Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"steve", it is *you* who claims diesels have plugs, not me.


ARPANET, dood, ARPANET. when DOD released the internet to the general
public,
looooooooooooooooooooong ago, DOD had in place its own, more secure,
replacement.

now, about those spark plugs you claim longliners have in their Perkins
4-108
main drive engines ...

Jox, rehab is your friend. Don't you know anyone who likes you enough
for an intervention? Probably not.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 18 Jul 2004 12:52:28 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve"? are you okay? need help? have you had short term memory problems
like this before? are your co-workers worried about you?

well, let's take it as if you really were out to lunch then. So, tell us --
once again -- just what kind of plugs might be found on the engine on a
longliner such as the Andrea Gail, plugs the drunken crew might be inclined to
clean in their anxiety?

Joxitchby is now telling us he's too stupid to follow a thread. I've
already given you multiple examples in several posts. See if you can
find them. And while you're at it, see if you can find where I said
what you claim I said below, that a 4-108 has spark plugs and is the
main drive engine for new england based longliner fishing boats. Prove
to us all that you're not as dumb as a doorknob and have at least the
minimum level of intelligence necessary to find a few usenet posts.

Steve


now, about those spark plugs on all those Perkins 4-108's you claim are
the
main drive engine for New England based longliner fishing boats ...

Ah, so you really are claiming you're an idiot. Thanks for the
clarification.

"steve", it was your claim, not mine. I know what a 4-108 is and how big a
longliner is.

Wrong. It was your claim, not mine. You just made it above. I never
did except in your drug induced halucination. If you think it was real
and not in your stuporous haze, you'd be able to find a reference where
I said it. But you cannot find a real one because I never did.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 18 Jul 2004 12:53:32 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", it is *you* who claims diesels have plugs, not me.

Correct, and they do. Several types of which have been pointed out to
you by several posters. If you think they don't, that's just one more
thing you're wrong about to add to the list. Just because, in one of
your halucinations, you added "spark" to plugs in what Junger wrote
doesn't mean the rest of the world is as dumb as you are.

Steve

ARPANET, dood, ARPANET. when DOD released the internet to the general
public,
looooooooooooooooooooong ago, DOD had in place its own, more secure,
replacement.

now, about those spark plugs you claim longliners have in their Perkins
4-108
main drive engines ...

Jox, rehab is your friend. Don't you know anyone who likes you enough
for an intervention? Probably not.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

I've
already given you multiple examples in several posts

"steve", only in the vague universe that is the spirally part of your sometimes
mind.

wanna tell us again just which diesel engines have plugs a drunken longliner
crew might clean the night before sailing because they are anxious?

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"steve", plugs are plugs, in the world of engines. anything else is everything
else, and is named such.

besides, there are no plugs of any kind on a diesel engine that might be
cleaned by a drunken longliner crew the night before sailing. none.

except, "steve", for the diesel engines in that vague universe in the spirally
part of your gauzy mind you inhabit so often.

give it up, "steve", there ain't no plugs on a diesel engine, as either term is
used by anyone having anything to do with engines.

"steve", it is *you* who claims diesels have plugs, not me.

Correct, and they do. Several types of which have been pointed out to
you by several posters. If you think they don't, that's just one more
thing you're wrong about to add to the list. Just because, in one of
your halucinations, you added "spark" to plugs in what Junger wrote
doesn't mean the rest of the world is as dumb as you are.

Steve

ARPANET, dood, ARPANET. when DOD released the internet to the general
public,
looooooooooooooooooooong ago, DOD had in place its own, more secure,
replacement.

now, about those spark plugs you claim longliners have in their Perkins
4-108
main drive engines ...

Jox, rehab is your friend. Don't you know anyone who likes you enough
for an intervention? Probably not.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:18:38 GMT, (Steven
Shelikoff) wrote:

Joxitchby is now telling us he's too stupid to follow a thread.

===============================

Jox lives for confrontation. Stop feeding him and he'll go away.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:
I've
already given you multiple examples in several posts


"steve", only in the vague universe that is the spirally part of your sometimes
mind.

That's the exact universe your so-called mind exists in. So you should
be able to find it. The fact that you can't means you're stupid even in
your own mind.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:

"steve", plugs are plugs, in the world of engines. anything else is everything
else, and is named such.

You say that after cofusing plugs with "spark" plugs. You're just as
confused as always. That 6.9 G blow to your head must be showing it's
effects. Of course, if it were a 7 G blow, you wouldn't have survived
(according to you.)

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Steven Shelikoff wrote:
JAXAshby wrote:

"steve", plugs are plugs, in the world of engines. anything else is
everything
else, and is named such.


You say that after cofusing plugs with "spark" plugs. You're just as
confused as always. That 6.9 G blow to your head must be showing it's
effects. Of course, if it were a 7 G blow, you wouldn't have survived
(according to you.)

Steve

You think he's confused here ..... you should see his confusion
regarding "DR".

otn

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:14:34 GMT, otnmbrd wrote:

Steven Shelikoff wrote:
JAXAshby wrote:

"steve", plugs are plugs, in the world of engines. anything else is
everything
else, and is named such.


You say that after cofusing plugs with "spark" plugs. You're just as
confused as always. That 6.9 G blow to your head must be showing it's
effects. Of course, if it were a 7 G blow, you wouldn't have survived
(according to you.)

You think he's confused here ..... you should see his confusion
regarding "DR".

Oh, I *know* he's confused there. It's just part of the general fog of
confusion in his head.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"steve", plugs are spark plugs in the world of engines. everything else is
something else.

"steve", plugs are plugs, in the world of engines. anything else is
everything
else, and is named such.

You say that after cofusing plugs with "spark" plugs. You're just as
confused as always. That 6.9 G blow to your head must be showing it's
effects. Of course, if it were a 7 G blow, you wouldn't have survived
(according to you.)

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

plugs are plugs. everything else is something else.

DR means deduced reckoning, except to those people who think "dead on" means
kinda about maybe possibly close by or maybe not.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:
"steve", plugs are spark plugs in the world of engines. everything else is
something else.

Ah, I see. So all plugs are spark plugs. Is that your final answer? lol

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:
plugs are plugs. everything else is something else.

DR means deduced reckoning, except to those people who think "dead on" means
kinda about maybe possibly close by or maybe not.


Wrong again and still confused I see.
DR means "dead reckoning" or maybe "deduced reckoning", or maybe "ded
reckoning".... and these meanings can be different.
For people such as yourself, brought up on needing positions within 1-2
feet, it's understandable that you would not accept anything less as
"dead on".

BTW, you should see all the "plugs" on the engines of this diesel tug I
work with, none of which has anything to do with creating a "spark".

otn

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

DR means deduced reckoning, except to those people who think "dead on" means
kinda about maybe possibly close by or maybe not.



I think somebody is taking a beginning nav course.

Two references:

From the Dictionary of Nautical Literacy, published by International Marine ( a
division of McGraw-Hill)

Dead reckoning: The process of determining the position of a vessel by tracking
course and speed for a given time.
From the phrase, "deduced reckoning", the plot is called a "DR".

According to this source, Jax is half right. The process is called "dead
reckoning", but the hypothetical plot it produces can be called a "deduced
reckoning."

Then there's another source that indicates neither side of the argument has an
absolute leg to stand on:

From "The Sailor's Illustrated Dictionary"

dead reckoning (DR): The determining of a position by course, speed, and time
elapsed, but without a fix. A DR position is shownon the chart with a half
cirlce and a dot and the time the vessel was calculated to be in the position.
With any other information included, such as wind and current, it is called an
estimated position.
The term "dead reckoning" comes from "deduced reckoning" or "ded. reckoning",
which later became "dead reckoning."

According to this source, the hypotheticaly correct term realy is ded.
reckoning, (short for deduced). Unlike an assertion that anybody who knew squat
about navigation would never say "dead reckoning", those who are exposed to the
practice on an actual basis, in the real world rather than by reading about
boating, have probably never heard the technique called anything
except "dead reckoning."

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

feel free to check with a mechanic if you wish.

"steve", plugs are spark plugs in the world of engines. everything else is
something else.

Ah, I see. So all plugs are spark plugs. Is that your final answer? lol

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

DR means "dead reckoning"

the word "dead" can not be used in the context of DR, except in ignorance.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"ded" is the correct term, "dead" is not.

This is a real issue, for those who think "dead" is correct will also state
that ded reckoning is "dead bang on center", as in completely accurate, which
is a physical impossibility.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:
"ded" is the correct term, "dead" is not.

This is a real issue, for those who think "dead" is correct will also state
that ded reckoning is "dead bang on center", as in completely accurate, which
is a physical impossibility.


As usual, you are misinformed.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

hoary, are you saying that "dead bang on center" means horribly inaccurate?

"ded" is the correct term, "dead" is not.

This is a real issue, for those who think "dead" is correct will also state
that ded reckoning is "dead bang on center", as in completely accurate,
which
is a physical impossibility.


As usual, you are misinformed.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

....and if you go to Bowditch, you'll find another possible set of
groupings for the term "DR".
As I told jax, he had a definition, but not the absolute definition.
Thanks for bringing those up.

otn

Gould 0738 wrote:
DR means deduced reckoning, except to those people who think "dead on" means
kinda about maybe possibly close by or maybe not.




I think somebody is taking a beginning nav course.

Two references:

From the Dictionary of Nautical Literacy, published by International Marine ( a
division of McGraw-Hill)

Dead reckoning: The process of determining the position of a vessel by tracking
course and speed for a given time.
From the phrase, "deduced reckoning", the plot is called a "DR".

According to this source, Jax is half right. The process is called "dead
reckoning", but the hypothetical plot it produces can be called a "deduced
reckoning."

Then there's another source that indicates neither side of the argument has an
absolute leg to stand on:

From "The Sailor's Illustrated Dictionary"

dead reckoning (DR): The determining of a position by course, speed, and time
elapsed, but without a fix. A DR position is shownon the chart with a half
cirlce and a dot and the time the vessel was calculated to be in the position.
With any other information included, such as wind and current, it is called an
estimated position.
The term "dead reckoning" comes from "deduced reckoning" or "ded. reckoning",
which later became "dead reckoning."

According to this source, the hypotheticaly correct term realy is ded.
reckoning, (short for deduced). Unlike an assertion that anybody who knew squat
about navigation would never say "dead reckoning", those who are exposed to the
practice on an actual basis, in the real world rather than by reading about
boating, have probably never heard the technique called anything
except "dead reckoning."

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:
DR means "dead reckoning"


the word "dead" can not be used in the context of DR, except in ignorance.

The expert speaketh.
Could you explain why? (and as per usual, I see you pulled the statement
out of context)

otn

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:
"ded" is the correct term, "dead" is not.

This is a real issue, for those who think "dead" is correct will also state
that ded reckoning is "dead bang on center", as in completely accurate, which
is a physical impossibility.


ROFLMAO

OK, jax .... we have you down to one word group for the discussion "ded
reckoning". NOW, give us YOUR definition of this word, so when the rest
of us with a bit more time navigating, will know the simplistic
methods/definition/words/process we must adhere to, should you start one
of your rambling discourses on the subject...... again .... in the future.

otn

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"ded" is the correct term, "dead" is not.



No entry in Lenfesty for "Ded Reckoning."

There is an entry for "Deduced Reckoning." It reads, "See Dead Reckoning."

No entry at all for "Ded" or "Deduced" in
Mckenna. Only for "Dead Reckoning".

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Gould 0738 wrote:
"ded" is the correct term, "dead" is not.




No entry in Lenfesty for "Ded Reckoning."

There is an entry for "Deduced Reckoning." It reads, "See Dead Reckoning."

No entry at all for "Ded" or "Deduced" in
Mckenna. Only for "Dead Reckoning".


Try Bowditch, you'll find some variations (at least in the older editions).
The point being that there are a number of definitions (if you will)
which tend to revolve around this term, and, as in many things
"maritime", many of them vary to some degree based on various national,
regional, vessel type (ship/navy/yacht), historical usage.
It is not as important that you have a specific definition for the term,
as it is that those discussing it, are aware there can be different
interpretations and that their discussion revolves around one particular
interpretation ...... something jax hasn't a clue, may be possible.

otn

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

wake up, over the knee. it has been explained repeatedly in the last few dozen
posts on this thread.

the word "dead" can not be used in the context of DR, except in ignorance.

The expert speaketh.
Could you explain why? (and as per usual, I see you pulled the statement
out of context)

otn

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

pay attention, over the knee, on the off chance you might someday, somewhere go
out on the water.

"ded" is the correct term, "dead" is not.

This is a real issue, for those who think "dead" is correct will also state
that ded reckoning is "dead bang on center", as in completely accurate,
which
is a physical impossibility.


ROFLMAO

OK, jax .... we have you down to one word group for the discussion "ded
reckoning". NOW, give us YOUR definition of this word, so when the rest
of us with a bit more time navigating, will know the simplistic
methods/definition/words/process we must adhere to, should you start one
of your rambling discourses on the subject...... again .... in the future.

otn

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

way to go, gould, you found a source that thinks wondering around in a fog with
just a compass and a speed indicator will somehow keep you off the rocks.

or dum-dum, it used phonetic spelling of an ancient word.

geesh. some people's kids.

"ded" is the correct term, "dead" is not.



No entry in Lenfesty for "Ded Reckoning."

There is an entry for "Deduced Reckoning." It reads, "See Dead Reckoning."

No entry at all for "Ded" or "Deduced" in
Mckenna. Only for "Dead Reckoning".

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet, it is physically impossible to know where you are on
the planet using just a compass and a speed indicator. that some people
believe otherwise just goes to show you that some people are utterly ignorant.
the rocks don't care what you believe. not in the slightest.

"ded" is the correct term, "dead" is not.




No entry in Lenfesty for "Ded Reckoning."

There is an entry for "Deduced Reckoning." It reads, "See Dead
Reckoning."

No entry at all for "Ded" or "Deduced" in
Mckenna. Only for "Dead Reckoning".


Try Bowditch, you'll find some variations (at least in the older editions).
The point being that there are a number of definitions (if you will)
which tend to revolve around this term, and, as in many things
"maritime", many of them vary to some degree based on various national,
regional, vessel type (ship/navy/yacht), historical usage.
It is not as important that you have a specific definition for the term,
as it is that those discussing it, are aware there can be different
interpretations and that their discussion revolves around one particular
interpretation ...... something jax hasn't a clue, may be possible.

otn

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

gene, a reference point is a known quantity. that is the very definition of
the word "reference". if you don't know where it is it isn't a reference
point. and if you have reference points you are not DRing.

geesh. no wonder this guy can't convert inch-pounds to foot-pounds.

gene, you obviously don't know what the word "reference" means. go look it
up, you a***ole lazy clod, and then come back and try to ask your dumb,
idiot
dumb squat question again.

gene, you obviously don't know what the word "reference" means. go look
it
up,
you lazy clod, and then come back and try to ask your dumb question again.


Have at it, genius, pick one....


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...=defmore&q=def
ine:reference

... but none of them satisfy your usage's requirements.


What is a "specimin" ?

Of course someone that can't spell "specimen" should be expected to
express themselves using the proper word, either. Therefore, your
ignorant and inaccurate postings are understood, though not
necessarily forgiven.

Please try harder....

Maybe you should look up the concept "URL".... which is what I
provided and linked to a multitude of definitions... none, apparently,
that you have erroneously created in your own mind....

Sorry, reality is a bitch..... now you can go back to the safety and
security of JaxWorld.....

--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:

way to go, gould, you found a source that thinks wondering around in a fog with
just a compass and a speed indicator will somehow keep you off the rocks.

or dum-dum, it used phonetic spelling of an ancient word.


You have no credentials in any facet of language, and are not in a
position to state on your own that "dead reckoning" a phonetic spelling
of "ded reckoning.

In fact, the "phonetic" spelling of "dead" is "ded." Further, several of
the sources cited here know (or knew) how to spell. And you're not among
the good spellers, either.

Nor, in fact, are you much of a sailor. Where the hell could you
possibly have sailed in that bitty daysailer boat of yours, in your
bitty Speedo swim trunks?

Find yourself another fresh boating troll, but this time, spend a bit of
time in research before you make a fool of yourself...again. And stay
away from word definitions...when it comes to language, you are at a loss.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

hoary contributed the following useful information

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

The only difference between Jax and Harry is Jax is a troll who is very
effective in starting long boating related threads. Harry is a troll who
is very effective in starting long Non-boating related threads.

Since this is rec.boats, Jax serves a purpose with this trolling posts,
Harry does not.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JAXAshby wrote:

way to go, gould, you found a source that thinks wondering around in a
fog with
just a compass and a speed indicator will somehow keep you off the
rocks.

or dum-dum, it used phonetic spelling of an ancient word.


You have no credentials in any facet of language, and are not in a
position to state on your own that "dead reckoning" a phonetic spelling
of "ded reckoning.

In fact, the "phonetic" spelling of "dead" is "ded." Further, several of
the sources cited here know (or knew) how to spell. And you're not among
the good spellers, either.

Nor, in fact, are you much of a sailor. Where the hell could you
possibly have sailed in that bitty daysailer boat of yours, in your
bitty Speedo swim trunks?

Find yourself another fresh boating troll, but this time, spend a bit of
time in research before you make a fool of yourself...again. And stay
away from word definitions...when it comes to language, you are at a loss.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

The only difference between Jax and Harry is

nah, I have about 50 points IQ on hoary, and I get laid.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:

The only difference between Jax and Harry is

nah, I have about 50 points IQ on hoary, and I get laid.

A. Doubtful.
B. Guys don't count.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Also Dutton's Navigation and Piloting , thirteenth edition. Index,
deduced reckoning..see dead reckoning.

Section 8 Dead Reckoning
Introduction 801 " Dead Reckoning (DR) is one of the four main
divisions of navigation.....The term is derived from deduced or ded.
reckoning, the process by which a ships position was deduced or
compared trigonometrically, in relation to a known point of
departure.....

DR Defined 802 " Dead Reckoning is the process of determining a ships
approximate position by applying to its last well-determined position
a vector or a series of consecutive vectors representing the run that
has since been made using only the true courses steered and the
distance run as determined by log, engine revolutions, or calculations
from speed measurements, without considering current....."








On 19 Jul 2004 02:14:13 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

"ded" is the correct term, "dead" is not.



No entry in Lenfesty for "Ded Reckoning."

There is an entry for "Deduced Reckoning." It reads, "See Dead Reckoning."

No entry at all for "Ded" or "Deduced" in
Mckenna. Only for "Dead Reckoning".

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

way to go, gould, you found a source that thinks wondering around in a fog
with
just a compass and a speed indicator will somehow keep you off the rocks.

I'll leave wandering around in a fog with just
a speedo to others, thanks.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"John Smith" wrote in message news:R1PKc.95897$WX.83950@attbi_s51...
The only difference between Jax and Harry is Jax is a troll who is very
effective in starting long boating related threads. Harry is a troll who
is very effective in starting long Non-boating related threads.


And you're just an idiot.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

basskisser wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message news:R1PKc.95897$WX.83950@attbi_s51...
The only difference between Jax and Harry is Jax is a troll who is very
effective in starting long boating related threads. Harry is a troll who
is very effective in starting long Non-boating related threads.


And you're just an idiot.


He's actually kinda a hydra-headed idiot at that, and appears here under
several different idiotic right-wing handles. Like most of the others,
he lives for notice from me. Poor little ****.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Nah, I could care less if you respond to any of my posts. I know you read
each one of them. I have also noticed you have not discussed your wife's
two degrees or your lobster boat since both of them were pointed out as
being a figment of your mind.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
basskisser wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message
news:R1PKc.95897$WX.83950@attbi_s51...
The only difference between Jax and Harry is Jax is a troll who is very
effective in starting long boating related threads. Harry is a troll
who
is very effective in starting long Non-boating related threads.


And you're just an idiot.


He's actually kinda a hydra-headed idiot at that, and appears here under
several different idiotic right-wing handles. Like most of the others,
he lives for notice from me. Poor little ****.