wrote:

I do wish he'd elaborate on his feelings that this boat wouldn't be
adequate for coastal cruising from AK to MEX, with occasional
(possible) diversions to HI. Aside from marginal range (easily
corected), I fail to see why this wouldn't be a darn good boat for the
purpose.

The original spec was for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage between the Gulf of Alaska and San Carlos, Sonora,
Mexico. The stated budget was $180,000. A length of 50' was mentioned
because buyer is 6'3" and standup headroom was a must. I do not think
this boat represents the best choice for the intended usage.

--
Skipper

markvictor wrote:

The term "spartan functionality" comes to mind...and equipped on a
tight budget...Manual windlass?...aaarrgh!

What boat would you recommend for the intended usage?

--
Skipper

JohnH wrote:

Skipper is a Jew-hating, black-hating turd who works overtime at being
obnoxious. Perhaps that kind of hatred is ok with you.

Harry, do you really think your constant name-calling affects our opinion
of anyone besides you?

Just let it go. Do not feed the trolls.

--
Skipper

Skipper wrote:

The original spec was for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage between the Gulf of Alaska and San Carlos, Sonora,
Mexico. The stated budget was $180,000. A length of 50' was mentioned
because buyer is 6'3" and standup headroom was a must. I do not think
this boat represents the best choice for the intended usage.

--
Skipper

That's certainly your call to make, however I should probably address a
few of your points:

First, as this is a deep draft, full displacement hull the headroom is
outstanding. It's a long way from the bilge to the main deck. Headroom
certainly exceeds 6' 3" feet in the main cabin, galley, pilothouse, and
master stateroom. Headroom in the engine room is almost exactly 6-feet,
(I can stand up in there, and I'm just a whisker short of 6-feet), and
that was the lowest clearance I found anywhere.

The inconsequential difference in length between this boat and a
"50-footer" is going to be meaningless as far as hull speed goes, and
this boat seems beamier by far than many nominal 50's.

The seller recently reduced the price from somewhere closer to $250k
down to the $210,000 level. If someone were in the market, they would
call Art or Marcie at LYS and arrange to submit a written offer, with a
deposit, for a sales price of $180k subject to physical inspection, sea
trial, and survey. The worst that could happen is they would be told
the boat wasn't available for the sort of money one might like to
spend- but if one submits a written offer with a deposit the broker is
required to present your offer to the seller before suggesting that you
buzz off or come up with a few more bucks.

If the boat didn't appeal to a prospective buyer for some objective or
subjective reason, that would be one thing- but it would be hard to
write it off as unavailable at $180,000 without taking a run at the
seller with an offer. Stranger things have happened. As this is a
one-off, custom vessel who's to say what it's really "worth" in the
marketplace? (It's worth what it will sell for, and no more).

As far as sail goes: Most guys your age are getting rid of sailboats
and going to trawlers as the sailing becomes too physically demanding.
Are you in shape to sail a 50-footer with Mrs. Skipper along for crew?

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:26:56 -0500, Harry Krause

wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 21 Jan 2006 09:32:40 -0800, wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 20 Jan 2006 17:59:17 -0800, wrote:

If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across
something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in
Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting
boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt.
This
is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat
itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly
is)
I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but
here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the
boat.


http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &
Thanks for the link, Chuck. Nice boat and it seems reasonably
priced
if
it's in decent condition. It looks as though it was well taken
care
of.

And, it prompted only five (so far) derogatory comments against
Skipper,
not counting the original post, of course.


The original post was not supposed to be a derogatory comment. I
remarked, honestly, that this was the sort of boat that Skipper
had,
(at one time at least), been interested in acquiring. I fail to see
how
that was a derogatory comment- and beyond the fact that he was once
shopping for a boat like that (something he has freely attested to
here) there wasn't even a single personal statement.

I do wish he'd elaborate on his feelings that this boat wouldn't be
adequate for coastal cruising from AK to MEX, with occasional
(possible) diversions to HI. Aside from marginal range (easily
corected), I fail to see why this wouldn't be a darn good boat for
the
purpose.
It *is* strange how some folks will use *any* post as an excuse to
make
personal attacks. If I lived where you do, I'd love to have a boat
like
that. I think it's beautiful.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******

Skipper is a Jew-hating, black-hating turd who works overtime at
being
obnoxious. Perhaps that kind of hatred is ok with you.

Harry, do you really think your constant name-calling affects our
opinion
of anyone besides you?
--
John H

Skipper is a racist pig. There are many posts of his in the archives
that
demonstrate he hates Jews and blacks. That's enough for me not to want
to
give him the benefit of anything.

Perhaps you are comfy with racist slimeballs. I am not.

You hate Republicans and other non-Democrats. What's the difference hate
is
hate.

He hates himself as well

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JohnH wrote:
On 21 Jan 2006 09:32:40 -0800, wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On 20 Jan 2006 17:59:17 -0800, wrote:

If Dave M. were still in the market for a boat, I came across
something
that would have appealed to him 6 or 7 years ago when he was in
Seattle
doing some shopping.

I went up to LaConner today to see if I could find an interesting
boat
for the NW Classics column of our magazine, and I hit paydirt. This
is
a one-off world cruiser, full displacement hull, 30 tons of lead
ballast, no windows below the main deck, etc etc etc.(The boat
itself
isn't truly a classic, but the design and concept most certainly
is) I
took a bunch of photos and notes to build an article around, but
here's
a link to the broker's web site where one could get a look at the
boat.


http://www.laconneryachtsales.com/co...=laconnerys &
Thanks for the link, Chuck. Nice boat and it seems reasonably priced
if
it's in decent condition. It looks as though it was well taken care
of.

And, it prompted only five (so far) derogatory comments against
Skipper,
not counting the original post, of course.


The original post was not supposed to be a derogatory comment. I
remarked, honestly, that this was the sort of boat that Skipper had,
(at one time at least), been interested in acquiring. I fail to see
how
that was a derogatory comment- and beyond the fact that he was once
shopping for a boat like that (something he has freely attested to
here) there wasn't even a single personal statement.

I do wish he'd elaborate on his feelings that this boat wouldn't be
adequate for coastal cruising from AK to MEX, with occasional
(possible) diversions to HI. Aside from marginal range (easily
corected), I fail to see why this wouldn't be a darn good boat for
the
purpose.

It *is* strange how some folks will use *any* post as an excuse to
make
personal attacks. If I lived where you do, I'd love to have a boat
like
that. I think it's beautiful.
--
John H

******Have a spectacular day!******


Skipper is a Jew-hating, black-hating turd who works overtime at being
obnoxious. Perhaps that kind of hatred is ok with you.

Hatred is hatred Harry and yours is of the type that is particularly
nasty
towards those that disagree with you politics.

Harry needs to look in a mirror.

Skipper wrote:
The original spec was for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage between the Gulf of Alaska and San Carlos, Sonora,
Mexico. The stated budget was $180,000. A length of 50' was mentioned
because buyer is 6'3" and standup headroom was a must.

There are a number of 30' boats with 6'3" headroom. To
request a 50-footer for that is absurd.

DSK

Skipper wrote:
.... A length of 50' was mentioned
because buyer is 6'3" and standup headroom was a must.


DSK wrote:
There are a number of 30' boats with 6'3" headroom. To
request a 50-footer for that is absurd.


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
pah - headroom, schmedroom - bend over like the rest of us.

Sounds like you've dropped the soap at least once too often.

DSK

Skipper wrote:
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/dkjym

So, for someone looking to cruise from the Gulf of Alaska to the Cortez
and avoid the return bash by diverting to Hawaii you'd recommend that
boat? Fascinating! Do you believe intended usage plays at all in boat
selection?

Absolutely. What do you figure from Mexico to HI, 2500 miles? Maybe a
bit less? (Depends where you set out from, of course) Right now, with
1000 gallons, she's supposed to have an 1800 mile range. Add a pair of
250 gallon fuel tanks and a watermaker you're set. 70,000 lb
displacement, deep draft, full displacement hull? This is what a true
seagoing boat looks like.

To your eye maybe, but not mine. AND I suppose it does depend on what
your definition of is is. While the boat is pleasing to the eye, it is
not the best choice for the stated usage. It's a boat better suited for
inward passage cruising, IMO. Suspect you may have fallen victim to a
bit of stableblindness here, Chuck.

I'll mention just a few of the obvious problems with your choice of the
best boat for the stated usage:

1- Fuel costs for this vessel is about $200+ per day. That can add up
rather quickly on a voyage from Tracy Arm to Mazatlan. Sail might be the
more prudent choice.

2- I believe roll could well be a problem offshore with that boat's
unstablized rounded bottom.

3- Only having one (1) head on long voyages is more of risk than I'd
like to assume.

4- The boat is well short of the amenities needed for such a voyage.
Ground tackle also seems substandard for the intended usage. That
$225,000 asking would only be the starting point to equip this boat for
offshore passagemaking.

There are other shortcomings that would disqualify this boat for subject
passagemaking, but let me note it DOES have some very good things going
for it as a Northwaste boat. Dry stack, keel cooler, woodburner in the
master are a few of the attractions for someone doing your type of
boating.

--
Skipper
Skipper,
Give us a link of your ideal boat within your price range.

--
Reggie
************************************************** *************

Q. What's the difference between a brown-noser and a ****-head?
A. Depth perception.
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DSK wrote:
Skipper wrote:

The original spec was for a boat (power OR sail) capable of safe and
comfortable passage between the Gulf of Alaska and San Carlos, Sonora,
Mexico. The stated budget was $180,000. A length of 50' was mentioned
because buyer is 6'3" and standup headroom was a must.


There are a number of 30' boats with 6'3" headroom. To request a
50-footer for that is absurd.

DSK


Even the Mirage 33 I crewed on for years had 6' 5" headroom.
http://sailquest.com/market/models/mirage35.htm