) their heirs to an "association"
which promises all of the restrictions of (yet another layer of)
government, but with none of the expected protections. The typical
level of intrusion into one's personal life and behavior is, IMHO,
absolutely unacceptable!

Do you really want to live your life according to a code of behavior
that a bunch of busybodies will coercively force on you?
......especially, when *you* didn't sign the document to begin with?

Buy your own nonrestricted homestead, then you can store and work on
your property as *you* see fit. Invite the GF over to *your*
place.....

PS
You will discover many other benefits and freedoms, as well. You'll be
able to leave the toilet seat up, too, if you want to .....


Homeowners Associations are a popular developers/local government scam
in Kalifornia and other areas. Basically, the building density can be
much higher (more units per acre) and the HOA is responsible for road
and drainage maintenance, code enforcement, etc, instead of the town
or city. It is a very convenient way for the town/city to absolve
themselves for responsibility to maintain the roads, the sewer and
drain pipes, and do code enforcement. A very scummy arrangement that
is good for the developers and the towns/cities, but really bad for
the residents.

Your suggestion to buy somewhere that doesn't have an HOA sounds
really good, except that most people don't have the money to buy the
kind of home they would REALLY like. In other words, not everyone is
rich, or lives in an area that the housing cost are reasonable
compared to wages. For us working folks, HOAs can be a necessary evil,
if we want to buy SOME kind of home.

It must be nice to have lots of $$.
It is unfortunate that for many, it really warps their comprehension
of the reality of life for for regular working folks.



We have a HOA in our development. The Association officers are responsible
for contracting out the care and upkeep of the main entrance to the
development (landscaping and sidewalk snow removal) as well as enforcing
Association bylaws. They also review and approve fence and shed
installations. Annual cost to each homeowner is $80.

Folks purchasing houses in the developement are told up front of the
Association and are given a copy of the bylaws.

I don't mind it. It helps ensure we don't get junk cars and trailers parked
in driveways and eventually adds to the worth of my house.

BTW: I can work on or store my boat on the trailer in my driveway for 2
full weeks/year, which is reasonable.