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Noah,
This is a perfect example of the kind of info you can expect to read in any NG, Gould, one of the more knowledgeable boaters in the NG, throws out a theory that maybe the NE Blackout is the result of a terrorist attack. Is this accurate, as of now it does not appear to be, but it is a great way to start a bull**** discussion that will soon evolve into a political discussion. "noah" wrote in message ... On 14 Aug 2003 23:13:02 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Within the last couple of days they arrested two guys at the Seattle airport. One was on the "do not fly" list. Both had Pakistani passports, and had slipped illegally into the US across the Candian border at Blaine. Both guys paid cash for one-way tickets to NY. Was it a coincidence that they wanted to be in NY this afternoon? Probably. At first, I wondered the same as you did. As this thing unfolds, it seems that our local northern NY power company, Niagara Mohawk, experienced a major failure, and knocked down the Northeast grid like a box of Dominos. Coincidently, Niagara Mohawk was sold to a British Corporation a few years ago, and service has suffered ever since. In my opinion, we are vulnerable enough when our utilities are controlled by corporate interests. We are even more vulnerable, as a society, when our utilities are controlled by a foreign corporate interest. I am one of the lucky few with electricity tonight. My daughter is still stuck on a Metro train in NY, trying to get home to Albany. ***News Flash*** NBC just announced a report that lightning struck a Niagara Mohawk powerplant, causing the cascade. What????? Regards from the Great, Dark, Northeast, noah |
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I am one of the lucky few with electricity tonight. My daughter is
still stuck on a Metro train in NY, trying to get home to Albany. I hope she returns home safely. As of now, everything looks pretty calm throughout the City. Wasn't the case in '77 ***News Flash*** NBC just announced a report that lightning struck a Niagara Mohawk powerplant, causing the cascade. What????? Funny, the weather records don't show any storm activity near the plant. http://www.srh.noaa.gov/data/obhistory/KIAG.html http://www.weathermatrix.net/2003/08...0308141800.gif |
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On 14 Aug 2003 18:33:05 -0500, noah
wrote: I am one of the lucky few with electricity tonight. My daughter is still stuck on a Metro train in NY, trying to get home to Albany. ***News Flash*** NBC just announced a report that lightning struck a Niagara Mohawk powerplant, causing the cascade. What????? Regards from the Great, Dark, Northeast, noah i'm sitting here in allentown, PA listening on VHF to the FDNY handle the situation. as usual, they are doing a great job. they're reporting the CG tells them there's a fire on governor's island. these folks really are the best. --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
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"Bill Cole" wrote in message .net...
Noah, This is a perfect example of the kind of info you can expect to read in any NG, Gould, one of the more knowledgeable boaters in the NG, throws out a theory that maybe the NE Blackout is the result of a terrorist attack. Is this accurate, as of now it does not appear to be, but it is a great way to start a bull**** discussion that will soon evolve into a political discussion. It was just a THEORY that Gould threw out there, along with facts that could possibly point in that direction. Do you have any information to the contrary, to back up YOUR statement that it is "bull****"? |
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"Joe" wrote in message .. .
I am one of the lucky few with electricity tonight. My daughter is still stuck on a Metro train in NY, trying to get home to Albany. I hope she returns home safely. As of now, everything looks pretty calm throughout the City. Wasn't the case in '77 ***News Flash*** NBC just announced a report that lightning struck a Niagara Mohawk powerplant, causing the cascade. What????? Funny, the weather records don't show any storm activity near the plant. http://www.srh.noaa.gov/data/obhistory/KIAG.html http://www.weathermatrix.net/2003/08...0308141800.gif JoeTechnician, Seeings how you (you think) are the most intelligent, most sought after engineer (sic) on the planet, hasn't Bush contacted you to get to the bottom of this? Or perhaps he realizes you are a liar, and are busy pulling cable. |
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Bass,
I was not saying that Gould's theory was bull****, nor do I believe that Gould necessarily supported the theory. I read Gould's post as a way to promote an off the cuff discussion (which in my neighborhood was called a shooting the bull, or bull****). The only info I have is the same as most of the readers in the NG, the power experts believe that the problem was not the result of terrorist, but was a combination of natural factors that overwhelmed the system. Now, if I said that the power failure was the result of Flying Saucers stealing our power, do you have any proof that my statement is bull****? "basskisser" wrote in message om... "Bill Cole" wrote in message .net... Noah, This is a perfect example of the kind of info you can expect to read in any NG, Gould, one of the more knowledgeable boaters in the NG, throws out a theory that maybe the NE Blackout is the result of a terrorist attack. Is this accurate, as of now it does not appear to be, but it is a great way to start a bull**** discussion that will soon evolve into a political discussion. It was just a THEORY that Gould threw out there, along with facts that could possibly point in that direction. Do you have any information to the contrary, to back up YOUR statement that it is "bull****"? |
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 03:29:26 GMT, "Joe" wrote:
I am one of the lucky few with electricity tonight. My daughter is still stuck on a Metro train in NY, trying to get home to Albany. I hope she returns home safely. As of now, everything looks pretty calm throughout the City. Wasn't the case in '77 ***News Flash*** NBC just announced a report that lightning struck a Niagara Mohawk powerplant, causing the cascade. What????? Funny, the weather records don't show any storm activity near the plant. http://www.srh.noaa.gov/data/obhistory/KIAG.html http://www.weathermatrix.net/2003/08...0308141800.gif Thanks for your good wishes, Joe. My daughter is home, safe and sound, about 12 hours behind schedule. noah |
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"Bill Cole" wrote in message
. net... Noah, This is a perfect example of the kind of info you can expect to read in any NG, Gould, one of the more knowledgeable boaters in the NG, throws out a theory that maybe the NE Blackout is the result of a terrorist attack. Is this accurate, as of now it does not appear to be, but it is a great way to start a bull**** discussion that will soon evolve into a political discussion. It's as valid as President Nookular repeating the yet unproven theory that lightning around the Niagara River caused the blackout. I have friends who were fishing the river yesterday. No clouds. Meanwhile: Anyone who's awake has seen news stories about how vulnerable our infrastructure is because of computer security problems. It is entirely possible that this blackout WAS caused by terrorists, but not the kinds who use explosives or airliners. If this is the case, it is also possible that it is still undetected. |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
... On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:42:04 -0400, JohnH wrote: ...snips.... I'm just waiting now for Sen Kennedy to call for guards at every computer, electrical tower, dam, and river that exists in the USA. Our mutual contempt for the Kennedys aside.... Would this not be the stated objective of the Office of Homeland Defense? It would be, but the tax cut has required the trimming of budgets for many of the services promised by President Nookular Boy after 9/11. |
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but the National Weather Service said
the closest lightning strike in the area was hundreds of miles away, in Maryland. But....the president repeated that rumor. It must be true. The lightning was purchased secretly on the international arms market. From Africa. In the unlikely event that it *was* a terrorist attack, we'd be smart to blame it on lightning. Take away the credit for the disaster, and the air is let out of the terrorist balloon double quick. You want to P off the terrorists? Make sure they stay out of the news. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
... but the National Weather Service said the closest lightning strike in the area was hundreds of miles away, in Maryland. But....the president repeated that rumor. It must be true. The lightning was purchased secretly on the international arms market. From Africa. In the unlikely event that it *was* a terrorist attack, we'd be smart to blame it on lightning. Take away the credit for the disaster, and the air is let out of the terrorist balloon double quick. You want to P off the terrorists? Make sure they stay out of the news. That would be smart but it certainly wouldn't be the course this administration would take. You can be certain if there was a whiff of possibility this could've been attributable to human hands, the White House would've used the opportunity to bolster poll numbers. |
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JohnH wrote:
I have seen no statement to the effect that the Office of Homeland Defense desires to spend irresponsibly. In my opinion, the Democrats would do so if they could. Well, of course, John...your opinion on every matter is colored by your personal right-wing extremism. Despite that, you seem a decent guy. But you'd be so much better if you replaced your blinders with a bit of sarvodaya and satyagraha, eh. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:07:45 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: JohnH wrote: I have seen no statement to the effect that the Office of Homeland Defense desires to spend irresponsibly. In my opinion, the Democrats would do so if they could. Well, of course, John...your opinion on every matter is colored by your personal right-wing extremism. Despite that, you seem a decent guy. But you'd be so much better if you replaced your blinders with a bit of sarvodaya and satyagraha, eh. Harry, My 'right-wing extremism,' as you describe what you perceive through the shaded lens of liberalism, has been colored by the inanities I continue to hear spewing from the mouths of some Democrats. You questioned my name calling comment in a recent post. That comment was prompted by: "The Washington Times? The Moonie Paper? Hehehe. Trash is as trash reads/" Seems like name-calling to me, but I could be wrong, again. Respectfully, John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD |
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JohnH wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:07:45 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: I have seen no statement to the effect that the Office of Homeland Defense desires to spend irresponsibly. In my opinion, the Democrats would do so if they could. Well, of course, John...your opinion on every matter is colored by your personal right-wing extremism. Despite that, you seem a decent guy. But you'd be so much better if you replaced your blinders with a bit of sarvodaya and satyagraha, eh. Harry, My 'right-wing extremism,' as you describe what you perceive through the shaded lens of liberalism, has been colored by the inanities I continue to hear spewing from the mouths of some Democrats. You questioned my name calling comment in a recent post. That comment was prompted by: "The Washington Times? The Moonie Paper? Hehehe. Trash is as trash reads/" Seems like name-calling to me, but I could be wrong, again. Respectfully, John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD John...the Washington Times *is* the Moonie paper. It is the propaganda arm of the Rev. Moon's "Unification Church." One of Moon's zampolit colonels is at the paper every day, reading every word for political appropriateness and Moonie correctness, making sure the paper extolls just the right amount of right-wing doctrine. Are you claiming the right-wing extremist slant of that rag is not noticed by you? -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:06:53 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: JohnH wrote: On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:07:45 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: I have seen no statement to the effect that the Office of Homeland Defense desires to spend irresponsibly. In my opinion, the Democrats would do so if they could. Well, of course, John...your opinion on every matter is colored by your personal right-wing extremism. Despite that, you seem a decent guy. But you'd be so much better if you replaced your blinders with a bit of sarvodaya and satyagraha, eh. Harry, My 'right-wing extremism,' as you describe what you perceive through the shaded lens of liberalism, has been colored by the inanities I continue to hear spewing from the mouths of some Democrats. You questioned my name calling comment in a recent post. That comment was prompted by: "The Washington Times? The Moonie Paper? Hehehe. Trash is as trash reads/" Seems like name-calling to me, but I could be wrong, again. Respectfully, John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD John...the Washington Times *is* the Moonie paper. It is the propaganda arm of the Rev. Moon's "Unification Church." One of Moon's zampolit colonels is at the paper every day, reading every word for political appropriateness and Moonie correctness, making sure the paper extolls just the right amount of right-wing doctrine. Are you claiming the right-wing extremist slant of that rag is not noticed by you? Harry, I posted the Wash. Times piece, followed by the equivalent Wash. Post piece on the same subject, Wal-Mart and retail consumer spending. Both articles said roughly the same thing. Are you trying to tell me that the Washington Times article was a lie, but the Washington Post article was not? Do you consider the Washington Times further right of center than the NY Times is to the left? Whether or not I read or only copy articles from the Wash. Times is beside the point. The point is your calling one "trash" for reading something with which you apparently disagree, unless your position is supported. Regards, John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD |
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JohnH wrote:
Do you consider the Washington Times further right of center than the NY Times is to the left? Absolutely. The Wash Times is in outer space, and is the propaganda arm of Rev. Moon. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:05:52 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:19:46 -0400, JohnH wrote: On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:24:50 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:42:04 -0400, JohnH wrote: ...snips.... I'm just waiting now for Sen Kennedy to call for guards at every computer, electrical tower, dam, and river that exists in the USA. Our mutual contempt for the Kennedys aside.... Would this not be the stated objective of the Office of Homeland Defense? I have seen no statement to the effect that the Office of Homeland Defense desires to spend irresponsibly. In my opinion, the Democrats would do so if they could. I firmly believe they would post a guard for every container that enters the country, as long as the guards could be members of the AFGE. Check out http://www.whitehouse.gov/homeland/ and see if you think your 2 Billion Dollars is being well spent..... My personal views are colored by the fact that I work at an airport and I see the fruits of the money spent. I am totally underwhelmed... Gene, Hell no I don't think the money is well spent. I think the Democrats and their whining about the "lack of security" have caused money to be wasted, big-time. My attitude about securing an airplane from being used as a weapon is simple: Keep the damn cockpit doors closed. Amen. Airplane cannot be used as a weapon without cockpit access. The emphasis on finding personal weapons, e.g. knives, box cutters, etc., seems a waste of time and money. I could do significant damage with a Cross ballpoint pen up a nose or through an ear drum. Yet, these are not removed from passengers. I think federalizing the security folks was a Democrat-pushed idea that the administration caved under. Why? Heat of the moment, decisions based on urgency and pressure rather than objective analysis. The Dems love the idea of thousands of new AFGE members, and a bigger government. Regards, John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD |
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Gene,
Hell no I don't think the money is well spent. I think the Democrats and their whining about the "lack of security" have caused money to be wasted, big-time. My attitude about securing an airplane from being used as a weapon is simple: Keep the damn cockpit doors closed. Amen. Airplane cannot be used as a weapon without cockpit access. The emphasis on finding personal weapons, e.g. knives, box cutters, etc., seems a waste of time and money. I could do significant damage with a Cross ballpoint pen up a nose or through an ear drum. Yet, these are not removed from passengers. I think federalizing the security folks was a Democrat-pushed idea that the administration caved under. Why? Heat of the moment, decisions based on urgency and pressure rather than objective analysis. The Dems love the idea of thousands of new AFGE members, and a bigger government. Regards, John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD Good grief, John. You've gone around the bend. Do you suppose the democrats have a GWB double? Do you suppose they hog-tied the real president and sent the demo double up to the microphone at the press conference where GWB anounced the creation of the Dept of Homeland Security? Is the Chesapeake cold this time of year? If so, go jump in it and wake up. The Republican Party has made far more political hay off 9-11 than Al Qaida could ever dream of. "If we can keep the people afraid, they will pass Patriot Acts and believe our stories about nuclear threats from third world countries." And you're about 180 degrees off course on your union noise. One of the things that Ashcroft did when he brought all those federal departments under the "homeland security" heading was to eliminate collective bargaining rights for employees in those departments. It's an emergency, you know. LIkely to go on for years, or at least until well past the next fear-motivated election. |
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:58:15 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:24:13 -0400, JohnH wrote: On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:05:52 -0400, Gene Kearns wrote: I have seen no statement to the effect that the Office of Homeland Defense desires to spend irresponsibly. In my opinion, the Democrats would do so if they could. I firmly believe they would post a guard for every container that enters the country, as long as the guards could be members of the AFGE. Check out http://www.whitehouse.gov/homeland/ and see if you think your 2 Billion Dollars is being well spent..... My personal views are colored by the fact that I work at an airport and I see the fruits of the money spent. I am totally underwhelmed... Gene, Hell no I don't think the money is well spent. I think the Democrats and their whining about the "lack of security" have caused money to be wasted, big-time. My attitude about securing an airplane from being used as a weapon is simple: Keep the damn cockpit doors closed. Amen. Airplane cannot be used as a weapon without cockpit access. You say, "I have seen no statement to the effect that the Office of Homeland Defense desires to spend irresponsibly. In my opinion, the Democrats would do so if they could." And then you say, "Hell no I don't think the money is well spent. I think the Democrats and their whining about the "lack of security" have caused money to be wasted, big-time." You need to adopt a position other than: Democrats, BAD... Republicans, GOOD and stick with it..... You can't blame the Democrats for what the Republicans control. (Not that they didn't get some of the things they would have wanted, anyhow.) You can't keep the cockpit doors closed all of the time... not the way aircraft are designed. El Al does a pretty good job keeping their passengers safe.... maybe we could model THEM...... if the modeling was prevented, then you could pounce on liberal views and gun control nuts.... The emphasis on finding personal weapons, e.g. knives, box cutters, etc., seems a waste of time and money. I could do significant damage with a Cross ballpoint pen up a nose or through an ear drum. Yet, these are not removed from passengers. Amen... fingernail clippers, 3/4 inch long nail files, other WMD..... It goes MUCH deeper than this.... even to the people that are most frequently "screened"..... the pilots, who, if they want to keep their jobs must remain mum..... I think federalizing the security folks was a Democrat-pushed idea that the administration caved under. Why? Heat of the moment, decisions based on urgency and pressure rather than objective analysis. The Dems love the idea of thousands of new AFGE members, and a bigger government. The situation was fairly stupid, anyway. The Airlines were tasked with providing security. They bought the cheapest equipment and personnel they could find to get the job done.... usually through contractors They did, after all, have a profit motive. With 9/11, the Federal Government required them to buy equipment and hire personnel that they simply could not afford to purchase..... certainly, with nobody flying, fuel prices skyrocketing, and no revenue being generated. We already had the FAA which was starved for money. Why didn't we give *them* the money and personnel to get the job done. During the Clinton Administration they were cut back so severely that they didn't have travel budgets sufficient to do adequate routine surveillance. Mark them as victims, too.... during "orange" alerts, they can't even let people into the FAA building to transact normal business..... ever conducted business in a parking lot? Looking at the whole picture, I see nothing that indicates to me that the Republicans have done anything different than the Democrats in taking over another part of American life because they know what is best for my safety and THEY can do it better because, after all, they ARE the government..... and don't question ANY of this because it is a matter of National Security. Down side of this is that the previous workers have been replaced by minimum wage types and wholesale firings of these new "affordable" workers for unsuitability and illegal behavior has been the oft repeated result. You've never lived until you have been screened for any threat you might pose to America and the American people by a guy that doesn't quite have a grasp of the American Language. He want's to see my underwear and I want to see his Green Card..... This is especially aggravating to me, when I know some of the competent, experienced, and articulate people that this guy replaced.... because he would work cheaper and was selected by the government over the more experienced and qualified. Please don't couch all of this in Democrats, BAD... Republicans, GOOD rhetoric. Thus far, other that giving me a better sounding reason why this is "good" for me (and I'm speaking VERY generally) I feel just as violated by this Republican administration as I did by the Democrats. I'm not sure Algore would have done things significantly different. Frankly, that scares and unsettles me. Amen. They both screwed the pooch on this one. But, I think the Dems pushed in a little deeper. Respectfully, John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD |
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Chuck, how many senators voted for the Patriot Act? Thank God for the
elimination of collective bargaining rights for those folk. John 1. A whalloping majority of Senators. Wasn't it 90-something? Interesting that the first response of the government in a time of trauma was to curtail civil rights. What do we suppose would happen if the terrorists somehow "took over" the US? Gosh, I bet we'd lose our civil rights. 2. Please get consistent. First, you try to pass off the Department of Homeland Security as a Democratic conspiracy to increase the number of union jobs. Then, you "thank God" that the Dept of Homeland Security has suspended collective bargaining. Does it bother you in any way that you are being thankful for the complete refuting of your earlier, erroneous, inflammatory and prejudicial statement? |
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JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:47:07 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: Chuck, how many senators voted for the Patriot Act? Thank God for the elimination of collective bargaining rights for those folk. John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD That's our John...he'd bring back slavery if he could... Harry, the difference between being a working slave of a property owner, and a non-working, welfare-receiving deadbeat lies only in ownership. At least a slave could go to sleep feeling he had accomplished something during the day. John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD There are very few "non-working, welfare-receiving" deadbeats around these days, John. If you are talking about those who receive AFDC, the payments are to provide a subsistence existence for children. General welfare these days mostly is restricted to those incapable of working because of some medical reason. -- * * * email sent to will *never* get to me. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:47:07 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: JohnH wrote: Chuck, how many senators voted for the Patriot Act? Thank God for the elimination of collective bargaining rights for those folk. John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD That's our John...he'd bring back slavery if he could... Harry, the difference between being a working slave of a property owner, and a non-working, welfare-receiving deadbeat lies only in ownership. At least a slave could go to sleep feeling he had accomplished something during the day. John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD There are very few "non-working, welfare-receiving" deadbeats around these days, John. If you are talking about those who receive AFDC, the payments are to provide a subsistence existence for children. General welfare these days mostly is restricted to those incapable of working because of some medical reason. What planet do you live on? |
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I was kind of wondering the same thing.
-- Steve (here to have fun) Barker ======================= Remove the not dot from my address to abuse my email box "Jim" wrote in message news:t6x%a.133101$Oz4.26683@rwcrnsc54... What planet do you live on? |
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Within the last couple of days they arrested two guys at the Seattle airport.
One was on the "do not fly" list. Both had Pakistani passports, and had slipped illegally into the US across the Candian border at Blaine. Both guys paid cash for one-way tickets to NY. Was it a coincidence that they wanted to be in NY this afternoon? Probably. If the terrorists could knock out electic power without being caught wouldn't this be an effective way to blackmail us? Why would they need to do other stuff? |
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If the terrorists could knock out electic power without being caught
wouldn't this be an effective way to blackmail us? Why would they need to do other stuff? Absolutely. |
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Hey Chuckie, nice try with this attempted link to terrorists. But the sky is not
falling so relax. Have you read the paper the last few days? "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Within the last couple of days they arrested two guys at the Seattle airport. One was on the "do not fly" list. Both had Pakistani passports, and had slipped illegally into the US across the Candian border at Blaine. Both guys paid cash for one-way tickets to NY. Was it a coincidence that they wanted to be in NY this afternoon? Probably. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... If the terrorists could knock out electic power without being caught wouldn't this be an effective way to blackmail us? Why would they need to do other stuff? Absolutely. Relax Chuckie. The sky is not falling. There are no terrorists involved in this. Please take the time to read the paper and get informed. |
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Relax Chuckie. The sky is not falling. There are no terrorists involved in
this. Please take the time to read the paper and get informed. Gee thanks, Jimcrack. You're no smarter than when you were Dennis Compton, are you? Go back and look at the first post in the thread. The one where I said the terrorists taken off the flight to NY the day before the balckout was most likely a "coincidence". |
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If the terrorists could knock out electic power without being caught
wouldn't this be an effective way to blackmail us? Why would they need to do other stuff? Absolutely. Two points: 1. If the power outage was terrorism the USA could be quickly defeated in this way alone. But I don't think it was terrorism, I hope not anyway. 2. Why are we talking about this in rec.boats? :-) |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message om... Also, I heard the lightning theory also, but the National Weather Service said the closest lightning strike in the area was hundreds of miles away, in Maryland. But....the president repeated that rumor. It must be true. The lightning was purchased secretly on the international arms market. From Africa. I heard him refer one time to a lightning strike, and mentioned that it was not substantiated. Later on during the same remarks, he sounded as if he was going to mention it again, but then seemed to change his wording to something more generic. He was not running around repeating rumors of a lightning strike. |
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"Bill Cole" wrote in message .net...
Bass, I was not saying that Gould's theory was bull****, nor do I believe that Gould necessarily supported the theory. I read Gould's post as a way to promote an off the cuff discussion (which in my neighborhood was called a shooting the bull, or bull****). The only info I have is the same as most of the readers in the NG, the power experts believe that the problem was not the result of terrorist, but was a combination of natural factors that overwhelmed the system. Now, if I said that the power failure was the result of Flying Saucers stealing our power, do you have any proof that my statement is bull****? I wouldn't totally discount it, until all of the facts were in, especially when there were some circumstances that did seem out of place. As it were, they weren't connected, but at the time Gould put that theory out, it wasn't out of the realm of possiblility. |
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OK,
so you do agree that Gould's theory was a way of promoting a discussion on the power outage just to chat about it, not necessarily that there was any facts for anyone to base any theory on. So he was just trying to shoot the bull or have a bull**** discussion concerning the power outage. I can go along with that. "basskisser" wrote in message om... "Bill Cole" wrote in message .net... Bass, I was not saying that Gould's theory was bull****, nor do I believe that Gould necessarily supported the theory. I read Gould's post as a way to promote an off the cuff discussion (which in my neighborhood was called a shooting the bull, or bull****). The only info I have is the same as most of the readers in the NG, the power experts believe that the problem was not the result of terrorist, but was a combination of natural factors that overwhelmed the system. Now, if I said that the power failure was the result of Flying Saucers stealing our power, do you have any proof that my statement is bull****? I wouldn't totally discount it, until all of the facts were in, especially when there were some circumstances that did seem out of place. As it were, they weren't connected, but at the time Gould put that theory out, it wasn't out of the realm of possiblility. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message om... "Bill Cole" wrote in message .net... Bass, I was not saying that Gould's theory was bull****, nor do I believe that Gould necessarily supported the theory. I read Gould's post as a way to promote an off the cuff discussion (which in my neighborhood was called a shooting the bull, or bull****). The only info I have is the same as most of the readers in the NG, the power experts believe that the problem was not the result of terrorist, but was a combination of natural factors that overwhelmed the system. Now, if I said that the power failure was the result of Flying Saucers stealing our power, do you have any proof that my statement is bull****? I wouldn't totally discount it, until all of the facts were in, especially when there were some circumstances that did seem out of place. As it were, they weren't connected, but at the time Gould put that theory out, it wasn't out of the realm of possiblility. Agreed, and it was therefore ridiculous for Chuck to throw out a theory without knowing the facts. |
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Agreed, and it was therefore ridiculous for Chuck to throw out a theory
without knowing the facts. No "theory" was thrown out. Go back and look at the first post in the thread. There's a comment that two guys had been arrested in Seattle, bound for NY, the day before the blackout. Followed by a comment that it was probably a coincidence. By the way, the discussion of theory is one avenue by which to determine and evaluate facts. Scientists do it all the time. To state that it is silly to advance a theory without knowing all the facts is to state that it is always silly to advance a theory. |
OT- Power outage in NY. Coincidence?
Chuck,
The discussion of theory is part of the scientific process, but do you believe that any theory has ever been discussed in rec.boats where a general consensus has been reached? Especially one that involved a terrorist conspiracy and/or government cover-up. If so, that is a major milestone. Wasn't your post really designed to provide a venue for shooting the bull, while we waited for the newspapers and TV's to tell us what was the cause of the power outage. That is the real purpose for rec.boats, sort of like a bunch of neighbor getting together to discuss things they have no knowledge of, and solve the world's problems. If we ever decide wither or not Bayliner is the best boat in the world or the worst piece of ****, ever to be thrust on the public, maybe we can move onto solving the middle east crisis. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Agreed, and it was therefore ridiculous for Chuck to throw out a theory without knowing the facts. No "theory" was thrown out. Go back and look at the first post in the thread. There's a comment that two guys had been arrested in Seattle, bound for NY, the day before the blackout. Followed by a comment that it was probably a coincidence. By the way, the discussion of theory is one avenue by which to determine and evaluate facts. Scientists do it all the time. To state that it is silly to advance a theory without knowing all the facts is to state that it is always silly to advance a theory. |
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