Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 07:46:18 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:42:53 -0500, JohnH wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:32:59 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:25:02 -0500, JohnH wrote:

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:43:12 -0500, Reggie Smithers
wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
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Normally, to people like Fred D who are obsessivley
compelled to post hateful pseudo-political spew here, I'd
say "get a boat."
Boats are far worse gas guzzlers than Hummers.
That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.
What do you do? Put up or shut up.
I'm an inventory analyst for a grocery wholesaler. Your turn.
I am a Principal Development Engineer for a large hardware and software
vendor.



Impossible. I don't believe it.


Doug,
This is the reason it is silly to ask "what does someone do" or even
sillier to respond to questions concerning this or any other personal
info. Normally the response only fuels the flames of personal
disagreements and does nothing to support one's position on an issue.
I'll bet few people lie about teaching math.
On the Internet, nobody knows you are a dog. :)
Woof. That reminds me, I've gotta go get some of the matted hair off the
bearded collie. Anyone want a bearded collie? They're about as stupid a dog
as you could ever hope to find!

It happens with Border's too. Amazing how much hair herding dogs
have.
Both you and JohnH need to check out the Furmingator. Great tool to get
rid of the undercoat, which is what normally mats up.

I think the alligator idea is great!
--
'Til next time,

John H

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Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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DSK wrote in
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Normally, to people like Fred D who are obsessivley
compelled to post hateful pseudo-political spew here, I'd
say "get a boat."
Boats are far worse gas guzzlers than Hummers.
That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.
What do you do? Put up or shut up.

I'm an inventory analyst for a grocery wholesaler. Your turn.
I am a Principal Development Engineer for a large hardware and software
vendor.



Impossible. I don't believe it.

Your belief or disbelief is does not matter. I still get paid.
Please post a scan of your paycheck stub, your 2005 Income Tax, your
college degree and your drivers license, your fingerprints and a retina
scan all verified by 3 independent Notary Publics. If you refuse to do
this we all know you are making this up.

I'm sure Krause has that information in the dossier he has on me, ask him he
will be able to access it faster than I can.

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

Bert Robbins wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
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DSK wrote in
:

Normally, to people like Fred D who are obsessivley
compelled to post hateful pseudo-political spew here, I'd
say "get a boat."
Boats are far worse gas guzzlers than Hummers.
That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.
What do you do? Put up or shut up.
I'm an inventory analyst for a grocery wholesaler. Your turn.
I am a Principal Development Engineer for a large hardware and software
vendor.



Impossible. I don't believe it.
Your belief or disbelief is does not matter. I still get paid.
Please post a scan of your paycheck stub, your 2005 Income Tax, your
college degree and your drivers license, your fingerprints and a retina
scan all verified by 3 independent Notary Publics. If you refuse to do
this we all know you are making this up.

I'm sure Krause has that information in the dossier he has on me, ask him he
will be able to access it faster than I can.



Bert,
I can't say anything negative about Krause, for the last 6-8 weeks he
has been the ideal NG contributor. Many of us can learn from his
restraint in not taking the bait when it has been dangled in front of him.

Why don't you put yours and Harry's battles behind you and enjoy the NG?

--
Reggie

"That's my story and I am sticking to it."

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote in
:

Normally, to people like Fred D who are obsessivley
compelled to post hateful pseudo-political spew here, I'd
say "get a boat."
Boats are far worse gas guzzlers than Hummers.
That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.
What do you do? Put up or shut up.
I'm an inventory analyst for a grocery wholesaler. Your turn.
I am a Principal Development Engineer for a large hardware and
software vendor.



Impossible. I don't believe it.
Your belief or disbelief is does not matter. I still get paid.
Please post a scan of your paycheck stub, your 2005 Income Tax, your
college degree and your drivers license, your fingerprints and a retina
scan all verified by 3 independent Notary Publics. If you refuse to do
this we all know you are making this up.

I'm sure Krause has that information in the dossier he has on me, ask him
he will be able to access it faster than I can.



Bert,
I can't say anything negative about Krause, for the last 6-8 weeks he has
been the ideal NG contributor. Many of us can learn from his restraint in
not taking the bait when it has been dangled in front of him.

Why don't you put yours and Harry's battles behind you and enjoy the NG?

You must have missed the jabs he has been throwing at me.

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

Bert Robbins wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. ..
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote in
:

Normally, to people like Fred D who are obsessivley
compelled to post hateful pseudo-political spew here, I'd
say "get a boat."
Boats are far worse gas guzzlers than Hummers.
That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.
What do you do? Put up or shut up.
I'm an inventory analyst for a grocery wholesaler. Your turn.
I am a Principal Development Engineer for a large hardware and
software vendor.



Impossible. I don't believe it.
Your belief or disbelief is does not matter. I still get paid.
Please post a scan of your paycheck stub, your 2005 Income Tax, your
college degree and your drivers license, your fingerprints and a retina
scan all verified by 3 independent Notary Publics. If you refuse to do
this we all know you are making this up.
I'm sure Krause has that information in the dossier he has on me, ask him
he will be able to access it faster than I can.



Bert,
I can't say anything negative about Krause, for the last 6-8 weeks he has
been the ideal NG contributor. Many of us can learn from his restraint in
not taking the bait when it has been dangled in front of him.

Why don't you put yours and Harry's battles behind you and enjoy the NG?

You must have missed the jabs he has been throwing at me.



Bert,
That might be true, because I probably skip over half the messages, but
still, why don't you put the battles behind you and enjoy the NG. Harry
and I used to slug it out as much as anyone in the NG. Since the two of
us have decided it is stupid as hell to continue the battle, I have
enjoy the NG much more. I also find many of Harry's boating posts to be
very informative and occasionally he post some very subtle jokes that I
have enjoyed.



--
Reggie

"That's my story and I am sticking to it."

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
. ..
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Fred Dehl" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote in
:

Normally, to people like Fred D who are obsessivley
compelled to post hateful pseudo-political spew here, I'd
say "get a boat."
Boats are far worse gas guzzlers than Hummers.
That's why I asked you what kind of work you do.
What do you do? Put up or shut up.
I'm an inventory analyst for a grocery wholesaler. Your turn.
I am a Principal Development Engineer for a large hardware and
software
vendor.



Impossible. I don't believe it.
Your belief or disbelief is does not matter. I still get paid.
Please post a scan of your paycheck stub, your 2005 Income Tax, your
college degree and your drivers license, your fingerprints and a
retina
scan all verified by 3 independent Notary Publics. If you refuse to
do
this we all know you are making this up.

I'm sure Krause has that information in the dossier he has on me, ask
him he
will be able to access it faster than I can.



Bert,
I can't say anything negative about Krause, for the last 6-8 weeks he
has been the ideal NG contributor. Many of us can learn from his
restraint in not taking the bait when it has been dangled in front of
him.

What have you been smoking?


Why don't you put yours and Harry's battles behind you and enjoy the NG?

--
Reggie

"That's my story and I am sticking to it."

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

"DSK" wrote in message
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
I'm all for exploring and opening up new fields with new technology -
available now for such as deep water and such. I'm also not against
drilling off Martha's Vineyard either, but it would ruin the view so
let's not do that huh?


Hey, let the price of gasoline get up around ten bucks a gallon, and
electric bills into solid five figures, and people will be less concerned
about the view.

Funny thing, that will drive up the desirability... and thus the price...
of places that still have some unspoiled nature.

It's like a merry-go-round.




I'm all for alternative energy, but the battles you have to fight to
get anything done are ridiculous. In my own personal experience, I
had to give up on putting a wind generator in my own backyard because
the neighbors raised a ruckus - mostly because of my wife's position
in town, I never really pursued it beyond attempting to get a permit.


Well, maybe you should invest a little time & effort in getting along with
your neighbors. Around here you seem to invest none at all in either
learning about nor understanding anybody else's point of view; do you act
significantly different at home?


Consider the wave generation plant an Aussie firm wanted to put at
Point Judith. That one never even got beyond the planning stages
because every enviro nut in the universe had a complaint from sucking
fish into the turbine blades to the main town committee saying it was
ugly.

What the hell are you supposed to do when everybody has a better idea
or some complaint?


Give up, I guess.

Another point to consider is that a large number of the objections may
seem to come from the left wing whackos, but is in fact funded & directed
by the people who have big bucks at stake... the entrenched energy
companies.

For example, want to take any guesses as to who profited from Vice
President Cheney's secret energy policy 2001 ~ 2005? Want to guess who
gets the lion's share of gov't hand-outs? We already can make a good guess
how progressive & forward-looking those policies have been, since the most
obvious facet of that policy is to fight big expensive wars for cheap oil.

The nation's leaders have been looking backwards, and mostly investing in
convincing as many people as they can that "alternative energy" is for
weirdos. Until the last couple of months, that is. Suddenly they have
stolen Al Gore's energy playbook (although they still scream that
Democrats have no ideas).



At this point, I don't think anybody truly knows what is or isn't true
about oil.

And so, of course you have every excuse to proclaim that we have pleny of
oil forever & ever.


I don't think anybody has actually said that.


Perhaps not in so many words.



Funny thing though, if any serious scientist had the evidence to revise
King Hubbert's figures, he'd be a big deal in the oil world. Nobody has.
What do you think that means?


Dunno- but I can say that almost everybody had a dog in this hunt from
the enviros to the drillers to the people who consume and everybody is
****ing on everybody else's shoes. We aren't going to get anywhere
until somebody stands up and say enough rather than pander to get
elected again - and again - and again...


Agreed. My beef with you personally is that you have come down solidly on
the side of the worst panderers, again and again... and directed a lot of
personal insults my way for attempting to put forth some facts. But let's
not dwell on the past.


If I could find an alternative to fuel my diesel with, I would - in a
heartbeat. I know farmer's here in town who would do it in a
heartbeat if they could obtain the bio or soy based diesel.


There are guys out there making bio-diesel. Just gotta find one in your
area...

One of the things I've noticed about bio-diesel generators currently in
place is that they seem to rely heavily on using cooking oil from fast
food places... not that I'm against that, but if the raw material is free
and the fuel generated still costs more than petro-diesel, what will be
the market price of the stuff?



Consider this - we're supposedly switching over to ethanol blend
rather than MTBE because of some dubious science about MTBE (think
saccharin testing) - it's supposed to be a boon to our farmers and our
agriculture system - burn corn right?

Where does the ethanol come from? Brazil.


Or any place that grows a grain that can be turned into ethanol. Kansas?
Iowa? My side yard?

Brazil is a great example of mass use of alternative fueled vehicles
though. Bonus points to you for knowing about it.




Until somebody does, we're going to continued to get high fuel prices
and do nothing about reducing out dependence on crude oil

Well, part of the problem is there is no replacement on the horizon that
is cost competitive with petro-fuels... and probably won't be until that
price goes up a lot more (I'm guessing double). OTOH as technology
advances, we can make it cheaper so the price of the alternatives go down.
Ditto for economies of scale, once large capacity plants are up & running
the costs will drop even more.

2 more issues to think about-
Only fuel on the horizon that offers anywhere near the same bang for the
buck... or per pound... is hydrogen. All other alternatives fuels are
bulky & weak; and most of them have handling issues as well (although
those can be solved with a combination of technology & familiarity).
Hydrogen has been known for centuries, since long before gasoline as a
matter of fact. Hydrogen is difficult to handle and can be dangerous, and
if it were all that promising a fuel, we probably would have been using it
before we started up with gasoline.

So we can expect fuels of the future to be more troublesome & aggravating
& time consuming than we are accustomed to with gasoline.

Next, where are we going to get plastic from, once the cost of oil goes
sky high? IMHO future generations are going to think we were incredibly
stupid to burn up all that raw petroleum which could have been turned into
space-age material goods, instead of gunking up the air so we can drive
SUVs to the mall. They will probably be mining our landfills for sources
of PVC & other plastics.

As you can see, I have a lot to say on this subject, I don't think we (the
U.S.A.) are taking it anywhere near seriously enough.

Regards
Doug King


As to Oil companies blocking alternative energy. Chevron has one of the
bigger alternative energy suppliers under it's flag. As long as they sell
energy, they make money. Be it oil, or solar, they bank money. As to
alcohol over MTBE, is an improvement, but is also a Federal requirement to
use an oxygenate. Chevron and the others outside of Arco all said they
could meet the standards without mandatory addition of an oxygenate. Arco,
was the seller of MTBE. A government mandated disaster. Super toxic, and
super corrosive and pollutes our waters. Eats up the Fiberglass tanks at
stations and eats the seals on pipelines. Major reason so many more
refinery fires these days. Old days a $5 nitril seal on a pipe connection
lasted over a year. Now a $100 seal lasts about 6 months.

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

Calif Bill wrote:
As to Oil companies blocking alternative energy. Chevron has one of the
bigger alternative energy suppliers under it's flag. As long as they sell
energy, they make money. Be it oil, or solar, they bank money.

So does BP-Amoco and IIRC Phillips too. They're not dumb,
they know someday the oil will run out and they definitely
want to stay in business. OTOH that doesn't mean that they
either stomp on things that threaten them (just human
nature) and/or work behind the scenes to run the price up
(which increases their profits on both oil and
alternatives). Like I said, they're not dumb.


... As to
alcohol over MTBE, is an improvement, but is also a Federal requirement to
use an oxygenate. Chevron and the others outside of Arco all said they
could meet the standards without mandatory addition of an oxygenate. Arco,
was the seller of MTBE. A government mandated disaster. Super toxic, and
super corrosive and pollutes our waters. Eats up the Fiberglass tanks at
stations and eats the seals on pipelines. Major reason so many more
refinery fires these days. Old days a $5 nitril seal on a pipe connection
lasted over a year. Now a $100 seal lasts about 6 months.


I hadn't realized MTBE was that bad for the handling
systems. I wonder how it affect lubricant chemistry. Gasahol
has a number of similar issues, but it seems likely to not
be that bad. It's a weaker fuel though.

DSK

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

Go ahead, I'm listening.
Do you disagree that President Bush's ideas on a progressive
energy policy came largely from Al Gore's speeches from
1999? That is not just my opinion, it has been stated by
many conservatives, neo- and otherwise... stated
vociferously in some cases!


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Then we can end it right here. If it was copied right from Al Gore's
play book, it really isn't working is it?


Depends on what you mean.

Al Gore's playbook worked just fine for 8 years, including a
higher level of bipartisanship than most Republicans would
want to admit nowadays.

Or do you mean that Al Gore's playbook "doesn't work"
because it didn't get him elected? If that's the case, then
President Bush must be pretty desperate to start quoting it
now, trying to bring his numbers up. Or maybe not, old Al
got 49.9% of the vote and Bush's numbers are much lower than
that now.

Either way, it's nice to see some forward-thinking
leadership. I was just remarking how the politicking on the
issue is so very very far from the facts... and of course
the far-right talking heads push it even further from reality.



..... At times, I get cynical enough to think
that *nobody* actually likes Bush & Cheney, or thinks that
they are doing a good job... they just support them because
1- in the case of many columnists & commentators, because
they're paid to and 2- because it's just so much fun to hate
hate hate libby-rulls.


I don't hate libby-rulls. Some of my best friends are liberals. My
family hold social views directly opposite mine.

I'm not surprised. ;)




.... But it's real, it
works, there is evidence that it's better for your engine!


I've read about that, but the process is more complicated than you
think.

???

How complicated do I think it is?

... And there are fuel delivery mods that have to be made as I
understand it, but I haven't checked into it in a year or so.

From what I've read, once the stuff comes out of the
cooker, it's handled just like regular diesel.

http://www.homebiodieselkits.com/smallbatchkit.html

DSK

Fuel prices moving up, just in time for spring boating and driving?
 

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .

Go ahead, I'm listening.
Do you disagree that President Bush's ideas on a progressive energy
policy came largely from Al Gore's speeches from 1999? That is not just
my opinion, it has been stated by many conservatives, neo- and
otherwise... stated vociferously in some cases!


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Then we can end it right here. If it was copied right from Al Gore's
play book, it really isn't working is it?


Depends on what you mean.

Al Gore's playbook worked just fine for 8 years, including a higher level
of bipartisanship than most Republicans would want to admit nowadays.

Or do you mean that Al Gore's playbook "doesn't work" because it didn't
get him elected? If that's the case, then President Bush must be pretty
desperate to start quoting it now, trying to bring his numbers up. Or
maybe not, old Al got 49.9% of the vote and Bush's numbers are much lower
than that now.

Either way, it's nice to see some forward-thinking leadership. I was just
remarking how the politicking on the issue is so very very far from the
facts... and of course the far-right talking heads push it even further
from reality.

No matter what party they're from, our erected leaders will say whatever
they're instructed to say about oil, energy, or pretty much anything else.
All good little sheep.