JohnH,
What kind of Smoker do you use. I had one similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455627799

and it was such a pain to clean up, I finally stopped using it.


If I had extra space on the porch, and still eat meat often, I would like a
smoker that didn't require the clean up after each use. Similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455628877

I loved the taste of chicken and fished smoked.



"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:10:18 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:

John H. wrote:



Thanks Mike. I made two turkeys. One on the smoker, and one on the
rotisserie on the Weber. Both were great, but the one on the smoker got
the
best reviews. I overcooked the rotisserie bird a little because some
guests
were about an hour late.

John,

Smoked turkey is one of the best. I'd love to get my hands on a
pheasant to try. What wood did you choose for your smoke? For a
turkey, I like a 50/50 mix of hickory and cherry.

I did the deep fry this year to save time. Still very good.

On Topic (maybe) - I also frequently smoke kingfish and dolphin. It's
great to eat warm, cold, or mixed with some cream cheese and spices in a
fish dip.

Dan

We had to cut down a hickory a couple years ago, and it is slowly getting
used in the smoker. I also like mesquite, but now that I've got all the
hickory, I don't buy anything else.

In Germany I'd get apple wood when the Germans pruned their apple trees.
Apple makes a great wood for a turkey.

I've smoke salmon many times, but never any of the other fish you
mentioned. The salmon takes only about an hour on the smoker, and we love
it!
--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"

A Famous Hypocrite

Sir Rodney Smithers wrote:

JohnH,
What kind of Smoker do you use. I had one similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455627799

and it was such a pain to clean up, I finally stopped using it.


If I had extra space on the porch, and still eat meat often, I would like a
smoker that didn't require the clean up after each use. Similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455628877

I loved the taste of chicken and fished smoked.


Do yourself a favor and get a "WSM". Same footprint as you electric.
Here's a like for one of the better prices on the net...

http://tinyurl.com/afpro

Then you go to...

http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/

Enjoy!

Dan

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:17:37 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:

Sir Rodney Smithers wrote:

JohnH,
What kind of Smoker do you use. I had one similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455627799

and it was such a pain to clean up, I finally stopped using it.


If I had extra space on the porch, and still eat meat often, I would like a
smoker that didn't require the clean up after each use. Similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455628877

I loved the taste of chicken and fished smoked.


Do yourself a favor and get a "WSM". Same footprint as you electric.
Here's a like for one of the better prices on the net...

http://tinyurl.com/afpro

Then you go to...

http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/

Enjoy!

Dan

Charcoal smokers are a pain in the ass. The charcoal must be replaced about
every 3 hours or so, and doing so is a lot of work. The electric unit in
the bottom of the Brinkman makes the job much easier, and provides an even
heat source. I know my turkey will take 40 min per lb. With charcoal, it's
a guessing game.
--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"

A Famous Self-obsessed Hypocrite

John H. wrote:

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:17:37 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:


Sir Rodney Smithers wrote:


JohnH,
What kind of Smoker do you use. I had one similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455627799

and it was such a pain to clean up, I finally stopped using it.


If I had extra space on the porch, and still eat meat often, I would like a
smoker that didn't require the clean up after each use. Similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455628877

I loved the taste of chicken and fished smoked.


Do yourself a favor and get a "WSM". Same footprint as you electric.
Here's a like for one of the better prices on the net...

http://tinyurl.com/afpro

Then you go to...

http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/

Enjoy!

Dan


Charcoal smokers are a pain in the ass. The charcoal must be replaced about
every 3 hours or so, and doing so is a lot of work. The electric unit in
the bottom of the Brinkman makes the job much easier, and provides an even
heat source. I know my turkey will take 40 min per lb. With charcoal, it's
a guessing game.

John,

For starters, you don't use conventional charcoal. You use lump
charcoal - the real thing. The right stuff will last for 6-8 hours
without any intervention.

Dry wood chips added early in the process smoke the meat.

As for the guessing game, a remote thermometer will show you your smoker
temp as well as your meat. You can set alarms to warn you if it's too
cold or when the meat is done. Good smokers like the WSM, Kamados ($$),
etc. will hold their temperature very well for a long period of time.

The OP (Smithers?) was looking at an offset smoker. They aren't
available in any electric form that I have seen.

Once you try a lump charcoal smoker (in any configuration) you won't go
back!

Dan

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:57:28 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:

John H. wrote:

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:17:37 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:


Sir Rodney Smithers wrote:


JohnH,
What kind of Smoker do you use. I had one similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455627799

and it was such a pain to clean up, I finally stopped using it.


If I had extra space on the porch, and still eat meat often, I would like a
smoker that didn't require the clean up after each use. Similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455628877

I loved the taste of chicken and fished smoked.


Do yourself a favor and get a "WSM". Same footprint as you electric.
Here's a like for one of the better prices on the net...

http://tinyurl.com/afpro

Then you go to...

http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/

Enjoy!

Dan


Charcoal smokers are a pain in the ass. The charcoal must be replaced about
every 3 hours or so, and doing so is a lot of work. The electric unit in
the bottom of the Brinkman makes the job much easier, and provides an even
heat source. I know my turkey will take 40 min per lb. With charcoal, it's
a guessing game.

John,

For starters, you don't use conventional charcoal. You use lump
charcoal - the real thing. The right stuff will last for 6-8 hours
without any intervention.

Dry wood chips added early in the process smoke the meat.

As for the guessing game, a remote thermometer will show you your smoker
temp as well as your meat. You can set alarms to warn you if it's too
cold or when the meat is done. Good smokers like the WSM, Kamados ($$),
etc. will hold their temperature very well for a long period of time.

The OP (Smithers?) was looking at an offset smoker. They aren't
available in any electric form that I have seen.

Once you try a lump charcoal smoker (in any configuration) you won't go
back!

Dan

Now you may have a point there. I've never used lump charcoal for something
like that. What's a remote thermometer? That's something else I've never
heard of. I didn't see a thermometer on the Weber smoker, although there is
one on my Weber grill.

Coincidentally, my brother out in Seattle just bought a new grill/smoker
called a Big Green Egg. http://www.biggreenegg.com/ Expensive as hell, but
he thinks he'll get great results from it.

BTW, I looked up Kamado only to find the the BGE has a close relationship
with same. http://www.biggreenegg.com/history.htm

Have you used one of these? Should I invest in one of those or a new Nikon
D200?

--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"

A Famous Self-obsessed Hypocrite

JohnH,

I used to eat meat, mostly chicken and fish, with every meal. Today, I eat
substantially less meat, so I don't think I would buy a smoker, even though
I love the taste of a smoked meat. My brother had the indirect smoker, and
it cooked at a very low temp. You controlled the heat with vents in the
charcoal chamber. There was a temp. gauge for the food chamber, and he used
an remote temp. probe to keep up with the internal temp. of the meat.

Since I didn't have a smoker, I tried a new recipe for cooking Turkey in a
oven. It was by far the best Turkey I have had. The white meat was moist
as can be. I purchased a fresh turkey, without the flavor solution (or self
basting solution) injected into the bird. For the first time ever, I did
not use stuffing (according to Alton Brown, the slower cooking time dries
out the white meat). I placed fresh herbs and onions inside the bird to use
aromatics to improve the taste of the meat. I used a broiler pan (flat
with no sides) instead of a roasting pan. The roasting pan high sides,
diverts the hottest air from the dark meat where it is needed, and directs
it towards the white meat, causing the white meat to dry out. Since it
would not be basted at all, I used olive oil to coat the skin, then applied
a poultry rub to the skin. I preheated the oven to 500 degrees, and cooked
the Turkey at 500 degrees for 30 min. This seared the outside of the bird,
to keep the juices inside the bird. I then lowered the temp. to 350
degrees, covered the bird with aluminum foil, and cooked for approximately 2
1/2 to 3 hrs. I had an internal temp probe similar to this one (
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...845067-0161568)
so I could watch the temp of the turkey breast without opening the oven
door.

At 161 degrees (not at 160 or 162 degrees), I took the Turkey out of the
oven, covered it with aluminum foil and let it rest for 30 min. This was
the best bird ever, outside of a perfectly smoked turkey. ; )

This recipe is adapted from my favorite food scientist, Alton Brown.

http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/reci...6_8389,00.html





"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:57:28 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:

John H. wrote:

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:17:37 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:


Sir Rodney Smithers wrote:


JohnH,
What kind of Smoker do you use. I had one similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455627799

and it was such a pain to clean up, I finally stopped using it.


If I had extra space on the porch, and still eat meat often, I would
like a
smoker that didn't require the clean up after each use. Similar to
this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455628877

I loved the taste of chicken and fished smoked.


Do yourself a favor and get a "WSM". Same footprint as you electric.
Here's a like for one of the better prices on the net...

http://tinyurl.com/afpro

Then you go to...

http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/

Enjoy!

Dan


Charcoal smokers are a pain in the ass. The charcoal must be replaced
about
every 3 hours or so, and doing so is a lot of work. The electric unit in
the bottom of the Brinkman makes the job much easier, and provides an
even
heat source. I know my turkey will take 40 min per lb. With charcoal,
it's
a guessing game.

John,

For starters, you don't use conventional charcoal. You use lump
charcoal - the real thing. The right stuff will last for 6-8 hours
without any intervention.

Dry wood chips added early in the process smoke the meat.

As for the guessing game, a remote thermometer will show you your smoker
temp as well as your meat. You can set alarms to warn you if it's too
cold or when the meat is done. Good smokers like the WSM, Kamados ($$),
etc. will hold their temperature very well for a long period of time.

The OP (Smithers?) was looking at an offset smoker. They aren't
available in any electric form that I have seen.

Once you try a lump charcoal smoker (in any configuration) you won't go
back!

Dan

Now you may have a point there. I've never used lump charcoal for
something
like that. What's a remote thermometer? That's something else I've never
heard of. I didn't see a thermometer on the Weber smoker, although there
is
one on my Weber grill.

Coincidentally, my brother out in Seattle just bought a new grill/smoker
called a Big Green Egg. http://www.biggreenegg.com/ Expensive as hell, but
he thinks he'll get great results from it.

BTW, I looked up Kamado only to find the the BGE has a close relationship
with same. http://www.biggreenegg.com/history.htm

Have you used one of these? Should I invest in one of those or a new Nikon
D200?

--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"

A Famous Self-obsessed Hypocrite

My favorite recipe is similar.......it uses apples and pears along with
onions and fresh herbs in the body cavity......and I baste it with masala
wine during the roasting.

"Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my knighthood. wrote in message
...
JohnH,

I used to eat meat, mostly chicken and fish, with every meal. Today, I
eat
substantially less meat, so I don't think I would buy a smoker, even
though
I love the taste of a smoked meat. My brother had the indirect smoker,
and
it cooked at a very low temp. You controlled the heat with vents in the
charcoal chamber. There was a temp. gauge for the food chamber, and he
used
an remote temp. probe to keep up with the internal temp. of the meat.

Since I didn't have a smoker, I tried a new recipe for cooking Turkey in
a
oven. It was by far the best Turkey I have had. The white meat was
moist
as can be. I purchased a fresh turkey, without the flavor solution (or
self
basting solution) injected into the bird. For the first time ever, I
did
not use stuffing (according to Alton Brown, the slower cooking time
dries
out the white meat). I placed fresh herbs and onions inside the bird to
use
aromatics to improve the taste of the meat. I used a broiler pan (flat
with no sides) instead of a roasting pan. The roasting pan high sides,
diverts the hottest air from the dark meat where it is needed, and
directs
it towards the white meat, causing the white meat to dry out. Since it
would not be basted at all, I used olive oil to coat the skin, then
applied
a poultry rub to the skin. I preheated the oven to 500 degrees, and
cooked
the Turkey at 500 degrees for 30 min. This seared the outside of the
bird,
to keep the juices inside the bird. I then lowered the temp. to 350
degrees, covered the bird with aluminum foil, and cooked for
approximately 2
1/2 to 3 hrs. I had an internal temp probe similar to this one (

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...845067-0161568)
so I could watch the temp of the turkey breast without opening the oven
door.

At 161 degrees (not at 160 or 162 degrees), I took the Turkey out of the
oven, covered it with aluminum foil and let it rest for 30 min. This
was
the best bird ever, outside of a perfectly smoked turkey. ; )

This recipe is adapted from my favorite food scientist, Alton Brown.

http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/reci...6_8389,00.html





"John H." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:57:28 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:

John H. wrote:

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:17:37 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:


Sir Rodney Smithers wrote:


JohnH,
What kind of Smoker do you use. I had one similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455627799

and it was such a pain to clean up, I finally stopped using it.


If I had extra space on the porch, and still eat meat often, I would
like a
smoker that didn't require the clean up after each use. Similar to
this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455628877

I loved the taste of chicken and fished smoked.


Do yourself a favor and get a "WSM". Same footprint as you electric.
Here's a like for one of the better prices on the net...

http://tinyurl.com/afpro

Then you go to...

http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/

Enjoy!

Dan


Charcoal smokers are a pain in the ass. The charcoal must be replaced
about
every 3 hours or so, and doing so is a lot of work. The electric unit
in
the bottom of the Brinkman makes the job much easier, and provides an
even
heat source. I know my turkey will take 40 min per lb. With charcoal,
it's
a guessing game.

John,

For starters, you don't use conventional charcoal. You use lump
charcoal - the real thing. The right stuff will last for 6-8 hours
without any intervention.

Dry wood chips added early in the process smoke the meat.

As for the guessing game, a remote thermometer will show you your
smoker
temp as well as your meat. You can set alarms to warn you if it's too
cold or when the meat is done. Good smokers like the WSM, Kamados
($$),
etc. will hold their temperature very well for a long period of time.

The OP (Smithers?) was looking at an offset smoker. They aren't
available in any electric form that I have seen.

Once you try a lump charcoal smoker (in any configuration) you won't go
back!

Dan

Now you may have a point there. I've never used lump charcoal for
something
like that. What's a remote thermometer? That's something else I've
never
heard of. I didn't see a thermometer on the Weber smoker, although
there
is
one on my Weber grill.

Coincidentally, my brother out in Seattle just bought a new
grill/smoker
called a Big Green Egg. http://www.biggreenegg.com/ Expensive as hell,
but
he thinks he'll get great results from it.

BTW, I looked up Kamado only to find the the BGE has a close
relationship
with same. http://www.biggreenegg.com/history.htm

Have you used one of these? Should I invest in one of those or a new
Nikon
D200?

--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"

A Famous Self-obsessed Hypocrite

John H. wrote:

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:57:28 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:


John H. wrote:


On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:17:37 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:



Sir Rodney Smithers wrote:



JohnH,
What kind of Smoker do you use. I had one similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455627799

and it was such a pain to clean up, I finally stopped using it.


If I had extra space on the porch, and still eat meat often, I would like a
smoker that didn't require the clean up after each use. Similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455628877

I loved the taste of chicken and fished smoked.


Do yourself a favor and get a "WSM". Same footprint as you electric.
Here's a like for one of the better prices on the net...

http://tinyurl.com/afpro

Then you go to...

http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/

Enjoy!

Dan


Charcoal smokers are a pain in the ass. The charcoal must be replaced about
every 3 hours or so, and doing so is a lot of work. The electric unit in
the bottom of the Brinkman makes the job much easier, and provides an even
heat source. I know my turkey will take 40 min per lb. With charcoal, it's
a guessing game.

John,

For starters, you don't use conventional charcoal. You use lump
charcoal - the real thing. The right stuff will last for 6-8 hours
without any intervention.

Dry wood chips added early in the process smoke the meat.

As for the guessing game, a remote thermometer will show you your smoker
temp as well as your meat. You can set alarms to warn you if it's too
cold or when the meat is done. Good smokers like the WSM, Kamados ($$),
etc. will hold their temperature very well for a long period of time.

The OP (Smithers?) was looking at an offset smoker. They aren't
available in any electric form that I have seen.

Once you try a lump charcoal smoker (in any configuration) you won't go
back!

Dan


Now you may have a point there. I've never used lump charcoal for something
like that. What's a remote thermometer? That's something else I've never
heard of. I didn't see a thermometer on the Weber smoker, although there is
one on my Weber grill.

Coincidentally, my brother out in Seattle just bought a new grill/smoker
called a Big Green Egg. http://www.biggreenegg.com/ Expensive as hell, but
he thinks he'll get great results from it.

BTW, I looked up Kamado only to find the the BGE has a close relationship
with same. http://www.biggreenegg.com/history.htm

Have you used one of these? Should I invest in one of those or a new Nikon
D200?


Here's the link for the remote thermometer I own:

http://www.maverickhousewares.com/th...mote_therm.htm

The BGE's and Kamado's are very nice. Since is doesn't get very cold
here, I am happy with my Weber Smokey Mountain that cost $169.00 or so.

Here's the lump charcoal I have been using lately. 8 hours at a
constant 250º is not out of the question and the results are excellent!

http://www.nakedwhiz.com/lumpdatabase/lumpbag54.htm

Get the WSM and the D200!

Dan

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:53:34 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:

John H. wrote:

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:57:28 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:


John H. wrote:


On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:17:37 GMT, Dan Krueger
wrote:



Sir Rodney Smithers wrote:



JohnH,
What kind of Smoker do you use. I had one similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455627799

and it was such a pain to clean up, I finally stopped using it.


If I had extra space on the porch, and still eat meat often, I would like a
smoker that didn't require the clean up after each use. Similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455628877

I loved the taste of chicken and fished smoked.


Do yourself a favor and get a "WSM". Same footprint as you electric.
Here's a like for one of the better prices on the net...

http://tinyurl.com/afpro

Then you go to...

http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/

Enjoy!

Dan


Charcoal smokers are a pain in the ass. The charcoal must be replaced about
every 3 hours or so, and doing so is a lot of work. The electric unit in
the bottom of the Brinkman makes the job much easier, and provides an even
heat source. I know my turkey will take 40 min per lb. With charcoal, it's
a guessing game.

John,

For starters, you don't use conventional charcoal. You use lump
charcoal - the real thing. The right stuff will last for 6-8 hours
without any intervention.

Dry wood chips added early in the process smoke the meat.

As for the guessing game, a remote thermometer will show you your smoker
temp as well as your meat. You can set alarms to warn you if it's too
cold or when the meat is done. Good smokers like the WSM, Kamados ($$),
etc. will hold their temperature very well for a long period of time.

The OP (Smithers?) was looking at an offset smoker. They aren't
available in any electric form that I have seen.

Once you try a lump charcoal smoker (in any configuration) you won't go
back!

Dan


Now you may have a point there. I've never used lump charcoal for something
like that. What's a remote thermometer? That's something else I've never
heard of. I didn't see a thermometer on the Weber smoker, although there is
one on my Weber grill.

Coincidentally, my brother out in Seattle just bought a new grill/smoker
called a Big Green Egg. http://www.biggreenegg.com/ Expensive as hell, but
he thinks he'll get great results from it.

BTW, I looked up Kamado only to find the the BGE has a close relationship
with same. http://www.biggreenegg.com/history.htm

Have you used one of these? Should I invest in one of those or a new Nikon
D200?


Here's the link for the remote thermometer I own:

http://www.maverickhousewares.com/th...mote_therm.htm

The BGE's and Kamado's are very nice. Since is doesn't get very cold
here, I am happy with my Weber Smokey Mountain that cost $169.00 or so.

Here's the lump charcoal I have been using lately. 8 hours at a
constant 250º is not out of the question and the results are excellent!

http://www.nakedwhiz.com/lumpdatabase/lumpbag54.htm

Get the WSM and the D200!

Dan

Cool! Thanks. I bought the D200 today.I'm hoping it'll get here before
Christmas.
--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"

A Famous Self-obsessed Hypocrite

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:06:26 -0500, "Sir Rodney Smithers" Ask me about my
knighthood. wrote:

JohnH,
What kind of Smoker do you use. I had one similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455627799

and it was such a pain to clean up, I finally stopped using it.


If I had extra space on the porch, and still eat meat often, I would like a
smoker that didn't require the clean up after each use. Similar to this:

http://www.americasbestbbq.com/morei...t_ID=455628877

I loved the taste of chicken and fished smoked.

I have a Brinkman I've had for about 15 years now. The only cleaning it
gets is the grill and the water pan.

I would love to have one of the Texas smoker types also, mainly for beef
brisket and pork shoulders (whole). Pork shoulders come out well on the
Weber, but I've not been able to get a brisket to do well on the Weber or
the smoker.
--
John H

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"

A Famous Self-obsessed Hypocrite