Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 07:58:50 -0600, Shawn Willden
wrote:

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Me. I still use UUCP to connect a newsserver on a linux box without
using an internet connection to a newsfeed that has one. The reason for
doing it that way is more political (that I really don't want to get
into) then technical. But there may be other reasons as well, like the
type of access you may have in remote locations, to not use an ISP.

But back to the original point, it is possible to read and post to
usenet newsgroups without using an ISP ... and Jox just bring himself to
admit that's true.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:59:06 -0600, Shawn Willden
wrote:

Karl Denninger wrote:

Up until 1998 or so when I sold MCSNet we actually had UUCP newsfeed
customers. Most of them connected via IP, but UUCP provided a very nice
"spooling" system for them and got the job done.

Interesting. "Most of them connected via IP" implies that some did not.
Who'da thunkit?

It is still viable for those who do not have "full time" Internet
connections (e.g. dialup over modems or ISDN)

Makes me wonder if there are any newsfeeds still being transferred via raw
UUCP (i.e. not over IP). Someone's probably doing it just for
nostalgia :-)

Yes, there are. And a lot more than just mine.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 15 Jul 2004 03:58:55 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

Wow, I should have paid more attention to Jax's ramblings, they ARE
quite humorous! Now, in context, did he REALLY say that the earth's
surface was planar? The rest I can put off to just not knowing, but
that one is just foolish!

Here's the original reference, which, ironically, was in another thread
back in 2001 where Jox was also confused over Junger's description in
"The Perfect Storm".

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...0mb-fz.aol.com

Excerpt:

In his book, "The Perfect Storm", Sabastian Junger makes note that the
(nervous) crew of doomed fishing vessel "cleaned the spark plugs" in the boat's
diesel engine before they set off. That single line instantly branded the
story as fiction and Junger as someone portraying himself as an expert he most
definitely was not. I understand that his portrayal of the thoughts of someone
near to drowning were also substantially at variance with reality. I
understand quite number of other variances exist in Junger's book as well.

I'm not sure Sabastian Junger is a mariner you'd want to go to sea with. I
know for an absolute fact that I wouldn't trust the navigational abilities of
anyone who claimed (nay, insisted) that vectors are "3 dimensional".

btw, if vectors are "3 dimensional", just how can they be used at a point on
the Earth's surface (which by definition is planer).

Spark plugs in a diesel = three dimensions for a vector. Tain't right, Marsha.
Tain't right.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 15 Jul 2004 13:02:02 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

no, base kisser, the statement was made that across the distance from NYC to
Phildelphia the surface of the Earth is less than a meter or so from planer and
therefore there is no need to calculate curvature to know the distance to sail
a boat. "steve" didn't understand that .

As usual, Jox is wrong. The statement was made in the discussion about
3d vectors, where Jox made the general statement:

btw, if vectors are "3 dimensional", just how can they be used at a
point on the Earth's surface (which by definition is planer).

Anyway you look at it, it's a stupid statement. A "point on the Earth's
surface" is a point, not planar. And the Earth's surface itself hasn't
been described as planar for a long time.

"steve" also doesn't understand the meaning of the word "ballistic", which has
too many sylables. nor does he understand what deduced reckoning is, but
thinks it means watching for lighthouses and nav marks.

According to Jox, a bullet does not travel a ballistic path because it's
guided by the barrel for the initial portion of it's flight. According
to Jox, an ICBM doesn't have a guidance system even though the rest of
the world knows that's not true. According to Jox, the earth's magnetic
field is not an outside reference that the compass reads when you're
doing ded reckoning. He's just full of stupidity.

no does "steve" have any rational clew what cost accounting is (nevermind it
has been a thoroughly understood business principal for more than forty years),
nor does he have anyremote clew that differences (there are many, many, many)
between a generator and an alternator.

And Jox still doesn't believe that the voltage produced by an alternator
isn't related to the rpm. He's easily confused because he may be
thinking of ones with a builtin regulator, which not all have.

no does he have an rational clew how a gyroscope works.

Ah, I see Jox still doesn't believe there's such a thing as a north
seeking gyro even after the principles of how it works were explained to
him and he was shown commercial examples of them. What a moron.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:49:49 GMT, (Steven Shelikoff)
wrote:

On 15 Jul 2004 13:02:02 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve" also doesn't understand the meaning of the word "ballistic", which has
too many sylables. nor does he understand what deduced reckoning is, but
thinks it means watching for lighthouses and nav marks.

According to Jox, a bullet does not travel a ballistic path because it's
guided by the barrel for the initial portion of it's flight. According
to Jox, an ICBM doesn't have a guidance system even though the rest of
the world knows that's not true.

I should have said that according to Jox, a bullet, after it leaves the
barrel, does not travel a ballistic path because it was guided down the
barrel. Just like an ICBM must not travel a ballistic path during the
final portion of it's flight because it was guided by it's guidance
system during it's initial portion of it's flight. He just doesn't
understand that an ICBM does, indeed have a navigation system. Inertial
and GPS are the usual ones.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

dude, I sold services for ARPANET back in the days when only universities and
defense contractor's cared.

JAXAshby wrote:

"steve", ARPANET is long since gone.

That's arguably true, but irrelevant. ARPANET and UUCPNET were completely
different networks. ARPANET came long before UUCPNET but was significantly
more advanced. ARPANET was an inter-network from the very beginning, using
packet switching and automated routing, whereas UUCPNET was a
point-to-point network with multi-hop routing being done manually (with
bang paths). The underlying communications were different as well:
UUCPNET was primarily a loose collection of computers tied together with
dialup whereas ARPANET was on leased lines, from the very beginning.
Protocols were also different: ARPANET originally used NCP and then
switched to TCP/IP in the early 80s. UUCPNET used the UUCP protocol (it's
actually more accurate to say that the collection of computers using UUCP
was called UUCPNET). Eventually, UUCPNET merged into
ARPANET/NSFNet/Internet by transporting UUCP data streams in TCP, but that
was a fairly quick-n-dirty way to combine the networks, and UUCP was pretty
much phased out. It's still occasionally used for transferring files, by
people who don't care about security or performance.

Basically, UUCPNET was a poor solution (though one remembered with
fondness), and was quickly replaced by the TCP/IP-based ARPANET, which
eventually grew into what we now call the Internet. The morphing of
ARPANET into Internet was less a technological change and more of an
administration and funding change, so people can and do disagree about
whether or not ARPANET really is gone, or if it's just been renamed.

Shawn.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Karl, there you go being rational and what all. You are going to confuse those
what think that "naturally aspired" 2-stroke diesels don't have a supercharger
installed.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

guys, "IP" ------------- means --------------Internet Protocol and has not a
thing with how the beast was connected.


customers. Most of them connected via IP, but UUCP provided a very nice
"spooling" system for them and got the job done.

Interesting. "Most of them connected via IP" implies that some did not.
Who'da thunkit?

It is still viable for those who do not have "full time" Internet
connections (e.g. dialup over modems or ISDN)

Makes me wonder if there are any newsfeeds still being transferred via raw
UUCP (i.e. not over IP). Someone's probably doing it just for
nostalgia :-)

Shawn.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

not one of you clowns knows what IP, or what intenet connection, or data
communication means. go to MacDonalds and have an Egg McMuffin and tell each
what telecom geniuses you are.

From: (Steven Shelikoff)
Date: 7/15/2004 7:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:59:06 -0600, Shawn Willden
wrote:

Karl Denninger wrote:

Up until 1998 or so when I sold MCSNet we actually had UUCP newsfeed
customers. Most of them connected via IP, but UUCP provided a very nice
"spooling" system for them and got the job done.

Interesting. "Most of them connected via IP" implies that some did not.
Who'da thunkit?

It is still viable for those who do not have "full time" Internet
connections (e.g. dialup over modems or ISDN)

Makes me wonder if there are any newsfeeds still being transferred via raw
UUCP (i.e. not over IP). Someone's probably doing it just for
nostalgia :-)

Yes, there are. And a lot more than just mine.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

gene, you obviously don't know what the word "reference" means. go look it
up,
you lazy clod, and then come back and try to ask your dumb question again.


Have at it, genius, pick one....


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...=defmore&q=def
ine:reference

... but none of them satisfy your usage's requirements.


What is a "specimin" ?

Of course someone that can't spell "specimen" should be expected to
express themselves using the proper word, either. Therefore, your
ignorant and inaccurate postings are understood, though not
necessarily forgiven.

Please try harder....
--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

gene, you obviously don't know what the word "reference" means. go look it
up, you a***ole lazy clod, and then come back and try to ask your dumb, idiot
dumb squat question again.

gene, you obviously don't know what the word "reference" means. go look it
up,
you lazy clod, and then come back and try to ask your dumb question again.


Have at it, genius, pick one....


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...=defmore&q=def
ine:reference

... but none of them satisfy your usage's requirements.


What is a "specimin" ?

Of course someone that can't spell "specimen" should be expected to
express themselves using the proper word, either. Therefore, your
ignorant and inaccurate postings are understood, though not
necessarily forgiven.

Please try harder....
--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"steve", you have been over served. go sleep it off.

"steve", ARPANET is long since gone.

Another non-sequitor and stupid statement by you. Usenet did not depend
on arpanet either. You could read and post to usenet newgroups without
an arpanet or what it has become (internet) connection, and still can.

Steve


Steven Shelikoff wrote:
You must use an isp to read a usenet newsgroup.

Well, you have to have *some* sort of Internet connection, at least
intermittently. If you have an Internet connection, you're getting it
from
some service provider. That provider may or may not be a commercial ISP,
but they are an ISP of some sort.

You're making the same mistake he made. No, you don't need an internet
connection of any type to read usenet newsgroups. You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Of course, when this was all pointed out to Jax and he just huffed and
denied it, as is his usual MO when someone points out a mistake of his,
when the much easier and saner thing to do is to just admit a mistake
and move on. No one's perfect... but Jox thinks he is even though he's
wrong in just about everything he says.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"steve", you have been over served. go sleep it off yet again.

From: (Steven Shelikoff)
Date: 7/15/2004 7:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 15 Jul 2004 13:02:02 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

no, base kisser, the statement was made that across the distance from NYC to
Phildelphia the surface of the Earth is less than a meter or so from planer
and
therefore there is no need to calculate curvature to know the distance to
sail
a boat. "steve" didn't understand that .

As usual, Jox is wrong. The statement was made in the discussion about
3d vectors, where Jox made the general statement:

btw, if vectors are "3 dimensional", just how can they be used at a
point on the Earth's surface (which by definition is planer).

Anyway you look at it, it's a stupid statement. A "point on the Earth's
surface" is a point, not planar. And the Earth's surface itself hasn't
been described as planar for a long time.

"steve" also doesn't understand the meaning of the word "ballistic", which
has
too many sylables. nor does he understand what deduced reckoning is, but
thinks it means watching for lighthouses and nav marks.

According to Jox, a bullet does not travel a ballistic path because it's
guided by the barrel for the initial portion of it's flight. According
to Jox, an ICBM doesn't have a guidance system even though the rest of
the world knows that's not true. According to Jox, the earth's magnetic
field is not an outside reference that the compass reads when you're
doing ded reckoning. He's just full of stupidity.

no does "steve" have any rational clew what cost accounting is (nevermind it
has been a thoroughly understood business principal for more than forty
years),
nor does he have anyremote clew that differences (there are many, many,
many)
between a generator and an alternator.

And Jox still doesn't believe that the voltage produced by an alternator
isn't related to the rpm. He's easily confused because he may be
thinking of ones with a builtin regulator, which not all have.

no does he have an rational clew how a gyroscope works.

Ah, I see Jox still doesn't believe there's such a thing as a north
seeking gyro even after the principles of how it works were explained to
him and he was shown commercial examples of them. What a moron.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"steve", obviously English is not you first or second or third or fouth
language. go sleep it off for a few days.


(Steven Shelikoff)
wrote:

On 15 Jul 2004 13:02:02 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve" also doesn't understand the meaning of the word "ballistic", which
has
too many sylables. nor does he understand what deduced reckoning is, but
thinks it means watching for lighthouses and nav marks.

According to Jox, a bullet does not travel a ballistic path because it's
guided by the barrel for the initial portion of it's flight. According
to Jox, an ICBM doesn't have a guidance system even though the rest of
the world knows that's not true.

I should have said that according to Jox, a bullet, after it leaves the
barrel, does not travel a ballistic path because it was guided down the
barrel. Just like an ICBM must not travel a ballistic path during the
final portion of it's flight because it was guided by it's guidance
system during it's initial portion of it's flight. He just doesn't
understand that an ICBM does, indeed have a navigation system. Inertial
and GPS are the usual ones.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"steve", you are speaking in1986 lingo. Come into the 21st Century. ARPANET is
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooong since
gone.

There is a reason for that.

btw, "steve" to get ARPANET connection you were authorized access by a
university research dept or by the Dept of Defense????????????

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Me. I still use UUCP to connect a newsserver on a linux box without
using an internet connection to a newsfeed that has one. The reason for
doing it that way is more political (that I really don't want to get
into) then technical. But there may be other reasons as well, like the
type of access you may have in remote locations, to not use an ISP.

But back to the original point, it is possible to read and post to
usenet newsgroups without using an ISP ... and Jox just bring himself to
admit that's true.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

Me. I still use UUCP to connect a newsserver on a linux box without
using an internet connection to a newsfeed that has one. The reason for
doing it that way is more political (that I really don't want to get
into) then technical.

If I had to, I'd guess the political arguments are based on security
arguments. I've done weird crap to work around overactive (and usually
misguided and counterproductive) security policies, and this sounds like
just the sort of thing that would enable you to say "Nope, no IP connection
here."

Shawn.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:

not one of you clowns knows what IP, or what intenet connection, or data
communication means.

LOL. How many IP stacks have *you* written?

I'll readily admit that I've only written one, and it was a half-baked one
at that, but I do know an IP header from a hole in the ground.

Shawn.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:

dude, I sold services for ARPANET back in the days when only universities
and defense contractor's cared.

Then how could you possibly confuse UUCPNET with ARPANET?

Shawn.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

that stuff was obsolete back when Bernie Ebbers still thought LDDS was
something to crow about.

Done any work in Baudot recently?

dude, I sold services for ARPANET back in the days when only universities
and defense contractor's cared.

Then how could you possibly confuse UUCPNET with ARPANET?

Shawn.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 16 Jul 2004 04:02:05 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

guys, "IP" ------------- means --------------Internet Protocol and has not a
thing with how the beast was connected.

Maybe you're finally getting it. USENET over UUCP is NOT Internet
Protocol.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:56:31 -0600, Shawn Willden
wrote:

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

Me. I still use UUCP to connect a newsserver on a linux box without
using an internet connection to a newsfeed that has one. The reason for
doing it that way is more political (that I really don't want to get
into) then technical.

If I had to, I'd guess the political arguments are based on security
arguments. I've done weird crap to work around overactive (and usually
misguided and counterproductive) security policies, and this sounds like
just the sort of thing that would enable you to say "Nope, no IP connection
here."

Exactly.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 16 Jul 2004 04:18:12 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", you are speaking in1986 lingo. Come into the 21st Century. ARPANET is
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooong since
gone.

No it's not. It's still around, just under a different name. You think
the DOD puts everything on the public Internet?

There is a reason for that.

lol, I'd love to hear your reason why the arpanet is long gone.

btw, "steve" to get ARPANET connection you were authorized access by a
university research dept or by the Dept of Defense????????????

Both. But then again, this whole arpanet tangent is a red herring on
your part since it has absolutely nothing to do with usenet except that
it was a carrier for part of the usenet traffic. usenet used several
different carriers and is not an Internet Protocol.

Steve

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Me. I still use UUCP to connect a newsserver on a linux box without
using an internet connection to a newsfeed that has one. The reason for
doing it that way is more political (that I really don't want to get
into) then technical. But there may be other reasons as well, like the
type of access you may have in remote locations, to not use an ISP.

But back to the original point, it is possible to read and post to
usenet newsgroups without using an ISP ... and Jox just bring himself to
admit that's true.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 16 Jul 2004 04:10:02 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", you have been over served. go sleep it off.

Joxitchby's way of saying he knows he's an idiot.

Steve



"steve", ARPANET is long since gone.

Another non-sequitor and stupid statement by you. Usenet did not depend
on arpanet either. You could read and post to usenet newgroups without
an arpanet or what it has become (internet) connection, and still can.

Steve


Steven Shelikoff wrote:
You must use an isp to read a usenet newsgroup.

Well, you have to have *some* sort of Internet connection, at least
intermittently. If you have an Internet connection, you're getting it
from
some service provider. That provider may or may not be a commercial ISP,
but they are an ISP of some sort.

You're making the same mistake he made. No, you don't need an internet
connection of any type to read usenet newsgroups. You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Of course, when this was all pointed out to Jax and he just huffed and
denied it, as is his usual MO when someone points out a mistake of his,
when the much easier and saner thing to do is to just admit a mistake
and move on. No one's perfect... but Jox thinks he is even though he's
wrong in just about everything he says.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"steve", your knowledge base in telecom is 15 to 20 year obsolete. you had
better spruce up your skill set if you intend to stay employed. of course, if
your intention is to retire on unemployment benefits ...


From: (Steven Shelikoff)
Date: 7/16/2004 8:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 16 Jul 2004 04:18:12 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", you are speaking in1986 lingo. Come into the 21st Century. ARPANET
is
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooong since
gone.

No it's not. It's still around, just under a different name. You think
the DOD puts everything on the public Internet?

There is a reason for that.

lol, I'd love to hear your reason why the arpanet is long gone.

btw, "steve" to get ARPANET connection you were authorized access by a
university research dept or by the Dept of Defense????????????

Both. But then again, this whole arpanet tangent is a red herring on
your part since it has absolutely nothing to do with usenet except that
it was a carrier for part of the usenet traffic. usenet used several
different carriers and is not an Internet Protocol.

Steve

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Me. I still use UUCP to connect a newsserver on a linux box without
using an internet connection to a newsfeed that has one. The reason for
doing it that way is more political (that I really don't want to get
into) then technical. But there may be other reasons as well, like the
type of access you may have in remote locations, to not use an ISP.

But back to the original point, it is possible to read and post to
usenet newsgroups without using an ISP ... and Jox just bring himself to
admit that's true.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

USENET over UUCP

UUCP is long since dead in the commercial world. Not as long dead as KSR 33's,
but close.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 16 Jul 2004 13:31:05 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

USENET over UUCP

UUCP is long since dead in the commercial world. Not as long dead as KSR 33's,
but close.

Which in no way means you must use an ISP to read a usenet newsgroup,
like you claimed. Of course, vinyl records are long dead in the
commercial world. That doesn't mean you can't play records, or even buy
new ones in select outlets. Same thing with UUCP, only it's even more
available. It's still included in just about every unix and unix-like
OS release.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 16 Jul 2004 13:28:25 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", your knowledge base in telecom is 15 to 20 year obsolete. you had
better spruce up your skill set if you intend to stay employed. of course, if
your intention is to retire on unemployment benefits ...

Jox, you prove every time you post that your knowledge base in
everything is nonexistant.

Steve


From: (Steven Shelikoff)
Date: 7/16/2004 8:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 16 Jul 2004 04:18:12 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", you are speaking in1986 lingo. Come into the 21st Century. ARPANET
is
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooong since
gone.

No it's not. It's still around, just under a different name. You think
the DOD puts everything on the public Internet?

There is a reason for that.

lol, I'd love to hear your reason why the arpanet is long gone.

btw, "steve" to get ARPANET connection you were authorized access by a
university research dept or by the Dept of Defense????????????

Both. But then again, this whole arpanet tangent is a red herring on
your part since it has absolutely nothing to do with usenet except that
it was a carrier for part of the usenet traffic. usenet used several
different carriers and is not an Internet Protocol.

Steve

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Me. I still use UUCP to connect a newsserver on a linux box without
using an internet connection to a newsfeed that has one. The reason for
doing it that way is more political (that I really don't want to get
into) then technical. But there may be other reasons as well, like the
type of access you may have in remote locations, to not use an ISP.

But back to the original point, it is possible to read and post to
usenet newsgroups without using an ISP ... and Jox just bring himself to
admit that's true.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

It's still included in just about every unix and unix-like
OS release.

so is TTY, and if you work at it, Baudot

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"steve", your knowledge base in telecom is *almost* as bad as your knowledge
base in boats. Your knowledge base, however, in things engine is less than
zero.

I do hope you have left the telecom industry twenty years back, for if not you
are totally unemployable today, except in some grandfathered gov job.

"steve", your knowledge base in telecom is 15 to 20 year obsolete. you had
better spruce up your skill set if you intend to stay employed. of course,
if
your intention is to retire on unemployment benefits ...

Jox, you prove every time you post that your knowledge base in
everything is nonexistant.

Steve


From: (Steven Shelikoff)
Date: 7/16/2004 8:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 16 Jul 2004 04:18:12 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", you are speaking in1986 lingo. Come into the 21st Century.
ARPANET
is
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooong
since
gone.

No it's not. It's still around, just under a different name. You think
the DOD puts everything on the public Internet?

There is a reason for that.

lol, I'd love to hear your reason why the arpanet is long gone.

btw, "steve" to get ARPANET connection you were authorized access by a
university research dept or by the Dept of Defense????????????

Both. But then again, this whole arpanet tangent is a red herring on
your part since it has absolutely nothing to do with usenet except that
it was a carrier for part of the usenet traffic. usenet used several
different carriers and is not an Internet Protocol.

Steve

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

You can get a
newsfeed without an ISP. The usenet has been around much longer than
the commercial internet as we know it today and for the most part used
UUCP to transfer messages. And you can still use that method without
having any internet access at all.

Oh, I used UUCP for mail and USENET 15+ years ago, but I thought it was
deader'n a doornail by the late 90s. It's certainly technically
possible
to move a newsfeed via UUCP, but I have to wonder if you could actually
find anyone who would do it!

Me. I still use UUCP to connect a newsserver on a linux box without
using an internet connection to a newsfeed that has one. The reason for
doing it that way is more political (that I really don't want to get
into) then technical. But there may be other reasons as well, like the
type of access you may have in remote locations, to not use an ISP.

But back to the original point, it is possible to read and post to
usenet newsgroups without using an ISP ... and Jox just bring himself to
admit that's true.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 16 Jul 2004 14:13:17 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", your knowledge base in telecom is *almost* as bad as your knowledge
base in boats. Your knowledge base, however, in things engine is less than
zero.

I do hope you have left the telecom industry twenty years back, for if not you
are totally unemployable today, except in some grandfathered gov job.

You're the one who doesn't even know that the DoD has their own router
based network separate from the internet for stuff they don't want you
to be able to see. Probably because it's too new for you... it only
started up around 10 years ago.

I'll give you a hint: just google up SIPRNET and learn something for a
change.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 16 Jul 2004 14:09:23 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

It's still included in just about every unix and unix-like
OS release.

so is TTY, and if you work at it, Baudot

Speaking of which, vt100 rs-232 type terminals are still in very common
use as the consoles of all kinds of systems. Just because *you* don't
see them on PC's doesn't mean there aren't tons of them out there in use
everyday.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

dood, that happened looooooooooooooooong ago, and in fact a **direct** result
of that is the Internet as we know it today.

sorta like spark plugs you find on those Perkins 4-108's you say are common as
drive engines on longliner fishing boats in New England.

of course, if you wish to continue to use Baudot coding, have at it.

From: (Steven Shelikoff)
Date: 7/16/2004 5:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 16 Jul 2004 14:13:17 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

"steve", your knowledge base in telecom is *almost* as bad as your knowledge
base in boats. Your knowledge base, however, in things engine is less than
zero.

I do hope you have left the telecom industry twenty years back, for if not
you
are totally unemployable today, except in some grandfathered gov job.

You're the one who doesn't even know that the DoD has their own router
based network separate from the internet for stuff they don't want you
to be able to see. Probably because it's too new for you... it only
started up around 10 years ago.

I'll give you a hint: just google up SIPRNET and learn something for a
change.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

and yet today, there is a company which selling a couple hundred buggy whips
each year. Not much of match as to the revenues of one or two oil companies,
but what the hell. you really can drive a buggy if you wish.

now, about those spark plugs on all those Perkins 4-108's you claim are the
main drive engine for New England based longliner fishing boats ...

From: (Steven Shelikoff)
Date: 7/16/2004 5:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 16 Jul 2004 14:09:23 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

It's still included in just about every unix and unix-like
OS release.

so is TTY, and if you work at it, Baudot

Speaking of which, vt100 rs-232 type terminals are still in very common
use as the consoles of all kinds of systems. Just because *you* don't
see them on PC's doesn't mean there aren't tons of them out there in use
everyday.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 17 Jul 2004 03:08:09 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

and yet today, there is a company which selling a couple hundred buggy whips
each year. Not much of match as to the revenues of one or two oil companies,
but what the hell. you really can drive a buggy if you wish.

And yet you claim you *must* drive a car if you want to get anywhere,
just like you *must* use an ISP if you want to read usenet newsgroups.

now, about those spark plugs on all those Perkins 4-108's you claim are the
main drive engine for New England based longliner fishing boats ...

Ah, so you really are claiming you're an idiot. Thanks for the
clarification.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 17 Jul 2004 03:05:21 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

dood, that happened looooooooooooooooong ago, and in fact a **direct** result
of that is the Internet as we know it today.

See, so you really have no idea what you're talking about. SIPRNET just
started in 1994, well after the internet went commercial. And it's
still growing today.

sorta like spark plugs you find on those Perkins 4-108's you say are common as
drive engines on longliner fishing boats in New England.

Lol. You're halucinating again. Did you dream that up in your stupor
last night? Time for you to go back to rehab. The last try didn't
take.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

now, about those spark plugs on all those Perkins 4-108's you claim are the
main drive engine for New England based longliner fishing boats ...

Ah, so you really are claiming you're an idiot. Thanks for the
clarification.

"steve", it was your claim, not mine. I know what a 4-108 is and how big a
longliner is.


Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

ARPANET, dood, ARPANET. when DOD released the internet to the general public,
looooooooooooooooooooong ago, DOD had in place its own, more secure,
replacement.

now, about those spark plugs you claim longliners have in their Perkins 4-108
main drive engines ...

dood, that happened looooooooooooooooong ago, and in fact a **direct**
result
of that is the Internet as we know it today.

See, so you really have no idea what you're talking about. SIPRNET just
started in 1994, well after the internet went commercial. And it's
still growing today.

sorta like spark plugs you find on those Perkins 4-108's you say are common
as
drive engines on longliner fishing boats in New England.

Lol. You're halucinating again. Did you dream that up in your stupor
last night? Time for you to go back to rehab. The last try didn't
take.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 17 Jul 2004 20:30:35 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

ARPANET, dood, ARPANET. when DOD released the internet to the general public,
looooooooooooooooooooong ago, DOD had in place its own, more secure,
replacement.

now, about those spark plugs you claim longliners have in their Perkins 4-108
main drive engines ...

Jox, rehab is your friend. Don't you know anyone who likes you enough
for an intervention? Probably not.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 17 Jul 2004 20:27:15 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

now, about those spark plugs on all those Perkins 4-108's you claim are the
main drive engine for New England based longliner fishing boats ...

Ah, so you really are claiming you're an idiot. Thanks for the
clarification.

"steve", it was your claim, not mine. I know what a 4-108 is and how big a
longliner is.

Wrong. It was your claim, not mine. You just made it above. I never
did except in your drug induced halucination. If you think it was real
and not in your stuporous haze, you'd be able to find a reference where
I said it. But you cannot find a real one because I never did.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

"steve"? are you okay? need help? have you had short term memory problems
like this before? are your co-workers worried about you?

well, let's take it as if you really were out to lunch then. So, tell us --
once again -- just what kind of plugs might be found on the engine on a
longliner such as the Andrea Gail, plugs the drunken crew might be inclined to
clean in their anxiety?

now, about those spark plugs on all those Perkins 4-108's you claim are
the
main drive engine for New England based longliner fishing boats ...

Ah, so you really are claiming you're an idiot. Thanks for the
clarification.

"steve", it was your claim, not mine. I know what a 4-108 is and how big a
longliner is.

Wrong. It was your claim, not mine. You just made it above. I never
did except in your drug induced halucination. If you think it was real
and not in your stuporous haze, you'd be able to find a reference where
I said it. But you cannot find a real one because I never did.

Steve