BTW would you mind not crossposting quite so much?

Bill McKee wrote:
No, it was a 25' sailboat under power. A powerboat. They then raised
sails, while motor is still running and made a 90 degree turn in front of
me. Still a powerboat. And I guess DSK would argue that it is a sailboat
at all times.


I guess you have to make my statements for me, since you have no answer
for the ones I actually make myself.

If the sailboat was being propelled by a motor, then they have to obey
the rules as a motorboat.

That does not excuse you from passing too close & too fast.

And, if you knew 1/2 as much about sailing as you think you know, it
would have been easy to see that they were preparing to raise their
sails, which usually is done while turned head-to-wind. They should have
checked for traffic first.

You are *still* not excused from passing too close & too fast.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Bill McKee wrote:



No, it was a 25' sailboat under power. A powerboat. They then raised
sails, while motor is still running and made a 90 degree turn in front of
me. Still a powerboat. And I guess DSK would argue that it is a sailboat
at all times.


How long are you gonna beat this dead horse? You should have raised
the sailboat on VHF...bet you could have talked him to death.

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
BTW would you mind not crossposting quite so much?

Bill McKee wrote:
No, it was a 25' sailboat under power. A powerboat. They then raised
sails, while motor is still running and made a 90 degree turn in front of
me. Still a powerboat. And I guess DSK would argue that it is a
sailboat at all times.


I guess you have to make my statements for me, since you have no answer
for the ones I actually make myself.

If the sailboat was being propelled by a motor, then they have to obey the
rules as a motorboat.

That does not excuse you from passing too close & too fast.

And, if you knew 1/2 as much about sailing as you think you know, it would
have been easy to see that they were preparing to raise their sails, which
usually is done while turned head-to-wind. They should have checked for
traffic first.

You are *still* not excused from passing too close & too fast.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


I just reply to the groups you poast to.

"Don White" wrote in message
news
Bill McKee wrote:



No, it was a 25' sailboat under power. A powerboat. They then raised
sails, while motor is still running and made a 90 degree turn in front of
me. Still a powerboat. And I guess DSK would argue that it is a
sailboat at all times.

How long are you gonna beat this dead horse? You should have raised the
sailboat on VHF...bet you could have talked him to death.

Seems as if you and yours are beating it to death. If there was time to
raise him on the VHF, we would have been a lot further apart when he turned.

Is there any chance of declaring a cease-fire on this thread, or at least
consigning it to newsgroups other than rec.boats.building?

It has had nothing to do with boat-building for the last 100 or so
acrimonious, ad-hominem entries.

Please allow us to get back to our usual squabbles over wood versus
fiberglass. (g)

Seems as if you and yours are beating it to death.

In article , DSK
wrote:

"Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote in
JimC,
If there is a collision and both boats could have avoided the collision,
both boats can be held partially reasonable. If the sailboat in a passing
situation turns in front of another boat and it is not reasonable for the
other boater to avoid the collision, the powerboater will not be held
responsible.


Do you realize that your two statements are a direct contradiction of
each other?

Jim Carter wrote:
Dr. Smithers, the first part of your statement is absolutely correct. The
second part of your statement is incorrect in as much as there is no such
thing as it being "not reasonable" for the powerboater to avoid the
collision in the way Bill has described the situation. In this case it
would have been the fault of Bill's judgement. He was too close and too
fast in the situation. He MUST stay clear in the overtaking situation.


But to most motorboaters, it is unreasonable to slow down and give other
boats a wide berth. They have a RIGHT to go blasting right past any
sailboat, close aboard, and by golly that durn sailboat better just stay
outta their way!

This is just the flipside of Donal's opinion that freighters in fog
need to keep out of the way of his sailboat, and mount a visual lookout
to ensure they comply.....

PDW

In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote in
:

proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
news
Bill McKee wrote:



No, it was a 25' sailboat under power. A powerboat. They then raised
sails, while motor is still running and made a 90 degree turn in front of
me. Still a powerboat. And I guess DSK would argue that it is a
sailboat at all times.

How long are you gonna beat this dead horse? You should have raised the
sailboat on VHF...bet you could have talked him to death.

Seems as if you and yours are beating it to death. If there was time to
raise him on the VHF, we would have been a lot further apart when he turned.

Yeah, and if you hadn't instituted a dangerously close overtaking
manoeuvre, there would have been plenty of time and there wouldn't have
been a problem.

Have you got the idea yet? You were wrong.

PDW

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote in
:

proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was also
a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its motor
running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You have to
not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to continue in
the same direction. 17, a, i .

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...
I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was
also
a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its motor
running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You have
to
not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to continue in
the same direction. 17, a, i .

Bill. A sailboat is still a sailboat, even if the motor is running. It
has to be in gear with the propulsion machinery in motion to be classified
as a power boat. There are many reasons for a sailboat to have the motor
running and not in gear. Recharging batteries, running a motor driven pump
or other on board device not pertaining to the propulsion of the vessel.

You are still at fault for being too fast and too close if you collide with
the sailboat. Do you not have enough brain power to comprehend this?

Jim C.