"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Feb 7, 4:44 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

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I got about three minutes into it when my knees said, "F you, Charlie!"
The rest of me felt pretty good. It's going to take me a while to work
my
way into it. But I like the machine. It is very smooth and there's
enough
going on to maintain my attention.

If your knees can handle the treadmill, they should be able to handle the
elliptical, but the motion is different and it takes some time to get
used
to. I found that little or minimal resistance settings are worse than a
moderate amount. Too little and my coordination and timing gets messed
up.

Little bit each day ...

I use a treadmill and I hate it - my knees hurt like hell.

Oddly, when I walk through the woods along the old
logging trail, I'm fine.

Go figure.


Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin (!,200
mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is designed to
lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.

JimH wrote:

Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin (!,200
mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is designed to
lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.

http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm

"-rick-" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:

Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.

http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm

There are hundreds of studies that say otherwise. My doctor also recommends
it. ;-)

JimH wrote:
"-rick-" wrote in message
. ..
JimH wrote:
Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.
http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm

There are hundreds of studies that say otherwise. My doctor also recommends
it. ;-)



There are studies that show varying degrees of effectiveness against OA,
but the U.S. National Institute of Health in a large double blind study
did not see any improvement over the placebo. The kicker is even if it
is ALL a placebo effect, it really doesn't matter to those who are in
less pain, which is why many doctors and the Arthritis Foundation
continue to recommend it for mild to moderate OA. Why mess with
success, no matter what the reason.

On Feb 8, 7:59 am, "JimH" wrote:
"-rick-" wrote in message

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JimH wrote:

Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.

http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm

There are hundreds of studies that say otherwise. My doctor also recommends
it. ;-)

Not really. It's more likely the placebo effect.

Which, by the way, is a perfectly valid treatment if it works.

The mind is an odd organ - there is a mind-over-matter
component to it.

However, working against double-blind studies, it's a
50/50 proposition which basically means it's effective
if you believe it to be effective.

Nothing wrong with that.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Feb 8, 7:59 am, "JimH" wrote:
"-rick-" wrote in message

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JimH wrote:

Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.

Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have
both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.

http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm

There are hundreds of studies that say otherwise. My doctor also
recommends
it. ;-)

Not really. It's more likely the placebo effect.

Which, by the way, is a perfectly valid treatment if it works.

The mind is an odd organ - there is a mind-over-matter
component to it.

However, working against double-blind studies, it's a
50/50 proposition which basically means it's effective
if you believe it to be effective.

Nothing wrong with that.


It is not in my head, nor in my wife's head. Believe what you want.

JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Feb 8, 7:59 am, "JimH" wrote:
"-rick-" wrote in message

. ..

JimH wrote:
Try adding a daily dose of Glucosamine HCL(1,500 mg) and Chondroitin
(!,200 mg) twice/day (2 tablets each time). This combination is
designed to lubricate the bone joints.
Both my wife and I have used this for the past 2 months and we have
both
noticed an improvement in our joint pain and flexibility. We use the
Costco /Kirtland brand.
http://arthritis.about.com/od/glucos...cosamineoa.htm
There are hundreds of studies that say otherwise. My doctor also
recommends
it. ;-)
Not really. It's more likely the placebo effect.

Which, by the way, is a perfectly valid treatment if it works.

The mind is an odd organ - there is a mind-over-matter
component to it.

However, working against double-blind studies, it's a
50/50 proposition which basically means it's effective
if you believe it to be effective.

Nothing wrong with that.


It is not in my head, nor in my wife's head. Believe what you want.



Tom,
The mind does have the amazing ability to play a major factor in healing
the body. Some people fail to understand that that is a positive thing.

On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:15:36 -0500, JimH wrote:


It is not in my head, nor in my wife's head. Believe what you want

If taken early enough, before major damage is done, I'm convinced
glucosamine works. While studies on humans have shown conflicting
results, glucosamine therapy has been used on pets, with much success, for
years. I've yet to see any studies showing pets understanding a placebo
effect. ;-)

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:15:36 -0500, JimH wrote:


It is not in my head, nor in my wife's head. Believe what you want

If taken early enough, before major damage is done, I'm convinced
glucosamine works. While studies on humans have shown conflicting
results, glucosamine therapy has been used on pets, with much success, for
years. I've yet to see any studies showing pets understanding a placebo
effect. ;-)

What criteria was used to judge the effectiveness of glucosamine on pets?

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:15:36 -0500, JimH wrote:


It is not in my head, nor in my wife's head. Believe what you want

If taken early enough, before major damage is done, I'm convinced
glucosamine works. While studies on humans have shown conflicting
results, glucosamine therapy has been used on pets, with much success, for
years. I've yet to see any studies showing pets understanding a placebo
effect. ;-)

Did't work for my Duke Dogge Dog.

One of my local vets is on the research team at
Tufts University (who rents part of our old farm
house) and he says it's virtually worthless.

Eh - who knows.