In my cyber life I own a fleet of boats; a fabulous 36' Zimmermanlike
lobster boat, a Parker cuddy, and an Old Town canoe. I've owned 36 other
boats including a new custom Hatteras with Corinthian leather upholstery
and a few Swans. I've sailed around the Horn several times and have salt
water flowing though my veins.

In real life I live in a trailer park and have pretty low self esteem.
The overall quality of my life is not very good as I spend most of my
time trolling cyber newsgroups. I do have an old Parker but use it
infrequently. My favorite boat is the 3.6" plastic lobster boat I play
with in the tub (at least I call it my lobster boat).

Who am I?

--
Skipper

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:24:03 -0500, Skipper wrote:

In my cyber life I own a fleet of boats; a fabulous 36' Zimmermanlike
lobster boat, a Parker cuddy, and an Old Town canoe. I've owned 36 other
boats including a new custom Hatteras with Corinthian leather upholstery
and a few Swans. I've sailed around the Horn several times and have salt
water flowing though my veins.

In real life I live in a trailer park and have pretty low self esteem.
The overall quality of my life is not very good as I spend most of my
time trolling cyber newsgroups. I do have an old Parker but use it
infrequently. My favorite boat is the 3.6" plastic lobster boat I play
with in the tub (at least I call it my lobster boat).

Who am I?

For shame!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Skipper wrote:
In my cyber life I own a fleet of boats; a fabulous 36' Zimmermanlike
lobster boat, a Parker cuddy, and an Old Town canoe. I've owned 36 other
boats including a new custom Hatteras with Corinthian leather upholstery
and a few Swans. I've sailed around the Horn several times and have salt
water flowing though my veins.

In real life I live in a trailer park and have pretty low self esteem.
The overall quality of my life is not very good as I spend most of my
time trolling cyber newsgroups. I do have an old Parker but use it
infrequently. My favorite boat is the 3.6" plastic lobster boat I play
with in the tub (at least I call it my lobster boat).

Who am I?

--
Skipper


Can't be the imitation Skipper..from Derby or whatever. I heard he was
evicted from his trailer park for causing property values to plumit.

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
In my cyber life I own a fleet of boats; a fabulous 36' Zimmermanlike
lobster boat, a Parker cuddy, and an Old Town canoe. I've owned 36 other
boats including a new custom Hatteras with Corinthian leather upholstery
and a few Swans. I've sailed around the Horn several times and have salt
water flowing though my veins.

In real life I live in a trailer park and have pretty low self esteem.
The overall quality of my life is not very good as I spend most of my
time trolling cyber newsgroups. I do have an old Parker but use it
infrequently. My favorite boat is the 3.6" plastic lobster boat I play
with in the tub (at least I call it my lobster boat).

Who am I?

--
Skipper


Can't be the imitation Skipper..from Derby or whatever. I heard he was
evicted from his trailer park for causing property values to plumit.

So explain to me how someone can post as Skipper with their ISP showing the
same as the original Skipper had and the IP address also being the same.

Also explain how the Skipper knows the particulars about certain NG members
here, some of which appear never to have been posted in this NG as they were
private exchanges.

Chuck Gould has Skippers phone number. Perhaps he can email it to you so
you can put this Imitation Skipper crap to bed once and for all.

*JimH* wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

Skipper wrote:

In my cyber life I own a fleet of boats; a fabulous 36' Zimmermanlike
lobster boat, a Parker cuddy, and an Old Town canoe. I've owned 36 other
boats including a new custom Hatteras with Corinthian leather upholstery
and a few Swans. I've sailed around the Horn several times and have salt
water flowing though my veins.

In real life I live in a trailer park and have pretty low self esteem.
The overall quality of my life is not very good as I spend most of my
time trolling cyber newsgroups. I do have an old Parker but use it
infrequently. My favorite boat is the 3.6" plastic lobster boat I play
with in the tub (at least I call it my lobster boat).

Who am I?

--
Skipper


Can't be the imitation Skipper..from Derby or whatever. I heard he was
evicted from his trailer park for causing property values to plumit.


So explain to me how someone can post as Skipper with their ISP showing the
same as the original Skipper had and the IP address also being the same.

Also explain how the Skipper knows the particulars about certain NG members
here, some of which appear never to have been posted in this NG as they were
private exchanges.

Chuck Gould has Skippers phone number. Perhaps he can email it to you so
you can put this Imitation Skipper crap to bed once and for all.


I'll bet 'Krazy Karen' from Oz and others could list every slight Harry
has, or has been accused of, committing against the 'original Skipper'.
Posters in here have stated it can be done technically......
After all the foolishness in this newsgroup over the years, I assume
someone out there is capable of doing it.

"Don White" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

Skipper wrote:

In my cyber life I own a fleet of boats; a fabulous 36' Zimmermanlike
lobster boat, a Parker cuddy, and an Old Town canoe. I've owned 36 other
boats including a new custom Hatteras with Corinthian leather upholstery
and a few Swans. I've sailed around the Horn several times and have salt
water flowing though my veins.

In real life I live in a trailer park and have pretty low self esteem.
The overall quality of my life is not very good as I spend most of my
time trolling cyber newsgroups. I do have an old Parker but use it
infrequently. My favorite boat is the 3.6" plastic lobster boat I play
with in the tub (at least I call it my lobster boat).

Who am I?

--
Skipper


Can't be the imitation Skipper..from Derby or whatever. I heard he was
evicted from his trailer park for causing property values to plumit.


So explain to me how someone can post as Skipper with their ISP showing
the same as the original Skipper had and the IP address also being the
same.

Also explain how the Skipper knows the particulars about certain NG
members here, some of which appear never to have been posted in this NG
as they were private exchanges.

Chuck Gould has Skippers phone number. Perhaps he can email it to you so
you can put this Imitation Skipper crap to bed once and for all.
I'll bet 'Krazy Karen' from Oz and others could list every slight Harry
has, or has been accused of, committing against the 'original Skipper'.
Posters in here have stated it can be done technically......
After all the foolishness in this newsgroup over the years, I assume
someone out there is capable of doing it.

Yet no one has explained how it can be done.

All it takes it a phone call to the real Skipper. Why are all you 'fake
skipper' accusers so unwilling to prove it with a simple phone call to him?

Skipper wrote:
In my cyber life I own a fleet of boats; a fabulous 36' Zimmermanlike
lobster boat, a Parker cuddy, and an Old Town canoe. I've owned 36 other
boats including a new custom Hatteras with Corinthian leather upholstery
and a few Swans. I've sailed around the Horn several times and have salt
water flowing though my veins.

In real life I live in a trailer park and have pretty low self esteem.
The overall quality of my life is not very good as I spend most of my
time trolling cyber newsgroups. I do have an old Parker but use it
infrequently. My favorite boat is the 3.6" plastic lobster boat I play
with in the tub (at least I call it my lobster boat).

Who am I?

--
Skipper

That's too easy Skip!!:-)

It's the non boat owning liar Harry Krause the union fund employee.

K

Here's just a few of his boat lies:-)

I try to keep a little on topic material if possible so .....

Here's where this liar works, the lowest of the low, a spruiker for a
union rip off, he works in the "PR" dept of a union, that about tells it all

PR Contacts

For media inquiries, please contact the individual listed below:

Harry Krause
ULLICO Inc.
(202) 682-7957



Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old
memories:-)

But if I may?? before you read; take a look at these passages from an
article about the bent union rip off, who rip off other unionists,
(honour among .......???)

ULLICO
Union Pension-Owned Company Set to Lose $20-$30 Million
Its stock windfall from the bankrupt Global Crossing now gone,
Georgine, former head of the AFL-CIO's Bldg. &
Construction Trades Dept., blamed chief financial officer John Grelle for
the losses. Days later, Grelle resigned in protest, blasting Georgine for
not selling the company jet, which costs $3 million a year.

N.B. Now did you see that!!!!!??? Harry as you'll see below "claims"
his wife has a corporate jet!!!! He's making these stories up as the
jealous junior mail person in the PR dept!!!!

There was no indication if Grelle also called on Georgine and other union
boss directors of Ullico to return the more than $6 million they made in
inside deals of Ullico stock in 2000 and 2001. In the late 90s, Ullico was
able to buy Global Crossing stock at its initial public offering (IPO)
price. By 1999, a $7.6 million investment had mushroomed to $335 million.
After pricing its own stock at a set $25 per share, Ullico directors changed
the rules, setting a new price at the beginning of each year.

So these rip offs were raking it in at the expense of the workers in
many unions & I'll suggest that the fantasy boats that Harry claims are
HIS OWN are in fact the play things of the execs of the insurance CO, I
also suggest that's his only involvement is as the boat boy for his
union bosses!!!


Global
Crossing spiraled toward bankruptcy, and Ullico's stock took a tumble, the
Ullico directors who had bought their stock at $54 a share were given two
opportunities to sell it back, the first time for $146 a share, the second
time for $75. As Georgine and the other Ullico officials made $6.7 million
in profits, the union pension funds that own Ullico could not take advantage
of the same deal.

And clearly they have a very well practiced liar in the PR dept mail
room to help post out those bogus spin releases:-)



[New York Times 3/28/03]

Anyway back to the lies:-)





Just to make your day, not only was
I a civilian employee in SE Asia, it was in Vietnam, it was
during the
war against Vietnam, I did see some horrific sights and I was
working at
the time for a U.S. general. Is that straightforward enough for you,
John, or is your amoeba still chasing your synapse


I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another
writer for my staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and
in the Wash Post.




I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and
business
booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to
hire a
production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the
state of the economy, other than using it as reason to defeat
Republicrap
candidates.


I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another
writer for my

staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash
Post.












We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health
insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a
401k,
and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a
share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our
employees
pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but
that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two
weeks
vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third
year. In
addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on
Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20
days
of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company
administering
pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees.
Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model,
except, of
course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are
not-for-profit enterprises.
How do these compare to the bennies at your shop?

Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12
paid
holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every
year. Are
they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to
bankruptcy.

Boy...and you had me going there for a minute.

Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our
business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our
business always goes up in a major election year.
You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because
Bush is
such a total failure.


The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless
those
days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no
one as
yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're
there
in case they're needed.


Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD.

The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an
employe's
salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of
purchasing
an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic
benefit
maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is
increased to
$10,000 per month.





So here';s just some of the sewerage he's posted about yet "another'
boat he claioms to own the fabled "Lobster boat". He's just full of it
he really it



Sure. I'm in the market for a new marine diesel of 420-480 shp. I'm
especially
interested in Volvo's TAMD74P EDC, because Volvo has had a lot of
experience
with electronic controls in that size diesel. I've dismissed
getting a Cat 3208
TA because the technology is so old and because a couple of
commercial fishermen
I know who have had 3208's have, basically, burned them out.




Thanks. Yes, Cummins is talked about favorably by some of the guys
I've been
talking to. Most of them have had experience with Cats, especially
the 3208, and
in recent years some have moved to Volvos.

These are commercial fishermen, mostly, running hulls somewhat
similar to what
we're doing.



No, the diesel is for a new boat we're having built.




Hmmm. A fishing/day cruising boat with some range, nice speed, a
real soft ride,
offshore capabilities and sleeping/full head(with standup shower
enclosure)/galley accommodations. Fiberglass, although the
architect did try to
convince me to go with cold-molded wood, which I do like.
More specifically, I suppose, a lobsta' boat, sort of, if that
brings up a
mental image for you.




She'll measure 36' sans a bowsprit x a little more than 12' in beam.
The hull
buttom is built down to the keel. There are no chines.
The hull is efficient at displacement and planing speeds. According
to the hull
builder, if we keep the weight within certain limits, we'll achieve
a WOT of
about 37-38 mph, and a very easy cruise of 30-32 mph on a single
diesel of about
420-450 hp. She'll cruise slow and economically, too.
We expect a very smooooooooooth riding boat, able to take on a big
headsea at a
pretty good clip without beating up the folks inside.
Fitting out a boat like this is going to be an interesting and
stimulating
experience. Basically, we get to spec everything and we end up with
a custom
boat

It's Lou Codega. He's a widely known and respected naval
architect. He
does Regulator's hulls, too. He's done the Navigator 37. I
believe he's
also done designs for Carolina Classic.

Cummins faxed me a bunch of computer generated data today on engine
choices for

the new boat.

On the 36-footer, 16,000 pounds displacement:

QSM11 635 hp, 36.3 mph WOT, 32.1 mph at sustained cruise, marine
gear ratio of
1.77, turning a four blade 26x35 prop on a 2.50 inch Aquamet 22
shaft. Too much
engine.

QSM11 535 hp at 2300 rpm, 33.3 mph WOT, 29.5 mph at sustained
cruise of 2100
rpm, same gear ratio, 24x34 prop. Right on the money.

6CTA8.3 450 hp, 30.6 mph WOT, 27.5 mph at sustained cruise, 2.00:1
gear ratio,
24x31 four blade prop on Aquamet 22 2" shaft.

Cummins tells me its program is "about 8% too conservative."

Looks like the QSM11 535 will be the right engine. Its fuel use is
only a little
more than the 450's and a lot less than the 635 hp engine. What I
want is a 30
mph sustained cruise speed, and 535 hp will do it. Cummins also
figured the boat
at 1000 pounds heavier than our target, which is probably the
smart thing to do.
Besides, the QSM is a new, all computerized design.

The hull form is what got to me. The boat has a substantial keel
and it is a
built-down keel, right to its bottom, not just "tacked" on. It
backs down
beautifully. And it seems to roll one heck of a lot less in a beam
sea than the
semi-vee 36 footers I've been on, and especially some large deep
vee fishing
boats of about the same size its been my pleasure to fish aboard. I
believe it
is a function of the keel and the really low center of gravity.
Amazing, for a
boat that is round bilged and fairly flat under the transom. No
chines. Just
splash rails forward and aft. A soft, soft ride...which is what I
wanted.







Here's just some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted);

I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats,
depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season.
Everything was
sold...every
cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started.
For near
full-retail, too.


He had just under $1,000,000 on floor plan with a
syndicate of banks led by National Shawmut of Boston. He had
been a
solid customer of that back for more than 20 years and they
gave him
great rates.



As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president
in my memory,
and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife),
Kennedy,
Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and
participated in
deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more
important than who
was giving them blow jobs.

Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except
Bush, and I
worked once for his father.



My father used to pray that the north shore of LI Sound would
be hit by
a mild hurricane. No
one injured, no on-shore property damaged, but lots of boats
sunk.
Preferably early in July.


We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold
clear, a
broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued
Florida
lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two
breadwinners
hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary
assignments
they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after
being
romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what
we paid
for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full
years. So,
we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose
any, either.
The proceeds were prudently invested.

The PWC was won as
a prize in a raffle.



Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of
his office?
Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?"
Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one
or two















"around the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These
were sold
as "as is, where is." He made sure the engine would start and
run.
Beyond that, it was up to the prospective buyer to decide if
he wanted
it. They moved off the lot pretty quickly, partially because
my dad's
main store was on a highly trafficked commercial route with
lots of
manufacturing and machining and aerospace plants near by. In
those days,
workers at these places could fix anything.


Actually, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner.
But he still
called bumpers bumpers.
--



Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to
entice him
into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small
boat
dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he
was the
*exclusive* Evinrude dealer in a densely populated coastal
county. He
also handled Mercuries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred
to them
as "jerry-built."


From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard
motors a
year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high
percentage of *all*
outboards sold in his home state for those years.


This is a killer. My father was in the boat business dating
back to
right after
the Big War. When he died and I was looking through his
warehouse, I found
wrapped in a nuclear fall-out bag (no kidding), a brand-new
1949
Evinrude 8015
50 hp outboard. The motor was a gift to my father from
Evinrude for
winning some
outboard stock utility or hydroplane race.

I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the
shop as head
mechanic. I don't believe he ever used it and I'm sure it is
still
brand-new. I
have no idea who might own it now.



He also built
boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and
all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and
I've
just been an occasional boat owner.


Besides, I worked off and on in the
boat business and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm
knee-deep in boat heritage.


Oh,
and I had some friends who died in the service, too, but it
wasn't for
what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam
and came
back in body bags.



Not as offensive as his Vietnam lies of course but equally sad are the
Krause "father" lies. He created a ficticous family history which
centered around his father the biggest OB dealer in the US nth east!!!
These lies are sad becasue who knows the real Mr Krasue way well have
actually served honourably in WW2, but of course our lying grub Krause
can't allow that becasue well.............. you've seen his ungrateful
views on all the things that allow him to sleep snug & safe.


During the war, he turned out experimental brass shell casings
for the
Army and hopped up outboards for the Navy, which wanted to use
them on
smaller
landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole
Evinrude
himself.
My mother knew one of Evinrude's wives...she was a minor movie
star or
singer...I forgot which. Maybe both.



Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under your
command? I have.


My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in
winter in
a 22'
boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the
fuel. Got a
"fireboat" welcome in NYC.




Here are some:

Hatteras 43' sportfish
Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop
Morgan 33
O'Day 30
Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22
Century Coronado
Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze.
Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering
Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes
Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17
footers with various
Evinrudes
Lighting class sailboat
Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat.
Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with
spit)
Alcort Sunfish
Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders.
Guaranteed 60
mph. In the late 1950's.
Skimmar brand skiff
Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a
bowrider)
Dyer Dhow
Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass
Penn Yan runabouts. Wood.
Old Town wood and canvas canoe
Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe



Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft.
Leonard Wood to
Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. About
halfway home it
started raining heavily, I turned on the wipers, and EVERY
SINGLE
electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there
was a large
popping sound and it all blew out at once. And the car caught
fire. I
pulled over to the side of the road, watched the fire,
removed my
license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old
MGA is still
there.

Sure was a pretty little car.


Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one
example of
my professional writings on building structure and the effects
on it of
hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any
of these
in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching,
photographing and writing these reports, they were quite
accurate,
topical and well-received by their intended audiences.


A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore
bait, tackle

and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These
boats were not
used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the
liners that
also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of
the hulls. A
guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to
him by
manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the
same reasons
-liner and then hull fractures.















Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he
even put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once
claiming it was his "young bride", he may have a wife, although
I doubt it, we don't like nor tolerate misogynists for long.

Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top
stories over the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend
he's the centre of attention, but as with his boat claims &
other crap, there's never once been even a shred of
independently verifiable material.

After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most
frightening, I do suspect he's very very dangerous & that this
"bride" story is his delusional appropriation of his, probably
court ordered, treating psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he
was under lock & key for what?? over a year??? a sexual deviant
maybe??), have a read of just a small part of his BS & make up
your own mind, it's all about free choice:-)


1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the
end of
"bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may.

2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am
entitled to
break them in exercise of my license.

3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands
lovingly
referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant.

4. She's 20 years younger than I am.



Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political"
consulting
jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and
defeat a
couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each
of the
races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area
think I
actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a
contract
that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride
also was
offered a job up here that represented a significant
professional career
move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the
rest of
it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax
(well,
really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last
summer
and my bride just returned from a business trip there.

I swear this is true.


Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego
Wednesday and
hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in
Salina,
Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of
Derby.

So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the
hell did
you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of
water...?"

Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you
don't own
a boat?
And why are you so crabby?
Maybe these two factors are related?



One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in
her car
every day, but she doesn't own it.

I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I
questioned your
wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and
suddenly you
turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it.

No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center
console with,
if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in
January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got
out to
the Gulf Stream.


Bride and I caught and released:

1 white marlin
12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty
fish.
Assorted red snappers
1 amberjack
2 jack crevalle jacks
1 snook
Nondescript sharks

Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state
hospital for forensic patients?
Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county
facility for
substance abusers?
Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed
facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which
approximately
half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol?
Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner
practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are
seeking help
for substance abuse problems?


Licensed psychotherapist
Screening as to character and background for each degree earned
On-going screening by faculty while in educational system
Interviews and screenings for required years of internships,
plus, at the same
time, supervision by a licensed professional.
Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed
therapist for two years
of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure
Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by
licensed
practitioners
Four hour written examination on state laws
Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and
practice

My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final
internship was as a
psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric
hospital where, on a
daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average
soldier.

My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida
600-bed state
mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated
numerous
sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves. Such
"treatment"
is part of being in the mental health professions.


You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an
hour,
until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners
overcome their
feelings of boatable inadequacy.


She is a licensed, practicing
psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she
sees each
day. Which can be taken any way one likes.


1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha
know? And much of
Freud is passe.

My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago.

They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to
round-up
Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take
their own
version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade.


1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office.

2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not
one of
mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did*
belong to an
after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her
most
mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were
court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every
call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my
wife had
the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone
number of
every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making
the call
tried to block his number.

Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal
people,
they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that
they are
planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the
threat is
real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and
perhaps the
police.

In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has
never
received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill
patient or
court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass
of this
newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she
received a
number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls.
These were
mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them
BECAUSE
(duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it.
Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works
closely
because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are
investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and*
authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia,
California and
Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have
been
able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of
course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages.
Several
suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the
outcome of
all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor
are
either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would
make
such calls.


The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious
calls came in
from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to
trace. The local
police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and
when it was
discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got
involved. At
least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I
can tell, he
has not posted here again

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Harry Krause wrote:

K. Smith wrote:
Indeed, I did see Peg at an Annapolis boat show, and passed by her
little booth several times. Each time she was busy with customers. The
last time, I was on my way out of the show. Peg is a very attractive
woman, which is something I notice.



Well, since MadCow kept her boat in a busy boater harbor area I
frequent, and she described both her marina and condo tower in great
detail, it didn't take much to see her on her boat once. Now *that* was
scary. And I certainly did save her posts. She's a litigious ass, and
you neve


and she described both her marina and condo tower in great
detail


Dolores published her name, address and telephone number on her USPS
chapter web page. It was there for quite a while, along with photos of
Dolores, her boat and her boat's numbers. She's also published the name
of her marina, the name of her apartment condo building, its location
and much more. She directed readers here to visit her USPS web page, so
I did.


I haven't looked at it for a long, long time, but I suspect it no longer
shows her address and phone number.



Oh...my dislike for Kow stemmed from her disclosure that she purchased a
boat with the proceeds from a settlement from a trumped-up sexual
harassment case.



Not so funny if he were to publish your real name on a newsgroup,
threaten to
shoot you on sight, claim he prowls the Baltimore harbor looking
for my boat,
and lives within a short driving or boating distance of where I
live. Not to
mention all the stories he's made up about me, including
accusations of fraud
to get government money.



Well, bb, would you consider the following to be 'stalking'?

**************************

Quotes from our hero -- Harry K.

************************************************** *************
You must have run out of high school babysitting jobs

I doubt he's read the classic comics versions of much of anything.

Apparently John has problems being a john. Go figure.

Well, John, since you have no idea or knowledge over the rather peculiar
news "gatherer" I use some days, your opinion is...worthless.

But since your entire world is binary, black or white, I suppose you are
blind to the grey.

That's what happens when you waste your life in the military.


Not after you've wasted your life in the Army.

Gee, John...did you just read about this in Army Times (mustered-out
edition)?

Does John actually teach? I know he's mentioned he subs in the
Alexandria school system, but my recollection is that he has posted that
he mainly babysits high school kids, and doesn't teach. Or was it that
he tries to teach some math classes if he is assigned one, but doesn't
try to teach if he is assigned to a non-math class.

I'm not sure anything about John passes the WGAS test.

Yeah. I'd toss John to the sharks. He seems to have fewer and fewer
redeeming qualities.

John, after all, is a retired military
puke, and the only people in the country who take military pukes
seriously are...other military pukes.

Simpleton.

You really have turned yourself into a lying asshole, John.

As for the rest of Herring's diatribe, he's just being his disingenuous
self. Although he's gotten nastier and nastier the last few weeks. I
think his real asshole personality is emerging, the same one I picked up
on at the marina.

John spent his career in the military and is used to more bull****.

John needs a tad of reprogramming.

It's hard to have respect for an organization that had you in it long
enough for a retirement.

Isn't that why you joined the military? Free health care, free college,
free prescriptions, subsidized housing...such a deal...was it good for you?

Indeed. Probably too complex for John, even though it is the simplest of
newsreaders to use.

John is absolutely clueless about what you are discussing or about the
b.s. factor in military PR.

Drinking heavily again, John?

Whooosh...right over your head, again, John. But, then, you have no
marketable skills, either...

Well, John, some of us have to be open-minded and bright, like me, and
others of us have to be close-minded and dull, like you.

I suppose we have to cut John Herring some slack...he did spend most of
his adult life in the military, where thinking is not encouraged.

Once again, John, you're not worth more than a one-liner as a response.
Go play with your good conduct medal. Did you also get one for attendance?

Naw. John prefers chickenhawk with his fries.

Which just proves what a sleaze you are, because if you did vote for
Sharpton, you voted in the Democratic primary, and since you are a
Republican, you cast your vote as a would-be spoiler.

Do you ever have anything other than simple-minded thoughts, John?

Stupid? You mean like the 12 or so posts you just vomited up here, John?


Only a low-life right-wing failure like you would think so, John

You probably haven't read either book, either, or many other books, not
for a long time, if ever.

John has limited skills. That's why he spent his adult life in the
military.

No wonder you are so ****y.

But Bush's failures matter not to Herring and other flat-line
Republicans like him. They'll vote for Bush not matter what, utter foolw
that they are.

Yeah, reich, er, right. What a surprise...John the Wingnut voting
Republican...again.

Searching contrainer ships is a lot different from carving away at the
Constitutional rights of citizens, but I wouldn't expect a d.f. like you
to appreciate the difference.

Coulter? Sheesh. You really are a bottom feeder.

Here you go, dicquehead:

John H. in person sort of looks like he is in the mid stages of AIDs.
Too thin, large splotches on his skin, hair falling out...

Did you get an attendance award, Herring?


John and his ilk are simple-minded konservatives, cannot think
abstractly, and see issues only in black or white terms. John is an
especially pathetic konservative, as he spent most of his adult life as
a federal employee sucking on the taxpayers' teat, and now works as a
teacher in the public school system, thus continuing his sucking on the
taxpayers' teat. You would think a konservative like John would disdain
a paycheck from the taxpayers. But that would require him to be able to
think in the abstract, and such thinking is not allowed those in the
military.

Au contraire...I believe teaching to be among the most honorable
professions, and always have. But you're not a teacher, John...you are a
babysitter.


More bull**** from you, John? I have the greatest respect for public
school teachers, who work long hours under difficult conditions for, at
best, ordinary pay and benefits. You're not a real teacher; you're a
substitute teacher who has admitted more than once that on many of your
assignments, you don't teach at all, or even try to teach. You do
nothing more than babysit. You obviously missed the irony in my post;
the insult was aimed at you, not the teaching profession. You are a
self-proclaimed conservative and yet, for your living most of your life,
you have drawn your pay from the taxpayers, and thumbed your nose at
your job responsibilities.

If I lived in your town and were a whining slimeball like you, I'd
complain about you in a way that matters. But I'm not pondscum like you
are, and I'd never ever try to cause anyone job problems because of
their newsgroup political statements or leanings.

You're just living (barely) proof of how low your end of the political
spectrum has sunk.




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Doug Meredith wrote:

wrote in message ...

Take enough courses and you still won't be able to get that boat of
yours out
of its slip, out of the Bay and into the Ocean. Make sure to wear
that cow
bell so everyone can hear you coming...and get out of the way.

Ever take a course Harry?


Ahh, I love these inadvertant setups.

Yes, Doug.

I took my *first* course, in piloting, with my then best friend, Steve, when
we were about 11-12 years old, by special dispensation of the US Power
Squadron in New Haven, Connecticut. The class was held in the evenings
in the
basement of one of the Sheffield scientific buildings, on Prospect
Street, if
I recall, on the campus of Yale University, across from Woolsey Hall. Our
parents dropped us off and picked us up; the classes were in the evenings.

We were at that time the two youngest enrollees in such a course in the
history of the USPS. We completed the course successfully. It was about 45
years ago, when piloting and navigation were done with hand instruments.

How did we get in at such an early age? Both of us had started yacht club
sailboat racing in dinghies at the age of 8, and by the time we were 11,
were
working individually and as a team, competing successfully in southern
Connecticut junior racing circuits. It also didn't hurt that my father was a
boat dealer and marina operator and also a by-then retired boat racer of
some
fame, and that Steve's dad was a well-known sailboater out of the Branford,
Connecticut, area.

Steve now sails out of the Maritime Provinces.

Aren't you glad you asked?

:} !!

Oh, and no matter how many courses MadCow takes, it won't help. She doesn't
have the aptitude.


--
Harry Krause
------------

Take a BIG bite out of crimearrest the Republican Congress



As for Ms. Klummmmmpppp, she outed herself. Madcow made a big deal of
her volunteer work as a "boat safety inspector," and her work for her
local power squadron, and even invited folks to look at her USPS home
page and see a few "knot animations" she said she did. Lo and behold,
there on her local USPS home page for the world to see were photos of
Dolores and her boat, and a chart listing the names, addresses, and
telephone numbers of the local chapter's USPS "safety inspectors."
Including the delightful Dumblores. Oh, she also told us the name of the
marina where she kept her Bayliner, and the fact that it was next door
to her apartment high-rise condo.

BTW, John, you were practically a neighbor of mine when I shared an
office in Alexandria. At least I think you were. How close are you to
"Rose Hill"?




With high hopes that it wouldn’t rain and that at least some of the
fresh water runoff “polluting” the Bay had itself runoff, as it were, we
headed out of the Patuxent River yesterday in search of a few fish with
whom to play. Knowing the importance of an early start, we all actually
got to the boat by 9:30 AM. Gotta take this feeeeshing seriously.

I was accompanied on the hunt for fish by Dave, Roger, and Steve, who,
in order to follow the example of this newsgroup’s most prolific poster
about fishing (if not its most prolific fisherman), I renamed
“Limp-Along Dave,” “Mad Dog Roger,” and “StinkyShorts Steve. Hearty
fellows all, although Mad Dog seemed just a bit too interested the
brands of beer everyone else had brought.

Well, it didn’t take long. As we passed the Naval Air Station, turned
south, and came upon the remnants of the old lighthouse, we saw birds
swooping and quickly determined the water was filled with small blues,
maybe two to three pounds. We started casting half ounce spoons and one
ounce plugs at them, and caught and released oh maybe a dozen before
they decided to move on.

Radar showed the birds really were active, in and over about 40 feet of
water, so we decided to head out a ways and troll down towards the mouth
of the Mighty Po-to-Mac, dragging a few weighted plugs, artificial
worms, and the carcass of one of the blues who give up his fishy spirit
upon encountering StinkyShorts.

We caught a total of five stripers, and released four of them.
“Limp-Along” decided to take his home for dinner. The fish were between
33" and 43" inches long. Most of the boats we saw were catching a few fish.

After lunch, we headed up the Bay towards the Gas Docks, once a great
place to anchor or tie up, and start a chum or drip line. Alas, the
docks are being used again to offload liquified gas, and you can’t use
the facility as structure. But the fish that used to hang out there have
moved out to meet the fishermen, or so it seems some days, but not
yesterday for us.

Well, after futzing around for awhile, we headed up the Patuxent on
bikini patrol It wasn’t that warm out, so the sightings were few.

The day was winding down. We headed in, scrubbed out the boat, and drove
to one of our favorite Solomons waterfront joints for buckets of
steamers and beers.

Not a bad day on the water.

- - -

Bush: Enough to Make You Puke


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It is a great show, and if you are planning to go, you'll have a good time.
VIP Day, which was today, was a good investment, because, while there were
crowds, they weren't too large, which translates into plenty of
opportunities to climb aboard all sorts of interesting boats.

I especially liked some of the traditional looking boats in the 20-35'
range, including a drake-tailed "picnic boat," a couple of Skagit Orcas,
which I really really really liked, a 50' Hatt (Hatteras apparently no
longer is making boats shorter than 50' and was directing buyers looking for
such boats to Tiaras), some of the triple-engined go-fasts, both outboard
and I/O (no, none were powered by Honda outboards), the Ted Hood
"Whisperjets," the picnic boat Billy Joel is behind and much much more.

Took a few nice photos, which, if Eisboch is interested in, I'll scan and
shoot up to him.

Even eyeballed Princess Peggie of Poop, womaning the Raritan Booth all by
her lonesome in, I believe, the "B" tent. She had a line of folks in front
of her, all wanting to discuss overboard discharge or suchlike, so I didn't
stop and introduce myself. Nice looking woman with laugh lines...dunno why
she is still a widow. Blondish, tall, slim...

Also eyeballed a couple of true bubble boats. Up close and personal. My
opinion of them is unchanged.

It really is one hell of a boat show.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:19:58 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote:



Quotes from our hero -- Harry K.

************************************************** *************
You must have run out of high school babysitting jobs

I doubt he's read the classic comics versions of much of anything.

Apparently John has problems being a john. Go figure.

Well, John, since you have no idea or knowledge over the rather peculiar
news "gatherer" I use some days, your opinion is...worthless.

But since your entire world is binary, black or white, I suppose you are
blind to the grey.

That's what happens when you waste your life in the military.


Not after you've wasted your life in the Army.

Gee, John...did you just read about this in Army Times (mustered-out
edition)?

Does John actually teach? I know he's mentioned he subs in the
Alexandria school system, but my recollection is that he has posted that
he mainly babysits high school kids, and doesn't teach. Or was it that
he tries to teach some math classes if he is assigned one, but doesn't
try to teach if he is assigned to a non-math class.

I'm not sure anything about John passes the WGAS test.

Yeah. I'd toss John to the sharks. He seems to have fewer and fewer
redeeming qualities.

John, after all, is a retired military
puke, and the only people in the country who take military pukes
seriously are...other military pukes.

Simpleton.

You really have turned yourself into a lying asshole, John.

As for the rest of Herring's diatribe, he's just being his disingenuous
self. Although he's gotten nastier and nastier the last few weeks. I
think his real asshole personality is emerging, the same one I picked up
on at the marina.

John spent his career in the military and is used to more bull****.

John needs a tad of reprogramming.

It's hard to have respect for an organization that had you in it long
enough for a retirement.

Isn't that why you joined the military? Free health care, free college,
free prescriptions, subsidized housing...such a deal...was it good for you?

Indeed. Probably too complex for John, even though it is the simplest of
newsreaders to use.

John is absolutely clueless about what you are discussing or about the
b.s. factor in military PR.

Drinking heavily again, John?

Whooosh...right over your head, again, John. But, then, you have no
marketable skills, either...

Well, John, some of us have to be open-minded and bright, like me, and
others of us have to be close-minded and dull, like you.

I suppose we have to cut John Herring some slack...he did spend most of
his adult life in the military, where thinking is not encouraged.

Once again, John, you're not worth more than a one-liner as a response.
Go play with your good conduct medal. Did you also get one for attendance?

Naw. John prefers chickenhawk with his fries.

Which just proves what a sleaze you are, because if you did vote for
Sharpton, you voted in the Democratic primary, and since you are a
Republican, you cast your vote as a would-be spoiler.

Do you ever have anything other than simple-minded thoughts, John?

Stupid? You mean like the 12 or so posts you just vomited up here, John?


Only a low-life right-wing failure like you would think so, John

You probably haven't read either book, either, or many other books, not
for a long time, if ever.

John has limited skills. That's why he spent his adult life in the
military.

No wonder you are so ****y.

But Bush's failures matter not to Herring and other flat-line
Republicans like him. They'll vote for Bush not matter what, utter foolw
that they are.

Yeah, reich, er, right. What a surprise...John the Wingnut voting
Republican...again.

Searching contrainer ships is a lot different from carving away at the
Constitutional rights of citizens, but I wouldn't expect a d.f. like you
to appreciate the difference.

Coulter? Sheesh. You really are a bottom feeder.

Here you go, dicquehead:

John H. in person sort of looks like he is in the mid stages of AIDs.
Too thin, large splotches on his skin, hair falling out...

Did you get an attendance award, Herring?


John and his ilk are simple-minded konservatives, cannot think
abstractly, and see issues only in black or white terms. John is an
especially pathetic konservative, as he spent most of his adult life as
a federal employee sucking on the taxpayers' teat, and now works as a
teacher in the public school system, thus continuing his sucking on the
taxpayers' teat. You would think a konservative like John would disdain
a paycheck from the taxpayers. But that would require him to be able to
think in the abstract, and such thinking is not allowed those in the
military.

Au contraire...I believe teaching to be among the most honorable
professions, and always have. But you're not a teacher, John...you are a
babysitter.


More bull**** from you, John? I have the greatest respect for public
school teachers, who work long hours under difficult conditions for, at
best, ordinary pay and benefits. You're not a real teacher; you're a
substitute teacher who has admitted more than once that on many of your
assignments, you don't teach at all, or even try to teach. You do
nothing more than babysit. You obviously missed the irony in my post;
the insult was aimed at you, not the teaching profession. You are a
self-proclaimed conservative and yet, for your living most of your life,
you have drawn your pay from the taxpayers, and thumbed your nose at
your job responsibilities.

If I lived in your town and were a whining slimeball like you, I'd
complain about you in a way that matters. But I'm not pondscum like you
are, and I'd never ever try to cause anyone job problems because of
their newsgroup political statements or leanings.

You're just living (barely) proof of how low your end of the political
spectrum has sunk.

Wow. Is that what being stalked is like? I hope he's stopped. He might give
folks the impression I'm not a nice guy!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

*JimH* wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

*JimH* wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...


Skipper wrote:


In my cyber life I own a fleet of boats; a fabulous 36' Zimmermanlike
lobster boat, a Parker cuddy, and an Old Town canoe. I've owned 36 other
boats including a new custom Hatteras with Corinthian leather upholstery
and a few Swans. I've sailed around the Horn several times and have salt
water flowing though my veins.

In real life I live in a trailer park and have pretty low self esteem.
The overall quality of my life is not very good as I spend most of my
time trolling cyber newsgroups. I do have an old Parker but use it
infrequently. My favorite boat is the 3.6" plastic lobster boat I play
with in the tub (at least I call it my lobster boat).

Who am I?

--
Skipper


Can't be the imitation Skipper..from Derby or whatever. I heard he was
evicted from his trailer park for causing property values to plumit.


So explain to me how someone can post as Skipper with their ISP showing
the same as the original Skipper had and the IP address also being the
same.

Also explain how the Skipper knows the particulars about certain NG
members here, some of which appear never to have been posted in this NG
as they were private exchanges.

Chuck Gould has Skippers phone number. Perhaps he can email it to you so
you can put this Imitation Skipper crap to bed once and for all.

I'll bet 'Krazy Karen' from Oz and others could list every slight Harry
has, or has been accused of, committing against the 'original Skipper'.
Posters in here have stated it can be done technically......
After all the foolishness in this newsgroup over the years, I assume
someone out there is capable of doing it.


Yet no one has explained how it can be done.

All it takes it a phone call to the real Skipper. Why are all you 'fake
skipper' accusers so unwilling to prove it with a simple phone call to him?



I'll leave that up to Chuck or Harry.
I wouldn't know if I was talking to Skipper, Santa Clause or Mother
Theresa....

Skipper wrote:
In my cyber life I own a fleet of boats; a fabulous 36' Zimmermanlike
lobster boat, a Parker cuddy, and an Old Town canoe. I've owned 36 other
boats including a new custom Hatteras with Corinthian leather upholstery
and a few Swans. I've sailed around the Horn several times and have salt
water flowing though my veins.

In real life I live in a trailer park and have pretty low self esteem.
The overall quality of my life is not very good as I spend most of my
time trolling cyber newsgroups. I do have an old Parker but use it
infrequently. My favorite boat is the 3.6" plastic lobster boat I play
with in the tub (at least I call it my lobster boat).

Who am I?

--
Skipper


Don't know, but could you be the guy who won the Soap Box Derby in
1963, when you were 14 years old? (maybe not, I think Dave M. is in his
early 60's now)....

http://www.infoplease.com/ipsa/A0115328.html


Could it be that the thrill of victory arrested any further emotional
development?

While that bit of pschological evidence may not be entirely conclusive,
it's univerally agreed that the suspect has never been far from a "soap
box" from that day until this. :-)