Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:20:19 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I have never had the confidence in CR results to pay for their
magazine or purchase a report online.

They are not perfect and sometimes miss the mark, but on balance they
are the best consumer testing and reporting organization that I'm
aware of. I wouldn't dream of buying a big ticket item without
checking to see what they had to say about either that specific model,
or the manufacturer in general.

Their automotive reporting has always been spot on im my experience,
especially the reliability evaluations.


That might be because they have an extremly large pool of users
expressing what they view as important criteria and they are providing
realiability over a long period. I like the reviews where they provide
both the experts and the users opinions. I feel you get the best of
both worlds.

I know many people who swear by CR and say they have never gone wrong
buying a BB. The just missed the mark on those products I knew.

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Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:01:17 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
.

As I have told you before, "Reggie," since you have no obvious
expertise, no stated profession, no boat that anyone has seen, and no
real name, I consider your opinions worthless.

Well if you are going to turn every discussion into personal insults it
really does limit your ability to have a discussion when you have a
difference of opinion.

Since I have no expertise in any subject, you really should be able to
do a good job debating, but you gave up as soon as someone disagreed
with you. All in all, your disagreement did stir up some boating and
boating mag. discussion.



Why would I want to "debate" someone with no expertise, no stated
profession, no boat that anyone has seen, and no real name?

I didn't "give up" debating you, "Reggie." I didn't play.

Speaking of 'never seen boats'...Harry, you mentioned being interested in
another boat. Are you considering the sale of the Parker and the 36'er, or
only one of them?
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John H

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JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:01:17 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
.
As I have told you before, "Reggie," since you have no obvious
expertise, no stated profession, no boat that anyone has seen, and no
real name, I consider your opinions worthless.
Well if you are going to turn every discussion into personal insults it
really does limit your ability to have a discussion when you have a
difference of opinion.

Since I have no expertise in any subject, you really should be able to
do a good job debating, but you gave up as soon as someone disagreed
with you. All in all, your disagreement did stir up some boating and
boating mag. discussion.


Why would I want to "debate" someone with no expertise, no stated
profession, no boat that anyone has seen, and no real name?

I didn't "give up" debating you, "Reggie." I didn't play.

Speaking of 'never seen boats'...Harry, you mentioned being interested in
another boat. Are you considering the sale of the Parker and the 36'er, or
only one of them?
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JohnH,

If we are not careful it is easy to turn the NG back into the the slug
fest some would prefer it to become. Asking about the Lobster Boat that
no one has seen, is one of the topics that is sure to open up a can of
worms, and is best left alone. Sometimes you just need to pretend you
didn't see a post.

As anyone who has spent anytime in Usenet will tell you, listing your
credentials, your profession, or your extensive fleet of boats, has
never kept a discussion on topic. If anything it diverts the thread off
topic into the validity of the the person's profession, expertise. or
the personal info as presented by the individual.

My opinion of boating magazines "reviews" is accepted as fact by those
in the industry, and by the average reader, including those who read
PassageMaker. Heck, even Harry agreed they really don't present the
good, the bad and the ugly, and they will not do a article on any
product that they can not present in a favorable light. That was the
point of my original post. If I was to present my resume including
personal information and boating credentials, it would not have added to
the on topic discussion, but would have been the equivalent of pouring
gas on an open flame of personal insults. I am hoping if I ignore
Harry's insults and do not throw insults back at him, he will try to
stick to the discussion.

If not, so be it.

--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it!

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:14:43 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:01:17 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
.
As I have told you before, "Reggie," since you have no obvious
expertise, no stated profession, no boat that anyone has seen, and no
real name, I consider your opinions worthless.
Well if you are going to turn every discussion into personal insults it
really does limit your ability to have a discussion when you have a
difference of opinion.

Since I have no expertise in any subject, you really should be able to
do a good job debating, but you gave up as soon as someone disagreed
with you. All in all, your disagreement did stir up some boating and
boating mag. discussion.


Why would I want to "debate" someone with no expertise, no stated
profession, no boat that anyone has seen, and no real name?

I didn't "give up" debating you, "Reggie." I didn't play.

Speaking of 'never seen boats'...Harry, you mentioned being interested in
another boat. Are you considering the sale of the Parker and the 36'er, or
only one of them?
--
John H

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JohnH,

If we are not careful it is easy to turn the NG back into the the slug
fest some would prefer it to become. Asking about the Lobster Boat that
no one has seen, is one of the topics that is sure to open up a can of
worms, and is best left alone. Sometimes you just need to pretend you
didn't see a post.

As anyone who has spent anytime in Usenet will tell you, listing your
credentials, your profession, or your extensive fleet of boats, has
never kept a discussion on topic. If anything it diverts the thread off
topic into the validity of the the person's profession, expertise. or
the personal info as presented by the individual.

My opinion of boating magazines "reviews" is accepted as fact by those
in the industry, and by the average reader, including those who read
PassageMaker. Heck, even Harry agreed they really don't present the
good, the bad and the ugly, and they will not do a article on any
product that they can not present in a favorable light. That was the
point of my original post. If I was to present my resume including
personal information and boating credentials, it would not have added to
the on topic discussion, but would have been the equivalent of pouring
gas on an open flame of personal insults. I am hoping if I ignore
Harry's insults and do not throw insults back at him, he will try to
stick to the discussion.

If not, so be it.

Why are you telling me all this? The second two paragraphs have already
been said, and I don't disagree with any of it.

As to the first paragraph, I see nothing wrong with asking Harry a question
about his boats. There is surely no reason for that question to open a can
of worms and cause a 'slug fest'. It seems that incessant name-calling,
personal insults, lies, and other forms of misbehavior would generate more
of a slug fest.

However, if one *does* live in a glass house, one shouldn't throw stones.


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John H

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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:21:31 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:01:17 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
.
As I have told you before, "Reggie," since you have no obvious
expertise, no stated profession, no boat that anyone has seen, and no
real name, I consider your opinions worthless.
Well if you are going to turn every discussion into personal insults it
really does limit your ability to have a discussion when you have a
difference of opinion.

Since I have no expertise in any subject, you really should be able to
do a good job debating, but you gave up as soon as someone disagreed
with you. All in all, your disagreement did stir up some boating and
boating mag. discussion.


Why would I want to "debate" someone with no expertise, no stated
profession, no boat that anyone has seen, and no real name?

I didn't "give up" debating you, "Reggie." I didn't play.

Speaking of 'never seen boats'...Harry, you mentioned being interested in
another boat. Are you considering the sale of the Parker and the 36'er, or
only one of them?
--
John H

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Yes.

Well, keep us posted. I may be interested once you've settled on a price.
Oh, that's for the Parker, not the big one.
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John H

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:01:17 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
.
As I have told you before, "Reggie," since you have no obvious
expertise, no stated profession, no boat that anyone has seen, and no
real name, I consider your opinions worthless.
Well if you are going to turn every discussion into personal insults it
really does limit your ability to have a discussion when you have a
difference of opinion.

Since I have no expertise in any subject, you really should be able to
do a good job debating, but you gave up as soon as someone disagreed
with you. All in all, your disagreement did stir up some boating and
boating mag. discussion.


Why would I want to "debate" someone with no expertise, no stated
profession, no boat that anyone has seen, and no real name?

I didn't "give up" debating you, "Reggie." I didn't play.

Speaking of 'never seen boats'...Harry, you mentioned being interested in
another boat. Are you considering the sale of the Parker and the 36'er,
or
only one of them?
--
John H

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Yes.



Don't be so definite. I would think that a 'could be' scenario should also
be considered, especially considering the fact that Harry Potter may be
killed off in the next book.

But then again, it could be a 'no' scenario if Ohio State wins the National
Championship next this upcoming college football season.

So the correct answer should be "Yes, Could Be and No." ;-)

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:36:05 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:21:31 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:01:17 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
.
As I have told you before, "Reggie," since you have no obvious
expertise, no stated profession, no boat that anyone has seen, and no
real name, I consider your opinions worthless.
Well if you are going to turn every discussion into personal insults it
really does limit your ability to have a discussion when you have a
difference of opinion.

Since I have no expertise in any subject, you really should be able to
do a good job debating, but you gave up as soon as someone disagreed
with you. All in all, your disagreement did stir up some boating and
boating mag. discussion.

Why would I want to "debate" someone with no expertise, no stated
profession, no boat that anyone has seen, and no real name?

I didn't "give up" debating you, "Reggie." I didn't play.
Speaking of 'never seen boats'...Harry, you mentioned being interested in
another boat. Are you considering the sale of the Parker and the 36'er, or
only one of them?
--
John H

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Yes.

Well, keep us posted. I may be interested once you've settled on a price.
Oh, that's for the Parker, not the big one.
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John H

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Email me an tentative, non-binding offer, and I'll let you know what I
think. If I "list" it, I'll list it high, of course, and see what comes up.

I'd rather wait and let more depreciation kick in. Also, I'm still in the
thinking stage, as you said you were. Plus, I've got another boat to get
rid of first!
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:43:35 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:36:05 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:21:31 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:01:17 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
.
As I have told you before, "Reggie," since you have no obvious
expertise, no stated profession, no boat that anyone has seen, and no
real name, I consider your opinions worthless.
Well if you are going to turn every discussion into personal insults it
really does limit your ability to have a discussion when you have a
difference of opinion.

Since I have no expertise in any subject, you really should be able to
do a good job debating, but you gave up as soon as someone disagreed
with you. All in all, your disagreement did stir up some boating and
boating mag. discussion.
Why would I want to "debate" someone with no expertise, no stated
profession, no boat that anyone has seen, and no real name?

I didn't "give up" debating you, "Reggie." I didn't play.
Speaking of 'never seen boats'...Harry, you mentioned being interested in
another boat. Are you considering the sale of the Parker and the 36'er, or
only one of them?
--
John H

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Yes.
Well, keep us posted. I may be interested once you've settled on a price.
Oh, that's for the Parker, not the big one.
--
John H

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Email me an tentative, non-binding offer, and I'll let you know what I
think. If I "list" it, I'll list it high, of course, and see what comes up.

I'd rather wait and let more depreciation kick in. Also, I'm still in the
thinking stage, as you said you were. Plus, I've got another boat to get
rid of first!
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You'd be amazed at how little my Parker has depreciated. Absolutely
amazed. I can still get 90-95% of what I paid.

I know. I've seen the prices of the new ones! I wonder how they're selling
this year. I still like that 22' Grady with the 'Grady Transom'. My wife
retires next year, so we thinking of moving out of the DC area shortly
thereafter. We've not yet decided where to go, and that decision will
influence whether or not I buy another boat and what kind of boat
(especially size-wise) that I buy.
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John H

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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:02:07 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:43:35 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:36:05 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:21:31 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:01:17 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
.
As I have told you before, "Reggie," since you have no obvious
expertise, no stated profession, no boat that anyone has seen, and no
real name, I consider your opinions worthless.
Well if you are going to turn every discussion into personal insults it
really does limit your ability to have a discussion when you have a
difference of opinion.

Since I have no expertise in any subject, you really should be able to
do a good job debating, but you gave up as soon as someone disagreed
with you. All in all, your disagreement did stir up some boating and
boating mag. discussion.
Why would I want to "debate" someone with no expertise, no stated
profession, no boat that anyone has seen, and no real name?

I didn't "give up" debating you, "Reggie." I didn't play.
Speaking of 'never seen boats'...Harry, you mentioned being interested in
another boat. Are you considering the sale of the Parker and the 36'er, or
only one of them?
--
John H

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Yes.
Well, keep us posted. I may be interested once you've settled on a price.
Oh, that's for the Parker, not the big one.
--
John H

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Email me an tentative, non-binding offer, and I'll let you know what I
think. If I "list" it, I'll list it high, of course, and see what comes up.
I'd rather wait and let more depreciation kick in. Also, I'm still in the
thinking stage, as you said you were. Plus, I've got another boat to get
rid of first!
--
John H

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You'd be amazed at how little my Parker has depreciated. Absolutely
amazed. I can still get 90-95% of what I paid.

I know. I've seen the prices of the new ones! I wonder how they're selling
this year. I still like that 22' Grady with the 'Grady Transom'. My wife
retires next year, so we thinking of moving out of the DC area shortly
thereafter. We've not yet decided where to go, and that decision will
influence whether or not I buy another boat and what kind of boat
(especially size-wise) that I buy.
--
John H


I was wondering how they were selling, too, so I asked my salesguy, and
he told me they're ahead of last year. He could be b.s.'ing me, but I
don't think so. He has no reason to do so.

A new Parker equipped like mine is about $80,000 now. I love it.

You can't go wrong with that Grady, either.

A friend of mine who retired a few years ago moved to the Northern Neck
of Virginia and says he and his wife like it "just fine." He lives
somewhere near Reedville.

The northern neck is definitely on the list of possibles, but the middle
neck is currently a little higher. Mathews, VA, has been mentioned as a
nice place. I'm going to take a motorcycle ride down through there in a few
weeks and just scout the whole area.
--
John H

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