The weather looks great for us this Memorial Day weekend and we may take the
boat out Saturday and Monday. I also want to give my son some first hand
experience to see how stupid some folks can be on the water and figure this
will be a great opportunity for it. I will be at the helm as I know how
crazy it will probably be.

He received his boating safety class certification over the winter by
attending the Power Squadron classes and I want to give him some on water
time fine tuning instructions before I allow him to take it out on his own.
I also plan to take him out (just him and me) next week to go over docking
and key features of the boat he needs to know.

The nicest day of the weekend (weather wise) is expected to be Sunday but we
will be happy being away from the boat that day...........that same son of
mine is graduating from High School that day and my daughter will be home
for the ceremony and celebratory dinner (that I am cooking). ;-)

So what are your plans?

JimH wrote:
The weather looks great for us this Memorial Day weekend and we may take the
boat out Saturday and Monday. I also want to give my son some first hand
experience to see how stupid some folks can be on the water and figure this
will be a great opportunity for it. I will be at the helm as I know how
crazy it will probably be.

He received his boating safety class certification over the winter by
attending the Power Squadron classes and I want to give him some on water
time fine tuning instructions before I allow him to take it out on his own.
I also plan to take him out (just him and me) next week to go over docking
and key features of the boat he needs to know.

The nicest day of the weekend (weather wise) is expected to be Sunday but we
will be happy being away from the boat that day...........that same son of
mine is graduating from High School that day and my daughter will be home
for the ceremony and celebratory dinner (that I am cooking). ;-)

So what are your plans?


Since Sunday should be sunny (maybe), I'll be busy building a pressure
treated fence along the east side of my backyard...where my garage was
until a couple of weeks ago. This week it's either raining or
threatening to rain...tough trying to set 4" x 4" posts in concrete.

"Don White" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
The weather looks great for us this Memorial Day weekend and we may take
the boat out Saturday and Monday. I also want to give my son some first
hand experience to see how stupid some folks can be on the water and
figure this will be a great opportunity for it. I will be at the helm as
I know how crazy it will probably be.

He received his boating safety class certification over the winter by
attending the Power Squadron classes and I want to give him some on
water time fine tuning instructions before I allow him to take it out on
his own. I also plan to take him out (just him and me) next week to go
over docking and key features of the boat he needs to know.

The nicest day of the weekend (weather wise) is expected to be Sunday but
we will be happy being away from the boat that day...........that same
son of mine is graduating from High School that day and my daughter will
be home for the ceremony and celebratory dinner (that I am cooking). ;-)

So what are your plans?
Since Sunday should be sunny (maybe), I'll be busy building a pressure
treated fence along the east side of my backyard...where my garage was
until a couple of weeks ago. This week it's either raining or threatening
to rain...tough trying to set 4" x 4" posts in concrete.

If the ground is wet just dig out the hole to the appropriate depth for your
area, widen out the hole base to form a footer, fill it with 2" of gravel,
set the post inside of it and pour in the dry quick set concrete. Use a
pole to probe the concrete mix to make sure there are no voids. Now
sprinkle with water. The concrete mix will wick the water you sprayed onto
it and most especially from the cavity walls and will
set.................and set firm

I used this method for years in this northern climate when setting posts for
fences, decks and basketball posts and have never run into a problem. I do,
however, make sure my holes are set deep enough for my winter climate.

JimH wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

JimH wrote:

The weather looks great for us this Memorial Day weekend and we may take
the boat out Saturday and Monday. I also want to give my son some first
hand experience to see how stupid some folks can be on the water and
figure this will be a great opportunity for it. I will be at the helm as
I know how crazy it will probably be.

He received his boating safety class certification over the winter by
attending the Power Squadron classes and I want to give him some on
water time fine tuning instructions before I allow him to take it out on
his own. I also plan to take him out (just him and me) next week to go
over docking and key features of the boat he needs to know.

The nicest day of the weekend (weather wise) is expected to be Sunday but
we will be happy being away from the boat that day...........that same
son of mine is graduating from High School that day and my daughter will
be home for the ceremony and celebratory dinner (that I am cooking). ;-)

So what are your plans?

Since Sunday should be sunny (maybe), I'll be busy building a pressure
treated fence along the east side of my backyard...where my garage was
until a couple of weeks ago. This week it's either raining or threatening
to rain...tough trying to set 4" x 4" posts in concrete.


If the ground is wet just dig out the hole to the appropriate depth for your
area, widen out the hole base to form a footer, fill it with 2" of gravel,
set the post inside of it and pour in the dry quick set concrete. Use a
pole to probe the concrete mix to make sure there are no voids. Now
sprinkle with water. The concrete mix will wick the water you sprayed onto
it and most especially from the cavity walls and will
set.................and set firm

I used this method for years in this northern climate when setting posts for
fences, decks and basketball posts and have never run into a problem. I do,
however, make sure my holes are set deep enough for my winter climate.


We'll be using 8" 'SonoTube' to set the post in and will fill cavity
remaining with the concrete mix. (eventually backfilling around tube
with earth) Here they recommend from 3.5 to 4 feet below grade to avoid
frost heaves. Digging holes that deep by hand can be tiring when
hitting large rocks, roots etc.

JimH wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
The weather looks great for us this Memorial Day weekend and we may take
the boat out Saturday and Monday. I also want to give my son some first
hand experience to see how stupid some folks can be on the water and
figure this will be a great opportunity for it. I will be at the helm as
I know how crazy it will probably be.

He received his boating safety class certification over the winter by
attending the Power Squadron classes and I want to give him some on
water time fine tuning instructions before I allow him to take it out on
his own. I also plan to take him out (just him and me) next week to go
over docking and key features of the boat he needs to know.

The nicest day of the weekend (weather wise) is expected to be Sunday but
we will be happy being away from the boat that day...........that same
son of mine is graduating from High School that day and my daughter will
be home for the ceremony and celebratory dinner (that I am cooking). ;-)

So what are your plans?
Since Sunday should be sunny (maybe), I'll be busy building a pressure
treated fence along the east side of my backyard...where my garage was
until a couple of weeks ago. This week it's either raining or threatening
to rain...tough trying to set 4" x 4" posts in concrete.

If the ground is wet just dig out the hole to the appropriate depth for your
area, widen out the hole base to form a footer, fill it with 2" of gravel,
set the post inside of it and pour in the dry quick set concrete. Use a
pole to probe the concrete mix to make sure there are no voids. Now
sprinkle with water. The concrete mix will wick the water you sprayed onto
it and most especially from the cavity walls and will
set.................and set firm

I used this method for years in this northern climate when setting posts for
fences, decks and basketball posts and have never run into a problem. I do,
however, make sure my holes are set deep enough for my winter climate.

Contrary to popular belief, you shouldn't encase PT lumber in concrete.
You should instead pour a footing/pier (NOT "footer") then use a
Simpson or equal post bracket that get's the PT off of the concrete.
Concrete always holds moisture, so exposes the PT lumber to rot.
This being said, I do it the way you've mentioned, and my fence has
been in place 11 years, not rotted yet. A good trick though, is to use
put a couple of 16d nails in the bottom of the post but don't drive
them home, leaving about half the nail exposed. This will prevent
uplift after the concrete sets.

basskisser wrote:
JimH wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
The weather looks great for us this Memorial Day weekend and we may take
the boat out Saturday and Monday. I also want to give my son some first
hand experience to see how stupid some folks can be on the water and
figure this will be a great opportunity for it. I will be at the helm as
I know how crazy it will probably be.

He received his boating safety class certification over the winter by
attending the Power Squadron classes and I want to give him some on
water time fine tuning instructions before I allow him to take it out on
his own. I also plan to take him out (just him and me) next week to go
over docking and key features of the boat he needs to know.

The nicest day of the weekend (weather wise) is expected to be Sunday but
we will be happy being away from the boat that day...........that same
son of mine is graduating from High School that day and my daughter will
be home for the ceremony and celebratory dinner (that I am cooking). ;-)

So what are your plans?
Since Sunday should be sunny (maybe), I'll be busy building a pressure
treated fence along the east side of my backyard...where my garage was
until a couple of weeks ago. This week it's either raining or threatening
to rain...tough trying to set 4" x 4" posts in concrete.
If the ground is wet just dig out the hole to the appropriate depth for your
area, widen out the hole base to form a footer, fill it with 2" of gravel,
set the post inside of it and pour in the dry quick set concrete. Use a
pole to probe the concrete mix to make sure there are no voids. Now
sprinkle with water. The concrete mix will wick the water you sprayed onto
it and most especially from the cavity walls and will
set.................and set firm

I used this method for years in this northern climate when setting posts for
fences, decks and basketball posts and have never run into a problem. I do,
however, make sure my holes are set deep enough for my winter climate.

Contrary to popular belief, you shouldn't encase PT lumber in concrete.
You should instead pour a footing/pier (NOT "footer") then use a
Simpson or equal post bracket that get's the PT off of the concrete.
Concrete always holds moisture, so exposes the PT lumber to rot.
This being said, I do it the way you've mentioned, and my fence has
been in place 11 years, not rotted yet. A good trick though, is to use
put a couple of 16d nails in the bottom of the post but don't drive
them home, leaving about half the nail exposed. This will prevent
uplift after the concrete sets.

A home inspector will highlight and emphasize the problems of placing PT
wood directly into concrete. It will rot out substantially faster than
if the wood is attached correctly to a footing.

Every home improvement show I have watched has highlighted the dangers
of placing PT directly into the dirt of concrete.

--
Reggie

That's my story and I am sticking to it.

Reginald P. Smithers wrote:
basskisser wrote:

JimH wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...

JimH wrote:

The weather looks great for us this Memorial Day weekend and we may
take
the boat out Saturday and Monday. I also want to give my son some
first
hand experience to see how stupid some folks can be on the water and
figure this will be a great opportunity for it. I will be at the
helm as
I know how crazy it will probably be.

He received his boating safety class certification over the winter by
attending the Power Squadron classes and I want to give him some on
water time fine tuning instructions before I allow him to take it
out on
his own. I also plan to take him out (just him and me) next week to go
over docking and key features of the boat he needs to know.

The nicest day of the weekend (weather wise) is expected to be
Sunday but
we will be happy being away from the boat that day...........that same
son of mine is graduating from High School that day and my daughter
will
be home for the ceremony and celebratory dinner (that I am
cooking). ;-)

So what are your plans?

Since Sunday should be sunny (maybe), I'll be busy building a pressure
treated fence along the east side of my backyard...where my garage was
until a couple of weeks ago. This week it's either raining or
threatening
to rain...tough trying to set 4" x 4" posts in concrete.

If the ground is wet just dig out the hole to the appropriate depth
for your
area, widen out the hole base to form a footer, fill it with 2" of
gravel,
set the post inside of it and pour in the dry quick set concrete.
Use a
pole to probe the concrete mix to make sure there are no voids. Now
sprinkle with water. The concrete mix will wick the water you
sprayed onto
it and most especially from the cavity walls and will
set.................and set firm

I used this method for years in this northern climate when setting
posts for
fences, decks and basketball posts and have never run into a
problem. I do,
however, make sure my holes are set deep enough for my winter climate.


Contrary to popular belief, you shouldn't encase PT lumber in concrete.
You should instead pour a footing/pier (NOT "footer") then use a
Simpson or equal post bracket that get's the PT off of the concrete.
Concrete always holds moisture, so exposes the PT lumber to rot.
This being said, I do it the way you've mentioned, and my fence has
been in place 11 years, not rotted yet. A good trick though, is to use
put a couple of 16d nails in the bottom of the post but don't drive
them home, leaving about half the nail exposed. This will prevent
uplift after the concrete sets.

A home inspector will highlight and emphasize the problems of placing PT
wood directly into concrete. It will rot out substantially faster than
if the wood is attached correctly to a footing.

Every home improvement show I have watched has highlighted the dangers
of placing PT directly into the dirt of concrete.


This site seems to think PT lumber & concrete can work together.
http://wilwaylumber.com/howto/howto082.htm
same with this one..
http://ak.essortment.com/fencepostinsta_nfm.htm
and another..
http://www.theworkshop.net/Tips/htm/...howtobuild.htm

JimH wrote:
The weather looks great for us this Memorial Day weekend and we may take the
boat out Saturday and Monday. I also want to give my son some first hand
experience to see how stupid some folks can be on the water and figure this
will be a great opportunity for it. I will be at the helm as I know how
crazy it will probably be.

He received his boating safety class certification over the winter by
attending the Power Squadron classes and I want to give him some on water
time fine tuning instructions before I allow him to take it out on his own.
I also plan to take him out (just him and me) next week to go over docking
and key features of the boat he needs to know.

The nicest day of the weekend (weather wise) is expected to be Sunday but we
will be happy being away from the boat that day...........that same son of
mine is graduating from High School that day and my daughter will be home
for the ceremony and celebratory dinner (that I am cooking). ;-)

So what are your plans?

Indulgence is now about 3 weeks from done. I'll be up at the boatyard
on Sunday and Monday paying homage to the goddess Bernice. I haven't
been able to convice my wife to join me. She keeps saying that whenever
the boat needs work (or costs money) that it's
*my* boat. Go figure? She's happy enough to spend a few weeks on "my"
boat every year- and I notice she has a keen interest in choosing new
window coverings, etc. Aw well, looks like it will just be me and
Bernice this weekend.

(Bernice was a Norse goddess of the woodlands, and her name is the
etymological root for
"varnish"- a product that essentially uses the essence of wood itself
to enhance the appearance the material's appearance.)

Exuma bound for 10 days!!!! 1 more day to prep and then we cast off
Friday AM.

wrote:
JimH wrote:

The weather looks great for us this Memorial Day weekend and we may take the
boat out Saturday and Monday. I also want to give my son some first hand
experience to see how stupid some folks can be on the water and figure this
will be a great opportunity for it. I will be at the helm as I know how
crazy it will probably be.

He received his boating safety class certification over the winter by
attending the Power Squadron classes and I want to give him some on water
time fine tuning instructions before I allow him to take it out on his own.
I also plan to take him out (just him and me) next week to go over docking
and key features of the boat he needs to know.

The nicest day of the weekend (weather wise) is expected to be Sunday but we
will be happy being away from the boat that day...........that same son of
mine is graduating from High School that day and my daughter will be home
for the ceremony and celebratory dinner (that I am cooking). ;-)

So what are your plans?


Indulgence is now about 3 weeks from done. I'll be up at the boatyard
on Sunday and Monday paying homage to the goddess Bernice. I haven't
been able to convice my wife to join me. She keeps saying that whenever
the boat needs work (or costs money) that it's
*my* boat. Go figure? She's happy enough to spend a few weeks on "my"
boat every year- and I notice she has a keen interest in choosing new
window coverings, etc. Aw well, looks like it will just be me and
Bernice this weekend.

(Bernice was a Norse goddess of the woodlands, and her name is the
etymological root for
"varnish"- a product that essentially uses the essence of wood itself
to enhance the appearance the material's appearance.)

On Wed, 24 May 2006 17:05:19 -0400, " JimH"
jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote:



So what are your plans?


We'll be out on Sunday... but it's nothing new. I already have a tan,
and have run through a couple of tanks of (expensive) gas.

South Carolina is almost as good as Florida in some ways, and far
better in others! We're way into boating season already.

Jack