Mike Beede wrote:
In article oTndf.5414$GB1.4443@trndny06,
Brian Nystrom wrote:


Mike Beede wrote:

In article 3FFcf.7336$941.840@trndny02,
Brian Nystrom wrote:



It's illegal to sell "used" kayak plans. When you purchase plans, you
purchase the right to build one boat with them. Designers have a right
to expect to be paid for their expertise. They have to make a living, too.


Do you have a citation for this law? I'd have imagined that
like any other copyrighted material that you could resell it to
your heart's content.

Then you apparently have no idea what a "copyright" means. What do you
think all the lawsuits over distributing music over the internet and
pirating software are about? Do you think you can just copy a book or
video and sell it?


I assume we're talking about the United States here. I don't know
what the law is elsewhere. In the U.S., if I buy a copyrighted work,
I have the absolute right to sell it to anyone I like. I didn't see
you say anything about selling copies of plans. You said "it's illegal
to sell `used' kayak plans." Perhaps you took my "to your heart's content"
to mean copying. That wasn't my intent.

Sorry if I misunderstood. Yes, you can sell a used book, CD or whatever,
but you cannot copy it and sell the copies.

I'd still like a citation on what law prevents the sale of used
kayak plans.

Read the information that comes with the plans you buy. The copyright
holder has to right to limit you or anyone else to construction of one
boat per set of plans. What you're doing is "licencing" the plans for
that purpose. Legally, I guess you can sell the plans to someone else,
but it's illegal for them to build a boat using them, since they did not
purchase a license for them. It's essentially the same as copying. OTOH,
I have some plans that I never built a boat from, so I can sell them and
the new owner can legally use the license I purchased, since I didn't
use it.

On 9 Nov 2005 17:23:57 -0800, "k" wrote:

Hi all,

Anyone have any full size "used" Kayak plans they want to sell? I am
thinking about building a 16 footer. The Ocean One plans look very
good.

A canvas Kayak would be OK. Thanks, -k


There's offset tables in the book kayakcraft that you can use to make
your own plans. Its not that hard to lay them out. I'm building a skin
on frame 14'er for my wife using dimensions from the book.

k wrote:
: Hi all,

: Anyone have any full size "used" Kayak plans they want to sell? I am
: thinking about building a 16 footer. The Ocean One plans look very
: good.

: A canvas Kayak would be OK. Thanks, -k

How serious of a boat do you want?

We did a project with scouts using Roy Underhill's book... you can check it
out at the library... the first kayak we built exactly to plan, and realized
that was way to heavy... so the rest of them we built quite a bit lighter
using waferboard on the sides since it's covered anyway...

First boat we burned as a campfire at Kankakee River State Park.

We had the kids save milk jugs with caps as floatation for the project.
http://pages.ripco.net/~jwn/scout.html (twelve 1 gallon containers per boat)

Cost was about $25 per kayak... included $4 per boat for the skin... we
got the skin from a boat yard, it's that plastic stuff they use to winterize
boats. The price we paid for the skin may have been discounted since we
were a scout troop, but we paid retail for all the lumber...

--
John Nelson
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K, check out

http://foldingkayaks.org/

there are lots of links here about building your own SOF. Look for
Yostwerks in particular, TnT


Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote:
k wrote:
: Hi all,

: Anyone have any full size "used" Kayak plans they want to sell? I am
: thinking about building a 16 footer. The Ocean One plans look very
: good.

: A canvas Kayak would be OK. Thanks, -k

How serious of a boat do you want?

We did a project with scouts using Roy Underhill's book... you can check it
out at the library... the first kayak we built exactly to plan, and realized
that was way to heavy... so the rest of them we built quite a bit lighter
using waferboard on the sides since it's covered anyway...

First boat we burned as a campfire at Kankakee River State Park.

We had the kids save milk jugs with caps as floatation for the project.
http://pages.ripco.net/~jwn/scout.html (twelve 1 gallon containers per boat)

Cost was about $25 per kayak... included $4 per boat for the skin... we
got the skin from a boat yard, it's that plastic stuff they use to winterize
boats. The price we paid for the skin may have been discounted since we
were a scout troop, but we paid retail for all the lumber...

--
John Nelson
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page
http://www.chicagopaddling.org http://www.chicagofishing.org
(A Non-Commercial Web Site: No Sponsors, No Paid Ads and Nothing to Sell)