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Wm Shakespeare Smithers December 15th 05 10:26 PM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 
JimH,
I was glad that Harry showed concern for my health. Heck, just yesterday he
was hoping I would "off myself". This is a drastic improvement.


" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Harry,
Have you read any of the books concerning NPD?



If your behavior bothers you and you feel the need for help, I suggest
you find a professional provider in your home town, and not take
seriously any perseverations emanating from Fritz, Herring, or Hertv.




Your list changes hourly Harry. I have been off it all day. In fact just
hours ago you were praising me.

Mood swings? NPD?




Wm Shakespeare Smithers December 15th 05 10:27 PM

How 'bout it Krause?
 
Harry,
I was thinking you may want to emulate his diet and exercise program. It
might be very healthy for you to make a change.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Harry,
When I saw John's picture from his cruise vacation, he looked very
healthy. I would assume he eat correctly and gets regular exercise. You
may want to ask him about his diet and exercise program.




I'm not that interested in him.



--
Named al Qaeda Recruiter of the Year: George W. Bush




Wayne.B December 15th 05 11:48 PM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:15:58 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I'm always in favor of good manners and fewer snarky, smarmy, unctuous
posters here.


====================

Me too.

Basically I have kill filed all of the usual suspects except you
Harry, not because I approve of your behavior, but because you
ocassionally contribute something about boating that interests me.

I'm now left with these strange threads, like this one, where you
appear to be talking to yourself at great length. That sort of proves
my point that If you'd give up on the inane discourse with these guys,
the news group would be a whole lot cleaner and might eventually
gravitate back towards boats.

Think about it.


JimH December 15th 05 11:58 PM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:15:58 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I'm always in favor of good manners and fewer snarky, smarmy, unctuous
posters here.


====================

Me too.

Basically I have kill filed all of the usual suspects except you
Harry, not because I approve of your behavior, but because you
ocassionally contribute something about boating that interests me.

I'm now left with these strange threads, like this one, where you
appear to be talking to yourself at great length. That sort of proves
my point that If you'd give up on the inane discourse with these guys,
the news group would be a whole lot cleaner and might eventually
gravitate back towards boats.

Think about it.


Is being left off your killfile some sort of honor Wayne? Besides, you
seem to be a bit biased in who you decide is *worthy* of being in it as
Harry remains untouched.

Think about it. ;-)



JimH December 16th 05 12:11 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Harry,
Have you read any of the books concerning NPD?
If your behavior bothers you and you feel the need for help, I
suggest you find a professional provider in your home town, and not
take seriously any perseverations emanating from Fritz, Herring, or
Hertv.


Your list changes hourly Harry. I have been off it all day. In fact
just hours ago you were praising me.

Mood swings? NPD?
I don't think you are the "worst" of the righties here. I never have.

I noticed you were engaged in the same old crap with one of your
adversaries here.

Same crap?

I assume you are talking about Kevin. He is not my adversary Harry.
At times he can post some useful information. But he mainly appears to
be an angry young man who comes here to dump on others. My hope is
that he will quit posting the profanities and constant insults and
become a constructive member of this NG. (Note below that he did so on
12-13).

Here is an example of selections from Kevins posts from the last few
days:
----------------------------------------------

These selections may interest you, but they don't interest me.


You snipped them so I assume they offend you as they do me and, I would
guess, most every member here.



I didn't read through them the last time, and I won't this time.
Why do you think you are in control?

They must not offend you much, because you keep reposting them, eh?



Harry, Harry, Harry. I explained it to you yesterday and you agreed. The
words alone are not offensive, but when used to degrade or attack someone
they are indeed offensive. And I post them only to show the type of
behavior Kevin regularly practices here.

So you condone Kevin's behavior here Harry?




JimH December 16th 05 12:12 AM

How 'bout it Krause?
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Harry,
I was thinking you may want to emulate his diet and exercise program. It
might be very healthy for you to make a change.



I'm not interested in your "thinking."




Are you interested in *thinking* at all? ;-)



Skipper December 16th 05 12:20 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 
JimH wrote:

Harry, Harry, Harry. I explained it to you yesterday and you agreed. The
words alone are not offensive, but when used to degrade or attack someone
they are indeed offensive. And I post them only to show the type of
behavior Kevin regularly practices here.


So you condone Kevin's behavior here Harry?


The words alone *are* offensive. I can't think of one moderated group
where "Kevin's' posts would be allowed. One day his true identity will
be known and his history of abuse will still be documented in the Google
archives for all to see. He's making quite a name for himself...

--
Skipper

JimH December 16th 05 12:24 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:

Harry, Harry, Harry. I explained it to you yesterday and you agreed.
The
words alone are not offensive, but when used to degrade or attack someone
they are indeed offensive. And I post them only to show the type of
behavior Kevin regularly practices here.


So you condone Kevin's behavior here Harry?


The words alone *are* offensive. I can't think of one moderated group
where "Kevin's' posts would be allowed. One day his true identity will
be known and his history of abuse will still be documented in the Google
archives for all to see. He's making quite a name for himself...

--
Skipper


Kevin is indeed the most foul mouth and offensive person on this NG. I am
surprised that some folks like Harry would even try to defend his behavior
here.

With all the computer experts here I am surprised no one can find his true
identity.



JimH December 16th 05 12:25 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:15:58 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I'm always in favor of good manners and fewer snarky, smarmy, unctuous
posters here.
====================

Me too.

Basically I have kill filed all of the usual suspects except you
Harry, not because I approve of your behavior, but because you
ocassionally contribute something about boating that interests me.

I'm now left with these strange threads, like this one, where you
appear to be talking to yourself at great length. That sort of proves
my point that If you'd give up on the inane discourse with these guys,
the news group would be a whole lot cleaner and might eventually
gravitate back towards boats.

Think about it.


Is being left off your killfile some sort of honor Wayne? Besides, you
seem to be a bit biased in who you decide is *worthy* of being in it as
Harry remains untouched.

Think about it. ;-)



There you go, Wayne. See?


Indeed. Wondering why you never made his killfile.

See?



JimH December 16th 05 12:27 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:15:58 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I'm always in favor of good manners and fewer snarky, smarmy, unctuous
posters here.


====================

Me too.

Basically I have kill filed all of the usual suspects except you
Harry, not because I approve of your behavior, but because you
ocassionally contribute something about boating that interests me.

I'm now left with these strange threads, like this one, where you
appear to be talking to yourself at great length. That sort of proves
my point that If you'd give up on the inane discourse with these guys,
the news group would be a whole lot cleaner and might eventually
gravitate back towards boats.

Think about it.


I've not only thought about it, Wayne, I've tried some experiments here

....snip


LOL! Yep, the old "who, me?" tactical stance.

Nice try Krause but you remain, behind Kevin, the worst offender in the NG
for foul language and personal attacks.

Tee-hee.



Skipper December 16th 05 12:30 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 
Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:


How's that "safety" on the double-action S&W pistol you imagined?


I'd much prefer to discuss 'get home' power on that fab Zimmermanlike
36' lobsta boat you continually brag about. Got any pics to share? Have
you had to use it on any of your offshore voyages?

--
Skipper

JimH December 16th 05 12:43 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Skipper" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:

Harry, Harry, Harry. I explained it to you yesterday and you agreed.
The
words alone are not offensive, but when used to degrade or attack
someone
they are indeed offensive. And I post them only to show the type of
behavior Kevin regularly practices here.
So you condone Kevin's behavior here Harry?
The words alone *are* offensive. I can't think of one moderated group
where "Kevin's' posts would be allowed. One day his true identity will
be known and his history of abuse will still be documented in the Google
archives for all to see. He's making quite a name for himself...

--
Skipper


Kevin is indeed the most foul mouth and offensive person on this NG.


Most foul-mouthed? Maybe. I thought Tuuk had that medal.


Nope. Kevin won it lightyears ago.


Most offensive? Not even in the running.


But you are. ;-)



JimH December 16th 05 12:46 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Harry,
Have you read any of the books concerning NPD?
If your behavior bothers you and you feel the need for help, I
suggest you find a professional provider in your home town, and
not take seriously any perseverations emanating from Fritz,
Herring, or Hertv.


Your list changes hourly Harry. I have been off it all day. In
fact just hours ago you were praising me.

Mood swings? NPD?
I don't think you are the "worst" of the righties here. I never
have.

I noticed you were engaged in the same old crap with one of your
adversaries here.

Same crap?

I assume you are talking about Kevin. He is not my adversary Harry.
At times he can post some useful information. But he mainly appears
to be an angry young man who comes here to dump on others. My hope
is that he will quit posting the profanities and constant insults and
become a constructive member of this NG. (Note below that he did so
on 12-13).

Here is an example of selections from Kevins posts from the last few
days:
----------------------------------------------
These selections may interest you, but they don't interest me.
You snipped them so I assume they offend you as they do me and, I would
guess, most every member here.


I didn't read through them the last time, and I won't this time.
Why do you think you are in control?

They must not offend you much, because you keep reposting them, eh?



Harry, Harry, Harry. I explained it to you yesterday and you agreed.
The words alone are not offensive, but when used to degrade or attack
someone they are indeed offensive. And I post them only to show the type
of behavior Kevin regularly practices here.

So you condone Kevin's behavior here Harry?


I don't see any difference between your behavior, Smithers' behavior,
Robbins' behavior, Herring's behavior, Fritz's behavior, and Bass's
behavior. It's all pretty much the same.



And that is your problem as you cannot take away the anti conservative
filter.

I would love to show me posts made by the right as offensive as yours or
Kevin's.




Skipper December 16th 05 12:51 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 
Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:


Skipper wrote:


How's that "safety" on the double-action S&W pistol you imagined?


I'd much prefer to discuss 'get home' power


Why would that interest a boatless cripple in landlocked Derby, Kansas?


LEt's talk about those handguns you imagined you owned.


We've discussed guns in detail. Let's discuss that get home power you
once bragged on.

--
Skipper

John H. December 16th 05 02:00 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:39:45 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:


I also can't understand why he won't engage me in a discussion of bad behavior. I think Wayne's New
Year's resolution idea was a pretty good one.

\

When you start behaving as a gentleman, I'll be glad to treat you as one.


What was ungentlemanly?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

John H. December 16th 05 02:01 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:43:07 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:44:29 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

P Fritz wrote:
"narcissists can't see
Idiot boy Fritz refilled his tank


Harry, have you ever thoughtfully read the NPD symptoms Fritz posts?
--


John, we have a home library here with at least 1000 professional books
on all sorts of emotional and mental problems. Why would I bother to
"thoughtfully" read *anything* Fritz posts?


Because you spend a lot of time at your computer, and it's handy to you.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

Skipper December 16th 05 02:03 AM

Get Home Power
 
Harry Krause wrote:

We've discussed guns in detail. Let's discuss that get home power you
once bragged on.


Yes, we discussed the guns in enough detail...Why would a discussion
of sal****er boats be of interest...?


Well, that's because this is a boating forum and some might find such an
on topic discussion of interest. Suspect we may have more than a few
subscribers who'd like to learn more on the subject.

--
Skipper

John H. December 16th 05 02:05 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:21:07 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:15:58 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I'm always in favor of good manners and fewer snarky, smarmy, unctuous
posters here.


====================

Me too.

Basically I have kill filed all of the usual suspects except you
Harry, not because I approve of your behavior, but because you
ocassionally contribute something about boating that interests me.

I'm now left with these strange threads, like this one, where you
appear to be talking to yourself at great length. That sort of proves
my point that If you'd give up on the inane discourse with these guys,
the news group would be a whole lot cleaner and might eventually
gravitate back towards boats.

Think about it.


I've not only thought about it, Wayne, I've tried some experiments here
to observe what might rid this newsgroup of the boatless or
"no-boat-discussion" right-wing vermin that infests this place, or at
least get them to control themselves a bit. These jerks infest almost
every discussion and lead it to idiocy, leaving nothing behind. And, of
course, they behave as they do whether I'm posting or not, so it really
has little to do with me.

We've got one guy who today says he finds someone else's posts
"offensive," so what does he do? He gathers the offensive parts together
and reposts them a half dozen times, and when I advise him I'm not
interested, he posts them again, in case I missed them. And he's a
sometime boater.


Well, Harry, what do you think of Wayne's New Year's resolution idea?

I've asked about half a dozen times, but you refuse to answer the question.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

Bert Robbins December 16th 05 02:07 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:39:45 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:


I also can't understand why he won't engage me in a discussion of bad
behavior. I think Wayne's New
Year's resolution idea was a pretty good one.

\

When you start behaving as a gentleman, I'll be glad to treat you as one.


What was ungentlemanly?


Harry doesn't know a desert fork from a salad fork, how can he determine
what is gentlemenly versus not.




John H. December 16th 05 02:09 AM

How 'bout a 12-step for Smithers?
 
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:41:45 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:40:38 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
I thought AA has been effective helping alcoholics, and that goes back to
before there were "rehab clinics".

What part of "support group" do you not understand?
AA is a support group. That is all it is.
And its effectiveness is the best.

Effectiveness as what? A support group? Maybe.



I believe he meant effective in keeping the addict 'clean'.
--
John Herring



In the absence of screens and tests?
Data?


Ask him. I was just helping you understand.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

Wayne.B December 16th 05 02:19 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:21:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

And, of
course, they behave as they do whether I'm posting or not, so it really
has little to do with me.


======================================

Not sure I agree with that. At any rate, if you insist on keeping the
ball in play at any cost, perhaps you could cut down the quoted
material to the barest minimum so that I don't accidently run into any
more BS than necessary. Others might appreciate it also.


Smithers December 16th 05 02:19 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 
Harry,

Do you find it funny that Skipper would claim to own a gun, and use that
imaginary gun to make him an expert in the field?

What would you think if Skipper made a Sock Puppet, and then posted from the
same IP, asking Skipper if he didn't meet him down at the shooting range?
Would you question his veracity in most posts where he discussed guns? What
is Skipper made up an imaginary "expert" who he used to belittle your gun
knowledge?

That would be pretty low wouldn't it.




"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:


Skipper wrote:


How's that "safety" on the double-action S&W pistol you imagined?


I'd much prefer to discuss 'get home' power


Why would that interest a boatless cripple in landlocked Derby, Kansas?


LEt's talk about those handguns you imagined you owned.


We've discussed guns in detail. Let's discuss that get home power you
once bragged on.

--
Skipper



Yes, we discussed the guns in enough detail for you to try to b.s. about
the S&W you don't own with the "safety."

Why would a discussion of sal****er boats be of interest to someone stuck
for life in Derby, Kansas?




--
If Jeb runs, let's go to a country with smarter family dictators.




Smithers December 16th 05 02:20 AM

Get Home Power
 
Skipper,
What kind of "Get Home Power" would someone put in a 36' boat?


"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:

We've discussed guns in detail. Let's discuss that get home power you
once bragged on.


Yes, we discussed the guns in enough detail...Why would a discussion
of sal****er boats be of interest...?


Well, that's because this is a boating forum and some might find such an
on topic discussion of interest. Suspect we may have more than a few
subscribers who'd like to learn more on the subject.

--
Skipper




Smithers December 16th 05 02:22 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 
JohnH,
I try to be very polite when I talk to Harry. I might question his politics
and his stories he uses to validate a point, but I try to be polite. I
wonder why Harry is so upset with me.


"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:21:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:15:58 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I'm always in favor of good manners and fewer snarky, smarmy, unctuous
posters here.

====================

Me too.

Basically I have kill filed all of the usual suspects except you
Harry, not because I approve of your behavior, but because you
ocassionally contribute something about boating that interests me.

I'm now left with these strange threads, like this one, where you
appear to be talking to yourself at great length. That sort of proves
my point that If you'd give up on the inane discourse with these guys,
the news group would be a whole lot cleaner and might eventually
gravitate back towards boats.

Think about it.


I've not only thought about it, Wayne, I've tried some experiments here
to observe what might rid this newsgroup of the boatless or
"no-boat-discussion" right-wing vermin that infests this place, or at
least get them to control themselves a bit. These jerks infest almost
every discussion and lead it to idiocy, leaving nothing behind. And, of
course, they behave as they do whether I'm posting or not, so it really
has little to do with me.

We've got one guy who today says he finds someone else's posts
"offensive," so what does he do? He gathers the offensive parts together
and reposts them a half dozen times, and when I advise him I'm not
interested, he posts them again, in case I missed them. And he's a
sometime boater.


Well, Harry, what do you think of Wayne's New Year's resolution idea?

I've asked about half a dozen times, but you refuse to answer the
question.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!




JimH December 16th 05 02:27 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:21:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

And, of
course, they behave as they do whether I'm posting or not, so it really
has little to do with me.


======================================

Not sure I agree with that. At any rate, if you insist on keeping the
ball in play at any cost, perhaps you could cut down the quoted
material to the barest minimum so that I don't accidently run into any
more BS than necessary. Others might appreciate it also.


So why do you tolerate Krause and not others who perhaps contribute more to
this NG than he does.?



Smithers December 16th 05 02:42 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 
JimH,
Wayne, like all of us, has his biases. He obviously likes Harry or his
politics, so he gives Harry a ride. I am surprised that he doesn't find
Harry's political trolls repetitive, but Wayne is using filters the way they
are supposed to be used. He filters out posts he doesn't want to read, and
he very rarely mentions those he has filtered. He never discusses or use
his "filters" as an avenue to insult others.



" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:21:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

And, of
course, they behave as they do whether I'm posting or not, so it really
has little to do with me.


======================================

Not sure I agree with that. At any rate, if you insist on keeping the
ball in play at any cost, perhaps you could cut down the quoted
material to the barest minimum so that I don't accidently run into any
more BS than necessary. Others might appreciate it also.


So why do you tolerate Krause and not others who perhaps contribute more
to this NG than he does.?





JimH December 16th 05 02:47 AM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 
I realize that Smithers.

My question was rhetorical in nature as I am sure you understood.. ;-)


"Smithers" Yes, Smithers is not my real name. wrote in message
. ..
JimH,
Wayne, like all of us, has his biases. He obviously likes Harry or his
politics, so he gives Harry a ride. I am surprised that he doesn't find
Harry's political trolls repetitive, but Wayne is using filters the way
they
are supposed to be used. He filters out posts he doesn't want to read,
and
he very rarely mentions those he has filtered. He never discusses or use
his "filters" as an avenue to insult others.



" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:21:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

And, of
course, they behave as they do whether I'm posting or not, so it really
has little to do with me.

======================================

Not sure I agree with that. At any rate, if you insist on keeping the
ball in play at any cost, perhaps you could cut down the quoted
material to the barest minimum so that I don't accidently run into any
more BS than necessary. Others might appreciate it also.


So why do you tolerate Krause and not others who perhaps contribute more
to this NG than he does.?







Skipper December 16th 05 03:08 AM

Get Home Power
 
Smithers wrote:

Skipper,
What kind of "Get Home Power" would someone put in a 36' boat?


Believe I'd opt for the traditional auxiliary in a sailboat. Harry
claimed to have a dedicated wing engine in that fab 36-footer, not a
mechanical hookup to the generator. I simply didn't believe Harry's
story. Further, It's my thought that there are better options than going
wing engine for the type of boat Harry claimed to own...and
particularly, for the type of boating he claims to do.

--
Skipper

Smithers December 16th 05 03:33 AM

Get Home Power
 
Harry,
What do you think about Skippers idea of having a mechanical hookup to the
generator? I am sure when you were making up the story about a dedicated
wing engine you had a review of the benefits of either system. What did
they say?


"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Smithers wrote:

Skipper,
What kind of "Get Home Power" would someone put in a 36' boat?


Believe I'd opt for the traditional auxiliary in a sailboat. Harry
claimed to have a dedicated wing engine in that fab 36-footer, not a
mechanical hookup to the generator. I simply didn't believe Harry's
story. Further, It's my thought that there are better options than going
wing engine for the type of boat Harry claimed to own...and
particularly, for the type of boating he claims to do.

--
Skipper




Smithers December 16th 05 03:44 AM

Get Home Power
 
Harry,
I know you don't want to publish pictures of your "Lobster Boat", how about
just a picture of your "Get Home Power"?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
Smithers wrote:

Skipper,
What kind of "Get Home Power" would someone put in a 36' boat?


Believe I'd opt for the traditional auxiliary in a sailboat. Harry
claimed to have a dedicated wing engine in that fab 36-footer, not a
mechanical hookup to the generator. I simply didn't believe Harry's
story. Further, It's my thought that there are better options than going
wing engine for the type of boat Harry claimed to own...and
particularly, for the type of boating he claims to do. --
Skipper



The very concept of a landlocker like you pretending to have any actual
expertise whatsoever about sal****er boats transcends absurd.

It's your "thought there are better systems..." coming from an old cripple
like you who lives in Derby, Kansas, and knows next to nothing about boats
that make anyone who does know about boats giggle at your ignorance.

Encountered any sudden-onset Tostitos lately with 30-foot waves crashing
against the bow of your Bayliner with the strap-on tanks? My guess is the
only Mexican waters you see are from the cooler at your local Taco Bell.

Oh...no one knowledgeable about S&W history seems to have ever encountered
a double-action .357 with a safety as you described. Horace Smith and
Daniel Wesson are rolling in their graves with that b.s. tale.

Where'd you buy that S&W? Done Mexico way?



--
Support our Troops: Bring Them Home Now!




Smithers December 16th 05 03:54 AM

Get Home Power
 
Harry,
Let me get this straight. You are too scared to discuss your "Get Home
Power", but I am the coward, a liar, and a weasel?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Smithers wrote:
Harry,
What do you think about Skippers idea of having a mechanical hookup to
the generator? I am sure when you were making up the story about a
dedicated wing engine you had a review of the benefits of either system.
What did they say?


Skipper's idea? That isn't Skipper's idea. It's an idea with a long
history. Oh, and Skipper's concept of what system I spec'd a figment of
his imagination. Despite his begging, I never provided him with details.

AS for the rest of your comment, it is your usual b.s. and requires no
response.

I note once again that you are a coward, a liar, and a weasel.




--
Jesus: A Long Haired, Peace Loving, Anti Establishment, Liberal.




Skipper December 16th 05 04:31 AM

Get Home Power
 
Harry Krause wrote:

What kind of "Get Home Power" would someone put in a 36' boat?


Believe I'd opt for the traditional auxiliary in a sailboat. Harry
claimed to have a dedicated wing engine in that fab 36-footer, not a
mechanical hookup to the generator. I simply didn't believe Harry's
story. Further, It's my thought that there are better options than going
wing engine for the type of boat Harry claimed to own...and
particularly, for the type of boating he claims to do.


The very concept of a landlocker like you pretending to have any actual
expertise whatsoever about sal****er boats transcends absurd.


It's your "thought there are better systems..." coming from an old
cripple like you who lives in Derby, Kansas, and knows next to nothing
about boats that make anyone who does know about boats giggle at your
ignorance.


Encountered any sudden-onset Tostitos lately with 30-foot waves crashing
against the bow of your Bayliner with the strap-on tanks? My guess is
the only Mexican waters you see are from the cooler at your local Taco Bell.


Man, how Krause bobs and weaves as he avoids this direct boating related
discussion with Skipper. Perhaps he's had his tootsies burned once too
often. Wish he did know a thing or two about 'get homes'. It would have
been interesting...and revealing.

--
Skipper

markvictor December 16th 05 05:44 AM

Get Home Power
 
If I might be so naive as to assume the come home power question was
semi-legit,I'll
throw in my two or three cents worth.....On a twin engine boat I have
found that a third shaft,on centerline,works well with a genset PTO or
an auxillary engine...But in a single engine config. such as in many
trawlers,etc.,there are some inherent problems with a wing engine
configuration, most notable is the tendency to yaw excessively making
navigating tedious at best; the exception would be a deep full keeled
hull such as in the Nordhavens, and similar, or boats with fin
stabilization. Otherwise I think the mechanical link to the genset is
more manageable (in open water) but you do sacrifice any close-quarter
control...
The comprimise to this is a third option...a pto driven hydraulic pump,
connected to a hydraulic motor with a similar chain and sprocket
coupling to those used in many genset get home set ups...the advantages
are that with some not too complex plumbing you can retain some
throttle capabilities, as well as directional control. On a side note,
some guys in my area are doing active test and evaluation on a Catalina
36 with an electrical drive, powered by hydrogen fuel cells...on the
surface ,seems like no big deal, but here's the rub... they are
extracting their hydrogen in real-time from seawater,using wind,
photovoltaic, and a water-driven alternator for the hydrogen extraction
energy.
It's not perpetual motion, but close enough to raise a lot of
interest...(takes a lot of interest to get Frank Butler to donate a 36
Catalina for Any purpose) Could have all sorts of interesting
applications..I think they are able to make way at a sustained 5 knots,
and are shooting for 7....stay tuned..
regards,
markvictor


Smithers December 16th 05 09:28 AM

Get Home Power
 
Harry,
OK, let me get this straight. You are still too scared to discuss your "Get
Home Power" and you find it best to do a duck and cover by calling me names?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Smithers wrote:
Harry,
Let me get this straight. You are too scared to discuss your "Get Home
Power", but I am the coward, a liar, and a weasel?

You're really trying, eh?
Is there any reason to engage you in any sort of conversation here?

Yeah, you're a coward. Almost every post of yours in this newsgroup is
your attempt to insult someone, and you don't have the balls to post with
your real name or to introduce yourself with your real name at a lunch
meeting you were trying to set up.

You're a coward, hiding behind your the skirts of your fake ID here.
Amd for good reason. Anyone who posted here what you post here and used a
real name would get finally offend "the wrong person" and end up getting
punched in the nose.

It was interesting the other day seeing how many posts you put here here
"denying" you were a coward. Every single one of those posts confirmed you
as Yellowstain Smithers.

You don't have the balls to post here with your real name and behave as
you do. You don't even have the balls to introduce yourself with your real
name at a meeting you wanted.

You are a pusillanimous pussy.




--
I'm proud of my country, but appalled by my government.




Skipper December 16th 05 01:27 PM

Get Home Power
 
Harry Krause wrote:

The home power question from Skipper was not semi-legit, or any sort of
legit.


Oh, but it was. I must however admit that I knew you'd not engage in a
substantive boating discussion. Your forte seems to be insult, then duck
'n cover. You're quite the mensch, Krause, a true profile in courage.

--
Skipper

P Fritz December 16th 05 02:31 PM

Get Home Power
 
What else would you expect from a NPD sufferer

"Narcissists are (a) extremely sensitive to personal criticism and (b)
extremely critical of other people"

"no matter how gently you suggest that they might do better to change
their ways or get some help, they will react in one of two equally horrible
ways: they will attack or they will withdraw."

"Smithers" Yes, Smithers is not my real name. wrote in message
. ..
Harry,
OK, let me get this straight. You are still too scared to discuss your

"Get
Home Power" and you find it best to do a duck and cover by calling me

names?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Smithers wrote:
Harry,
Let me get this straight. You are too scared to discuss your "Get Home
Power", but I am the coward, a liar, and a weasel?

You're really trying, eh?
Is there any reason to engage you in any sort of conversation here?

Yeah, you're a coward. Almost every post of yours in this newsgroup is
your attempt to insult someone, and you don't have the balls to post

with
your real name or to introduce yourself with your real name at a lunch
meeting you were trying to set up.

You're a coward, hiding behind your the skirts of your fake ID here.
Amd for good reason. Anyone who posted here what you post here and used

a
real name would get finally offend "the wrong person" and end up getting
punched in the nose.

It was interesting the other day seeing how many posts you put here here
"denying" you were a coward. Every single one of those posts confirmed

you
as Yellowstain Smithers.

You don't have the balls to post here with your real name and behave as
you do. You don't even have the balls to introduce yourself with your

real
name at a meeting you wanted.

You are a pusillanimous pussy.




--
I'm proud of my country, but appalled by my government.






JLH December 16th 05 03:09 PM

How 'bout it pig pilers
 
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:27:51 -0500, " JimH" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:21:07 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

And, of
course, they behave as they do whether I'm posting or not, so it really
has little to do with me.


======================================

Not sure I agree with that. At any rate, if you insist on keeping the
ball in play at any cost, perhaps you could cut down the quoted
material to the barest minimum so that I don't accidently run into any
more BS than necessary. Others might appreciate it also.


So why do you tolerate Krause and not others who perhaps contribute more to
this NG than he does.?


That's a good question for Wayne to see. Maybe he could encourage Harry to adopt a New Year's
resolution.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

Smithers December 16th 05 04:32 PM

Get Home Power
 
Harry,
Why don't you call our bluff, and tell us about your Get Home Power, that
sure would help your case instead of this cowardly name calling and running
away.




"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

The home power question from Skipper was not semi-legit, or any sort of
legit.


Oh, but it was. I must however admit that I knew you'd not engage in a
substantive boating discussion. Your forte seems to be insult, then duck
'n cover. You're quite the mensch, Krause, a true profile in courage.

--
Skipper



As soon as your "handle" pops up as "poster," no substantive discussion is
possible. In that regard, you're no different than Fritz, Smithers,
Jackoff, and a few other righties. You fellow aren't here to discuss;
you're here to disrupt. And the fact that you are a self-admitted
Jew-hating, black-hating neo-Nazi doesn't help your position.

Why are you still in Derby, Kansas, Skipper? You told us all years ago you
were moving to the coast so you could buy a world-class cruiser and ply
the ocean's waters.

Kinda tough doing that from the waters around Derby, eh?



--
Pro-life: Valuing human zygotes up until birth.




Dan Krueger December 17th 05 01:33 AM

Get Home Power
 
Harry Krause wrote:

Smithers wrote:

Harry,
Let me get this straight. You are too scared to discuss your "Get
Home Power", but I am the coward, a liar, and a weasel?

You're really trying, eh?
Is there any reason to engage you in any sort of conversation here?

Yeah, you're a coward. Almost every post of yours in this newsgroup is
your attempt to insult someone, and you don't have the balls to post
with your real name or to introduce yourself with your real name at a
lunch meeting you were trying to set up.


Hmmm. Kevin Noble/atl_man/basskisser, whatever...does this sound familiar?

You're a coward, hiding behind your the skirts of your fake ID here.
Amd for good reason. Anyone who posted here what you post here and used
a real name would get finally offend "the wrong person" and end up
getting punched in the nose.


Kevin?


You don't have the balls to post here with your real name and behave as
you do. You don't even have the balls to introduce yourself with your
real name at a meeting you wanted.


Kevin?


You are a pusillanimous pussy.


Kevin!

Smithers December 17th 05 03:10 AM

Get Home Power
 
Dan,
I think Harry is upset because I offered to meet him for lunch, and sit
across the table from him. I wanted to see if Harry is as weak as I imagine
him to be.

Unfortunately, Harry is too weak and cowardly to even meet for lunch. I can
understand why.


"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
k.net...
Harry Krause wrote:

Smithers wrote:

Harry,
Let me get this straight. You are too scared to discuss your "Get Home
Power", but I am the coward, a liar, and a weasel?

You're really trying, eh?
Is there any reason to engage you in any sort of conversation here?

Yeah, you're a coward. Almost every post of yours in this newsgroup is
your attempt to insult someone, and you don't have the balls to post with
your real name or to introduce yourself with your real name at a lunch
meeting you were trying to set up.


Hmmm. Kevin Noble/atl_man/basskisser, whatever...does this sound
familiar?

You're a coward, hiding behind your the skirts of your fake ID here.
Amd for good reason. Anyone who posted here what you post here and used a
real name would get finally offend "the wrong person" and end up getting
punched in the nose.


Kevin?


You don't have the balls to post here with your real name and behave as
you do. You don't even have the balls to introduce yourself with your
real name at a meeting you wanted.


Kevin?


You are a pusillanimous pussy.


Kevin!





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