Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On 23 Mar 2006 09:23:29 -0800, wrote:

Paid $2.91 at a normally competitive filling station for unleaded 92
octane yesterday.

Looks like a repeat of the 2005 fuel pricing may be in store. Those
*******s. But I guess you can't blame them, since most of the increase
last year went straight to the Record Profit Bottom Line of the big oil
companies and their stock prices have now been adjusted to take those
profits into account. Failure to reproduce the same type of earnings
this year would have a negative impact on future stock values, and we
certainly couldn't have that, could we?

What are you burning that high octane stuff in? I know Acura's require it,
but most cars don't.

Yesterday, in Holland, the price was almost $6 per gallon. Guess we
shouldn't bitch too much.

Why John? Why the hell should we feel good about our gas prices running up
just because the price of gas is higher somewhere else. I've never
understood that argument.

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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Just playing YOUR game, Bert. Remember? I tell you used car lots are
loaded with 1-2 year old SUVs, not because they came from ended leases,
but because many people woke up and figured out they were the wrong car.
You respond by explaining the purchase terms of your vehicle. It's
called a "feint".

You are making an assumption about why these people traded in 1-2 year
old SUV's. When you have interviewed a statistically appropriate number
and generated some statistics let me know.

I was explaining to you that the decision to purchase a Hybrid is not
based upon economics but, it is based upon emotion. Also, the fact that
you said "Beats me. I don't care. I'd never buy that type of vehicle,
regardless of how it was powered" was a poor attempt to deflect the
factthat you were beaten on your own terms.

I didn't say I wouldn't buy a hybrid. I said I wouldn't buy a hybrid SUV.

You were harping about people "turning in" their SUV's for other vehicles.
So, I used the Escape as an example and your responded that it didn't matter
because you wouldn't buy that kind of vehicle. Do you know how childish that
sounds?


Let's do it again.

Honda Civic Sedan DX $14,760 (Base model)

Honda Civic Sedan Hybrid $22,150 (Base model)

Well what do you know? There is a $7,390 difference in price which is
about the same difference between the Ford Escape and the Ford Escape
Hybrid. The difference in price between the Civic and Civic Hybrid in
gallons of gasoline, under the same terms above, is 2,956. Let's assume
that the Civic gets 32 miles per gallon. I will be able to drive my
non-Hybrid Civic 94,500 miles before reaching the acquisition cost of the
Civic Hybrid. And, the batteries will still have to be replaced at about
100,000 miles incurring a cost of $5,000 (batteries are batteries) and
you have made the Civic Hybrid a bad choice as a used care and a new car.

Perhaps people buy the hybrid version because they want to use less
gasoline, not because they care so much about total cost of ownership. Is
that possible?

Look, Doug is ignoring economics when it conveniently fits his current
position. I'll have to remember that economics are not important to you.

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:24:41 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:

Why John? Why the hell should we feel good about our gas prices running
up
just because the price of gas is higher somewhere else. I've never
understood that argument.

1 - Because we have lagged behind the real price of oil for many years
- too many. That's why there is, on average, .47¢ of tax built into a
gallon of gas - it was cheap enough to get away with it.

Do you really believe that the oil countries would be selling gasoline at a
loss?

Do you really believe that the government would forgo tax revenue on
gasoline?

2 - While not directly related to your question, oil companies finally
woke up to the fact that too much of something is a bad thing in terms
of supply and demand factors.

The oil companies have a balancing act, they need to keep gasoline
affordable to the masses, otherwise, people will find other alternatives.

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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Just playing YOUR game, Bert. Remember? I tell you used car lots are
loaded with 1-2 year old SUVs, not because they came from ended leases,
but because many people woke up and figured out they were the wrong
car. You respond by explaining the purchase terms of your vehicle. It's
called a "feint".

You are making an assumption about why these people traded in 1-2 year
old SUV's. When you have interviewed a statistically appropriate number
and generated some statistics let me know.

I was explaining to you that the decision to purchase a Hybrid is not
based upon economics but, it is based upon emotion. Also, the fact that
you said "Beats me. I don't care. I'd never buy that type of vehicle,
regardless of how it was powered" was a poor attempt to deflect the
factthat you were beaten on your own terms.

I didn't say I wouldn't buy a hybrid. I said I wouldn't buy a hybrid SUV.

You were harping about people "turning in" their SUV's for other vehicles.
So, I used the Escape as an example and your responded that it didn't
matter because you wouldn't buy that kind of vehicle. Do you know how
childish that sounds?

Not much different from you explaining the financing terms of your vehicle,
which was 100% irrelevant to the discussion.




Perhaps people buy the hybrid version because they want to use less
gasoline, not because they care so much about total cost of ownership. Is
that possible?

Look, Doug is ignoring economics when it conveniently fits his current
position. I'll have to remember that economics are not important to you.

Well, people are buying hybrids right now. If battery replacement issues are
such a problem, how do YOU explain the FACT that they are selling well? Are
the customers being hypnotized when they enter the dealerships?

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:24:41 GMT, "Bryan" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On 23 Mar 2006 09:23:29 -0800, wrote:

Paid $2.91 at a normally competitive filling station for unleaded 92
octane yesterday.

Looks like a repeat of the 2005 fuel pricing may be in store. Those
*******s. But I guess you can't blame them, since most of the increase
last year went straight to the Record Profit Bottom Line of the big oil
companies and their stock prices have now been adjusted to take those
profits into account. Failure to reproduce the same type of earnings
this year would have a negative impact on future stock values, and we
certainly couldn't have that, could we?

What are you burning that high octane stuff in? I know Acura's require it,
but most cars don't.

Yesterday, in Holland, the price was almost $6 per gallon. Guess we
shouldn't bitch too much.

Why John? Why the hell should we feel good about our gas prices running up
just because the price of gas is higher somewhere else. I've never
understood that argument.


"Feel good?" Did I say that somewhere?

Have you never felt a little self-satisfied when you got a little better
deal than the next guy?

There are people here who wish to have flame wars. I'm not one of them.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:01:29 -0500, "Bert Robbins" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:24:41 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:

Why John? Why the hell should we feel good about our gas prices running
up
just because the price of gas is higher somewhere else. I've never
understood that argument.

1 - Because we have lagged behind the real price of oil for many years
- too many. That's why there is, on average, .47¢ of tax built into a
gallon of gas - it was cheap enough to get away with it.

Do you really believe that the oil countries would be selling gasoline at a
loss?

Do you really believe that the government would forgo tax revenue on
gasoline?

2 - While not directly related to your question, oil companies finally
woke up to the fact that too much of something is a bad thing in terms
of supply and demand factors.

The oil companies have a balancing act, they need to keep gasoline
affordable to the masses, otherwise, people will find other alternatives.


From where come your questions? Surely not from the comments Tom made.
--
'Til next time,

John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
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From where come your questions? Surely not from the comments Tom made.

John H

Good question.

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

Perfect next vehicle for Bert...so he can be cured of his sinful
wasteful ways.
http://tinyurl.com/qmexm

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

Just playing YOUR game, Bert. Remember? I tell you used car lots are
loaded with 1-2 year old SUVs, not because they came from ended
leases, but because many people woke up and figured out they were the
wrong car. You respond by explaining the purchase terms of your
vehicle. It's called a "feint".

You are making an assumption about why these people traded in 1-2 year
old SUV's. When you have interviewed a statistically appropriate number
and generated some statistics let me know.

I was explaining to you that the decision to purchase a Hybrid is not
based upon economics but, it is based upon emotion. Also, the fact that
you said "Beats me. I don't care. I'd never buy that type of vehicle,
regardless of how it was powered" was a poor attempt to deflect the
factthat you were beaten on your own terms.

I didn't say I wouldn't buy a hybrid. I said I wouldn't buy a hybrid
SUV.

You were harping about people "turning in" their SUV's for other
vehicles. So, I used the Escape as an example and your responded that it
didn't matter because you wouldn't buy that kind of vehicle. Do you know
how childish that sounds?

Not much different from you explaining the financing terms of your
vehicle, which was 100% irrelevant to the discussion.

Perhaps people buy the hybrid version because they want to use less
gasoline, not because they care so much about total cost of ownership.
Is that possible?

Look, Doug is ignoring economics when it conveniently fits his current
position. I'll have to remember that economics are not important to you.

Well, people are buying hybrids right now. If battery replacement issues
are such a problem, how do YOU explain the FACT that they are selling
well? Are the customers being hypnotized when they enter the dealerships?

It makes them feel good, no other reason and no logic involved. I'm suprised
that you are ranting and raving about how stupid these people are for
wasting money.

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

Just playing YOUR game, Bert. Remember? I tell you used car lots are
loaded with 1-2 year old SUVs, not because they came from ended
leases, but because many people woke up and figured out they were the
wrong car. You respond by explaining the purchase terms of your
vehicle. It's called a "feint".

You are making an assumption about why these people traded in 1-2 year
old SUV's. When you have interviewed a statistically appropriate
number and generated some statistics let me know.

I was explaining to you that the decision to purchase a Hybrid is not
based upon economics but, it is based upon emotion. Also, the fact
that you said "Beats me. I don't care. I'd never buy that type of
vehicle, regardless of how it was powered" was a poor attempt to
deflect the factthat you were beaten on your own terms.

I didn't say I wouldn't buy a hybrid. I said I wouldn't buy a hybrid
SUV.

You were harping about people "turning in" their SUV's for other
vehicles. So, I used the Escape as an example and your responded that it
didn't matter because you wouldn't buy that kind of vehicle. Do you know
how childish that sounds?

Not much different from you explaining the financing terms of your
vehicle, which was 100% irrelevant to the discussion.

Perhaps people buy the hybrid version because they want to use less
gasoline, not because they care so much about total cost of ownership.
Is that possible?

Look, Doug is ignoring economics when it conveniently fits his current
position. I'll have to remember that economics are not important to you.

Well, people are buying hybrids right now. If battery replacement issues
are such a problem, how do YOU explain the FACT that they are selling
well? Are the customers being hypnotized when they enter the dealerships?

It makes them feel good, no other reason and no logic involved. I'm
suprised that you are ranting and raving about how stupid these people are
for wasting money.


I think you're assuming buyers are always stupid. What is SUV buyers were
asked this question: "If you can have every single feature and benefit you
asked for, but get 23mpg instead of 14mpg, would that interest you?" How do
you suppose some buyers would react to that?

Remember: People buy the sizzle, not the steak (as sales trainers love to
point out).