How 'bout it Krause?
 

Harry,

If I feel seriously ill, I would hope my wife would insist I seek medical
help, even if I wanted to ignore the problem. I have had some minor
physical health problems that I wanted to ignore. I went to the doctor just
to get my wife to leave me alone, she can be a real pain when she wants to
be. I would assume most doctors, therapists and social workers suggest 12
Step and or Support Groups for both mental and physical chronic illnesses as
a supplement to other treatment.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
JohnH,

There are 12 step groups for just about everything. I looked in Google
for a 12 step group for NPD and found there are support groups for the
victims of NPD, but those with the illness rarely seek help. One of the
problems mentioned is those with NPD would always try to take advantage
the other members of the group.


More amateur hour? If you fell seriously ill with multiple symptoms and
had no idea what was causing them, would you seek professional help or
would you start playing guessing games with the data on internet sites?

Sometimes a 12-step program will provide the support an addict needs, but
that addict also will need therapy and other assistance. 12-stepping is no
substitute for therapy.




--
Named al Qaeda Recruiter of the Year: George W. Bush

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

Harry,

I have nothing to hide nor consider myself a coward, but I hate to tell you
this, having lunch with you would not be high on my list of priorities. I
would be interesting to see how your real life persona matches up with your
UseNet persona.

I have always followed the advice of Internet Experts in reference to
privacy and security. It is not cowardly to be prudent in basic security
issues. I can't imagine why I would ignore their advice, just so you and I
can have lunch.

Your outburst yesterday highlights the importance of following the advice of
the experts.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:55:43 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The
WordSmith wrote:

JohnH,

There are 12 step groups for just about everything. I looked in Google
for a 12 step group for NPD and found there are support groups for the
victims of NPD, but those with the illness rarely seek help. One of the
problems mentioned is those with NPD would always try to take advantage
the other members of the group.

I did find many links that warned people to be concerned if someone with
NPD makes a threat. It appears that NPD can be very dangerous if they
feel threatened.

When I first started using the Internet, my ISP warned about Security
and Privacy issues. I started using an anonymous ID for Internet
Security and financial info security, not personal security, after
reading about NPD I am glad I have always followed the advice of the
experts. Hell would freeze over before I would give any personal info
to someone with NPD.



Other than the occasional 'Kevin' post, I don't think I've ever seen such
a hissy-fit thrown in a
news group. What is even more surprising is the lack of support Harry
received from his followers.
Apparently his followers saw through your ploy about the same time Harry
took the bait.

I expect he'll be 'cowed-down' for a while.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!


Header changed to reflect a bit of right-wing pig piling.

Oh, I don't need nor do I look for "support" in newsgroups, as you fellows
seem to. I did get a couple of emails that giggled along with me.

I did notice that once I insisted on knowing Smithers' real name before I
met him for lunch, he quieted right down. The only conclusion can be that
he really is a coward, or he has something to hide.



--
Named al Qaeda Recruiter of the Year: George W. Bush

How 'bout it Krause?
 

Yom Kipper is a great concept, it allows all Jews to make amends to G_d for
all their sins against G_d and just as importantly Jews must make amends to
anyone they faulted, before Yom Kipper. As Jon Stewart says "What a great
religion, one day of atonement and you are forgiven, TOP THAT".

Since the Catholic faith is a spin off of Judaism, I always thought the
priest would require similar amends for sins against man.
I did a quick Google and my understanding is basically correct.
from: http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p2s2c2a4.htm As I said, for
all of their faults, Christianity is one hell of a concept. ; )
"Many sins wrong our neighbor. One must do what is possible in order to
repair the harm (e.g., return stolen goods, restore the reputation of
someone slandered, pay compensation for injuries). Simple justice requires
as much. But sin also injures and weakens the sinner himself, as well as his
relationships with God and neighbor. Absolution takes away sin, but it does
not remedy all the disorders sin has caused.62 Raised up from sin, the
sinner must still recover his full spiritual health by doing something more
to make amends for the sin: he must "make satisfaction for" or "expiate" his
sins. This satisfaction is also called "penance."

1460 The penance the confessor imposes must take into account the penitent's
personal situation and must seek his spiritual good. It must correspond as
far as possible with the gravity and nature of the sins committed. It can
consist of prayer, an offering, works of mercy, service of neighbor,
voluntary self-denial, sacrifices, and above all the patient acceptance of
the cross we must bear. Such penances help configure us to Christ, who alone
expiated our sins once for all. They allow us to become co-heirs with the
risen Christ, "provided we suffer with him."63


The satisfaction that we make for our sins, however, is not so much ours
as though it were not done through Jesus Christ. We who can do nothing
ourselves, as if just by ourselves, can do all things with the cooperation
of "him who strengthens" us. Thus man has nothing of which to boast, but all
our boasting is in Christ . . . in whom we make satisfaction by bringing
forth "fruits that befit repentance." These fruits have their efficacy from
him, by him they are offered to the Father, and through him they are
accepted by the Father.64
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Most 12 step groups require some kind of reasonable amends, and it might
be just apologizing or it might be more detailed. I am not sure what a
priest would do, but again, my guess is if the person could make some
kind of amends, he would probably be asked to do that as part of his
"penance".

I am just guessing, maybe some of our Catholic friends who sin can
provide us with more info.

Do you agree that it is amazing how practical the Bible can be? I am not
suggesting their are not conflicts and hypocrisy within Christianity and
churches (what group or organization does not suffer from these
problems), but that the bible does provide an excellent roadmap to live
by.



My question had nothing to do with 12-step support groups, but rather with
Christian theology as practiced between a supplicant and his/her
confessor.

I don't believe there is a requirement in Christianity to make amends to
those one has "sinned against," as it ere, before receiving absolution.
Interestingly, there is such a requirement in Judaism, if my memory of
Theology 101 serves. A Jew cannot expect to be forgiven for sins against
the creator's laws until he has made amends for his sins against his
fellow man.

How 'bout it Krause?
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Harry,
You have stated many times you celebrate the holiday of
Christmas, even
though you are not a Christian. I am sure I can Google it up
very
easily.


I don't give a crap what you google up.
I'm not a Christian. I do not pray to or through Jesus, nor do I
have even
the slightest belief that Jesus was who Christians claim. I
certainly
don't "celebrate the holiday" of Christmas in any sort of
"Christian" way.

Yes, I admire Christmas decorations, and I like a lot of the
classical
Christmas music. I even sometimes go to a church for reasons you
do not
know.

To be absolved of your sins you must in your heart truly repent.
Otherwise,
it is just you trying to buy your way into heaven.


I understand the Christian concept of absolution, but I've not been able
to figure out how Christians absolve themselves for sins against their
fellow man.

Kind of like the union thugs beating up independent workers when the
union is on strike.



'fess up, Bertie...did you join the marines because you were just too
stupid to get into college?

No, I left a Government Job at the USDA to join the USMCR.

Which is not to say that all who do so are stupid.

True, you will find the smartest people in the Corps. There is something to
being a member of an elite fighting force.

You, on the other hand, couldn't get into the military if you tried to pay
your way in.

But you sure are.

The Corps wanted me to consider becoming a Zero but, I decided that it was
better being one of the troops actually doing stuff instead of pushing paper
in the company office.

How 'bout it Krause?
 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:03:34 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
JohnH,

There are 12 step groups for just about everything. I looked in Google for
a 12 step group for NPD and found there are support groups for the victims
of NPD, but those with the illness rarely seek help. One of the problems
mentioned is those with NPD would always try to take advantage the other
members of the group.


More amateur hour? If you fell seriously ill with multiple symptoms and
had no idea what was causing them, would you seek professional help or
would you start playing guessing games with the data on internet sites?

Sometimes a 12-step program will provide the support an addict needs,
but that addict also will need therapy and other assistance. 12-stepping
is no substitute for therapy.

You've much to learn 12-step programs.

The question was whether or not a 12-step program helped disorders *other* than addictions. Although
not specifically addressed, the question of NPD was answered by Reggie. Do you have other
information?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:14:08 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:55:43 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote:

JohnH,

There are 12 step groups for just about everything. I looked in Google for
a 12 step group for NPD and found there are support groups for the victims
of NPD, but those with the illness rarely seek help. One of the problems
mentioned is those with NPD would always try to take advantage the other
members of the group.

I did find many links that warned people to be concerned if someone with NPD
makes a threat. It appears that NPD can be very dangerous if they feel
threatened.

When I first started using the Internet, my ISP warned about Security and
Privacy issues. I started using an anonymous ID for Internet Security and
financial info security, not personal security, after reading about NPD I
am glad I have always followed the advice of the experts. Hell would freeze
over before I would give any personal info to someone with NPD.



Other than the occasional 'Kevin' post, I don't think I've ever seen such a hissy-fit thrown in a
news group. What is even more surprising is the lack of support Harry received from his followers.
Apparently his followers saw through your ploy about the same time Harry took the bait.

I expect he'll be 'cowed-down' for a while.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!


Header changed to reflect a bit of right-wing pig piling.

Oh, I don't need nor do I look for "support" in newsgroups, as you
fellows seem to. I did get a couple of emails that giggled along with me.

I did notice that once I insisted on knowing Smithers' real name before
I met him for lunch, he quieted right down. The only conclusion can be
that he really is a coward, or he has something to hide.

Harry, you know my name, or at least most of it, and *I* wouldn't meet you for lunch. I'm neither a
coward nor one with something to hide from you.

No one suggested you were looking for support. I suggested that your position must not have been so
tenable if even your ardent supporters wouldn't touch it, except to say you were being 'piled on'.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:39:12 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Harry,

I have nothing to hide nor consider myself a coward, but I hate to tell you
this, having lunch with you would not be high on my list of priorities.


Ahh, that must be why you invited me to catch up with you in Baltimore
for lunch.

He was just hoping you'd bring a picture of the lobsta boat.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

JohnH,

I was curious about Harry's real life persona. I have an image in my head
and I was wondering if it was accurate, but it still is not a big deal.

My guess is Harry wanted to know my name, and once he had that info he would
not have meet for lunch. In the past, he has always found an excuse not to
meet up with someone.

There is a reason why Harry wants to know my personal info, and I guess it
is not to send me a Christmas Card. It is best to keep your personal info
off of the internet. One could really open up a can of worms for someone
with very little effort, and when you see how some people take rec.boats way
to seriously, you can understand why. As little as I know about the
internet, if I wanted to, I could easily cause Harry problems outside of
rec.boats.

When someone says he is creating a dossier about me, it does send up red
flags. I would assume someone who considered himself a computer wiz could
cause some serious problems.

I think I will remain, Smithers.




"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:39:12 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Harry,

I have nothing to hide nor consider myself a coward, but I hate to tell
you
this, having lunch with you would not be high on my list of
priorities.


Ahh, that must be why you invited me to catch up with you in Baltimore
for lunch.

He was just hoping you'd bring a picture of the lobsta boat.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:00:33 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:14:08 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:55:43 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote:

JohnH,

There are 12 step groups for just about everything. I looked in Google for
a 12 step group for NPD and found there are support groups for the victims
of NPD, but those with the illness rarely seek help. One of the problems
mentioned is those with NPD would always try to take advantage the other
members of the group.

I did find many links that warned people to be concerned if someone with NPD
makes a threat. It appears that NPD can be very dangerous if they feel
threatened.

When I first started using the Internet, my ISP warned about Security and
Privacy issues. I started using an anonymous ID for Internet Security and
financial info security, not personal security, after reading about NPD I
am glad I have always followed the advice of the experts. Hell would freeze
over before I would give any personal info to someone with NPD.


Other than the occasional 'Kevin' post, I don't think I've ever seen such a hissy-fit thrown in a
news group. What is even more surprising is the lack of support Harry received from his followers.
Apparently his followers saw through your ploy about the same time Harry took the bait.

I expect he'll be 'cowed-down' for a while.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!

Header changed to reflect a bit of right-wing pig piling.

Oh, I don't need nor do I look for "support" in newsgroups, as you
fellows seem to. I did get a couple of emails that giggled along with me.

I did notice that once I insisted on knowing Smithers' real name before
I met him for lunch, he quieted right down. The only conclusion can be
that he really is a coward, or he has something to hide.

Harry, you know my name, or at least most of it, and *I* wouldn't meet you for lunch. I'm neither a
coward nor one with something to hide from you.


That's because you are an ill-mannered horse's ass. Not my problem.

....as opposed to a well-mannered horse's ass?

Didn't we add name-calling to the 'bad behavior' list?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it Krause?
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:


'fess up, Bertie...did you join the marines because you were just too
stupid to get into college?

No, I left a Government Job at the USDA to join the USMCR.

Which is not to say that all who do so are stupid.

True, you will find the smartest people in the Corps. There is something
to being a member of an elite fighting force.


Where might one find the "smartest people in the Corps"? Wherever they
were when you were playing weekend warrior, you weren't among them.

Most of the senior enlisted have bachelors degrees and quite a few have
masters and there are some that have doctorates. This is in all of the
military services. A guy can put in 20 as an enlisted man and get whatever
education he wants and then once he retires he can embark on career number
two.


You, on the other hand, couldn't get into the military if you tried to
pay your way in.

Yeah, right. fog a mirror, no serious physical ailments, and off to boot
camp you go. Like you.

Shows your ignorance, again.

How 'bout it Krause?
 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:59:17 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:03:34 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
JohnH,

There are 12 step groups for just about everything. I looked in Google for
a 12 step group for NPD and found there are support groups for the victims
of NPD, but those with the illness rarely seek help. One of the problems
mentioned is those with NPD would always try to take advantage the other
members of the group.

More amateur hour? If you fell seriously ill with multiple symptoms and
had no idea what was causing them, would you seek professional help or
would you start playing guessing games with the data on internet sites?

Sometimes a 12-step program will provide the support an addict needs,
but that addict also will need therapy and other assistance. 12-stepping
is no substitute for therapy.

You've much to learn 12-step programs.

The question was whether or not a 12-step program helped disorders *other* than addictions. Although
not specifically addressed, the question of NPD was answered by Reggie. Do you have other
information?
--
John Herring

I would agree that 12-step programs help *some* sufferers of various
addictions with support. The "addiction" 12-step programs are support
groups.

That's better.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:07:28 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote:

JohnH,

I was curious about Harry's real life persona. I have an image in my head
and I was wondering if it was accurate, but it still is not a big deal.

My guess is Harry wanted to know my name, and once he had that info he would
not have meet for lunch. In the past, he has always found an excuse not to
meet up with someone.

There is a reason why Harry wants to know my personal info, and I guess it
is not to send me a Christmas Card. It is best to keep your personal info
off of the internet. One could really open up a can of worms for someone
with very little effort, and when you see how some people take rec.boats way
to seriously, you can understand why. As little as I know about the
internet, if I wanted to, I could easily cause Harry problems outside of
rec.boats.

When someone says he is creating a dossier about me, it does send up red
flags. I would assume someone who considered himself a computer wiz could
cause some serious problems.

I think I will remain, Smithers.


I believe Harry has a data base going in which he stores every bit of personal information he can
glean from his readings on the group.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

Ok. Is that you story and you are sticking to it?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
JohnH,

I was curious about Harry's real life persona. I have an image in my
head and I was wondering if it was accurate, but it still is not a big
deal.

My guess is Harry wanted to know my name, and once he had that info he
would not have meet for lunch. In the past, he has always found an
excuse not to meet up with someone.


Oh, I would have been there, but there is no chance you would have.
I have no interest in the details of your sorry life beyond your name.
Everything else I care to know about you I already know, from your
behavior here.

The lunch would have given me the opportunity to see if you are as big a
horse's ass in person as you are in this newsgroup, that's all.

But you didn't even have the balls to meet for lunch.



--
Named al Qaeda Recruiter of the Year: George W. Bush

How 'bout it Krause?
 

I thought AA has been effective helping alcoholics, and that goes back to
before there were "rehab clinics".




"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:59:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:03:34 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
JohnH,

There are 12 step groups for just about everything. I looked in
Google for a 12 step group for NPD and found there are support groups
for the victims of NPD, but those with the illness rarely seek help.
One of the problems mentioned is those with NPD would always try to
take advantage the other members of the group.
More amateur hour? If you fell seriously ill with multiple symptoms
and had no idea what was causing them, would you seek professional
help or would you start playing guessing games with the data on
internet sites?

Sometimes a 12-step program will provide the support an addict needs,
but that addict also will need therapy and other assistance.
12-stepping is no substitute for therapy.
You've much to learn 12-step programs.

The question was whether or not a 12-step program helped disorders
*other* than addictions. Although
not specifically addressed, the question of NPD was answered by Reggie.
Do you have other
information?
--
John Herring
I would agree that 12-step programs help *some* sufferers of various
addictions with support. The "addiction" 12-step programs are support
groups.

That's better.
--


Better? It's no different than my original position. All the 12-step
programs offer is support. It takes a lot more than "support" for most
addicts to kick their habits.

Are you a graduate of a 12-step support group?



--
Named al Qaeda Recruiter of the Year: George W. Bush

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

OK

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Ok. Is that you story and you are sticking to it?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
JohnH,

I was curious about Harry's real life persona. I have an image in my
head and I was wondering if it was accurate, but it still is not a big
deal.

My guess is Harry wanted to know my name, and once he had that info he
would not have meet for lunch. In the past, he has always found an
excuse not to meet up with someone.

Oh, I would have been there, but there is no chance you would have.
I have no interest in the details of your sorry life beyond your name.
Everything else I care to know about you I already know, from your
behavior here.

The lunch would have given me the opportunity to see if you are as big a
horse's ass in person as you are in this newsgroup, that's all.

But you didn't even have the balls to meet for lunch.



--
Named al Qaeda Recruiter of the Year: George W. Bush




What, that you didn't have the balls to show up for lunch?

You're the one who backed out when I insisted on knowing the
first and last name of the person who wanted to meet me.

Meeting someone "by appointment" whose name I don't know is NOT something
I would do under any circumstances. I wasn't into computer
dating when it was "the" thing to do, and I'm not into it now.

Frankly, your reluctance makes me wonder whether you are a peculiar sort
of sexual predator who has the hots for older, balding men.

More likely, though, it is just another manifestation of your cowardice.

And we already know you are a coward.






--
Named al Qaeda Recruiter of the Year: George W. Bush

How 'bout a 12-step for Smithers?
 

Harry,
I really have no idea where you are going with this thread, but I am bored
with it.

Enjoy.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
I thought AA has been effective helping alcoholics, and that goes back to
before there were "rehab clinics".


What part of "support group" do you not understand?
AA is a support group. That is all it is.

"Rehab" clinics do more than provide support, but they also provide
support, sometimes in conjunction with AA, sometimes not.

There also are other ways of treating addition.

There's more than one cover for the pot.




--
Named al Qaeda Recruiter of the Year: George W. Bush

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:34:06 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:00:33 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:14:08 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:55:43 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote:

JohnH,

There are 12 step groups for just about everything. I looked in Google for
a 12 step group for NPD and found there are support groups for the victims
of NPD, but those with the illness rarely seek help. One of the problems
mentioned is those with NPD would always try to take advantage the other
members of the group.

I did find many links that warned people to be concerned if someone with NPD
makes a threat. It appears that NPD can be very dangerous if they feel
threatened.

When I first started using the Internet, my ISP warned about Security and
Privacy issues. I started using an anonymous ID for Internet Security and
financial info security, not personal security, after reading about NPD I
am glad I have always followed the advice of the experts. Hell would freeze
over before I would give any personal info to someone with NPD.


Other than the occasional 'Kevin' post, I don't think I've ever seen such a hissy-fit thrown in a
news group. What is even more surprising is the lack of support Harry received from his followers.
Apparently his followers saw through your ploy about the same time Harry took the bait.

I expect he'll be 'cowed-down' for a while.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!
Header changed to reflect a bit of right-wing pig piling.

Oh, I don't need nor do I look for "support" in newsgroups, as you
fellows seem to. I did get a couple of emails that giggled along with me.

I did notice that once I insisted on knowing Smithers' real name before
I met him for lunch, he quieted right down. The only conclusion can be
that he really is a coward, or he has something to hide.
Harry, you know my name, or at least most of it, and *I* wouldn't meet you for lunch. I'm neither a
coward nor one with something to hide from you.

That's because you are an ill-mannered horse's ass. Not my problem.

...as opposed to a well-mannered horse's ass?

Didn't we add name-calling to the 'bad behavior' list?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!


Your tone constitutes another form of name-calling. As you as you act
like a horse's ass here, you'll be one.

Now you're complaining about my singing?

Not sure how to translate the second sentence.

What do you think of Wayne's idea to have a New Year's resolution to behave better?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:38:41 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:07:28 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote:



I believe Harry has a data base going in which he stores every bit of personal information he can
glean from his readings on the group.
--

You might want to consider joining a 12-step program for psychotics.
You're out of touch with reality.

Was that supposed to be a denial?

What do you think of Wayne's idea? Pretty good, huh? We could all try to keep the name-calling,
snarkiness, etc. out of the group.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:54:53 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Ok. Is that you story and you are sticking to it?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
JohnH,

I was curious about Harry's real life persona. I have an image in my
head and I was wondering if it was accurate, but it still is not a big
deal.

My guess is Harry wanted to know my name, and once he had that info he
would not have meet for lunch. In the past, he has always found an
excuse not to meet up with someone.

Oh, I would have been there, but there is no chance you would have.
I have no interest in the details of your sorry life beyond your name.
Everything else I care to know about you I already know, from your
behavior here.

The lunch would have given me the opportunity to see if you are as big a
horse's ass in person as you are in this newsgroup, that's all.

But you didn't even have the balls to meet for lunch.



--
Named al Qaeda Recruiter of the Year: George W. Bush




What, that you didn't have the balls to show up for lunch?

You're the one who backed out when I insisted on knowing the
first and last name of the person who wanted to meet me.

Meeting someone "by appointment" whose name I don't know is NOT
some

thing I would do under any circumstances. I wasn't into computer
dating when it was "the" thing to do, and I'm not into it now.

Frankly, your reluctance makes me wonder whether you are a peculiar sort
of sexual predator who has the hots for older, balding men.

More likely, though, it is just another manifestation of your cowardice.

And we already know you are a coward.

Harry, does someone have to be especially courageous to meet you for lunch? Do you bring all your
guns?

Do you ever have lunch with females, or must all your lunch dates have 'the balls to show up'?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it Krause?
 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:36:32 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:59:17 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:03:34 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
JohnH,

There are 12 step groups for just about everything. I looked in Google for
a 12 step group for NPD and found there are support groups for the victims
of NPD, but those with the illness rarely seek help. One of the problems
mentioned is those with NPD would always try to take advantage the other
members of the group.
More amateur hour? If you fell seriously ill with multiple symptoms and
had no idea what was causing them, would you seek professional help or
would you start playing guessing games with the data on internet sites?

Sometimes a 12-step program will provide the support an addict needs,
but that addict also will need therapy and other assistance. 12-stepping
is no substitute for therapy.
You've much to learn 12-step programs.

The question was whether or not a 12-step program helped disorders *other* than addictions. Although
not specifically addressed, the question of NPD was answered by Reggie. Do you have other
information?
--
John Herring
I would agree that 12-step programs help *some* sufferers of various
addictions with support. The "addiction" 12-step programs are support
groups.

That's better.
--


Better? It's no different than my original position. All the 12-step
programs offer is support. It takes a lot more than "support" for most
addicts to kick their habits.

Are you a graduate of a 12-step support group?

You earlier stated an addict 'will need therapy and other assistance' in addition to a 12-step
program. That was not a true statement.

Are you seeking more personal information for your data base?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout a 12-step for Smithers?
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
I thought AA has been effective helping alcoholics, and that goes back to
before there were "rehab clinics".


What part of "support group" do you not understand?
AA is a support group. That is all it is.

And its effectiveness is the best.

"Rehab" clinics do more than provide support, but they also provide
support, sometimes in conjunction with AA, sometimes not.

AA alone has been proven to be more effective than any other method for
getting and keeping alcoholics sober. The sad thing is that it only works
23% of the time, if that much.

There also are other ways of treating addition.

Addiction is the hardest thing to treat without the addicted person wanting
to be treated.

There's more than one cover for the pot.

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

JohnH,
You and I are trying our best, but some people just don't seem to be
interested in making rec.boats a kinder, gentler newsgroup.

Maybe Wayne should talk to Harry and see if Harry might tone it down a tad.


"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:38:41 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:07:28 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The
WordSmith wrote:



I believe Harry has a data base going in which he stores every bit of
personal information he can
glean from his readings on the group.
--

You might want to consider joining a 12-step program for psychotics.
You're out of touch with reality.

Was that supposed to be a denial?

What do you think of Wayne's idea? Pretty good, huh? We could all try to
keep the name-calling,
snarkiness, etc. out of the group.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:17:31 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:54:53 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Ok. Is that you story and you are sticking to it?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
JohnH,

I was curious about Harry's real life persona. I have an image in my
head and I was wondering if it was accurate, but it still is not a big
deal.

My guess is Harry wanted to know my name, and once he had that info he
would not have meet for lunch. In the past, he has always found an
excuse not to meet up with someone.

Oh, I would have been there, but there is no chance you would have.
I have no interest in the details of your sorry life beyond your name.
Everything else I care to know about you I already know, from your
behavior here.

The lunch would have given me the opportunity to see if you are as big a
horse's ass in person as you are in this newsgroup, that's all.

But you didn't even have the balls to meet for lunch.



--
Named al Qaeda Recruiter of the Year: George W. Bush


What, that you didn't have the balls to show up for lunch?

You're the one who backed out when I insisted on knowing the
first and last name of the person who wanted to meet me.

Meeting someone "by appointment" whose name I don't know is NOT
some

thing I would do under any circumstances. I wasn't into computer
dating when it was "the" thing to do, and I'm not into it now.

Frankly, your reluctance makes me wonder whether you are a peculiar sort
of sexual predator who has the hots for older, balding men.

More likely, though, it is just another manifestation of your cowardice.

And we already know you are a coward.

Harry, does someone have to be especially courageous to meet you for lunch? Do you bring all your
guns?

Do you ever have lunch with females, or must all your lunch dates have 'the balls to show up'?
--
John Herring

All the people I meet for lunch have first and last names known to me.
Sometimes my lunch date will bring a new person along. If that happens,
proper introductions are made. We won't wear Army plastic name plates.

Do you check ID's?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

JohnH,
I still can't figure out why Harry thinks it takes guts to meet him for
lunch. That one just went right over my head. I don't pretend to be a
"horse" or a tough guy, but I can't think of many times I ever felt I was in
danger of being physically hurt, and I don't carry or own a gun. I think
it is both your mental outlook and your physical strength that determine if
someone is going to harass you. I don't believe Harry would threaten me
physically.


"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:54:53 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Ok. Is that you story and you are sticking to it?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
JohnH,

I was curious about Harry's real life persona. I have an image in my
head and I was wondering if it was accurate, but it still is not a big
deal.

My guess is Harry wanted to know my name, and once he had that info he
would not have meet for lunch. In the past, he has always found an
excuse not to meet up with someone.

Oh, I would have been there, but there is no chance you would have.
I have no interest in the details of your sorry life beyond your name.
Everything else I care to know about you I already know, from your
behavior here.

The lunch would have given me the opportunity to see if you are as big
a
horse's ass in person as you are in this newsgroup, that's all.

But you didn't even have the balls to meet for lunch.



--
Named al Qaeda Recruiter of the Year: George W. Bush




What, that you didn't have the balls to show up for lunch?

You're the one who backed out when I insisted on knowing the
first and last name of the person who wanted to meet me.

Meeting someone "by appointment" whose name I don't know is NOT
some

thing I would do under any circumstances. I wasn't into computer
dating when it was "the" thing to do, and I'm not into it now.

Frankly, your reluctance makes me wonder whether you are a peculiar sort
of sexual predator who has the hots for older, balding men.

More likely, though, it is just another manifestation of your cowardice.

And we already know you are a coward.

Harry, does someone have to be especially courageous to meet you for
lunch? Do you bring all your
guns?

Do you ever have lunch with females, or must all your lunch dates have
'the balls to show up'?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

"narcissists can't see that they have a problem; it's always somebody else
who
has the problem and needs to change"

"narcissists hate their real selves, they don't want to change -- they
want the world to change. And they criticize, gripe, and complain about
almost everything and almost everyone almost all the time. There are usually
a favored few whom narcissists regard as absolutely above reproach, even for
egregious misconduct or actual crime, and about whom they won't brook the
slightest criticism. These are people the narcissists are terrified of,
though they'll tell you that what they feel is love and respect; apparently
they don't know the difference between fear and love. Narcissists just get
worse and worse as they grow older; their parents and other authority
figures that they've feared die off, and there's less and less outside
influence to keep them in check"

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:38:41 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:07:28 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The
WordSmith wrote:



I believe Harry has a data base going in which he stores every bit of
personal information he can
glean from his readings on the group.
--

You might want to consider joining a 12-step program for psychotics.
You're out of touch with reality.

Was that supposed to be a denial?

What do you think of Wayne's idea? Pretty good, huh? We could all try to
keep the name-calling,
snarkiness, etc. out of the group.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:15:58 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:34:06 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:00:33 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:14:08 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:55:43 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote:

JohnH,

There are 12 step groups for just about everything. I looked in Google for
a 12 step group for NPD and found there are support groups for the victims
of NPD, but those with the illness rarely seek help. One of the problems
mentioned is those with NPD would always try to take advantage the other
members of the group.

I did find many links that warned people to be concerned if someone with NPD
makes a threat. It appears that NPD can be very dangerous if they feel
threatened.

When I first started using the Internet, my ISP warned about Security and
Privacy issues. I started using an anonymous ID for Internet Security and
financial info security, not personal security, after reading about NPD I
am glad I have always followed the advice of the experts. Hell would freeze
over before I would give any personal info to someone with NPD.


Other than the occasional 'Kevin' post, I don't think I've ever seen such a hissy-fit thrown in a
news group. What is even more surprising is the lack of support Harry received from his followers.
Apparently his followers saw through your ploy about the same time Harry took the bait.

I expect he'll be 'cowed-down' for a while.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!
Header changed to reflect a bit of right-wing pig piling.

Oh, I don't need nor do I look for "support" in newsgroups, as you
fellows seem to. I did get a couple of emails that giggled along with me.

I did notice that once I insisted on knowing Smithers' real name before
I met him for lunch, he quieted right down. The only conclusion can be
that he really is a coward, or he has something to hide.
Harry, you know my name, or at least most of it, and *I* wouldn't meet you for lunch. I'm neither a
coward nor one with something to hide from you.
That's because you are an ill-mannered horse's ass. Not my problem.
...as opposed to a well-mannered horse's ass?

Didn't we add name-calling to the 'bad behavior' list?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!

Your tone constitutes another form of name-calling. As you as you act
like a horse's ass here, you'll be one.

Now you're complaining about my singing?

Not sure how to translate the second sentence.

What do you think of Wayne's idea to have a New Year's resolution to behave better?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!

I'm always in favor of good manners and fewer snarky, smarmy, unctuous
posters here.

OK. We've got snarkiness, smarminess, unctuousness, piling-on, name-calling, and what else?

Should we add lying? You had a couple others, but I lost the message. Could you refresh my memory?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it Krause?
 

JohnH,
I thought that is what Harry said, but I was too lazy to go back and read
the original post. Sometimes the thread becomes too boring to bother, but
you are absolutely correct, many people are able to treat their addictions
without therapy and other assistance. Some of these people use a 12 Step
Program, some don't.

Many people find Christianity as a source of strength to help them over
their addictions. I am sure that offended some of the Non Christians in the
group.




"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:36:32 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:59:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:03:34 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
JohnH,

There are 12 step groups for just about everything. I looked in
Google for
a 12 step group for NPD and found there are support groups for the
victims
of NPD, but those with the illness rarely seek help. One of the
problems
mentioned is those with NPD would always try to take advantage the
other
members of the group.
More amateur hour? If you fell seriously ill with multiple symptoms
and
had no idea what was causing them, would you seek professional help
or
would you start playing guessing games with the data on internet
sites?

Sometimes a 12-step program will provide the support an addict needs,
but that addict also will need therapy and other assistance.
12-stepping
is no substitute for therapy.
You've much to learn 12-step programs.

The question was whether or not a 12-step program helped disorders
*other* than addictions. Although
not specifically addressed, the question of NPD was answered by
Reggie. Do you have other
information?
--
John Herring
I would agree that 12-step programs help *some* sufferers of various
addictions with support. The "addiction" 12-step programs are support
groups.

That's better.
--


Better? It's no different than my original position. All the 12-step
programs offer is support. It takes a lot more than "support" for most
addicts to kick their habits.

Are you a graduate of a 12-step support group?

You earlier stated an addict 'will need therapy and other assistance' in
addition to a 12-step
program. That was not a true statement.

Are you seeking more personal information for your data base?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout a 12-step for Smithers?
 

When Harry said "There's more than one cover for the pot", I couldn't figure
out what in the world he was saying. I couldn't imagine anyone taking my
comment to mean that I felt their was only "cover for the pot". I was
disagreeing with the comment that " It takes a lot more than "support" for
most addicts to kick their habits." I had always heard that AA has the
best track record for alcoholics and their track records goes way back.

I actually felt like I was debating with Kevin.


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
I thought AA has been effective helping alcoholics, and that goes back
to before there were "rehab clinics".


What part of "support group" do you not understand?
AA is a support group. That is all it is.

And its effectiveness is the best.

"Rehab" clinics do more than provide support, but they also provide
support, sometimes in conjunction with AA, sometimes not.

AA alone has been proven to be more effective than any other method for
getting and keeping alcoholics sober. The sad thing is that it only works
23% of the time, if that much.

There also are other ways of treating addition.

Addiction is the hardest thing to treat without the addicted person
wanting to be treated.

There's more than one cover for the pot.

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:27:36 -0500, "Wm Shakespeare Smithers" The WordSmith wrote:

JohnH,
I still can't figure out why Harry thinks it takes guts to meet him for
lunch. That one just went right over my head. I don't pretend to be a
"horse" or a tough guy, but I can't think of many times I ever felt I was in
danger of being physically hurt, and I don't carry or own a gun. I think
it is both your mental outlook and your physical strength that determine if
someone is going to harass you. I don't believe Harry would threaten me
physically.

Maybe he thought you'd be 'mentally' threatened. But the past twenty-four hours has definitely laid
that idea to rest. I have no idea either. From my personal observation, there is nothing about Harry
that one would find 'physically' threatening, unless he was carrying all his guns.

I also can't understand why he won't engage me in a discussion of bad behavior. I think Wayne's New
Year's resolution idea was a pretty good one.

Maybe Chuck will join in a push for good behavior.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it Krause?
 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:39:27 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:36:32 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:59:17 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:03:34 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
JohnH,

There are 12 step groups for just about everything. I looked in Google for
a 12 step group for NPD and found there are support groups for the victims
of NPD, but those with the illness rarely seek help. One of the problems
mentioned is those with NPD would always try to take advantage the other
members of the group.
More amateur hour? If you fell seriously ill with multiple symptoms and
had no idea what was causing them, would you seek professional help or
would you start playing guessing games with the data on internet sites?

Sometimes a 12-step program will provide the support an addict needs,
but that addict also will need therapy and other assistance. 12-stepping
is no substitute for therapy.
You've much to learn 12-step programs.

The question was whether or not a 12-step program helped disorders *other* than addictions. Although
not specifically addressed, the question of NPD was answered by Reggie. Do you have other
information?
--
John Herring
I would agree that 12-step programs help *some* sufferers of various
addictions with support. The "addiction" 12-step programs are support
groups.
That's better.
--

Better? It's no different than my original position. All the 12-step
programs offer is support. It takes a lot more than "support" for most
addicts to kick their habits.

Are you a graduate of a 12-step support group?

You earlier stated an addict 'will need therapy and other assistance' in addition to a 12-step
program. That was not a true statement.

Are you seeking more personal information for your data base?
--
John Herring


D'oh. Most addicts need more than 12-step support groups to kick their
habits.

That's better.

What database is that, John? I think I posted here a couple of years ago
that you reminded me of an alcoholic "in recovery." That's not in any
database. I just remember posting it.

When you made that claim, did I call you a lot of foul names, threaten to wring your scrawny neck,
and ask you for proof of your wild allegations?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout a 12-step for Smithers?
 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:40:38 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
I thought AA has been effective helping alcoholics, and that goes back to
before there were "rehab clinics".

What part of "support group" do you not understand?
AA is a support group. That is all it is.

And its effectiveness is the best.


Effectiveness as what? A support group? Maybe.




I believe he meant effective in keeping the addict 'clean'.
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:44:29 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

P Fritz wrote:
"narcissists can't see

Idiot boy Fritz refilled his tank


Harry, have you ever thoughtfully read the NPD symptoms Fritz posts?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
....and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it Krause?
 

Harry,

I have no idea if JohnH had an alcohol problem or not, but anyone who is
successful in kicking a habit is much stronger than the average person. A
normal person would congratulate someone who was in "recovery", you seem to
think it a hot button you can push when it is appropriate.

I know when I was younger, I and many people I knew, drank more than we
should. It was very common for meetings to include an overstocked
"hospitality suite". I never considered myself an addict, but I know I
feel better since I stopped drinking. Today when I am setting up a
"hospitality suite" it includes finger food ( veggie tray, sushi, wings,etc.
soft drinks, beer and wine. If someone asks for a brand of type of
liquor, I will have it sent up, but that is the exception, it seems everyone
has cut way back on their liquor consumption.

If you wife read how you belittle those you think are in "recovery" she
would be ashamed.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:36:32 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:59:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:03:34 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
JohnH,

There are 12 step groups for just about everything. I looked in
Google for a 12 step group for NPD and found there are support
groups for the victims of NPD, but those with the illness rarely
seek help. One of the problems mentioned is those with NPD would
always try to take advantage the other members of the group.
More amateur hour? If you fell seriously ill with multiple symptoms
and had no idea what was causing them, would you seek professional
help or would you start playing guessing games with the data on
internet sites?

Sometimes a 12-step program will provide the support an addict
needs, but that addict also will need therapy and other assistance.
12-stepping is no substitute for therapy.
You've much to learn 12-step programs.

The question was whether or not a 12-step program helped disorders
*other* than addictions. Although
not specifically addressed, the question of NPD was answered by
Reggie. Do you have other
information?
--
John Herring
I would agree that 12-step programs help *some* sufferers of various
addictions with support. The "addiction" 12-step programs are support
groups.
That's better.
--

Better? It's no different than my original position. All the 12-step
programs offer is support. It takes a lot more than "support" for most
addicts to kick their habits.

Are you a graduate of a 12-step support group?

You earlier stated an addict 'will need therapy and other assistance' in
addition to a 12-step
program. That was not a true statement.

Are you seeking more personal information for your data base?
--
John Herring


D'oh. Most addicts need more than 12-step support groups to kick their
habits.

What database is that, John? I think I posted here a couple of years ago
that you reminded me of an alcoholic "in recovery." That's not in any
database. I just remember posting it.




--
Named al Qaeda Recruiter of the Year: George W. Bush

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

"narcissists can't see that they have a problem; it's always somebody else
who
has the problem and needs to change"

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:44:29 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

P Fritz wrote:
"narcissists can't see

Idiot boy Fritz refilled his tank


Harry, have you ever thoughtfully read the NPD symptoms Fritz posts?
--
John Herring

Hope your Christmas is Spectacular!
...and your New Year even Better!

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

Harry,
Have you read any of the books concerning NPD?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:44:29 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

P Fritz wrote:
"narcissists can't see
Idiot boy Fritz refilled his tank

Harry, have you ever thoughtfully read the NPD symptoms Fritz posts?
--

John, we have a home library here with at least 1000 professional books on
all sorts of emotional and mental problems. Why would I bother to
"thoughtfully" read *anything* Fritz posts?


--
Named al Qaeda Recruiter of the Year: George W. Bush

How 'bout it Krause?
 

Harry,
When I saw John's picture from his cruise vacation, he looked very healthy.
I would assume he eat correctly and gets regular exercise. You may want to
ask him about his diet and exercise program.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Harry,

I have no idea if JohnH had an alcohol problem or not, but anyone who is
successful in kicking a habit is much stronger than the average person.

I'm not going down this road with you. If John is indeed "in recovery,"
then that speaks well of his ability to get ahold of and control something
that would have destroyed him. As I said, I was only guessing he was in
recovery.

--
Named al Qaeda Recruiter of the Year: George W. Bush

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Harry,
Have you read any of the books concerning NPD?


If your behavior bothers you and you feel the need for help, I suggest you
find a professional provider in your home town, and not take seriously any
perseverations emanating from Fritz, Herring, or Hertv.




Your list changes hourly Harry. I have been off it all day. In fact just
hours ago you were praising me.

Mood swings? NPD?

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

"no matter how gently you suggest that they might do better to change
their ways or get some help, they will react in one of two equally horrible
ways: they will attack or they will withdraw."

"They can't see that they have a problem; it's always somebody else who
has the problem and needs to change"

"narcissists will say ANYTHING, they will trash anyone in their own
self-justification, and then they will expect the immediate restoration of
the status quo. They will attack you (sometimes physically) and spew a load
of bile, insult, abuse, contempt, threats, etc."

" JimH" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Harry,
Have you read any of the books concerning NPD?


If your behavior bothers you and you feel the need for help, I suggest
you
find a professional provider in your home town, and not take seriously
any
perseverations emanating from Fritz, Herring, or Hertv.




Your list changes hourly Harry. I have been off it all day. In fact just
hours ago you were praising me.

Mood swings? NPD?

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Harry,
Have you read any of the books concerning NPD?

If your behavior bothers you and you feel the need for help, I suggest
you find a professional provider in your home town, and not take
seriously any perseverations emanating from Fritz, Herring, or Hertv.




Your list changes hourly Harry. I have been off it all day. In fact
just hours ago you were praising me.

Mood swings? NPD?

I don't think you are the "worst" of the righties here. I never have.

I noticed you were engaged in the same old crap with one of your
adversaries here.


Same crap?

I assume you are talking about Kevin. He is not my adversary Harry. At
times he can post some useful information. But he mainly appears to be an
angry young man who comes here to dump on others. My hope is that he will
quit posting the profanities and constant insults and become a constructive
member of this NG. (Note below that he did so on 12-13).

Here is an example of selections from Kevins posts from the last few days:
----------------------------------------------
12-15-05

you are such a low life piece of scum.



you idiot.



you are such a nasty little ****



By the way, are ALL of your kids prostituting? Are you still pimping?



Asshole



you ****ing low life piece of ****.



you little low life pussy.



I'd LOVE to spit right in your **** stained face



What a nasty little pussy you are.



What a piece of **** you are!







12-14-05

Just to show what an ignorant twit you are..



....you lying piece of ****.



So, how'd your wife get so greedy that she made you sell your boat, asshole?



But, seeing how you are just dumb, and can't comprehend, let's recap.



You nasty little cocksucker.



YOU have proven yourself to be the lowest piece of **** here



You are such a low life ****ing loser



you low life scum.



you worthless little twit.



you asshole.



you low life *******



**** you.



dip****.



You are just scum. Just a nasty little gnat like piece of ****.







12-13-05

(Kevin behaved himself today)





12-12-05

Grow up, you ****ing baby.



.... idiot.



Too poor of a ****bag to live up to your word?



... dip****.



idiot.





12-9-05

Idiot.



You must be dumber than a post.



None of your ****ing business, how's that?



You idiot,



Uh, perhaps because *I* didn't make the statement, dumb ass.



If you are dumb enough to ask a question like that, an answer would
escape your grasp.



you dip****!!!!



You actually have the audacity to criticize others here, when you in fact,
are the
lowest piece of **** here.



I've known some nasty little assholes in my day, but you take the cake.



Okay, you notice I specifically asked Bill, but alas, everyone here
knows about your inability to comprehend anything.





12-8-05

Are you SO ****ing dumb that you can't figure out one simple, little
thing?



I'm not Kevin, you low life liar.



I'm not Kevin, you dolt.



Crap, I knew you wouldn't be bright enough to figure it out!



Unless, of course you are just posting in ignorance, as usual.



You aren't very bright are you?



What an ignorant low life piece fo crap you are. You've been proven as
such right here in this thread.



I'm not Kevin, but you are dumb as a post:



Grow up, you brainless little **** stain.



BUT, you are so stupid, you don't understand that by REPLYING TO ME, you
are, indeed, doing those things TO ME.


-----------------------------------------------

Do you condone this type of behavior here Harry?

How 'bout it pig pilers
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wm Shakespeare Smithers wrote:
Harry,
Have you read any of the books concerning NPD?
If your behavior bothers you and you feel the need for help, I suggest
you find a professional provider in your home town, and not take
seriously any perseverations emanating from Fritz, Herring, or Hertv.



Your list changes hourly Harry. I have been off it all day. In fact
just hours ago you were praising me.

Mood swings? NPD?
I don't think you are the "worst" of the righties here. I never have.

I noticed you were engaged in the same old crap with one of your
adversaries here.


Same crap?

I assume you are talking about Kevin. He is not my adversary Harry. At
times he can post some useful information. But he mainly appears to be
an angry young man who comes here to dump on others. My hope is that
he will quit posting the profanities and constant insults and become a
constructive member of this NG. (Note below that he did so on 12-13).

Here is an example of selections from Kevins posts from the last few
days:
----------------------------------------------


These selections may interest you, but they don't interest me.

You snipped them so I assume they offend you as they do me and, I would
guess, most every member here.

Here they are again Harry. Do you condone this sort of language and
behavior here?

12-15-05

you are such a low life piece of scum.



you idiot.



you are such a nasty little ****



By the way, are ALL of your kids prostituting? Are you still pimping?



Asshole



you ****ing low life piece of ****.



you little low life pussy.



I'd LOVE to spit right in your **** stained face



What a nasty little pussy you are.



What a piece of **** you are!







12-14-05

Just to show what an ignorant twit you are..



....you lying piece of ****.



So, how'd your wife get so greedy that she made you sell your boat, asshole?



But, seeing how you are just dumb, and can't comprehend, let's recap.



You nasty little cocksucker.



YOU have proven yourself to be the lowest piece of **** here



You are such a low life ****ing loser



you low life scum.



you worthless little twit.



you asshole.



you low life *******



**** you.



dip****.



You are just scum. Just a nasty little gnat like piece of ****.







12-13-05

(Kevin behaved himself today)





12-12-05

Grow up, you ****ing baby.



.... idiot.



Too poor of a ****bag to live up to your word?



... dip****.



idiot.







12-9-05

Idiot.



You must be dumber than a post.



None of your ****ing business, how's that?



You idiot,



Uh, perhaps because *I* didn't make the statement, dumb ass.



If you are dumb enough to ask a question like that, an answer would
escape your grasp.



you dip****!!!!



You actually have the audacity to criticize others here, when you in fact,
are the
lowest piece of **** here.



I've known some nasty little assholes in my day, but you take the cake.



Okay, you notice I specifically asked Bill, but alas, everyone here
knows about your inability to comprehend anything.





12-8-05

Are you SO ****ing dumb that you can't figure out one simple, little
thing?



I'm not Kevin, you low life liar.



I'm not Kevin, you dolt.



Crap, I knew you wouldn't be bright enough to figure it out!



Unless, of course you are just posting in ignorance, as usual.



You aren't very bright are you?



What an ignorant low life piece fo crap you are. You've been proven as
such right here in this thread.



I'm not Kevin, but you are dumb as a post:



Grow up, you brainless little **** stain.



BUT, you are so stupid, you don't understand that by REPLYING TO ME, you
are, indeed, doing those things TO ME.