Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

gene, Instrument Flight Rules are NOT DR. kriste almighty, dood, wake up.

the one that you said ded reckoning can't be used for
IFR.... ROFLMAO.... yep, I remember

DR and IFR are mutually exclusive terms. duh.

Care to post *ANY* creditable laws or rules to support that? I filed AND
flow
DR flight plans.... with ATC's knowledge and blessing. And so did a number
of
other posters that pointed out your folly.




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Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

not in IFR conditions you didn't.

make that: I have filed AND flown DR flight plans....

besides, I believe you are confusing the term DR with VFR, not an uncommon
mistake for someone who has never flown an airplane and knows nothing about
flying an airplane.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

so, gene, care to point out the specific passage (cut and paste, if you please)
wherein it states one can "fly blind" (as DR is referred in aviation) in IFR
conditions?

Care to post *ANY* creditable laws or rules to support that?

I'll give you a hint where to look 14 CFR 91...

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

gene, "flying blind" in IFR conditions is illegal, and has been for seventy
some years. kriste almighty, gene, it took you decades to get an A & E license
18 year old boys get in a year. knock it off about DRing a 747 across the
Atlantic. face the fact, gene, you simply don't know what the term means and
you are pretending otherwise.

not in IFR conditions you didn't.

make that: I have filed AND flown DR flight plans....

besides, I believe you are confusing the term DR with VFR, not an uncommon
mistake for someone who has never flown an airplane and knows nothing about
flying an airplane.

There are only three types of flight plans VFR, IFR, and DVFR.... and any of
them may include DR components. So sorry for your ignorance..... Again, if
you
doubt me, check 14 CFR 91.




--
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http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at
Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

gene, you lazy squat. cut and paste and be done with it. you can't, of
course, so either show us you can or shut up about it.

btw, "flying blind" means withOUT instruments (as in "blind"), and much later
flying in conditions where only instruments can save your sorry ass.

btw dood you should NEVER get in the left seat of an aircraft. you will die,
screaming.

so, gene, care to point out the specific passage (cut and paste, if you
please)
wherein it states one can "fly blind" (as DR is referred in aviation) in IFR
conditions?


You are the one that stated it was not legal to do so. Here, in electronic
form, which should be easy for *you* to cut and paste, are the appropriate,
applicable FARs. http://tinyurl.com/5u4q7

If you make a claim it is on *you* to support same, not on the posters that
call
your hand on such outrageous and unsupported positions.

So, Jax, please point out the specific passage (cut and paste, if you please)
wherein it states one can "fly blind" (as DR is referred in aviation) in IFR
conditions........

Oh, yeah, sorry Jax, but the term "fly blind" refers to flight solely on
instruments.... sort of the definition of IFR, eh? See:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fly%20blind


Care to post *ANY* creditable laws or rules to support that?

I'll give you a hint where to look 14 CFR 91...









--
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Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

gene, you are ranting. cut and paste and be done with it, you lazy sack of
squat.

gene, "flying blind" in IFR conditions is illegal, and has been for seventy
some years. kriste almighty, gene, it took you decades to get an A & E
license
18 year old boys get in a year. knock it off about DRing a 747 across the
Atlantic. face the fact, gene, you simply don't know what the term means
and
you are pretending otherwise.



So, post the proof, genius... I've already provided the link.... I've
already
done most of the work for you. You can produce the rule that proves you are
not
full of feces, right. Jax? Jax? Hellooooo?




--
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http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
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located.
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Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:
gene, you are ranting. cut and paste and be done with it, you lazy sack of
squat.


JAx...why don't you take that clapped-out, piddlin' little sailboat of
yours out for a sail in the Bay?


--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

gene, the term "instruments" used in the aviation context it was used in means
"certified for Instrument Flight Rules" instruments. you would know that if
you were ever qualified to fly the left seat without an instructor aboard.

gene, you lazy squat. cut and paste and be done with it. you can't, of
course, so either show us you can or shut up about it.


It's up to you, genius. For a physics guru like you, a simple cut and paste
should be easy. Right? So where *is* that rule, Jax.....

btw, "flying blind" means withOUT instruments (as in "blind"), and much
later
flying in conditions where only instruments can save your sorry ass.


Stoopid, stoopid, stoopid.... that statement is de facto idiotic. First, I
provided the link to prove that "flying blind" is properly defined, for
everybody but you, as flying with reference to instruments. Second, if in
JaxWorld, flying blind has anything to do with not using any instrument, it
couldn't have anything to do DR, because that requires some sort of compass
and
a time measurement device.

btw dood you should NEVER get in the left seat of an aircraft. you will
die,
screaming.


I'll keep that in mind this morning.... if I post again after about 2PM,
you'll
be wrong again.





--
23' Grady White, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
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located.
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Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Watching Jax argue about the proper usage of of various words/phrases
(pilotage/piloting, ded reckoning/dead reckoning, flying blind/IFR,
etc.) is always amusing.
Generally, the fact that he gets hung up on one interpretation and can't
accept or see other interpretations, simply tells us he doesn't know
what he's talking about.
On the rare occasions when he goes into some navigation exercise or
procedure it becomes absolutely clear, he doesn't.

otn

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Subject: Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/07/2004 16:05 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

back in the 1920's, ships (and aircraft, at least some of them) had RDF,
specifically to avoid the dangers of DRing.

G Not everywhere, jax, and by this statement, we realize that this is another
area you know little about.

Shen

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

over the knee, your post is the dumest excuse I have ever heard from anyone as
to why you should not be called stew ped for nothing at all about the subject
you are claiming expertise in.

just admit you didn't know squat about the subject, and move on.

From: otnmbrd
Date: 8/8/2004 12:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: . net

Watching Jax argue about the proper usage of of various words/phrases
(pilotage/piloting, ded reckoning/dead reckoning, flying blind/IFR,
etc.) is always amusing.
Generally, the fact that he gets hung up on one interpretation and can't
accept or see other interpretations, simply tells us he doesn't know
what he's talking about.
On the rare occasions when he goes into some navigation exercise or
procedure it becomes absolutely clear, he doesn't.

otn

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

gene, just admit you didn't then and don't now know squat about navigation, air
or sea, and be done with it.

From: "Gene Kearns"
Date: 8/8/2004 2:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 08 Aug 2004 14:56:58 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

gene, the term "instruments" used in the aviation context it was used in
means
"certified for Instrument Flight Rules" instruments. you would know that if
you were ever qualified to fly the left seat without an instructor aboard.


Thanks for proving my point, genius.... IFR instrument requirements adds a
clock..... just so you'll have one for DR if needed..... along with timing
instrument approaches.... oh, what, what??? WHAT??? Timing instrument
approaches! Magnitude! Direction! More DR! Ahhhhhhhh..... sorry Jax,
you're wrong again!

See! http://tinyurl.com/5zmqy




--
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http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at
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Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

shen, every last country signatory to the radio treaty of 1920 (1919?) required
their radio stations to broadcast their call sign, frequency and city every ten
minutes they were on the air. This was done specifically as an aid to
navigation for ships at sea and aircraft in the air.

recreational boats often did not have any such equipment until into the 1970's,
1980's and in some cases 1990's. Lots of recreational vessels were lost due to
hitting rocks in reduced visability conditions until lorans and later gps's
became common. Stories of vessels lost such were common in the boating
magazines until the late 1980's.

back in the 1920's, ships (and aircraft, at least some of them) had RDF,
specifically to avoid the dangers of DRing.

G Not everywhere, jax, and by this statement, we realize that this is
another
area you know little about.

Shen

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

gene, any clown can read the numbers from the side of an aircraft on the
ground. you, however, are not capable of flying left seat. unless, of course,
your pratterings on this thread were purposeful lies and you really aren't as
stew ped as you pretend to be. now knock it off.

btw dood you should NEVER get in the left seat of an aircraft. you will
die,
screaming.


Yep, he's wrong, yet again..... N7136S and I had a beautiful flight!
Unlimited
vis, light (X-)winds, and lots of sights to see on and off the beach....
sadly,
not much in the way of fish spotting.
(KSUT 081820Z AUTO 10008KT 10SM SCT055 27/15 A3017 RMK AO2)

Keep spouting negativity, though, Jax, even a blind hog gets an acorn once in
a
while.....




--
23' Grady White, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is
located.
http://southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at
Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

gene, if you would be so kind as to email your ssn, I will be glad to report
you to the FAA as one who claims to fly in IFR conditions without required
instruments, just blindly wandering around in airspace. that way we can let
the FAA explain the rules to you, as they suspect, later revoke, your license.





btw dood you should NEVER get in the left seat of an aircraft. you will
die,
screaming.


Yep, he's wrong, yet again..... N7136S and I had a beautiful flight!
Unlimited
vis, light (X-)winds, and lots of sights to see on and off the beach....
sadly,
not much in the way of fish spotting.
(KSUT 081820Z AUTO 10008KT 10SM SCT055 27/15 A3017 RMK AO2)

Keep spouting negativity, though, Jax, even a blind hog gets an acorn once in
a
while.....




--
23' Grady White, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is
located.
http://southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at
Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:
over the knee, your post is the dumest excuse I have ever heard from anyone as
to why you should not be called stew ped for nothing at all about the subject
you are claiming expertise in.

just admit you didn't know squat about the subject, and move on.

ROFLMAO Jax, I am not claiming expertise in anything. Only YOU are dumb
enough to try that, and YOU are constantly shown to be at a level at
least ten points below "novice".

otn

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Subject: Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/08/2004 13:56 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

shen, every last country signatory to the radio treaty of 1920 (1919?)
required
their radio stations to broadcast their call sign, frequency and city every
ten
minutes they were on the air. This was done specifically as an aid to
navigation for ships at sea and aircraft in the air.

recreational boats often did not have any such equipment until into the
1970's,
1980's and in some cases 1990's. Lots of recreational vessels were lost due
to
hitting rocks in reduced visability conditions until lorans and later gps's
became common. Stories of vessels lost such were common in the boating
magazines until the late 1980's.

All well and good. However there were many areas of the world, where the
coverage for RDF was poor and not all charts carried the exact locations of all
transmitters.
To all this, add the corrections needed for using stations, inland, with great
distance, and, the skill of the operator and proper alignment of equipment and
you'd find any number of limitations associated with it's use.
I.e., it wasn't a cure-all, just another aid that had to be used with caution.
By the 70's, a high percentage of recreational boaters in the US were beginning
to use Loran, as it didn't generally require the skill that RDF did.

Shen

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

take what ever you want, gene. you are hopeless. if I were to shine a
flashlight in your eyes, I would see the back of your skull.

gene, just admit you didn't then and don't now know squat about navigation,
air
or sea, and be done with it.


I take it, then, that you are admitting you were and are wrong.




--
23' Grady White, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is
located.
http://southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at
Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 07 Aug 2004 21:20:00 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

was too stupid a statement for anybody to
make, even for you, but no.... you did say..... "If you know where you are,
you
aren't lost."

well, IF you have ***reference*** points THEN you know where your are, and
therefore are NOT lost. if on the other hand you do not have reference points,
then you are lost.

According to Jox, if you can see the sun (a known ***reference*** point)
then you know where you are and are not lost.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

wilco, to use an archaic term.

From: "Gene Kearns"
Date: 8/8/2004 5:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 08 Aug 2004 21:01:42 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

gene, if you would be so kind as to email your ssn, I will be glad to report
you to the FAA as one who claims to fly in IFR conditions without required
instruments, just blindly wandering around in airspace. that way we can let
the FAA explain the rules to you, as they suspect, later revoke, your
license.


Just give them my name, Jax... they have my SSN.... it is the number on my
pilot license...




--
23' Grady White, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is
located.
http://southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at
Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

shen is meandering more than a bit, but if you read and reread and read again
to see what he is saying you will find he is troubled to agreed with me, but he
finds he has to.

shen, every last country signatory to the radio treaty of 1920 (1919?)
required
their radio stations to broadcast their call sign, frequency and city every
ten
minutes they were on the air. This was done specifically as an aid to
navigation for ships at sea and aircraft in the air.

recreational boats often did not have any such equipment until into the
1970's,
1980's and in some cases 1990's. Lots of recreational vessels were lost due
to
hitting rocks in reduced visability conditions until lorans and later gps's
became common. Stories of vessels lost such were common in the boating
magazines until the late 1980's.

All well and good. However there were many areas of the world, where the
coverage for RDF was poor and not all charts carried the exact locations of
all
transmitters.
To all this, add the corrections needed for using stations, inland, with
great
distance, and, the skill of the operator and proper alignment of equipment
and
you'd find any number of limitations associated with it's use.
I.e., it wasn't a cure-all, just another aid that had to be used with
caution.
By the 70's, a high percentage of recreational boaters in the US were
beginning
to use Loran, as it didn't generally require the skill that RDF did.

Shen

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Subject: Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/08/2004 15:55 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

shen is meandering more than a bit, but if you read and reread and read again
to see what he is saying you will find he is troubled to agreed with me, but
he
finds he has to.


G Actually, I'm pointing out the errors in your "general" statement regarding
RDF and the overall usage of it by those in the marine environment.
For the most part, most ships only used signals from RDF stations on the coast
that were designed for marine use, as the others required too much in the way
of corrections to be reliable other than as a possible indication to help
correct their DR.
I'd like to hear your explaination of fixes using sounds/smells from shore and
fathom curves.... the above stuff, anyone can get from some light reading.

Shen

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

way to go, schlackoff, you are beginning to understand. soon you will realize
that you need more than one reference point, but certainly the sun can be used
for one of them. In fact, the sun has been used as a reference point for
sailing for maybe a thousand years.

attaboy, schlackoff. attaboy.

was too stupid a statement for anybody to
make, even for you, but no.... you did say..... "If you know where you
are,
you
aren't lost."

well, IF you have ***reference*** points THEN you know where your are, and
therefore are NOT lost. if on the other hand you do not have reference
points,
then you are lost.

According to Jox, if you can see the sun (a known ***reference*** point)
then you know where you are and are not lost.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

shen, the radio treaty of 1919 or 1920 specifically included the requirement
that all commercial radio stations broadcast their call letters, their
frequency and city every ten minutes they were on the air. This was done
specifically as an aid to navigation for ships at sea and aircraft in the air
(when it would come about that aircraft would be making long distance flights).

specifically for navigation, shen, specifically.

shen is meandering more than a bit, but if you read and reread and read
again
to see what he is saying you will find he is troubled to agreed with me, but
he
finds he has to.


G Actually, I'm pointing out the errors in your "general" statement
regarding
RDF and the overall usage of it by those in the marine environment.
For the most part, most ships only used signals from RDF stations on the
coast
that were designed for marine use, as the others required too much in the way
of corrections to be reliable other than as a possible indication to help
correct their DR.
I'd like to hear your explaination of fixes using sounds/smells from shore
and
fathom curves.... the above stuff, anyone can get from some light reading.

Shen

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Subject: Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/08/2004 17:27 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

shen, the radio treaty of 1919 or 1920 specifically included the requirement
that all commercial radio stations broadcast their call letters, their
frequency and city every ten minutes they were on the air. This was done
specifically as an aid to navigation for ships at sea and aircraft in the air
(when it would come about that aircraft would be making long distance
flights).

specifically for navigation, shen, specifically.


Jax, specifically, that's terryific. Problem is that all those inland radio
stations have a problem with "coastal refraction" which makes their use
doubtful as regards accuracy.
Course, there were a number of other possible errors also, which, once again,
removed RDF from the cure-all category, especially for a Novice, such as
yourself.

Shen

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

of course,shen, *your* grandfather was an idiot. Mine was not.

shen, the radio treaty of 1919 or 1920 specifically included the requirement
that all commercial radio stations broadcast their call letters, their
frequency and city every ten minutes they were on the air. This was done
specifically as an aid to navigation for ships at sea and aircraft in the
air
(when it would come about that aircraft would be making long distance
flights).

specifically for navigation, shen, specifically.


Jax, specifically, that's terryific. Problem is that all those inland radio
stations have a problem with "coastal refraction" which makes their use
doubtful as regards accuracy.
Course, there were a number of other possible errors also, which, once again,
removed RDF from the cure-all category, especially for a Novice, such as
yourself.

Shen

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Subject: Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/08/2004 19:29 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

of course,shen, *your* grandfather was an idiot. Mine was not.

Haven't got a clue how that bit of nonsense relates, other than it's a "jaxism"
for "I don't have an intelligent answer".
S'ok jax we don't expect answers from you, much less intelligent or
knowledgeable ones .... RDF on boats was probably before your time and
undoubtably beyond your abilities.

Shen

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Haven't got a clue

I don't have an intelligent answer

Shen

we are aware of that.

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

On 09 Aug 2004 00:23:57 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

way to go, schlackoff, you are beginning to understand. soon you will realize
that you need more than one reference point, but certainly the sun can be used
for one of them. In fact, the sun has been used as a reference point for
sailing for maybe a thousand years.

Ah, very good joxitchby. Now you are beginning to understand. Soon you
will realize that if you are standing in a forrest, can see the sun and
the moon at the same time (very possible certain times of the month and
day) and can even see a jetliner passing overhead (3 ***reference***
points) then you can still be lost. Of course, you'll have to admit to
being wrong to also admit it's still possible to be lost with those 3
known reference points I listed.

attaboy joxie.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

durn, schlackoff. and just when you are starting to make progress.

oh well. in the end, schlackoff, you are just another Darwin candidate.

way to go, schlackoff, you are beginning to understand. soon you will
realize
that you need more than one reference point, but certainly the sun can be
used
for one of them. In fact, the sun has been used as a reference point for
sailing for maybe a thousand years.

Ah, very good joxitchby. Now you are beginning to understand. Soon you
will realize that if you are standing in a forrest, can see the sun and
the moon at the same time (very possible certain times of the month and
day) and can even see a jetliner passing overhead (3 ***reference***
points) then you can still be lost. Of course, you'll have to admit to
being wrong to also admit it's still possible to be lost with those 3
known reference points I listed.

attaboy joxie.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

ubject: Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 08/07/2004 16:05 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

back in the 1920's, ships (and aircraft, at least some of them) had RDF,
specifically to avoid the dangers of DRing.

shen, think of it this way. what would *you* do IF 25% of ALL commercial
aircraft crashed before making it 20 years?


If it was back in the teens or twenties, I'd probably create the FAA.
How'd yer planes life span look back then?

Shen


Prime example of the way things rattle around in jax's mind and come out as
statements, unrelated to the question.
It's almost like jax goes into "brain freeze" everytime he's asked a question
he has no answer for or doesn't like the answer to.

Shen

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:

durn, schlackoff. and just when you are starting to make progress.

oh well. in the end, schlackoff, you are just another Darwin candidate.

I just love the way you admit you're wrong.

Steve


way to go, schlackoff, you are beginning to understand. soon you will

realize

that you need more than one reference point, but certainly the sun can be

used

for one of them. In fact, the sun has been used as a reference point for
sailing for maybe a thousand years.

Ah, very good joxitchby. Now you are beginning to understand. Soon you
will realize that if you are standing in a forrest, can see the sun and
the moon at the same time (very possible certain times of the month and
day) and can even see a jetliner passing overhead (3 ***reference***
points) then you can still be lost. Of course, you'll have to admit to
being wrong to also admit it's still possible to be lost with those 3
known reference points I listed.

attaboy joxie.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:
ah, schlackoff? know what a "noon sight" is?

Is that the best you can do? Pathetic. I'm sure when you're walking
around in the woods, lost, with nothing but a canteen and a candy bar,
you'll be able to find out exactly where you are with a noon sight. lol

After all, according to you if you can see a reference point then you
know where you are.

Steve

durn, schlackoff. and just when you are starting to make progress.

oh well. in the end, schlackoff, you are just another Darwin candidate.

I just love the way you admit you're wrong.

Steve



way to go, schlackoff, you are beginning to understand. soon you will

realize


that you need more than one reference point, but certainly the sun can be

used


for one of them. In fact, the sun has been used as a reference point for
sailing for maybe a thousand years.

Ah, very good joxitchby. Now you are beginning to understand. Soon you
will realize that if you are standing in a forrest, can see the sun and
the moon at the same time (very possible certain times of the month and
day) and can even see a jetliner passing overhead (3 ***reference***
points) then you can still be lost. Of course, you'll have to admit to
being wrong to also admit it's still possible to be lost with those 3
known reference points I listed.

attaboy joxie.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

ah, schlackoff? know what a "noon sight" is?

durn, schlackoff. and just when you are starting to make progress.

oh well. in the end, schlackoff, you are just another Darwin candidate.

I just love the way you admit you're wrong.

Steve


way to go, schlackoff, you are beginning to understand. soon you will

realize

that you need more than one reference point, but certainly the sun can be

used

for one of them. In fact, the sun has been used as a reference point for
sailing for maybe a thousand years.

Ah, very good joxitchby. Now you are beginning to understand. Soon you
will realize that if you are standing in a forrest, can see the sun and
the moon at the same time (very possible certain times of the month and
day) and can even see a jetliner passing overhead (3 ***reference***
points) then you can still be lost. Of course, you'll have to admit to
being wrong to also admit it's still possible to be lost with those 3
known reference points I listed.

attaboy joxie.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

so, you do NOT know what a noon sight is, right schlackoff?

hint: it is a measurement of a reference point and is used to termine
position.


ah, schlackoff? know what a "noon sight" is?

Is that the best you can do? Pathetic. I'm sure when you're walking
around in the woods, lost, with nothing but a canteen and a candy bar,
you'll be able to find out exactly where you are with a noon sight. lol

After all, according to you if you can see a reference point then you
know where you are.

Steve

durn, schlackoff. and just when you are starting to make progress.

oh well. in the end, schlackoff, you are just another Darwin candidate.

I just love the way you admit you're wrong.

Steve



way to go, schlackoff, you are beginning to understand. soon you will

realize


that you need more than one reference point, but certainly the sun can
be

used


for one of them. In fact, the sun has been used as a reference point
for
sailing for maybe a thousand years.

Ah, very good joxitchby. Now you are beginning to understand. Soon you
will realize that if you are standing in a forrest, can see the sun and
the moon at the same time (very possible certain times of the month and
day) and can even see a jetliner passing overhead (3 ***reference***
points) then you can still be lost. Of course, you'll have to admit to
being wrong to also admit it's still possible to be lost with those 3
known reference points I listed.

attaboy joxie.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:
so, you do NOT know what a noon sight is, right schlackoff?

hint: it is a measurement of a reference point and is used to termine
position.

You idiot, of couse I know what a noon sight is. But according to you,
if you can see a reference point then you know where you are. So you
said that if you can see the sun at noon then you know where you are.
That's just one of the many idiotic things you've said and can't admit
to being wrong about. And here you are again telling us that all you
need is a noon sight and you can determine your position. It's plainly
obvious that all you're doing is regurtitating information you find with
a web search and you really have no idea what you're talking about.

Steve
ah, schlackoff? know what a "noon sight" is?

Is that the best you can do? Pathetic. I'm sure when you're walking
around in the woods, lost, with nothing but a canteen and a candy bar,
you'll be able to find out exactly where you are with a noon sight. lol

After all, according to you if you can see a reference point then you
know where you are.

Steve


durn, schlackoff. and just when you are starting to make progress.

oh well. in the end, schlackoff, you are just another Darwin candidate.

I just love the way you admit you're wrong.

Steve




way to go, schlackoff, you are beginning to understand. soon you will

realize



that you need more than one reference point, but certainly the sun can

be

used



for one of them. In fact, the sun has been used as a reference point

for

sailing for maybe a thousand years.

Ah, very good joxitchby. Now you are beginning to understand. Soon you
will realize that if you are standing in a forrest, can see the sun and
the moon at the same time (very possible certain times of the month and
day) and can even see a jetliner passing overhead (3 ***reference***
points) then you can still be lost. Of course, you'll have to admit to
being wrong to also admit it's still possible to be lost with those 3
known reference points I listed.

attaboy joxie.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

schlackoff? are you purposely trying to appear dense, or are you really,
really stew ped? It appears you don't understand one word in five in any
normal sentence.

so, you do NOT know what a noon sight is, right schlackoff?

hint: it is a measurement of a reference point and is used to termine
position.

You idiot, of couse I know what a noon sight is. But according to you,
if you can see a reference point then you know where you are. So you
said that if you can see the sun at noon then you know where you are.
That's just one of the many idiotic things you've said and can't admit
to being wrong about. And here you are again telling us that all you
need is a noon sight and you can determine your position. It's plainly
obvious that all you're doing is regurtitating information you find with
a web search and you really have no idea what you're talking about.

Steve
ah, schlackoff? know what a "noon sight" is?

Is that the best you can do? Pathetic. I'm sure when you're walking
around in the woods, lost, with nothing but a canteen and a candy bar,
you'll be able to find out exactly where you are with a noon sight. lol

After all, according to you if you can see a reference point then you
know where you are.

Steve


durn, schlackoff. and just when you are starting to make progress.

oh well. in the end, schlackoff, you are just another Darwin candidate.

I just love the way you admit you're wrong.

Steve




way to go, schlackoff, you are beginning to understand. soon you will

realize



that you need more than one reference point, but certainly the sun can

be

used



for one of them. In fact, the sun has been used as a reference point

for

sailing for maybe a thousand years.

Ah, very good joxitchby. Now you are beginning to understand. Soon
you
will realize that if you are standing in a forrest, can see the sun and
the moon at the same time (very possible certain times of the month and
day) and can even see a jetliner passing overhead (3 ***reference***
points) then you can still be lost. Of course, you'll have to admit to
being wrong to also admit it's still possible to be lost with those 3
known reference points I listed.

attaboy joxie.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

JAXAshby wrote:
schlackoff? are you purposely trying to appear dense, or are you really,
really stew ped? It appears you don't understand one word in five in any
normal sentence.

As we all know by now, that's your way of admitting you're wrong, and
you cannot determine your position simply by seeing a reference point as
you have claimed.

Steve

Huh? Diesel engines don't last 800 hours before major repairs??
 

schlackoff, *you* were the one claiming that reference points were not needed
to determine position, and *you* were the one claiming that the sun could never
be a reference point.

little boy, it seem apparent you have not a clew what the word "reference"
means, most certainly not in the context of a point.

schlackoff? are you purposely trying to appear dense, or are you really,
really stew ped? It appears you don't understand one word in five in any
normal sentence.

As we all know by now, that's your way of admitting you're wrong, and
you cannot determine your position simply by seeing a reference point as
you have claimed.

Steve