Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

The claim has been made by a poster on this ng who calls himself "steve" that
diesel engines as used on commercial fishing boats are often torn down for a
major overhaul after every trip to sea, about 700+ engine time.

Anyone here have experience with diesel engines in commercial fishing boats?
do those guys really trust their lives to engines that won't go even a thousand
hours? Anybody know why they do this?

Or is "steve" out to lunch?

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

In article ,
JAXAshby wrote:


The claim has been made by a poster on this ng who calls himself "steve" that
diesel engines as used on commercial fishing boats are often torn down for a
major overhaul after every trip to sea, about 700+ engine time.

Anyone here have experience with diesel engines in commercial fishing boats?
do those guys really trust their lives to engines that won't go even a thousand
hours? Anybody know why they do this?

Or is "steve" out to lunch?

A USCG boat in this area had to rip out and replace a Cummins turbodiesel
with just over 1500 hours. Warped head among other problems. They were
not amused with this "life", from what I was told - but they also did the
R&R themselves in a bit over 6 hours (!)

I think that pace would be considered "in earnest" :)

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Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 13 Jul 2004 00:56:19 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

The claim has been made by a poster on this ng who calls himself "steve" that
diesel engines as used on commercial fishing boats are often torn down for a
major overhaul after every trip to sea, about 700+ engine time.

Anyone here have experience with diesel engines in commercial fishing boats?
do those guys really trust their lives to engines that won't go even a thousand
hours? Anybody know why they do this?

Or is "steve" out to lunch?

Is this joxie the same person who claims that it's impossible to clean
the injectors of a diesel engine? Is this the same joxie who claims
that commercial fisherman go to sea for a month at a time on a single
engine without even checking it before they leave? Yup, that's our
idiot joxie.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"steve", I was just taking your words at face value. Am I the only person on
the planet who has done so in the last two decades?

tell us again that diesel engines as used in commercial fishing boats need to
be "torn down" for a major overhaul after every several hundred hours usage,
and how drunken, nervous crew "clean the fuel injector plugs" the night before
leaving just to be sure.

The claim has been made by a poster on this ng who calls himself "steve"
that
diesel engines as used on commercial fishing boats are often torn down for a
major overhaul after every trip to sea, about 700+ engine time.

Anyone here have experience with diesel engines in commercial fishing boats?

do those guys really trust their lives to engines that won't go even a
thousand
hours? Anybody know why they do this?

Or is "steve" out to lunch?

Is this joxie the same person who claims that it's impossible to clean
the injectors of a diesel engine? Is this the same joxie who claims
that commercial fisherman go to sea for a month at a time on a single
engine without even checking it before they leave? Yup, that's our
idiot joxie.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 13 Jul 2004 12:08:03 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", I was just taking your words at face value. Am I the only person on
the planet who has done so in the last two decades?

tell us again that diesel engines as used in commercial fishing boats need to
be "torn down" for a major overhaul after every several hundred hours usage,
and how drunken, nervous crew "clean the fuel injector plugs" the night before
leaving just to be sure.

See, you don't know how to read. I never said they need a major
overhauy every several hundred hours. I said they will often do a
teardown while in port between long extended voyages at sea. If you
think that's a wrong statement, you are an idiot. Just like if you
think it's it's impossible to clean fuel injectors, you are an idiot.

Joxie, you are too stupid for words.

Steve


The claim has been made by a poster on this ng who calls himself "steve"
that
diesel engines as used on commercial fishing boats are often torn down for a
major overhaul after every trip to sea, about 700+ engine time.

Anyone here have experience with diesel engines in commercial fishing boats?

do those guys really trust their lives to engines that won't go even a
thousand
hours? Anybody know why they do this?

Or is "steve" out to lunch?

Is this joxie the same person who claims that it's impossible to clean
the injectors of a diesel engine? Is this the same joxie who claims
that commercial fisherman go to sea for a month at a time on a single
engine without even checking it before they leave? Yup, that's our
idiot joxie.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

schlackoff, are you now saying that no one should take your words at face value
but everyone should believe you know what you are saying?

you be a dummy, shacky

"steve", I was just taking your words at face value. Am I the only person
on
the planet who has done so in the last two decades?

tell us again that diesel engines as used in commercial fishing boats need
to
be "torn down" for a major overhaul after every several hundred hours usage,
and how drunken, nervous crew "clean the fuel injector plugs" the night
before
leaving just to be sure.

See, you don't know how to read. I never said they need a major
overhauy every several hundred hours. I said they will often do a
teardown while in port between long extended voyages at sea. If you
think that's a wrong statement, you are an idiot. Just like if you
think it's it's impossible to clean fuel injectors, you are an idiot.

Joxie, you are too stupid for words.

Steve


The claim has been made by a poster on this ng who calls himself "steve"
that
diesel engines as used on commercial fishing boats are often torn down for
a
major overhaul after every trip to sea, about 700+ engine time.

Anyone here have experience with diesel engines in commercial fishing
boats?

do those guys really trust their lives to engines that won't go even a
thousand
hours? Anybody know why they do this?

Or is "steve" out to lunch?

Is this joxie the same person who claims that it's impossible to clean
the injectors of a diesel engine? Is this the same joxie who claims
that commercial fisherman go to sea for a month at a time on a single
engine without even checking it before they leave? Yup, that's our
idiot joxie.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
The claim has been made by a poster on this ng who calls himself "steve"
that
diesel engines as used on commercial fishing boats are often torn down for
a
major overhaul after every trip to sea, about 700+ engine time.

Anyone here have experience with diesel engines in commercial fishing
boats?
do those guys really trust their lives to engines that won't go even a
thousand
hours? Anybody know why they do this?

A rebuild is done when necessary (obviously). I have heard that a 2-stroke
Detroit will last around 2500 to 3000 hrs (according to a specific owner).
Now in this case the owner I was talking to eventually traded from a 6-71 to
a large bore Isuzu marine diesel which he swears had over 4000 hrs on the
clock. Disney world would do a rebuild on their launches (3-53 Detroit's)
every year but then in the late 80's switched to Perkins 4-128(?) because
they felt the service time was twice that of the Detroit's (4k-5khrs). Now
in reference to the poster he may have been talking to somebody that only
had one ship (with a single) and they could not afford to brake down and
loose a load. So the cost of a rebuild would be much less then the lost of
a catch. Most commercial companies collect an oil sample at each change and
monitor the material in the oil. Companies like Blackstone can tell you
more that you would ever want to know about your engine. They can specify
oil change intervals, leaking gaskets, bad injectors, warn cylinder sleeves
and so on. So it is reasonable but I suspect its not the norm...

mark

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
"steve", I was just taking your words at face value. Am I the only person
on
the planet who has done so in the last two decades?

tell us again that diesel engines as used in commercial fishing boats need
to
be "torn down" for a major overhaul after every several hundred hours
usage,
and how drunken, nervous crew "clean the fuel injector plugs" the night
before
leaving just to be sure.

The claim has been made by a poster on this ng who calls himself "steve"
that
diesel engines as used on commercial fishing boats are often torn down
for a
major overhaul after every trip to sea, about 700+ engine time.

Anyone here have experience with diesel engines in commercial fishing
boats?

do those guys really trust their lives to engines that won't go even a
thousand
hours? Anybody know why they do this?

For the environmentalists, Diesel fuel is easily biodegradable. If fact
without additives algae grows in the tank and lines. This algie and other
debris builds up in the tank and lines and and the fuel filters need to be
cleaned and the injectors need to be inspected and cleaned after extended
use. Also, when a boat is subject to heavy seas everything tends to hit the
filters. So when you need the engines the most your filters clog!

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:22:10 -0400, "rock_doctor"
wrote:

A rebuild is done when necessary (obviously). I have heard that a 2-stroke
Detroit will last around 2500 to 3000 hrs (according to a specific owner).

==========================================

The normal rebuild interval for a naturally aspirated (non-turbo)
Detroit 671 is in the range of 4,000 to 8,000 hours for an engine in
moderate service, that is well maintained, and has not experienced
cooling issues, etc.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"Every trip to sea" could mean a month for some fishermen. Regardless of how
many hours are put on the engine during each trip, I'd think it would be
foolish not to do major preventative maintenance. Ever been 200 miles from
land?

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
The claim has been made by a poster on this ng who calls himself "steve"
that
diesel engines as used on commercial fishing boats are often torn down for
a
major overhaul after every trip to sea, about 700+ engine time.

Anyone here have experience with diesel engines in commercial fishing
boats?
do those guys really trust their lives to engines that won't go even a
thousand
hours? Anybody know why they do this?

Or is "steve" out to lunch?

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before majorrepairs??
 

Having grown up in the industry, I can say I've seen many DD's, Cats but
not to many sCummins run with well over 15.000hrs without a major O/H.
Longliners routinely leave their main runnng while offshore, They
usually start setting gear at sunset till late at nite, since the gear
is drifting after the last bouy/beacon goes over the side they need to
stay with the set till sunrise when haulback commences.

Some not all Offshore draggers will shut down and bring the nets back
aboard in the evenings if the catch drops off.4-7 days is the usual
trip, unless they do processing as well.

Offshore Scalloper's never shut down, its a 24hr operation with the crew
working shifts, and even the cook helps out with the haulback, culling,
and shucking, Depending on the area (Atlantic) the trip limits are set
by the co-op's, Like New Bedford won't buy from a boat thats been to sea
more than 10 days, but go down to Hampton,Va and the trip limits are 21
days.
Thats the way it used to be anyway. UD



http://community.webtv.net/capuglyda...inUglyDansJack

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

mark, you defended well a poster whose handle is "steve". Unfortunately, you
assumed "steve" is rational. if you knew "steve" a bit more from his wild
claims of knowledge, you would snicker at him like the seventh grade kids do.

The claim has been made by a poster on this ng who calls himself "steve"
that
diesel engines as used on commercial fishing boats are often torn down for
a
major overhaul after every trip to sea, about 700+ engine time.

Anyone here have experience with diesel engines in commercial fishing
boats?
do those guys really trust their lives to engines that won't go even a
thousand
hours? Anybody know why they do this?

A rebuild is done when necessary (obviously). I have heard that a 2-stroke
Detroit will last around 2500 to 3000 hrs (according to a specific owner).
Now in this case the owner I was talking to eventually traded from a 6-71 to
a large bore Isuzu marine diesel which he swears had over 4000 hrs on the
clock. Disney world would do a rebuild on their launches (3-53 Detroit's)
every year but then in the late 80's switched to Perkins 4-128(?) because
they felt the service time was twice that of the Detroit's (4k-5khrs). Now
in reference to the poster he may have been talking to somebody that only
had one ship (with a single) and they could not afford to brake down and
loose a load. So the cost of a rebuild would be much less then the lost of
a catch. Most commercial companies collect an oil sample at each change and
monitor the material in the oil. Companies like Blackstone can tell you
more that you would ever want to know about your engine. They can specify
oil change intervals, leaking gaskets, bad injectors, warn cylinder sleeves
and so on. So it is reasonable but I suspect its not the norm...

mark

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

yet, wayne, you let pass the claim of the poster whose handle is "steve" when
he said commercial fishing boats have their engines "torn down" after nearly
every trip. 4,000 hours is nearly six months continuous running time, while
8,000 hours is over eleven months.

do you suppose "steve" didn't know what the term "tear down" means?

The normal rebuild interval for a naturally aspirated (non-turbo)
Detroit 671 is in the range of 4,000 to 8,000 hours for an engine in
moderate service, that is well maintained, and has not experienced
cooling issues, etc.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

so, jeff, you are the opinion that changing fuel filters is what is meant by
the term "tear down"?

btw, jeff, are you aware that commercial fishing boats have fuel manifolds that
make replacement of clogged fuel filters an on the fly event?

"steve", I was just taking your words at face value. Am I the only person
on
the planet who has done so in the last two decades?

tell us again that diesel engines as used in commercial fishing boats need
to
be "torn down" for a major overhaul after every several hundred hours
usage,
and how drunken, nervous crew "clean the fuel injector plugs" the night
before
leaving just to be sure.

The claim has been made by a poster on this ng who calls himself "steve"
that
diesel engines as used on commercial fishing boats are often torn down
for a
major overhaul after every trip to sea, about 700+ engine time.

Anyone here have experience with diesel engines in commercial fishing
boats?

do those guys really trust their lives to engines that won't go even a
thousand
hours? Anybody know why they do this?

For the environmentalists, Diesel fuel is easily biodegradable. If fact
without additives algae grows in the tank and lines. This algie and other
debris builds up in the tank and lines and and the fuel filters need to be
cleaned and the injectors need to be inspected and cleaned after extended
use. Also, when a boat is subject to heavy seas everything tends to hit the
filters. So when you need the engines the most your filters clog!

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"Every trip to sea" could mean a month

a month is 700 hours. *you* tear down a diesel engine after 700 hours usage?

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

I'd think it would be
foolish not to do major preventative maintenance.

does that include cleaning the plugs on a diesel engine?

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Ever been 200 miles from
land?

of course. still, though, not sure just how one might clean the plugs on a
diesel engine, as the poster who goes by the handle of "steve" claims.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major
 

thanks, dan, for the info.

now, we have the poster who calls himself "steve" claiming that commercial
fishing boats such as the Andrea Gail would "tear down" their engines after
nearly every trip of 4 to 7 days, about 100 to 170 hour engine usage.

Having grown up in the industry, I can say I've seen many DD's, Cats but
not to many sCummins run with well over 15.000hrs without a major O/H.
Longliners routinely leave their main runnng while offshore, They
usually start setting gear at sunset till late at nite, since the gear
is drifting after the last bouy/beacon goes over the side they need to
stay with the set till sunrise when haulback commences.

Some not all Offshore draggers will shut down and bring the nets back
aboard in the evenings if the catch drops off.4-7 days is the usual
trip, unless they do processing as well.

Offshore Scalloper's never shut down, its a 24hr operation with the crew
working shifts, and even the cook helps out with the haulback, culling,
and shucking, Depending on the area (Atlantic) the trip limits are set
by the co-op's, Like New Bedford won't buy from a boat thats been to sea
more than 10 days, but go down to Hampton,Va and the trip limits are 21
days.
Thats the way it used to be anyway. UD



http://community.webtv.net/capuglyda...inUglyDansJack

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

kass****er, go to any marine dealer and tell the guy behind the parts counter
you want "some plugs" for your "yacht" engine. tell him you want to be sure
the plugs have been "cleaned" and you won't let him try to slip unclean plugs
in on you. To impress him so he knows who you are, wear your fake Rolex, a rug
and a gaudy pinkie ring. Tell him how big your woman's tits are now that she
had them fixed again. Lay your gold Visa card on the counter to let the guy
know you are serious about those plugs. Make sure to tell the guy you a a
Kitten diesel engine or maybe a Jim Dear or a DDD 44's or a Ky-Boatah or a
DEEtroit 7-61 with mechanical turbo-charger. Tell him your woman likes it on
top the steering wheel while your yacht is cruising along at 90 knots per hour.

The claim has been made by a poster on this ng who calls himself "steve"
that
diesel engines as used on commercial fishing boats are often torn down for
a
major overhaul after every trip to sea, about 700+ engine time.

Anyone here have experience with diesel engines in commercial fishing
boats?
do those guys really trust their lives to engines that won't go even a
thousand
hours? Anybody know why they do this?

Or is "steve" out to lunch?

Is this joxie the same person who claims that it's impossible to clean
the injectors of a diesel engine? Is this the same joxie who claims
that commercial fisherman go to sea for a month at a time on a single
engine without even checking it before they leave? Yup, that's our
idiot joxie.

Steve

But it's a gas engine he was referring to, remember? A gas engine
would be the only type of engine that would have any type of "plug" in
the engine room!!!!

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 14 Jul 2004 02:11:21 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

mark, you defended well a poster whose handle is "steve". Unfortunately, you
assumed "steve" is rational. if you knew "steve" a bit more from his wild
claims of knowledge, you would snicker at him like the seventh grade kids do.

You wanna talk about wild claims of knowledge laughed at by seventh
grade kids, here are some of jox's claims:

By definition, the Earth's surface is planar.

An ICBM has no navigation system.

There's no outside reference when using DR to navigate.

It costs $15,000/year to make 10gals of water/day with a shipboard
watermaker.

You must use an isp to read a usenet newsgroup.

The human head can take about a 7 G blow before death becomes certain.

A rhumb line is a straight line on any chart, Mercator chart (sic) or
otherwise.

A rhumb is distance between two points one compass point apart.

Alternators are (for all practical purposes) capable of only producing
one voltage, no matter the rpm.

If you can see outside reference points, then you KNOW where you are...

There is no such thing as a north seeking gyro.

Yes Jox, you are a riot.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Steven Shelikoff wrote:
You must use an isp to read a usenet newsgroup.

Well, you have to have *some* sort of Internet connection, at least
intermittently. If you have an Internet connection, you're getting it from
some service provider. That provider may or may not be a commercial ISP,
but they are an ISP of some sort.

Shawn

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:42:53 -0600, Shawn Willden
wrote:

Steven Shelikoff wrote:
You must use an isp to read a usenet newsgroup.

Well, you have to have *some* sort of Internet connection, at least
intermittently. If you have an Internet connection, you're getting it from
some service provider. That provider may or may not be a commercial ISP,
but they are an ISP of some sort.

You're making the same mistake he made. No, you don't need an internet
connection of any type to read usenet newsgroups. You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Of course, when this was all pointed out to Jax and he just huffed and
denied it, as is his usual MO when someone points out a mistake of his,
when the much easier and saner thing to do is to just admit a mistake
and move on. No one's perfect... but Jox thinks he is even though he's
wrong in just about everything he says.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Shawn, "steve" is easily confused. he had no idea how the internet is
structured.

Steven Shelikoff wrote:
You must use an isp to read a usenet newsgroup.

Well, you have to have *some* sort of Internet connection, at least
intermittently. If you have an Internet connection, you're getting it from
some service provider. That provider may or may not be a commercial ISP,
but they are an ISP of some sort.

Shawn

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"steve", ARPANET is long since gone.

Steven Shelikoff wrote:
You must use an isp to read a usenet newsgroup.

Well, you have to have *some* sort of Internet connection, at least
intermittently. If you have an Internet connection, you're getting it from
some service provider. That provider may or may not be a commercial ISP,
but they are an ISP of some sort.

You're making the same mistake he made. No, you don't need an internet
connection of any type to read usenet newsgroups. You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Of course, when this was all pointed out to Jax and he just huffed and
denied it, as is his usual MO when someone points out a mistake of his,
when the much easier and saner thing to do is to just admit a mistake
and move on. No one's perfect... but Jox thinks he is even though he's
wrong in just about everything he says.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

no, base kisser, the statement was made that across the distance from NYC to
Phildelphia the surface of the Earth is less than a meter or so from planer and
therefore there is no need to calculate curvature to know the distance to sail
a boat. "steve" didn't understand that .

"steve" also doesn't understand the meaning of the word "ballistic", which has
too many sylables. nor does he understand what deduced reckoning is, but
thinks it means watching for lighthouses and nav marks.

no does "steve" have any rational clew what cost accounting is (nevermind it
has been a thoroughly understood business principal for more than forty years),
nor does he have anyremote clew that differences (there are many, many, many)
between a generator and an alternator.

no does he have an rational clew how a gyroscope works.

"steve" has not shown himself to be rational.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

If you can see outside reference points, then you KNOW where you are...

"steve", who is not known for rational thought, makes that claim that the above
statement is false, in essence saying that if you can see where you are you
still don't know where you are.

why "steve" says that is anybody's guess.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

go ahead, base kisser, ask him. It will be a new experience for you, going to
parts counter.

kass****er, go to any marine dealer and tell the guy behind the parts
counter
you want "some plugs" for your "yacht" engine. tell him you want to be
sure
the plugs have been "cleaned" and you won't let him try to slip unclean
plugs
in on you. To impress him so he knows who you are, wear your fake Rolex, a
rug
and a gaudy pinkie ring. Tell him how big your woman's tits are now that
she
had them fixed again. Lay your gold Visa card on the counter to let the
guy
know you are serious about those plugs. Make sure to tell the guy you a a
Kitten diesel engine or maybe a Jim Dear or a DDD 44's or a Ky-Boatah or a
DEEtroit 7-61 with mechanical turbo-charger. Tell him your woman likes it
on
top the steering wheel while your yacht is cruising along at 90 knots per
hour.

GAWD, you are stupid beyond comprehension!!! He'd simply ask what KIND
of plug I needed. Unlike you, he'd know that PLUG is a very generic
term when it comes to engines, whether diesel or gas. He'd simply prod
for more information. Unlike you, who heard the word "plug", and
automatically, and blindly, ignored any other type of plug, and went
for spark plugs.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

gene, you miserable yo-yo, what is the street? what is the lighthouse?

or, maybe gene --
licensed-by-the-US-Government-Mechanic-After-Only-20-Years-of-Practise that you
are -- you don't know what the word "reference" means?

either that or you are one miserably dumb specimin.

If you can see outside reference points, then you KNOW where you are...

"steve", who is not known for rational thought, makes that claim that the
above
statement is false, in essence saying that if you can see where you are you
still don't know where you are.

why "steve" says that is anybody's guess.

Let's try a practical application of this statement. Going on what I
can currently see; assuming that three points are necessary for
accurate triangulation, assuming the veracity of your statement:

"If you can see outside reference points, then you KNOW where you
are..."

and,

If you see a light house that has no marking and no light, and
If you see a major street leading directly away from you towards the
NW, and
If you see two range markers in line.

Where are you?
--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Shawn.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

gene, you obviously don't know what the word "reference" means. go look it up,
you lazy clod, and then come back and try to ask your dumb question again.

gene, you miserable yo-yo, what is the street? what is the lighthouse?

or, maybe gene --
licensed-by-the-US-Government-Mechanic-After-Only-20-Years-of-Practise that
you
are -- you don't know what the word "reference" means?

either that or you are one miserably dumb specimin.


Me? Me??? You are the one that made the idiotic statement, "If you
can see outside reference points, then you KNOW where you are..."

I only gave you a practical example of the idiocy of your own
statement... Do you finally see how stupid your statement is?

What is a "specimin" ?


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Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Shawn, you be confusin' "steve" wiffin facts, now.

Nice to have you aboard Shawn.

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Shawn.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:

"steve", ARPANET is long since gone.

That's arguably true, but irrelevant. ARPANET and UUCPNET were completely
different networks. ARPANET came long before UUCPNET but was significantly
more advanced. ARPANET was an inter-network from the very beginning, using
packet switching and automated routing, whereas UUCPNET was a
point-to-point network with multi-hop routing being done manually (with
bang paths). The underlying communications were different as well:
UUCPNET was primarily a loose collection of computers tied together with
dialup whereas ARPANET was on leased lines, from the very beginning.
Protocols were also different: ARPANET originally used NCP and then
switched to TCP/IP in the early 80s. UUCPNET used the UUCP protocol (it's
actually more accurate to say that the collection of computers using UUCP
was called UUCPNET). Eventually, UUCPNET merged into
ARPANET/NSFNet/Internet by transporting UUCP data streams in TCP, but that
was a fairly quick-n-dirty way to combine the networks, and UUCP was pretty
much phased out. It's still occasionally used for transferring files, by
people who don't care about security or performance.

Basically, UUCPNET was a poor solution (though one remembered with
fondness), and was quickly replaced by the TCP/IP-based ARPANET, which
eventually grew into what we now call the Internet. The morphing of
ARPANET into Internet was less a technological change and more of an
administration and funding change, so people can and do disagree about
whether or not ARPANET really is gone, or if it's just been renamed.

Shawn.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

In article ps.com,
rock_doctor wrote:



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
The claim has been made by a poster on this ng who calls himself "steve"
that
diesel engines as used on commercial fishing boats are often torn down for
a
major overhaul after every trip to sea, about 700+ engine time.

Anyone here have experience with diesel engines in commercial fishing
boats?
do those guys really trust their lives to engines that won't go even a
thousand
hours? Anybody know why they do this?

A rebuild is done when necessary (obviously). I have heard that a 2-stroke
Detroit will last around 2500 to 3000 hrs (according to a specific owner).

Depends on the Detroit.

2-cycle DDs that are naturally aspirated will often run well past 10,000
hours with nothing more than routine maintenance and perhaps an injector
change or two.

Turboed engines are another matter. The basic rule of thumb appears to be:

0.5hp/cid or less - 5,000+ hours (10k is not unreasonable)
0.7hp/cid - 5,000 hours is reasonable to expect.
0.8hp/cid - 2,500 hours is reasonable to expect.
0.9hp/cid - 1,500 hours is reasonable to expect.
1.0hp/cid+ - You have grenades with the pins out in your bilge.
Do not drop the spoon.

A 6-71 has 426cid, and a 6V92 has 552cid. Do the math.

I know of one guy who claims 2,500 hours on 625HP DDEC-II 6V92, and is
****ed off that he's smoking a lot at this point and is generally exhibiting
signs that the engines are worn out. My reply to him is that he's been damn
fortunate and that a lot of engines of that size at that rating don't make
1,000 hours before they go "bang".

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Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

In article ,
Steven Shelikoff wrote:


On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:42:53 -0600, Shawn Willden
wrote:

Steven Shelikoff wrote:
You must use an isp to read a usenet newsgroup.

Well, you have to have *some* sort of Internet connection, at least
intermittently. If you have an Internet connection, you're getting it from
some service provider. That provider may or may not be a commercial ISP,
but they are an ISP of some sort.

You're making the same mistake he made. No, you don't need an internet
connection of any type to read usenet newsgroups. You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Of course, when this was all pointed out to Jax and he just huffed and
denied it, as is his usual MO when someone points out a mistake of his,
when the much easier and saner thing to do is to just admit a mistake
and move on. No one's perfect... but Jox thinks he is even though he's
wrong in just about everything he says.

Steve

Heheheeh.

I find this amusing beyond words considering that at one time I moved the
majority (in terms of bytes/day) of the Usenet traffic through the greater
Chicago area, and had only Telebit Trailblazer modems to do it with :)

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Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

In article ,
Shawn Willden wrote:


Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Shawn.

Up until 1998 or so when I sold MCSNet we actually had UUCP newsfeed
customers. Most of them connected via IP, but UUCP provided a very nice
"spooling" system for them and got the job done.

It is still viable for those who do not have "full time" Internet
connections (e.g. dialup over modems or ISDN)

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Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Karl Denninger wrote:

Up until 1998 or so when I sold MCSNet we actually had UUCP newsfeed
customers. Most of them connected via IP, but UUCP provided a very nice
"spooling" system for them and got the job done.

Interesting. "Most of them connected via IP" implies that some did not.
Who'da thunkit?

It is still viable for those who do not have "full time" Internet
connections (e.g. dialup over modems or ISDN)

Makes me wonder if there are any newsfeeds still being transferred via raw
UUCP (i.e. not over IP). Someone's probably doing it just for
nostalgia :-)

Shawn.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 15 Jul 2004 12:48:10 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", ARPANET is long since gone.

Another non-sequitor and stupid statement by you. Usenet did not depend
on arpanet either. You could read and post to usenet newgroups without
an arpanet or what it has become (internet) connection, and still can.

Steve


Steven Shelikoff wrote:
You must use an isp to read a usenet newsgroup.

Well, you have to have *some* sort of Internet connection, at least
intermittently. If you have an Internet connection, you're getting it from
some service provider. That provider may or may not be a commercial ISP,
but they are an ISP of some sort.

You're making the same mistake he made. No, you don't need an internet
connection of any type to read usenet newsgroups. You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Of course, when this was all pointed out to Jax and he just huffed and
denied it, as is his usual MO when someone points out a mistake of his,
when the much easier and saner thing to do is to just admit a mistake
and move on. No one's perfect... but Jox thinks he is even though he's
wrong in just about everything he says.

Steve