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Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?

"basskisser" wrote in message
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Fred Dehl wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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Are you the same Fred Dehl who suggested that ANWR, a tiny
incremental step, would be better than nothing?

You're the only one who's suggested ANWR is a "tiny incremental
step". It's far more than that.

Use numbers. What percentage is, or is not incremental, in your
opinion?

And yes, one new vehicle could make a difference. Ford & GM didn't
take the idea of mini-vans

Mini-vans are loathed by your ilk.

Not relevant to this discussion. This is about marketing a product,
not my opinion of certain vehicles.

seriously until Chrysler started selling
them like hotcakes. One highly efficient SUV that's successful will
lead the competition into the same market.

The cost of operating these SUVs is little different from operating a
gas one.

I'll need a link for your source of that information. Good luck. The
vehicles don't exist yet.

Bert showed what an idiotic liar you are. I'll invoke the mercy rule and
not pile on.

Childish, petty name calling certainly does nothing for YOUR
credibility.

And, Kevin, you credibility is improved in what manner by jumping in and
whining?

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?

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Bert Robbins wrote:

Why do you want to control the public's behavior? Why do you want to take
away their freedom by removing choices? Does your family appreciate you
making all of their daily decisions for them. Will your children live
with
your for the rest of their lives?

Pardon a lurker for jumping in, Bert, it sounds to me like you are
reading this thread from another dimension, I don't believe Doug was
saying anything like what you seem to be saying he said! He wasn't
talking at all about controlling the public's behavior, taking away
freedom or removing choices.

richforman,

Stick around and you will see how Dougie bends and twists his words to fit
the outcome he desires.

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?

Bert Robbins wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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Are you the same Fred Dehl who suggested that ANWR, a tiny
incremental
step, would be better than nothing?

You're the only one who's suggested ANWR is a "tiny incremental
step".
It's far more than that.

Use numbers. What percentage is, or is not incremental, in your
opinion?

Until they started drilling in the Arabian Pennisula the didn't think
there was any oil.

And yes, one new vehicle could make a difference. Ford & GM didn't
take the idea of mini-vans

Mini-vans are loathed by your ilk.

Not relevant to this discussion. This is about marketing a product,
not my opinion of certain vehicles.

http://www.fordvehicles.com/suvs/

Ford Escape $19,995 (Base price)

Ford Escape Hybrid $27,515 (Base price)

That is a $7,520 dollar difference which translates into 3,008 gallons
of gas at the average price in the DC area today of $2.50 per gallon.
At 25 MPG that would mean that I could drive my non-Hybrid Escape
75,000 miles before I reach the acquisition cost of the Escape Hybrid.

You tell me which one you would buy?

seriously until Chrysler started selling
them like hotcakes. One highly efficient SUV that's successful will
lead the competition into the same market.

The cost of operating these SUVs is little different from operating a
gas
one.

I'll need a link for your source of that information. Good luck. The
vehicles don't exist yet.

The battery life of an Hybrid is estimated to be 100,000 miles. With a
projected cost of $5,000 to replace the batteries you have removed this
vehicle form the used vehicle market making them even less desirable to
acquire in the first place. When the salesman asks you if you are
trading something in and you say a Hybrid and he says we don't take
those in trade what are you going to do?

Beats me. I don't care. I'd never buy that type of vehicle, regardless
of how it was powered.

What do they say in tennis? Game, set and match.

Just playing YOUR game, Bert. Remember? I tell you used car lots are
loaded with 1-2 year old SUVs, not because they came from ended leases,
but because many people woke up and figured out they were the wrong car.
You respond by explaining the purchase terms of your vehicle. It's called
a "feint".

You are making an assumption about why these people traded in 1-2 year old
SUV's. When you have interviewed a statistically appropriate number and
generated some statistics let me know.

I was explaining to you that the decision to purchase a Hybrid is not based
upon economics but, it is based upon emotion. Also, the fact that you said
"Beats me. I don't care. I'd never buy that type of vehicle, regardless of
how it was powered" was a poor attempt to deflect the factthat you were
beaten on your own terms.

Let's do it again.

Honda Civic Sedan DX $14,760 (Base model)

Honda Civic Sedan Hybrid $22,150 (Base model)

Well what do you know? There is a $7,390 difference in price which is about
the same difference between the Ford Escape and the Ford Escape Hybrid. The
difference in price between the Civic and Civic Hybrid in gallons of
gasoline, under the same terms above, is 2,956. Let's assume that the Civic
gets 32 miles per gallon. I will be able to drive my non-Hybrid Civic 94,500
miles before reaching the acquisition cost of the Civic Hybrid. And, the
batteries will still have to be replaced at about 100,000 miles incurring a
cost of $5,000 (batteries are batteries) and you have made the Civic Hybrid
a bad choice as a used care and a new car.

Do we need to go through the figures for the Toyota Prius?

Hybrid vehicles are not cost effective. Hybrid vehicles pose dangers to
emergency personnel.

You have to look at those hybrid vehicles as a first step.
You'd better hope the technology improves or your kids will be riding
bicycles.

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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wrote in message
ups.com...
Bert Robbins wrote:

Why do you want to control the public's behavior? Why do you want to
take
away their freedom by removing choices? Does your family appreciate you
making all of their daily decisions for them. Will your children live
with
your for the rest of their lives?

Pardon a lurker for jumping in, Bert, it sounds to me like you are
reading this thread from another dimension, I don't believe Doug was
saying anything like what you seem to be saying he said! He wasn't
talking at all about controlling the public's behavior, taking away
freedom or removing choices.

richforman,

Stick around and you will see how Dougie bends and twists his words to fit
the outcome he desires.

You didn't address what the man said to you.

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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Just playing YOUR game, Bert. Remember? I tell you used car lots are
loaded with 1-2 year old SUVs, not because they came from ended leases,
but because many people woke up and figured out they were the wrong car.
You respond by explaining the purchase terms of your vehicle. It's called
a "feint".

You are making an assumption about why these people traded in 1-2 year old
SUV's. When you have interviewed a statistically appropriate number and
generated some statistics let me know.

I was explaining to you that the decision to purchase a Hybrid is not
based upon economics but, it is based upon emotion. Also, the fact that
you said "Beats me. I don't care. I'd never buy that type of vehicle,
regardless of how it was powered" was a poor attempt to deflect the
factthat you were beaten on your own terms.

I didn't say I wouldn't buy a hybrid. I said I wouldn't buy a hybrid SUV.

Let's do it again.

Honda Civic Sedan DX $14,760 (Base model)

Honda Civic Sedan Hybrid $22,150 (Base model)

Well what do you know? There is a $7,390 difference in price which is
about the same difference between the Ford Escape and the Ford Escape
Hybrid. The difference in price between the Civic and Civic Hybrid in
gallons of gasoline, under the same terms above, is 2,956. Let's assume
that the Civic gets 32 miles per gallon. I will be able to drive my
non-Hybrid Civic 94,500 miles before reaching the acquisition cost of the
Civic Hybrid. And, the batteries will still have to be replaced at about
100,000 miles incurring a cost of $5,000 (batteries are batteries) and you
have made the Civic Hybrid a bad choice as a used care and a new car.

Perhaps people buy the hybrid version because they want to use less
gasoline, not because they care so much about total cost of ownership. Is
that possible?

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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Childish, petty name calling certainly does nothing for YOUR
credibility.

And, Kevin, you credibility is improved in what manner by jumping in and
whining?

You asked him to jump in.

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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The battery life of an Hybrid is estimated to be 100,000 miles.
With
a projected cost of $5,000 to replace the batteries you have
removed
this vehicle form the used vehicle market making them even less
desirable to acquire in the first place. When the salesman asks
you
if you are trading something in and you say a Hybrid and he says
we
don't take those in trade what are you going to do?

Beats me. I don't care. I'd never buy that type of vehicle,
regardless
of how it was powered.

Moron, ANY Hybrid is going to have the same situation on trade-in,
not
just SUVs. Now answer the ****ing question, dickwash.

The numbers will be different for trade-ins on those vehicles.
They're different for a Peterbilt than for a Chevy sedan. If a
competent dealer finds out you never changed the timing belt on a
trade-in that needed it, the numbers will be different. It's a
non-issue.

I can change a timing belt for a couple of hundred dollars vs. several
thousands of dollars for a hybrid battery pack.

Do you mean doing the timing belt job yourself?

Are we now going to argue about the cost of changing timimg belts now?

Why not? The way you add things to this discussion, we may as well throw
in something about common diseases of parakeets.

You keep harping about what people shoud and should not do but, when push
comes to shove you run away screaming that people don't play by your
rules.

Really? Prove it.