In article ,
wrote:
:Mike Gardner wrote:
:First, get a copy of the homeowner asssocation agreement. Read it
:carefully. They tend to be written badly and often abused to meet the
:current opinions of whomever overly self-important, no-life shucks who
:currently enforce them like or don't like. Often what people are told
:is not what is in the document - only what he person telling you thinks.
:
:I would agree with all of this except for one problem. It's not his
:house. He's just an invited guest. The girlfriend is the one that'll
:wind up on the hot seat when things escalate. I don't think I'd want
:to put someone else in that position be it girlfriend, platonic
:friend, family, or anyone else.
:
:But don't sell the boat. There's bound to be another way.
:
:Rick

I agree Rick...hate to see my GF have to go to court to keep her house
because of me.

Here are her HOA CC&Rs with regards to this:

"No boats, trucks, automobiles, or other vehicles, or trailers may be
stored in the open within view of the public street within this
subdivision for more than twenty-four (24) hours, nor may they be
repaired except in an emergency within said twenty-four (24) hour
period on any of the streets within this subdivision."

To me, this technically sounds like you could work on your boat in the
DRIVEWAY as long as it was an "emergency" AND you did it within the 24
hour period. But I get the feeling that they mean "within view" like
they mention in the first part talking about storage.

(Bob) wrote:
I get the feeling that they mean "within view" like
they mention in the first part talking about storage.

Exactly.

And there's another thing. We need to talk. This girlfriend thing can
get to be very slippery slope. First, she goes to bat for you, next
she drops a hint that it's no problem cuz soon you'll be living there
too, then she starts expecting a rock on her finger, you get the
picture. I'm tellin' ya man, the fairer sex can be veeeeery tricky. I
haven't remained a bachelor lo these many years without learnin' at
thing or two ;-)
Join a Yacht Club and use their facilities for boat maintenance.

Rick

In article ,
wrote:
Bob) wrote:
:I get the feeling that they mean "within view" like
:they mention in the first part talking about storage.
:
:Exactly.
:
:And there's another thing. We need to talk. This girlfriend thing can
:get to be very slippery slope. First, she goes to bat for you, next
:she drops a hint that it's no problem cuz soon you'll be living there
:too, then she starts expecting a rock on her finger, you get the
icture. I'm tellin' ya man, the fairer sex can be veeeeery tricky. I
:haven't remained a bachelor lo these many years without learnin' at
:thing or two ;-)
:Join a Yacht Club and use their facilities for boat maintenance.
:
:Rick

LOL. I think I'm OK on that front -- I've also managed to remain a
bachelor for all my 52 years, but I appreciate the words of
wisdom none the less! :-)

Will have to check into the Yach Club thing but I'm thinking that might
be pretty expensive and not very convenient since the nearest yacht
club is quite a ways away. I think I'll scale back doing any
maintenance or work at the house which requires I start the boat on the
trailer and instead haul it over to my cousin's place about a 1/2 hour
drive away or just wait to do those things just before launch and/or on
the water. F 'em if they want to get on us for me doing other little
things while it's parked in her driveway during the "24 hour storage
period".

"Bob" wrote in message
...

LOL. I think I'm OK on that front -- I've also managed to remain a
bachelor for all my 52 years, but I appreciate the words of
wisdom none the less! :-)

Will have to check into the Yach Club thing but I'm thinking that might
be pretty expensive and not very convenient since the nearest yacht
club is quite a ways away. I think I'll scale back doing any
maintenance or work at the house which requires I start the boat on the
trailer and instead haul it over to my cousin's place about a 1/2 hour
drive away or just wait to do those things just before launch and/or on
the water. F 'em if they want to get on us for me doing other little
things while it's parked in her driveway during the "24 hour storage
period".


I'd have to agree on the boat/yacht club thing.
We're lucky here, I could join one or more from a list of almost two dozen.
Some very expensive, some dirt cheap, some close.. others an hours drive,
most on the ocean and a few on fresh water etc etc.
The right club might be a nice social place to hang around in-between
outings.

(Bob) wrote:
F 'em if they want to get on us

Well, aalllll righty then.....
But just remember, it won't be "us" they'll get on. You're completely
in the clear here. She's the one that'll be under the gun... FOR you.
So don't discount what I told ya' 'bout that slippery slope.
-shakin' head-

Rick

I see the CCR intentionally doesn't specifically exclude motor homes.
Sure they could be grouped in the 'other vehicles' clause to stiff some
homeowner, but still leaves an out for the HOA Nazis to park THEIR land
yachts when they want to.
JR

Bob wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
:Mike Gardner wrote:
:First, get a copy of the homeowner asssocation agreement. Read it
:carefully. They tend to be written badly and often abused to meet the
:current opinions of whomever overly self-important, no-life shucks who
:currently enforce them like or don't like. Often what people are told
:is not what is in the document - only what he person telling you thinks.
:
:I would agree with all of this except for one problem. It's not his
:house. He's just an invited guest. The girlfriend is the one that'll
:wind up on the hot seat when things escalate. I don't think I'd want
:to put someone else in that position be it girlfriend, platonic
:friend, family, or anyone else.
:
:But don't sell the boat. There's bound to be another way.
:
:Rick

I agree Rick...hate to see my GF have to go to court to keep her house
because of me.

Here are her HOA CC&Rs with regards to this:

"No boats, trucks, automobiles, or other vehicles, or trailers may be
stored in the open within view of the public street within this
subdivision for more than twenty-four (24) hours, nor may they be
repaired except in an emergency within said twenty-four (24) hour
period on any of the streets within this subdivision."

To me, this technically sounds like you could work on your boat in the
DRIVEWAY as long as it was an "emergency" AND you did it within the 24
hour period. But I get the feeling that they mean "within view" like
they mention in the first part talking about storage.


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Bob wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
:Mike Gardner wrote:
:First, get a copy of the homeowner asssocation agreement. Read it
:carefully. They tend to be written badly and often abused to meet the
:current opinions of whomever overly self-important, no-life shucks who
:currently enforce them like or don't like. Often what people are told
:is not what is in the document - only what he person telling you thinks.
:
:I would agree with all of this except for one problem. It's not his
:house. He's just an invited guest. The girlfriend is the one that'll
:wind up on the hot seat when things escalate. I don't think I'd want
:to put someone else in that position be it girlfriend, platonic
:friend, family, or anyone else.
:
:But don't sell the boat. There's bound to be another way.
:
:Rick

I agree Rick...hate to see my GF have to go to court to keep her house
because of me.

Here are her HOA CC&Rs with regards to this:

"No boats, trucks, automobiles, or other vehicles, or trailers may be
stored in the open within view of the public street within this
subdivision for more than twenty-four (24) hours, nor may they be
repaired except in an emergency within said twenty-four (24) hour
period on any of the streets within this subdivision."

To me, this technically sounds like you could work on your boat in the
DRIVEWAY as long as it was an "emergency" AND you did it within the 24
hour period. But I get the feeling that they mean "within view" like
they mention in the first part talking about storage.

I'd hold them to their own rules and point out that you aren't
"repairing" the boat, you are performing routine "maintenance".

I'm sure they don't mind people washing or waxing their cars but they
would bitch if they dropped the transmission for a repair.

Dan

:But don't sell the boat. There's bound to be another way.
:
:Rick

I agree Rick...hate to see my GF have to go to court to keep her house
because of me.

Here are her HOA CC&Rs with regards to this:

"No boats, trucks, automobiles, or other vehicles, or trailers may be
stored in the open within view of the public street within this
subdivision for more than twenty-four (24) hours, nor may they be
repaired except in an emergency within said twenty-four (24) hour
period on any of the streets within this subdivision."

To me, this technically sounds like you could work on your boat in the
DRIVEWAY as long as it was an "emergency" AND you did it within the 24
hour period. But I get the feeling that they mean "within view" like
they mention in the first part talking about storage.



Sounds like you can park and perform your "emergency" repairs on the boat
for up to 24 hrs with no problem. "Winterizing" would become my next
"emergency" repair.

On Aug 20, 11:16 pm, (Bob) wrote:
In article

"No boats, trucks, automobiles, or other vehicles, or trailers may be
stored in the open within view of the public street within this
subdivision for more than twenty-four (24) hours, nor may they be
repaired except in an emergency within said twenty-four (24) hour
period on any of the streets within this subdivision."

To me, this technically sounds like you could work on your boat in the
DRIVEWAY as long as it was an "emergency" AND you did it within the 24
hour period. But I get the feeling that they mean "within view" like
they mention in the first part talking about storage.

To me, this means you can do whatever you want on the boat in a
private driveway or yard, emergency or no, as long as it is not in
view of the public street for more than 24 hours.

The "emergency" clause refers to working on it in a "street", as might
happen if the vehicle got a flat tire and moving it from the street to
a private driveway was not practical without first effecting the
repair.

Could it be argued that "any of the streets within this subdivision"
includes private "driveways"? Possibly. It could also be argued that
if the framers meant it to include driveways, they would have written
"any of the streets or driveways within this subdivision."

I note there is no prohibition from storing or effecting non-emergency
repair on a vehicle in a private yard. The framers could have easily
foreseen such occurring and written a prohibition in the form of "nor
may they be stored or repaired except in an emergency within said
twenty-four (24) hour period on any of the streets, driveways or yards
within this subdivision."

"Said twenty-four (24) hour period" sounds very official and scary but
it merely refers again to the period that a vehicle may be "within
view of the public street." It does not a priori mean that non-
emergency repair cannot be performed on a private drive or yard.

On the whole, it seems to me that the framers most likely just wanted
to keep the work out of the public streets (read: thoroughfares), and
to keep it reasonably brief.

A private driveway is not typically considered to be as much a part of
the "common space" as a public street. So there is ample reason to
have a distinction between streets and driveways. Repairing a vehicle
in the public street could be a problem if lots of people did it even
for short periods. People don't tend to care as much what happens in a
neighbor's driveway if it's temporary.

I am not a lawyer, but I have extensive experience interpreting zoning
codes.

wrote in news:1187795879.112007.239080
@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com:

On Aug 20, 11:16 pm, (Bob) wrote:
In article

"No boats, trucks, automobiles, or other vehicles, or trailers may be
stored in the open within view of the public street within this
subdivision for more than twenty-four (24) hours, nor may they be
repaired except in an emergency within said twenty-four (24) hour
period on any of the streets within this subdivision."

To me, this technically sounds like you could work on your boat in the
DRIVEWAY as long as it was an "emergency" AND you did it within the 24
hour period. But I get the feeling that they mean "within view" like
they mention in the first part talking about storage.

To me, this means you can do whatever you want on the boat in a
private driveway or yard, emergency or no, as long as it is not in
view of the public street for more than 24 hours.

The "emergency" clause refers to working on it in a "street", as might
happen if the vehicle got a flat tire and moving it from the street to
a private driveway was not practical without first effecting the
repair.

Could it be argued that "any of the streets within this subdivision"
includes private "driveways"? Possibly. It could also be argued that
if the framers meant it to include driveways, they would have written
"any of the streets or driveways within this subdivision."

I note there is no prohibition from storing or effecting non-emergency
repair on a vehicle in a private yard. The framers could have easily
foreseen such occurring and written a prohibition in the form of "nor
may they be stored or repaired except in an emergency within said
twenty-four (24) hour period on any of the streets, driveways or yards
within this subdivision."

"Said twenty-four (24) hour period" sounds very official and scary but
it merely refers again to the period that a vehicle may be "within
view of the public street." It does not a priori mean that non-
emergency repair cannot be performed on a private drive or yard.

On the whole, it seems to me that the framers most likely just wanted
to keep the work out of the public streets (read: thoroughfares), and
to keep it reasonably brief.

A private driveway is not typically considered to be as much a part of
the "common space" as a public street. So there is ample reason to
have a distinction between streets and driveways. Repairing a vehicle
in the public street could be a problem if lots of people did it even
for short periods. People don't tend to care as much what happens in a
neighbor's driveway if it's temporary.

I am not a lawyer, but I have extensive experience interpreting zoning
codes.



I think you are dead on. I am a lawyer and I used to write CC&Rs for a
living. When we wanted say driveway, we said driveway. The quoted CC&Rs
only restrict repair on the streets. I wrote several CC&Rs (at the
request of the developer) that said no repair in the driveway, only the
garage. I think as long as you can do the repair within the 24 hour
storage period, you're alright. The OP should point that out to the busy
buddy and tell him or her to pound sand. BTW, because of my dealings with
HOAs, I would never live in one. I've only been to New Hampshire once,
but I like their motto: "Live free or die."