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"Dan Krueger" wrote in message nk.net... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:20:51 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Dan Krueger wrote: I'd take a Glock 34 any day over that wheelgun. Fully legal mag on the Glock holds 17 rounds, standard barrel is 5" long, and if you need them, lasergrips are available. Oh, and my guess is the semi-auto mechanism is inherently more accurate than the wheelgun's. You have a single or double action wheelgun? If double, you keep a chamber empty for safety's sake? If so, that means the G34 mag holds more than three times the number of rounds. How is that 17 round magazine legal? Pre-ban? Nope. Perfectly legal in Maryland. I'm not sure how you can say the semi-auto is "inherently" more accurate than a revolver. A barrel is a barrel. The same bullets pass through them. How they get to the barrel matters. True. However, I much prefer revolvers because they are simpler, easier to reload (quicker actually) and easier to handle. Their major disadvantage is number of rounds, but accuracy more than makes up for it. I own more than a few guns and I use them for sport. I do keep one or two around for self defense but that's another thread. I have revolvers and semi-auto's. How do you figure that the revolvers are more accurate? Trigger pull is similar as are the lengths of the barrels. What am I missing? It's the Indian not the Arrow. |
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"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ... Bill, Do they still make single action. I thought the invention of the double action saw the end of the single action. Yes. They're still very popular, mostly with people who are involved with cowboy shooting tournaments. Hunters, too. Ruger has models that are (mechanically) capable of handling ammo that's enormously powerful compared to what you'd normally use for defense. Here's an example: http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firear...l=804&return=Y |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... I'll email you the name of my FFL fella. Why? In case you find me on your holiday gift list for that Freedom Arms .454 Casull. Wait until I find out the damage after ordering drapes for the living room this afternoon, and buying my son's Christmas gift - a rather pricey guitar effects thing. Nice to see he's growing up right, as a living of example of "The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys". |
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:48:36 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 02:43:53 GMT, Dan Krueger wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:20:51 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Dan Krueger wrote: I'd take a Glock 34 any day over that wheelgun. Fully legal mag on the Glock holds 17 rounds, standard barrel is 5" long, and if you need them, lasergrips are available. Oh, and my guess is the semi-auto mechanism is inherently more accurate than the wheelgun's. You have a single or double action wheelgun? If double, you keep a chamber empty for safety's sake? If so, that means the G34 mag holds more than three times the number of rounds. How is that 17 round magazine legal? Pre-ban? Nope. Perfectly legal in Maryland. I'm not sure how you can say the semi-auto is "inherently" more accurate than a revolver. A barrel is a barrel. The same bullets pass through them. How they get to the barrel matters. True. However, I much prefer revolvers because they are simpler, easier to reload (quicker actually) and easier to handle. Their major disadvantage is number of rounds, but accuracy more than makes up for it. I own more than a few guns and I use them for sport. I do keep one or two around for self defense but that's another thread. I have revolvers and semi-auto's. How do you figure that the revolvers are more accurate? Trigger pull is similar as are the lengths of the barrels. What am I missing? Call it an old man's preference. Bill pretty much explained it, revolvers have a fixed barrel where the old semi-autos didn't. Back in the day, I couldn't hit the side of a barn with the venerable .45 Navy 1911. In fact, I had a hard time qualifying with it. With a revolver, I had no problem. I know other guys who had the same problem. I've found that most folks who don't shoot on a regular basis can focus better on the end of an open barrel than along a rail like a semi-auto has. Another issue in accuracy is the tendency for people with high capacity mags tend to spray rather than aim - a revolver forces you to aim - you just can't spray bullets all over the place. As to reload, 8 out of 10 times, I can reload my .357 mag and .44 mag faster than the top state cop who just happens to belong to my rod and gun club. I won't even begin to tell you that I can shoot more rounds than he can, but under pressure, I'm more accurate. Later, Tom If the .45 you qualified with was similar to the one I used, the barrel probably wobbled a quarter inch every time you shot. -- John H MERRY CHRISTMAS! Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day. |
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 06:24:52 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:20:51 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Dan Krueger wrote: I'd take a Glock 34 any day over that wheelgun. Fully legal mag on the Glock holds 17 rounds, standard barrel is 5" long, and if you need them, lasergrips are available. Oh, and my guess is the semi-auto mechanism is inherently more accurate than the wheelgun's. You have a single or double action wheelgun? If double, you keep a chamber empty for safety's sake? If so, that means the G34 mag holds more than three times the number of rounds. How is that 17 round magazine legal? Pre-ban? Nope. Perfectly legal in Maryland. I'm not sure how you can say the semi-auto is "inherently" more accurate than a revolver. A barrel is a barrel. The same bullets pass through them. How they get to the barrel matters. True. However, I much prefer revolvers because they are simpler, easier to reload (quicker actually) and easier to handle. Their major disadvantage is number of rounds, but accuracy more than makes up for it. Accuracy is key with any gun, but... A wheel gun isn't necessarily simpler than a modern semi-auto. When you take the grip off a wheel gun, you see all sorts of pieces and parts to operate the trigger and hammer, usually. And I would contend that a semi is easier and faster to reload. With my thumb, I can push a button, drop out an empty mag, and then slam in a full mag and rack the slide faster than you can get six rounds into the average wheel gun. "Easier to handle" is a perception thing, I think. Who loaded the mag? -- John H MERRY CHRISTMAS! Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day. |
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:49:16 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 02:29:38 GMT, Dan Krueger wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Dan Krueger wrote: I'd take a Glock 34 any day over that wheelgun. Fully legal mag on the Glock holds 17 rounds, standard barrel is 5" long, and if you need them, lasergrips are available. Oh, and my guess is the semi-auto mechanism is inherently more accurate than the wheelgun's. You have a single or double action wheelgun? If double, you keep a chamber empty for safety's sake? If so, that means the G34 mag holds more than three times the number of rounds. How is that 17 round magazine legal? Pre-ban? Nope. Perfectly legal in Maryland. I'm not sure how you can say the semi-auto is "inherently" more accurate than a revolver. A barrel is a barrel. The same bullets pass through them. Dan Dan How they get to the barrel matters. How does that affect the accuracy? They still all pass though a barrel. I know how that can affect the reliability, but that tend to favor the revolver. Revolvers rule!! Semi-auto's drool!! :) Amen. I've not seen anything here that would cause me to trade in my S&W Mod. 28 for a semi-auto anything. -- John H MERRY CHRISTMAS! Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day. |
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Harry,
You hit the wrong macro, you didn't mention anything that brought about your conversion from an anti-gun crusader to a gun totting, tobacco chewing, toothless good ole'boy with suffers from tiny penis syndrome. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Lord Reginald Smithers wrote: Harry, This is a great thread. Trouble with reading comprehension? Smithers Macro #3 Sometimes when I'm walking down our rural road to get my mail, I'll see a mound of fresh animal crap in my path. I step over or around the crap, but I don't step in it and I never stop to talk to it. I see no reason to behave differently in rec.boats. Smithers is crap; I step over him or around him, but I don't stop to talk to him. No reason at all to step in a pile of Smitherscrap. -- Military Intelligence: Another Faith-based Initiative |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor. wrote... Bill, Do they still make single action. I thought the invention of the double action saw the end of the single action. Yes. They're still very popular, mostly with people who are involved with cowboy shooting tournaments. Hunters, too. Ruger has models that are (mechanically) capable of handling ammo that's enormously powerful compared to what you'd normally use for defense. Here's an example: http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firear...l=804&return=Y The .45 caliber Ruger Old Army in SS is still my favorite handgun to shoot. -- Skipper |
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This is getting too easy ;-)
"The narcissist expects that you will be devastated by the withdrawal of her/his divine attention, so that after a while -- a few weeks or months (i.e., the next time the narcissist needs to use you for something) -- the narcissist will expect you to have learned your lesson and be eager to return to the fold. If you have learned your lesson" "Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor. wrote in message ... Harry, You hit the wrong macro, you didn't mention anything that brought about your conversion from an anti-gun crusader to a gun totting, tobacco chewing, toothless good ole'boy with suffers from tiny penis syndrome. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Lord Reginald Smithers wrote: Harry, This is a great thread. Trouble with reading comprehension? Smithers Macro #3 Sometimes when I'm walking down our rural road to get my mail, I'll see a mound of fresh animal crap in my path. I step over or around the crap, but I don't step in it and I never stop to talk to it. I see no reason to behave differently in rec.boats. Smithers is crap; I step over him or around him, but I don't stop to talk to him. No reason at all to step in a pile of Smitherscrap. -- Military Intelligence: Another Faith-based Initiative |
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286. John H.
Dec 10, 8:00 am show options Newsgroups: rec.boats From: John H. - Find messages by this author Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:00:15 -0500 Local: Sat, Dec 10 2005 8:00 am Subject: Better *Defensive* Handgun Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:48:36 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 02:43:53 GMT, Dan Krueger wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:20:51 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Dan Krueger wrote: I'd take a Glock 34 any day over that wheelgun. Fully legal mag on the Glock holds 17 rounds, standard barrel is 5" long, and if you need them, lasergrips are available. Oh, and my guess is the semi-auto mechanism is inherently more accurate than the wheelgun's. You have a single or double action wheelgun? If double, you keep a chamber empty for safety's sake? If so, that means the G34 mag holds more than three times the number of rounds. How is that 17 round magazine legal? Pre-ban? Nope. Perfectly legal in Maryland. I'm not sure how you can say the semi-auto is "inherently" more accurate than a revolver. A barrel is a barrel. The same bullets pass through them. How they get to the barrel matters. True. However, I much prefer revolvers because they are simpler, easier to reload (quicker actually) and easier to handle. Their major disadvantage is number of rounds, but accuracy more than makes up for it. I own more than a few guns and I use them for sport. I do keep one or two around for self defense but that's another thread. I have revolvers and semi-auto's. How do you figure that the revolvers are more accurate? Trigger pull is similar as are the lengths of the barrels. What am I missing? Call it an old man's preference. Bill pretty much explained it, revolvers have a fixed barrel where the old semi-autos didn't. Back in the day, I couldn't hit the side of a barn with the venerable .45 Navy 1911. In fact, I had a hard time qualifying with it. With a revolver, I had no problem. I know other guys who had the same problem. I've found that most folks who don't shoot on a regular basis can focus better on the end of an open barrel than along a rail like a semi-auto has. Another issue in accuracy is the tendency for people with high capacity mags tend to spray rather than aim - a revolver forces you to aim - you just can't spray bullets all over the place. As to reload, 8 out of 10 times, I can reload my .357 mag and .44 mag faster than the top state cop who just happens to belong to my rod and gun club. I won't even begin to tell you that I can shoot more rounds than he can, but under pressure, I'm more accurate. Later, Tom If the .45 you qualified with was similar to the one I used, the barrel probably wobbled a quarter inch every time you shot. You mean, they're THAT tight??? Actually they are tight (sort of) before the slide releases |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 02:29:38 GMT, Dan Krueger wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Dan Krueger wrote: I'd take a Glock 34 any day over that wheelgun. Fully legal mag on the Glock holds 17 rounds, standard barrel is 5" long, and if you need them, lasergrips are available. Oh, and my guess is the semi-auto mechanism is inherently more accurate than the wheelgun's. You have a single or double action wheelgun? If double, you keep a chamber empty for safety's sake? If so, that means the G34 mag holds more than three times the number of rounds. How is that 17 round magazine legal? Pre-ban? Nope. Perfectly legal in Maryland. I'm not sure how you can say the semi-auto is "inherently" more accurate than a revolver. A barrel is a barrel. The same bullets pass through them. Dan Dan How they get to the barrel matters. How does that affect the accuracy? They still all pass though a barrel. I know how that can affect the reliability, but that tend to favor the revolver. Revolvers rule!! Semi-auto's drool!! :) Only for accuracy. As a weapons officer of the one of Bay area PD's told me a long time ago when I use to duck hunt. The average police gun fight has 9 rounds expended and no one is hit. Hard to aim when diving for cover. Also, he said the other problem he had with new officers, was the belief that a shotgun could clear the room. The did not understand that the shot pattern was less than a 10" diameter circle across an average room. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:20:51 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Dan Krueger wrote: I'd take a Glock 34 any day over that wheelgun. Fully legal mag on the Glock holds 17 rounds, standard barrel is 5" long, and if you need them, lasergrips are available. Oh, and my guess is the semi-auto mechanism is inherently more accurate than the wheelgun's. You have a single or double action wheelgun? If double, you keep a chamber empty for safety's sake? If so, that means the G34 mag holds more than three times the number of rounds. How is that 17 round magazine legal? Pre-ban? Nope. Perfectly legal in Maryland. I'm not sure how you can say the semi-auto is "inherently" more accurate than a revolver. A barrel is a barrel. The same bullets pass through them. How they get to the barrel matters. True. However, I much prefer revolvers because they are simpler, easier to reload (quicker actually) and easier to handle. Their major disadvantage is number of rounds, but accuracy more than makes up for it. Accuracy is key with any gun, but... A wheel gun isn't necessarily simpler than a modern semi-auto. When you take the grip off a wheel gun, you see all sorts of pieces and parts to operate the trigger and hammer, usually. And I would contend that a semi is easier and faster to reload. With my thumb, I can push a button, drop out an empty mag, and then slam in a full mag and rack the slide faster than you can get six rounds into the average wheel gun. "Easier to handle" is a perception thing, I think. -- GOP Credo: Just pretend it's all ok. That is if you have a spare magazine. And with a wheel gun, a "speed loader" puts all 6 rounds in at one time. |
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Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
snip... As stated I had problems with the 1911 so I wanted to qualify with my .357 or .44. Range Officer and Armorer were not in the mood and insisted that I use standard military issue. I didn't argue because I knew something they didn't. I barely qualified after six attempts. About a week later they were notified that they were up for the class - MY class. :) All of a sudden - "Hey Sarge, I've given that some thought - want to retry with the revolver?" Nah - I qualified - that's good enough. Heh, heh, heh... :) Didn't make them eat bugs...did you? |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: snip... As stated I had problems with the 1911 so I wanted to qualify with my .357 or .44. Range Officer and Armorer were not in the mood and insisted that I use standard military issue. I didn't argue because I knew something they didn't. I barely qualified after six attempts. About a week later they were notified that they were up for the class - MY class. :) All of a sudden - "Hey Sarge, I've given that some thought - want to retry with the revolver?" Nah - I qualified - that's good enough. Heh, heh, heh... :) Didn't make them eat bugs...did you? Probably just *buggers*. ;-) |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Skipper wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: Skipper wrote: So, which is the better *defensive* handgun, a S&W .357 mag fitted with laser grips or a Glock auto? .357 mag revolver or a .44 mag revolver. Simple, effective and never break down. "I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin', did he fire six shots or only five? And to tell you the truth, I forgot myself in all this excitement. But bein' this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and it'll blow your head clean off, you could ask yourself a question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?" - Harry Callahan -- Skipper Great line, great delivery, but inaccurate. The .454 Casull, for one. was and is "more powerful." -- Bush deserves a fair trial! The .454 was not built at the time of the movie. I hae watched .454 casull being fired, and decided I did not want to abuse myself that much. |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:39:30 +0000, Bill McKee wrote: And loaded with wad cutters with the hollow bottom. With the bullet upside down. Otherwise you kill some poor neighbor 3 houses away after the bullet has gone through the intruder and a few walls. Anyone familiar with frangible bullets? I'm guessing that's what the Air Marshals were using. http://www.frangiblebullets.com/ Most places outlaw frangibles I think. I think they are in the cop killer catagory, like the Black Talon's etc. |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 23:54:32 -0600, Skipper wrote:
Incorrect, the dot can be seen. ============================ Stop me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the laser sight give up your own position also? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Skipper wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: Skipper wrote: So, which is the better *defensive* handgun, a S&W .357 mag fitted with laser grips or a Glock auto? .357 mag revolver or a .44 mag revolver. Simple, effective and never break down. "I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin', did he fire six shots or only five? And to tell you the truth, I forgot myself in all this excitement. But bein' this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and it'll blow your head clean off, you could ask yourself a question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?" - Harry Callahan -- Skipper Great line, great delivery, but inaccurate. The .454 Casull, for one. was and is "more powerful." Nope. Model 500 Smith and Wesson: http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun...ster_1103A.jpg |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Skipper wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: Skipper wrote: So, which is the better *defensive* handgun, a S&W .357 mag fitted with laser grips or a Glock auto? .357 mag revolver or a .44 mag revolver. Simple, effective and never break down. "I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin', did he fire six shots or only five? And to tell you the truth, I forgot myself in all this excitement. But bein' this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and it'll blow your head clean off, you could ask yourself a question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?" - Harry Callahan -- Skipper Great line, great delivery, but inaccurate. The .454 Casull, for one. was and is "more powerful." Nope. Model 500 Smith and Wesson: http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun...ster_1103A.jpg Nope what? Try reading for content. Sorry. Thought you said "most powerful". Det. Callahan could have made his statement factually correct by saying: "But bein' this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful *production* handgun in the world..." |
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:24:10 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:00:15 -0500, John H. wrote: On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:48:36 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 02:43:53 GMT, Dan Krueger wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:20:51 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Dan Krueger wrote: I'd take a Glock 34 any day over that wheelgun. Fully legal mag on the Glock holds 17 rounds, standard barrel is 5" long, and if you need them, lasergrips are available. Oh, and my guess is the semi-auto mechanism is inherently more accurate than the wheelgun's. You have a single or double action wheelgun? If double, you keep a chamber empty for safety's sake? If so, that means the G34 mag holds more than three times the number of rounds. How is that 17 round magazine legal? Pre-ban? Nope. Perfectly legal in Maryland. I'm not sure how you can say the semi-auto is "inherently" more accurate than a revolver. A barrel is a barrel. The same bullets pass through them. How they get to the barrel matters. True. However, I much prefer revolvers because they are simpler, easier to reload (quicker actually) and easier to handle. Their major disadvantage is number of rounds, but accuracy more than makes up for it. I own more than a few guns and I use them for sport. I do keep one or two around for self defense but that's another thread. I have revolvers and semi-auto's. How do you figure that the revolvers are more accurate? Trigger pull is similar as are the lengths of the barrels. What am I missing? Call it an old man's preference. Bill pretty much explained it, revolvers have a fixed barrel where the old semi-autos didn't. Back in the day, I couldn't hit the side of a barn with the venerable .45 Navy 1911. In fact, I had a hard time qualifying with it. With a revolver, I had no problem. I know other guys who had the same problem. I've found that most folks who don't shoot on a regular basis can focus better on the end of an open barrel than along a rail like a semi-auto has. Another issue in accuracy is the tendency for people with high capacity mags tend to spray rather than aim - a revolver forces you to aim - you just can't spray bullets all over the place. As to reload, 8 out of 10 times, I can reload my .357 mag and .44 mag faster than the top state cop who just happens to belong to my rod and gun club. I won't even begin to tell you that I can shoot more rounds than he can, but under pressure, I'm more accurate. If the .45 you qualified with was similar to the one I used, the barrel probably wobbled a quarter inch every time you shot. I could never get used to that beast. When teaching survival tactics and techniques, I carried a .44 mag (my own revolver) in case we ran into feral pigs and a standard .22 Beretta semi-auto for small game and the smaller nasty critters you found in a swamp. Funny story about qualifying. I never had to qualify until I came back stateside - had to maintain proficiency don't 'cha know. As stated I had problems with the 1911 so I wanted to qualify with my .357 or .44. Range Officer and Armorer were not in the mood and insisted that I use standard military issue. I didn't argue because I knew something they didn't. I barely qualified after six attempts. About a week later they were notified that they were up for the class - MY class. :) All of a sudden - "Hey Sarge, I've given that some thought - want to retry with the revolver?" Nah - I qualified - that's good enough. Heh, heh, heh... :) Well, I qualified, but I wouldn't have worn the badge with much pride. I can shoot the revolver much better. -- John H MERRY CHRISTMAS! Wishing you Peace, Fellowship, and Good Humor as we celebrate the birth of OUR Lord, Jesus Christ on the Christmas Holy Day. |
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NOYB wrote:
"I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin', did he fire six shots or only five? And to tell you the truth, I forgot myself in all this excitement. But bein' this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and it'll blow your head clean off, you could ask yourself a question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?" - Harry Callahan Great line, great delivery, but inaccurate. The .454 Casull, for one. was and is "more powerful." Nope. Model 500 Smith and Wesson: http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun...ster_1103A.jpg Nope. There are many pistols that fire high powered rifle ammo. T/C makes the Contender as an example. All impractical for defense. The S&W Model 500 came up in this thread because Krause was trying to appear knowledgeable and did a quick internet search. -- Skipper |
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NOYB wrote:
Nope what? Try reading for content. Sorry. Thought you said "most powerful". Det. Callahan could have made his statement factually correct by saying: "But bein' this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful *production* handgun in the world..." Nope. The T/C Contender has barrels chambered for more powerful cartridges than the .44 Mag. Been in production since the 60's. -- Skipper |
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LOL, this is so funny watching Harry being a supporter of using handguns
for self defense. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Skipper wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: Skipper wrote: So, which is the better *defensive* handgun, a S&W .357 mag fitted with laser grips or a Glock auto? .357 mag revolver or a .44 mag revolver. Simple, effective and never break down. "I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin', did he fire six shots or only five? And to tell you the truth, I forgot myself in all this excitement. But bein' this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and it'll blow your head clean off, you could ask yourself a question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?" - Harry Callahan -- Skipper Great line, great delivery, but inaccurate. The .454 Casull, for one. was and is "more powerful." -- Bush deserves a fair trial! The .454 was not built at the time of the movie. I hae watched .454 casull being fired, and decided I did not want to abuse myself that much. Have you tried the .500 S&W? I haven't, but I think it would be the perfect "defensive handgun" for all the wheel gun fans. -- Clinton ruined a dress; Bush ruined a nation. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote:
Skipper wrote: Incorrect, the dot can be seen. Stop me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the laser sight give up your own position also? The laser sight can save your life in life threatening situation. It allows you to protect vital body parts while delivering a fatal blow. Iron sights do not. -- Skipper |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Have you tried the .500 S&W? I haven't, but I think it would be the perfect "defensive handgun" for all the wheel gun fans. Recoil alone takes it out of the "perfect" category for defense. Unintended peripheral damage is also far more likely with that canon. -- Skipper |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Doug Kanter wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Skipper wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: Skipper wrote: So, which is the better *defensive* handgun, a S&W .357 mag fitted with laser grips or a Glock auto? .357 mag revolver or a .44 mag revolver. Simple, effective and never break down. "I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin', did he fire six shots or only five? And to tell you the truth, I forgot myself in all this excitement. But bein' this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and it'll blow your head clean off, you could ask yourself a question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?" - Harry Callahan -- Skipper Great line, great delivery, but inaccurate. The .454 Casull, for one. was and is "more powerful." Not sure, but I don't think that load existed at the time the movie was made. Dick Casull developed the .454 Casull in 1957 and announced it in 1959 in Guns and Ammo magazine. If I'm on your "holiday shopping list," I'd like a 454 wheelgun from Freedom Arms. Can you afford to shoot it? What is it now, $3.50 per shot? |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Have you tried the .500 S&W? I haven't, but I think it would be the perfect "defensive handgun" for all the wheel gun fans. The HK canard appears to be Harry's best defensive weapon. -- Skipper |
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Don White wrote:
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: snip... As stated I had problems with the 1911 so I wanted to qualify with my .357 or .44. Range Officer and Armorer were not in the mood and insisted that I use standard military issue. I didn't argue because I knew something they didn't. I barely qualified after six attempts. About a week later they were notified that they were up for the class - MY class. :) All of a sudden - "Hey Sarge, I've given that some thought - want to retry with the revolver?" Nah - I qualified - that's good enough. Heh, heh, heh... :) Didn't make them eat bugs...did you? Got anything to add, Don? Know anything about guns (or boats)? Own a gun (or a boat)? Go away. |
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Skipper wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote: Skipper wrote: Incorrect, the dot can be seen. Stop me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the laser sight give up your own position also? The laser sight can save your life in life threatening situation. It allows you to protect vital body parts while delivering a fatal blow. Iron sights do not. -- Skipper What in the hell are you trying to say? Read what you posted again. Dan |
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Skipper wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote: Laser sights are worthless in the daytime. They are also worthless for a gun purchased for personal or home protection. Read...and learn: http://www.crimsontrace.com/5things.pdf http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/review/crimson_trace.htm http://www.uws.com/LASERGRIPS/HomePage.html http://hunting.about.com/library/wee...lasergrips.htm http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...1/ai_n14936942 Laser sights project a tiny dot on the target. Unlike the movies, there is no fog or smoke to project a beam. It's a dot and the target would have to see it. By that time you're dead unless you are confronting an unarmed assailant or someone with a butcher knife who is 100 feet away. Incorrect, the dot can be seen. -- Skipper Sure, if the guy is looking at his shirt instead of you. How do they help for home protection? Do you think a confrontation like that last for more than 10 seconds? You have been watching too many moves, Dave. Dan |
Better *Defensive* Handgun
Dan Krueger wrote:
The laser sight can save your life in life threatening situation. It allows you to protect vital body parts while delivering a fatal blow. Iron sights do not. What in the hell are you trying to say? Read what you posted again. None of us *expect* to be put into life threatening situations by intruders to our homes...but it does happen. Perhaps the best time to think about your best course of action should that happen is *before* the perp enters your home. First, the laser is a great persuader that has the potential of defusing the situation without firing a shot. That really is the best resolution. Second, the laser dot allows you to take aim from many body positions, while iron sights require the shooter to expose his head while taking aim. Third, the cost of adding laser sights to a defensive weapon in minuscule when measured against you life. One can think of laser sights as being cheap life insurance and an investment in avoiding legal fees. The laser sights give new meaning to the term, shooting from the hip. Accurate results can result from that position...laser assisted. Again, no one expects to be placed in a position to protect your life and property with a gun, but it does happen, and it's best to be properly prepared. -- Skipper |
Better *Defensive* Handgun
Dan Krueger wrote:
Read...and learn: http://www.crimsontrace.com/5things.pdf Sure, if the guy is looking at his shirt instead of you. How do they help for home protection? Do you think a confrontation like that last for more than 10 seconds? You have been watching too many moves, Dave. An intruder break into your home. You confront him with a laser dot bouncing on his chest and command the perp, "freeze or your dead." What does the perp do? What do you do? Does it remind you of those words from the Godfather movie regarding what Michael holds in his hand when he emerges from the mens room? -- Skipper |
Better *Defensive* Handgun
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:13:11 -0600, Skipper wrote:
Stop me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the laser sight give up your own position also? The laser sight can save your life in life threatening situation. It allows you to protect vital body parts while delivering a fatal blow. Iron sights do not. ======================= Perhaps, but that was not my question. |
Better *Defensive* Handgun
Skipper wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote: The laser sight can save your life in life threatening situation. It allows you to protect vital body parts while delivering a fatal blow. Iron sights do not. What in the hell are you trying to say? Read what you posted again. None of us *expect* to be put into life threatening situations by intruders to our homes...but it does happen. Perhaps the best time to think about your best course of action should that happen is *before* the perp enters your home. First, the laser is a great persuader that has the potential of defusing the situation without firing a shot. That really is the best resolution. Second, the laser dot allows you to take aim from many body positions, while iron sights require the shooter to expose his head while taking aim. Third, the cost of adding laser sights to a defensive weapon in minuscule when measured against you life. One can think of laser sights as being cheap life insurance and an investment in avoiding legal fees. The laser sights give new meaning to the term, shooting from the hip. Accurate results can result from that position...laser assisted. Again, no one expects to be placed in a position to protect your life and property with a gun, but it does happen, and it's best to be properly prepared. -- Skipper First - How much time do you think you have to react when someone threatens you? A laser sight is not going to make a difference. Second (following your post) - This is insane. You think you have time to select a particular spot on your target (the intruder)? How does a laser sight keep you from exposing your head while taking aim? You can buy a laser pointer if you really think this stunt will be effective. Third - Sure they are cheap. They are also great for the firing range. How can they save you legal fees??? BTW - Life insurance is paid when you die so laser sights, in your scenario, only facilitate the pay out of life insurance. Do you really own a gun? Have you considered what a real encounter with an intruder would be like? Again, too many movies, Dave... Dan |
Better *Defensive* Handgun
"Wayne.B" wrote:
Skipper wrote: Stop me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the laser sight give up your own position also? The laser sight can save your life in life threatening situation. It allows you to protect vital body parts while delivering a fatal blow. Iron sights do not. Perhaps, but that was not my question. When you place that dancing red dot on the perp's chest, I'd hope your voice gives your position away. Do you intend to shoot *before* commanding the intruder to freeze? Lawyers will have a field day with that one. Bottom line, laser sights are a good investment for home defense. Oh, and BTW, invoking the laser dot is optional with the C/T grips. It does not have to be displayed until trigger pull. -- Skipper |
Better *Defensive* Handgun
Dan Krueger wrote:
Got anything to add, Don? Know anything about guns (or boats)? Own a gun (or a boat)? Go away. Guns??? This is a boating newsgroup dip****. |
Better *Defensive* Handgun
Dan Krueger wrote:
None of us *expect* to be put into life threatening situations by intruders to our homes...but it does happen. Perhaps the best time to think about your best course of action should that happen is *before* the perp enters your home. Again, no one expects to be placed in a position to protect your life and property with a gun, but it does happen, and it's best to be properly prepared. First - How much time do you think you have to react when someone threatens you? A laser sight is not going to make a difference. Adieu! -- Skipper |
Better *Defensive* Handgun
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:17:41 -0600, Skipper wrote:
Second, the laser dot allows you to take aim from many body positions, while iron sights require the shooter to expose his head while taking aim. Help me out here, unless you are using a mirror, how do you see the dot without exposing your head, or at least your eyes? |
Better *Defensive* Handgun
Don White wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote: Got anything to add, Don? Know anything about guns (or boats)? Own a gun (or a boat)? Go away. Guns??? This is a boating newsgroup dip****. Selective quoting... I was responding to your non-boating post. Remember, dip****? |
Better *Defensive* Handgun
Skipper wrote:
Dan Krueger wrote: Read...and learn: http://www.crimsontrace.com/5things.pdf Sure, if the guy is looking at his shirt instead of you. How do they help for home protection? Do you think a confrontation like that last for more than 10 seconds? You have been watching too many moves, Dave. An intruder break into your home. You confront him with a laser dot bouncing on his chest and command the perp, "freeze or your dead." What does the perp do? What do you do? Does it remind you of those words from the Godfather movie regarding what Michael holds in his hand when he emerges from the mens room? -- Skipper An intruder breaks into your home. You are sitting on the couch in the dark with a fully loaded .45 with a laser. Is that how it happens, Dave? Not in my house. I have guns. Loaded guns. But I don't walk around with one. Again...you have been watching too many movies, Dave. |
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