On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:39:27 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:36:32 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:59:17 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:03:34 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
JohnH,

There are 12 step groups for just about everything. I looked in Google for
a 12 step group for NPD and found there are support groups for the victims
of NPD, but those with the illness rarely seek help. One of the problems
mentioned is those with NPD would always try to take advantage the other
members of the group.
More amateur hour? If you fell seriously ill with multiple symptoms and
had no idea what was causing them, would you seek professional help or
would you start playing guessing games with the data on internet sites?

Sometimes a 12-step program will provide the support an addict needs,
but that addict also will need therapy and other assistance. 12-stepping
is no substitute for therapy.
You've much to learn 12-step programs.

The question was whether or not a 12-step program helped disorders *other* than addictions. Although
not specifically addressed, the question of NPD was answered by Reggie. Do you have other
information?
--
John Herring
I would agree that 12-step programs help *some* sufferers of various
addictions with support. The "addiction" 12-step programs are support
groups.
That's better.
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Better? It's no different than my original position. All the 12-step
programs offer is support. It takes a lot more than "support" for most
addicts to kick their habits.

Are you a graduate of a 12-step support group?

You earlier stated an addict 'will need therapy and other assistance' in addition to a 12-step
program. That was not a true statement.

Are you seeking more personal information for your data base?
--
John Herring


D'oh. Most addicts need more than 12-step support groups to kick their
habits.

That's better.

What database is that, John? I think I posted here a couple of years ago
that you reminded me of an alcoholic "in recovery." That's not in any
database. I just remember posting it.

When you made that claim, did I call you a lot of foul names, threaten to wring your scrawny neck,
and ask you for proof of your wild allegations?
--
John Herring

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