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Actually, I didn't break the law. I didn't get called up. However, I
would've gone to prison before I would've served.

Well, that's to your credit; I guess.

Yeah. I stand behind my convictions, unlike the empty head in the
White House at the moment. Now, what about the question you pretended
not to see? In what year did you figure out that the Vietnam war was a
sham?

No comment.


Coward.

No! Just not interested in talking about politics. Harry's your man for
that.


Bull****. What did you expect when you began this thread? A discussion of
cookie recipes?

Well meathead, I guess you haven't been following along. I posted a link to
a recent news article that reported on a bunch of jerks who decided to erect
a statue honoring draft dodging cowards of 4 decades ago. I didn't realize
that so many of you are sympathetic of their actions. You sympathizers are a
shameful lot of self centered, selfish, egotistical, liberal, disrespectful,
*******s.

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Great! The suits who invented the domino theory knew by the late
1960s that it was nonsense, and that's what the entire war was based
on. All presidents are the target of various so-called scholars and
shmexperts. Many of us figured out early on that the North Vietnamese
were not going to burn their way through the south and invade
Australia next. Do you remember this nonsense?



Doug, you are chanting a typical shallow and simplistic post mortem of a
very complex set of circumstances, alliances, and political commitments
that took place over many years, mired also in corruption. In the end it
came down to justifying the continuance of policies that weren't working
or were no longer purposeful.
If you simply believe it was all based on the "domino" theory, then it
was you that was duped.

RCE


Like the other two personal wars, it was based on weak presidents who
succumbed to bad advice, thus demonstrating their complete inability to
manage and think for themselves.


So, as it relates to Vietnam, your list of weak Presidents must include:

Harry S Truman
Dwight D. Eisenhower
John F. Kenney
Lyndon Johnson
Richard M. Nixon
Gerald Ford

and, then, to make everything "ok"

Jimmy Carter.

RCE

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Great! The suits who invented the domino theory knew by the late
1960s that it was nonsense, and that's what the entire war was based
on. All presidents are the target of various so-called scholars and
shmexperts. Many of us figured out early on that the North Vietnamese
were not going to burn their way through the south and invade
Australia next. Do you remember this nonsense?



Doug, you are chanting a typical shallow and simplistic post mortem of a
very complex set of circumstances, alliances, and political commitments
that took place over many years, mired also in corruption. In the end
it came down to justifying the continuance of policies that weren't
working or were no longer purposeful.
If you simply believe it was all based on the "domino" theory, then it
was you that was duped.

RCE


Like the other two personal wars, it was based on weak presidents who
succumbed to bad advice, thus demonstrating their complete inability to
manage and think for themselves.


So, as it relates to Vietnam, your list of weak Presidents must include:

Harry S Truman
Dwight D. Eisenhower
John F. Kenney
Lyndon Johnson
Richard M. Nixon
Gerald Ford

and, then, to make everything "ok"

Jimmy Carter.

RCE


And, while we are at it, we should also add to your list the countries of:

Australia
France
Great Britain
New Zealand
Pakistan
the Philippines
Thailand

all of whom signed the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO) in 1954
under the Southeast Asia Collective Defense Treaty along with the US.

RCE

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Why does it matter? New rules? Nobody can talk about this if they
haven't served?
It has nothing to do with talking, everybody can do that with
exception to those that can't physically talk.

If somebody asks a medical questions and you respond with an answer.
Are they entitled to know if you are medical professional and at
what level?

Opinions can have weight and that weight is in direct proportion to
the the education and experience of the person giving the opinion.

Would you let the guy taking his first auto mechanics class rebuild
your car's engine? Do you want your doctor's first surgery to be the
one he performs on you?
As expected, all stupid analogies. This discussion is about the
propriety of certain wars. You do not need military service to
discuss this issue. Be careful about disagreeing with that statement.
It's a trap.
As I stated your opinion has value if it is valued. Your opinions have
not valued because they are not valued by others.

Your president created a war, but served no time in the military. Based
on that, ANYONE is welcome to an opinion about the validity of certain
wars.
Your President loathed the military just like you.

Irrelevant.
Why? Clinton used the military without obtaining congress' approval. Do
you condemn Clinton's actions?

Back up. No detours. We're talking about Vietnam. No breaks for you here.

Wrong. You are focusing on Vietnam but, the rest of us look at the
entire world rather than just a small part.

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I have a question for you. Is it possible that today, you might
know something I don't, and that a year from now, I might also know
the same thing?

Yes

Great! The suits who invented the domino theory knew by the late
1960s that it was nonsense, and that's what the entire war was based
on. All presidents are the target of various so-called scholars and
shmexperts. Many of us figured out early on that the North Vietnamese
were not going to burn their way through the south and invade
Australia next. Do you remember this nonsense?
You are intellectually dishonest.
It appears you ran out of steam without being able to explain that
statement.
I mad the assumption that you are an educated man and you would
understand. However, you have proved to be just an arrogant and
argumentative prick again!


You still haven't explained what you mean. My qualities bear no
relationship to your inability to explain yourself. I've stated facts
which history has proven out. If you dispute them, back up your
statements.
I don't have to explain what I mean, it is clear to those that do not have
clouded vision like you do.

History is not on your side. From the time Stalin consolidated his power
within the USSR the USSR was actively promoting communism all around the
world. Finally it took a man, one man, to stand up call the communists
what they actually were which put an end to spread of communism.



And who was that one man?

You know who he was? You could call him 40.

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Haven't you got anything better than your tired and worn "meat sock" barb?
You claim to be a smart guy, put some effort into coming up with something
better.


When you're a bit faster than my toaster, I'll put more effort into it.


How will you tell? Your toaster is far faster than you.

On Sun, 7 May 2006 21:10:38 -0400, "RCE" wrote:

the draft dodgers were faceless and voiceless people who were more
despised than revered

Ironic that they had so much in common with the folks who actually got
drafted, did the fighting, and died.

bb

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The person that filled your slot may have been killed in action.

The same could be said for Bush, most of his administration, and lots
of members of congress and the senate.

bb

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Actually, I didn't break the law. I didn't get called up. However,
I would've gone to prison before I would've served.

Well, that's to your credit; I guess.

Yeah. I stand behind my convictions, unlike the empty head in the
White House at the moment. Now, what about the question you pretended
not to see? In what year did you figure out that the Vietnam war was
a sham?

No comment.


Coward.

No! Just not interested in talking about politics. Harry's your man for
that.


Bull****. What did you expect when you began this thread? A discussion of
cookie recipes?

Well meathead, I guess you haven't been following along. I posted a link
to a recent news article that reported on a bunch of jerks who decided to
erect a statue honoring draft dodging cowards of 4 decades ago. I didn't
realize that so many of you are sympathetic of their actions. You
sympathizers are a shameful lot of self centered, selfish, egotistical,
liberal, disrespectful, *******s.


No matter how I handled that era, it beats be a mindless robot and agreeing
to murder people who posed absolutely NO threat to this country.

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Why does it matter? New rules? Nobody can talk about this if they
haven't served?
It has nothing to do with talking, everybody can do that with
exception to those that can't physically talk.

If somebody asks a medical questions and you respond with an
answer. Are they entitled to know if you are medical professional
and at what level?

Opinions can have weight and that weight is in direct proportion
to the the education and experience of the person giving the
opinion.

Would you let the guy taking his first auto mechanics class
rebuild your car's engine? Do you want your doctor's first surgery
to be the one he performs on you?
As expected, all stupid analogies. This discussion is about the
propriety of certain wars. You do not need military service to
discuss this issue. Be careful about disagreeing with that
statement. It's a trap.
As I stated your opinion has value if it is valued. Your opinions
have not valued because they are not valued by others.

Your president created a war, but served no time in the military.
Based on that, ANYONE is welcome to an opinion about the validity of
certain wars.
Your President loathed the military just like you.

Irrelevant.
Why? Clinton used the military without obtaining congress' approval. Do
you condemn Clinton's actions?

Back up. No detours. We're talking about Vietnam. No breaks for you here.

Wrong. You are focusing on Vietnam but, the rest of us look at the entire
world rather than just a small part.



No detours. A valid war does not justify the next one if it's invalid. No
breaks for you here.