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NOYB June 10th 04 06:19 PM

OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
 

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:26:55 +0000, NOYB wrote:


What's really ridiculous about your claim is that when I type "good
speaker" and "thomas jefferson" into google, the first two results I get
have the words "not a" before "good speaker". Show me an instance where
somebody described Jefferson as a good speaker.


I'm wondering if our modern definition of a "good speaker" is the same as
Jefferson's contemporaries. In the time before mass media, oratory was
the way a politician addressed the public. Speeches sometimes lasted
hours and could incite riots. Perhaps Jefferson was less effective in
this aspect.


Less effective than Bush in inciting riots? Perhaps. ;-)


Bush's lack of ability in public speaking doesn't necessarily reflect on
his intelligence, nor do his frequent "misspeaks", factual errors,
grammatical errors, and miss-pronunciations. They do, however, exhibit an
intellectual laziness and lack of preparation unworthy of the President of
the United States.


I've listed several successful and effective presidents or prominant figures
in government who were known as poor speakers. I don't think it's quite the
handicap you make it out to be.




NOYB June 10th 04 06:22 PM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

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Asians *are* orientals you idiot.




Why don't you try running the term "Oriental" by the next

few
Asians
you
meet and see sort of reaction you get?

"With my right foot, I will kick your face. With my left,

I
will
kick
your
nose. With my fingers, I will poke your eyes out. Take a

good
look
at
my
face. I'm an Oriental."

Jackie Chan--"They Still Call Me Bruce" (1987)




Remember what I told you earlier about my having about 40

years
more
education than you? You've just provided a perfect example

of
why
I
said
that. You do NOT get an accurate view of the world from

movies.



Oh, come on...you can't be intimating that Nobby should read
serious
books...

Or maybe even a real newspaper or magazine whose articles take
longer
than
38 seconds to read....

That's because of my adult ADD.


I scored a whopping 82 on this quiz:
http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm

I guess I'm in good company though:
http://www.oneaddplace.com/famous.htm



Time for excuses, eh?

It's not an excuse. If a topic doesn't interest me, I don't have

the
ability to focus my thoughts on it for very long. If I find it
interesting,
I have the ability to "hyper-focus" my thoughts on it and analyze

the
details like nobody else. In my profession, this trait is all that
matters.

Does this explain why you have little or no ability to apply the

lessons
of
history to current events?


Quite the contrary. When legitimate parallels between historical and
current events are presented to me, I spend a lot of time reading

historical
references to learn more.




Good. Read up on our adventures in the Phillippines.



The key phrase in my paragraph: *LEGITIMATE PARALLELS*.

But I will "read up on the Phillippines".

Can you provide a specific period or time frame that you're alluding to? My
ADD will not allow me to spend hours sifting through two centuries of
US/Filipino history to find a parallel that may or may not exist.





Doug Kanter June 10th 04 06:26 PM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 
"NOYB" wrote in message
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Quite the contrary. When legitimate parallels between historical and
current events are presented to me, I spend a lot of time reading

historical
references to learn more.




Good. Read up on our adventures in the Phillippines.



The key phrase in my paragraph: *LEGITIMATE PARALLELS*.

But I will "read up on the Phillippines".

Can you provide a specific period or time frame that you're alluding to?

My
ADD will not allow me to spend hours sifting through two centuries of
US/Filipino history to find a parallel that may or may not exist.


1898 through present. Try:
"In Our Image - America's Empire in the Phillippines", by Stanley Karnow.
There is no better chronicle on the subject.

It's an actual book, by the way. Barnes & Noble has used copies available,
and you library may have it. That's a building where you can borrow books.



John Gaquin June 10th 04 06:56 PM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

"basskisser" wrote in message

You are getting more stupid by the day. Getting any pictures of
"children in the biblical sense" lately?


pictures in the biblical sense. now that's a new one. LOL



Harry Krause June 10th 04 07:10 PM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 
John Gaquin wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message

You are getting more stupid by the day. Getting any pictures of
"children in the biblical sense" lately?



pictures in the biblical sense. now that's a new one. LOL




Since you apparently have not learned anything since being tossed out of
the 4th grade, I suspect much in life is "a new one" to you.

jim-- June 10th 04 07:17 PM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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John Gaquin wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message

You are getting more stupid by the day. Getting any pictures of
"children in the biblical sense" lately?



pictures in the biblical sense. now that's a new one. LOL




Since you apparently have not learned anything since being tossed out of
the 4th grade, I suspect much in life is "a new one" to you.


Momma bear coming to the defense of baby bear....how touching.



NOYB June 10th 04 07:30 PM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Quite the contrary. When legitimate parallels between historical

and
current events are presented to me, I spend a lot of time reading
historical
references to learn more.




Good. Read up on our adventures in the Phillippines.



The key phrase in my paragraph: *LEGITIMATE PARALLELS*.

But I will "read up on the Phillippines".

Can you provide a specific period or time frame that you're alluding to?

My
ADD will not allow me to spend hours sifting through two centuries of
US/Filipino history to find a parallel that may or may not exist.


1898 through present. Try:
"In Our Image - America's Empire in the Phillippines", by Stanley Karnow.
There is no better chronicle on the subject.


The problem with obtaining knowledge from such a book lies in the fact that
the word "Empire" has such negative connotations. Before I even open the
book, I've already formed an opinion about how the author is about to spin
our relationship with the Filipinos.


I prefer a little less subjective source that simply gives me historical
names, dates, and significant occurances as they relate to the United States
and the Philippines.

In the little digging around that I've done (in the last 38 seconds), I'm
already having a hard time seeing a parallel to our current involvement in
Iraq. The Filipinos were fighting a revolution against Spain. We beat
Spain in the Spanish-American war...and then "bought" the Philippines,
Puerto Rico, and several other islands. In other words, we bought an island
that had spent centuries as a Colony, but the prior 3 years fighting for
independence from that outside controlling force...and then we tried to
colonize them again.

I just don't see the parallel with Iraq. Who is supposed to play the role
of Spain? Where was the 3 year revolution prior to our arrival? And,
finally, how are we "colonizing" Iraq? We're turning the country over to
the Iraqis.






John H June 10th 04 07:49 PM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:10:54 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

John Gaquin wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message

You are getting more stupid by the day. Getting any pictures of
"children in the biblical sense" lately?



pictures in the biblical sense. now that's a new one. LOL




Since you apparently have not learned anything since being tossed out of
the 4th grade, I suspect much in life is "a new one" to you.


Maybe you could provide an explanation if you are so familiar with the subject.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Harry Krause June 10th 04 07:51 PM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 
John H wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:10:54 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


John Gaquin wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message


You are getting more stupid by the day. Getting any pictures of
"children in the biblical sense" lately?


pictures in the biblical sense. now that's a new one. LOL




Since you apparently have not learned anything since being tossed out of
the 4th grade, I suspect much in life is "a new one" to you.



Maybe you could provide an explanation if you are so familiar with the subject.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!




Sure...the reference is to knowledge in the "biblical sense," and in
plain English, it means carnal or sexual knowledge of..."

HK, graduate etymologist. (Indeed, totally useless knowledge, except for
those who appreciated and wanted what was once called a "classical"
education. I got my trade school knowledge outside of college.)


Tell me more about that flash...

Doug Kanter June 10th 04 08:07 PM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Quite the contrary. When legitimate parallels between historical

and
current events are presented to me, I spend a lot of time reading
historical
references to learn more.




Good. Read up on our adventures in the Phillippines.


The key phrase in my paragraph: *LEGITIMATE PARALLELS*.

But I will "read up on the Phillippines".

Can you provide a specific period or time frame that you're alluding

to?
My
ADD will not allow me to spend hours sifting through two centuries of
US/Filipino history to find a parallel that may or may not exist.


1898 through present. Try:
"In Our Image - America's Empire in the Phillippines", by Stanley

Karnow.
There is no better chronicle on the subject.


The problem with obtaining knowledge from such a book lies in the fact

that
the word "Empire" has such negative connotations. Before I even open the
book, I've already formed an opinion about how the author is about to spin
our relationship with the Filipinos.


I prefer a little less subjective source that simply gives me historical
names, dates, and significant occurances as they relate to the United

States
and the Philippines.

In the little digging around that I've done (in the last 38 seconds), I'm
already having a hard time seeing a parallel to our current involvement in
Iraq. The Filipinos were fighting a revolution against Spain. We beat
Spain in the Spanish-American war...and then "bought" the Philippines,
Puerto Rico, and several other islands. In other words, we bought an

island
that had spent centuries as a Colony, but the prior 3 years fighting for
independence from that outside controlling force...and then we tried to
colonize them again.

I just don't see the parallel with Iraq. Who is supposed to play the role
of Spain? Where was the 3 year revolution prior to our arrival? And,
finally, how are we "colonizing" Iraq? We're turning the country over to
the Iraqis.






Where did you get your information in 38 seconds?



P.Fritz June 10th 04 08:28 PM

OT-- Atlanta
 

"jim--" wrote in message
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I'm piggybacking since I plonked asslicker far too long ago, but I can't
pass theis one up.


"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
DSK wrote in message

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****tard wrote:
NO ONE outside Atlanta is calling it a "world class" anything,

except
maybe a world class ********.

Oh c'mon, Atlanta has world-class traffic jams. And in winter time,

they
have a world-class number of expat Yankees crashing their cars.

Personally I consider the Varsity world-class even though they don't
have real BBQ.

DSK


Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.


Only five years of living there?

Been to a play on Peachtree?


At the very average Alliance or truck and bus shows at the
Fox?.......neither rate as 'world class'

Been to the Stouffer Resort on Lake Lanier?


Cripes, there are still those around?.....and on that pond? Anybody that
thinks Lake Lanier is 'world class' must not get out much

Been to any of the world-class restaurants (NOT the Varsity!)


snicker world class???? you must not get out much

Seen the lazer show at Stone Mountain?


snore you should check out the light show at the Temple of Philae, or
maybe Chitchen Itza......but Stone Mountain? snicker

Been to any of several of Georgia Tech's engineering labs?


Many..as well as many 'non engineering labs'....doesn't make it a 'world
class' city.

Been to Hartsfield Airport (the world's busiest)?


I had a hand it designing parts of it when it was first built. Hardly a
'world class' airport. Yet another sign you don't get around much

Toured the State Capital, with it's dome from Dahlonega gold (where
the FIRST gold rush in the U.S. took place)?


Much like most state capitol buildings......no 'world class' there

Watched the sunrise on the city from atop Stone Mountain?


Compared to the sunset at Golden Gate Park, or on Santorini, or the sunrise
at Machu Pichu or Giza......Stone Mountain doesn't even rank.

Seen any of many musical groups and musicians that come to Atlanta for
a chance to record at some of the best studios in the U.S.?


Best? snicker

Been to Olympic Park, where kids play in the fountains?


yawn Try the Trevi in Rome, or maybe in the Scott in Detroit......Olympic
Park doesn't come close to registering as 'world class'

Did you go to any Olympic events when we hosted the Olympics?


A one time event doesn't make a city world class.

Been to the fabulous Turner Field to watch the Braves?


Another boring baseball stadium. (that wasn't even designed as a baseball
stadium) Now maybe if was Wrigley or Yankee stadium, you might have
something.

(guess I won't mention the Falcons right now!!)
Walked around Sweet Auburn, and/or other historical areas?


Compared to Chicago, NYC, Baltimore or Philly? you have got to be
kidding......

Really studied the great history of the area?


Like getting burned down. Face it....Atlanta has little history compared
to much of the rest of the country. The only reason it is there is that the
railroad ended there.

I could go on....


No doubt you will, it will justl add to your total lack of credibility.


Add 'inferiority complex' to the list of other mental problems you have
asskisser.


Too funny.






P.Fritz June 10th 04 08:32 PM

OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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...now referred to as "fluency" by speech pathologists...

Are you f-ing kidding me? So a "stuttering oriental" is now a

"fluent
asian"?

More PC bull****.


OK. So, it would be OK with you if a pediatrician said to you,
"Hey...peckerhead....you're kid's a retard". :-)


That depends. If his head was really a penis, and his kid was really
retarded, then it would be appropriate IMO.


LMAO








basskisser June 10th 04 08:37 PM

OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
 
"John Smith" wrote in message news:xtYxc.76404$Ly.26357@attbi_s01...
LOL, I almost blew coffee out my nose. Bass is living proof that monkeys do
mate with chimpanzee.



Hhhmmm, here we have someone too stupid to drink coffee, trying to
sound like others around him are somehow not human.
Also, here is someone who tries to say that others around him are
somehow inferior, yet he claims to have "proof that monkeys do mate
with chimpanzee".
If you are using the plural of monkey, shouldn't you also use the
plural of chimpanzee? Stupid.

basskisser June 10th 04 08:41 PM

OT-- Atlanta
 
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
DSK wrote in message

...
****tard wrote:
NO ONE outside Atlanta is calling it a "world class" anything, except
maybe a world class ********.

Oh c'mon, Atlanta has world-class traffic jams. And in winter time, they
have a world-class number of expat Yankees crashing their cars.

Personally I consider the Varsity world-class even though they don't
have real BBQ.

DSK


Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.
Been to a play on Peachtree?
Been to the Stouffer Resort on Lake Lanier?


That's nearly an hour away!

Been to any of the world-class restaurants (NOT the Varsity!)
Seen the lazer show at Stone Mountain?
Been to any of several of Georgia Tech's engineering labs?
Been to Hartsfield Airport (the world's busiest)?


And the one that most people dread having to travel through. When I fly to
Chicago, if I can't find a direct flight, I'll pass up flights with
connecting stops in Atlanta for ones that stop anywhere but.


Why? It's a very easy airport to get around in. Of course you have to
be able to read.....your example sucks, too. O'hare is so outdated
with not much for attempts to fix problems


Toured the State Capital, with it's dome from Dahlonega gold (where
the FIRST gold rush in the U.S. took place)?


Watched the sunrise on the city from atop Stone Mountain?
Seen any of many musical groups and musicians that come to Atlanta for
a chance to record at some of the best studios in the U.S.?
Been to Olympic Park, where kids play in the fountains?
Did you go to any Olympic events when we hosted the Olympics?
Been to the fabulous Turner Field to watch the Braves?


Turner's a dolt. And I hate the Braves.


A dolt??? That would infere that you know more than he about his
chosen occupation? Hmm, then why aren't YOU worth billions, and own a
baseball team?
Why do you "hate the Braves"? Are you so full of hate that you
actually hate a whole baseball team? How well do you KNOW the members
of the Braves orginization to be able to have such hatred?

(guess I won't mention the Falcons right now!!)
Walked around Sweet Auburn, and/or other historical areas?
Really studied the great history of the area?
I could go on....


And I'm sure you will...


basskisser June 10th 04 08:43 PM

OT-- Atlanta
 
"jim--" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
DSK wrote in message

...
****tard wrote:
NO ONE outside Atlanta is calling it a "world class" anything, except
maybe a world class ********.

Oh c'mon, Atlanta has world-class traffic jams. And in winter time, they
have a world-class number of expat Yankees crashing their cars.

Personally I consider the Varsity world-class even though they don't
have real BBQ.

DSK


Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.
Been to a play on Peachtree?
Been to the Stouffer Resort on Lake Lanier?
Been to any of the world-class restaurants (NOT the Varsity!)
Seen the lazer show at Stone Mountain?
Been to any of several of Georgia Tech's engineering labs?
Been to Hartsfield Airport (the world's busiest)?
Toured the State Capital, with it's dome from Dahlonega gold (where
the FIRST gold rush in the U.S. took place)?
Watched the sunrise on the city from atop Stone Mountain?
Seen any of many musical groups and musicians that come to Atlanta for
a chance to record at some of the best studios in the U.S.?
Been to Olympic Park, where kids play in the fountains?
Did you go to any Olympic events when we hosted the Olympics?
Been to the fabulous Turner Field to watch the Braves?
(guess I won't mention the Falcons right now!!)
Walked around Sweet Auburn, and/or other historical areas?
Really studied the great history of the area?
I could go on....


Add 'inferiority complex' to the list of other mental problems you have
asskisser.


Why, because I have lived here for 10 years, and know the place better
than idiots like NOYB who think they know Atlanta because they hit the
airport once a year, and watch the Braves??!!

John Gaquin June 10th 04 08:51 PM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Sure...the reference is to knowledge in the "biblical sense," and in
plain English, it means carnal or sexual knowledge of..."


"Knowledge of" in the biblical sense. Now we finally get to it -- after
weeks of fun and games, Harry has to save bass's ass and end the game! I've
been waiting (foolishly) for bass to finally get it, but it was all just too
much for the boy. On the several occasions when he tried to appear learned,
he made reference to JohnH "liking" in the biblical sense, and just recently
to "pictures" in the biblical sense, and I think there were a couple of
other tries, but IIRC, he never once alluded to "knowledge of" in the
biblical sense, which of course, is the term that has meaning, and the term
with which most people (other than bass) are familiar.


......totally useless knowledge, except for
those who appreciated and wanted what was once called a "classical"
education.


Not totally useless at all. Just ask bass -- he could have used a classical
education. I'm glad I received mine when I did, and my son, too.



Harry Krause June 10th 04 08:51 PM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 
John Gaquin wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Sure...the reference is to knowledge in the "biblical sense," and in
plain English, it means carnal or sexual knowledge of..."



"Knowledge of" in the biblical sense. Now we finally get to it -- after
weeks of fun and games, Harry has to save bass's ass and end the game! I've
been waiting (foolishly) for bass to finally get it, but it was all just too
much for the boy. On the several occasions when he tried to appear learned,
he made reference to JohnH "liking" in the biblical sense, and just recently
to "pictures" in the biblical sense, and I think there were a couple of
other tries, but IIRC, he never once alluded to "knowledge of" in the
biblical sense, which of course, is the term that has meaning, and the term
with which most people (other than bass) are familiar.


......totally useless knowledge, except for
those who appreciated and wanted what was once called a "classical"
education.



Not totally useless at all. Just ask bass -- he could have used a classical
education. I'm glad I received mine when I did, and my son, too.




Hey, when I was young and single, I got as much experience as I could in
the biblical sense with asmany young women as possible. I figured if the
creator didn't want me to, he wouldn't have made the fittings so universal.

But, of course, that was before the Republicans tried to outlaw sex by
making it appear "dirty."

John Gaquin June 10th 04 09:13 PM

OT-- Atlanta
 

"basskisser" wrote in message

Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.


Atlanta Summary:

Wafflehouse, and

Buckhead... (where "An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of manure")



Harry Krause June 10th 04 09:14 PM

OT-- Atlanta
 
John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.



Atlanta Summary:

Wafflehouse, and

Buckhead... (where "An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of manure")




Hey...don't knock Waffle House...my favorite spot on the highway to load
up on cholesterol.

In fact, I've thought many times of getting a Waffle House franchise.

NOYB June 10th 04 09:23 PM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Quite the contrary. When legitimate parallels between

historical
and
current events are presented to me, I spend a lot of time

reading
historical
references to learn more.




Good. Read up on our adventures in the Phillippines.


The key phrase in my paragraph: *LEGITIMATE PARALLELS*.

But I will "read up on the Phillippines".

Can you provide a specific period or time frame that you're alluding

to?
My
ADD will not allow me to spend hours sifting through two centuries

of
US/Filipino history to find a parallel that may or may not exist.

1898 through present. Try:
"In Our Image - America's Empire in the Phillippines", by Stanley

Karnow.
There is no better chronicle on the subject.


The problem with obtaining knowledge from such a book lies in the fact

that
the word "Empire" has such negative connotations. Before I even open

the
book, I've already formed an opinion about how the author is about to

spin
our relationship with the Filipinos.


I prefer a little less subjective source that simply gives me

historical
names, dates, and significant occurances as they relate to the United

States
and the Philippines.

In the little digging around that I've done (in the last 38 seconds),

I'm
already having a hard time seeing a parallel to our current involvement

in
Iraq. The Filipinos were fighting a revolution against Spain. We beat
Spain in the Spanish-American war...and then "bought" the Philippines,
Puerto Rico, and several other islands. In other words, we bought an

island
that had spent centuries as a Colony, but the prior 3 years fighting for
independence from that outside controlling force...and then we tried to
colonize them again.

I just don't see the parallel with Iraq. Who is supposed to play the

role
of Spain? Where was the 3 year revolution prior to our arrival? And,
finally, how are we "colonizing" Iraq? We're turning the country over

to
the Iraqis.






Where did you get your information in 38 seconds?


That was a joke in reference to your "attention span" comment from a little
while ago.




NOYB June 10th 04 09:38 PM

OT-- Atlanta
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.



Atlanta Summary:

Wafflehouse, and

Buckhead... (where "An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of manure")




Hey...don't knock Waffle House...my favorite spot on the highway to load
up on cholesterol.

In fact, I've thought many times of getting a Waffle House franchise.


Blech! The last time I went to one was about 15 years ago. The coffee was
cold, the toast was burnt, the bacon was fatty, and the waffles were
uncooked in the middle.

I'd rather eat at McDonald's. Their food is barely edible...but at least
it's consistently "barely edible". Waffle House is completely
inedible...and inconsistently so.

My top choice for national breakfast franchises is Perkins...but it costs a
lot more to start one of those.





jim-- June 10th 04 09:47 PM

OT-- Atlanta
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.



Atlanta Summary:

Wafflehouse, and

Buckhead... (where "An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of manure")




Hey...don't knock Waffle House...my favorite spot on the highway to load
up on cholesterol.

In fact, I've thought many times of getting a Waffle House franchise.


Isn't John Kerry the founder and current CEO of the *Waffle* House?



John Gaquin June 10th 04 09:48 PM

OT-- Atlanta
 

"NOYB" wrote in message news:rF3yc.20774

Blech! The last time I went to one was about 15 years ago.


Ironically, I've never had a bad experience at a Waffle House. Dislike ATL,
where I had lots and lots and lots of layovers, but the WH was consistent.

Steak & eggs....over easy ... scattered, smothered, and covered... :-)



Doug Kanter June 10th 04 10:06 PM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
...


Quite the contrary. When legitimate parallels between

historical
and
current events are presented to me, I spend a lot of time

reading
historical
references to learn more.




Good. Read up on our adventures in the Phillippines.


The key phrase in my paragraph: *LEGITIMATE PARALLELS*.

But I will "read up on the Phillippines".

Can you provide a specific period or time frame that you're

alluding
to?
My
ADD will not allow me to spend hours sifting through two centuries

of
US/Filipino history to find a parallel that may or may not exist.

1898 through present. Try:
"In Our Image - America's Empire in the Phillippines", by Stanley

Karnow.
There is no better chronicle on the subject.

The problem with obtaining knowledge from such a book lies in the fact

that
the word "Empire" has such negative connotations. Before I even open

the
book, I've already formed an opinion about how the author is about to

spin
our relationship with the Filipinos.


I prefer a little less subjective source that simply gives me

historical
names, dates, and significant occurances as they relate to the United

States
and the Philippines.

In the little digging around that I've done (in the last 38 seconds),

I'm
already having a hard time seeing a parallel to our current

involvement
in
Iraq. The Filipinos were fighting a revolution against Spain. We

beat
Spain in the Spanish-American war...and then "bought" the Philippines,
Puerto Rico, and several other islands. In other words, we bought an

island
that had spent centuries as a Colony, but the prior 3 years fighting

for
independence from that outside controlling force...and then we tried

to
colonize them again.

I just don't see the parallel with Iraq. Who is supposed to play the

role
of Spain? Where was the 3 year revolution prior to our arrival? And,
finally, how are we "colonizing" Iraq? We're turning the country

over
to
the Iraqis.






Where did you get your information in 38 seconds?


That was a joke in reference to your "attention span" comment from a

little
while ago.




Wherever you got it, it's about 99% incomplete. There's a big difference
between an encylopedia and a book written by an historian.



NOYB June 10th 04 10:22 PM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...


Quite the contrary. When legitimate parallels between

historical
and
current events are presented to me, I spend a lot of time

reading
historical
references to learn more.




Good. Read up on our adventures in the Phillippines.


The key phrase in my paragraph: *LEGITIMATE PARALLELS*.

But I will "read up on the Phillippines".

Can you provide a specific period or time frame that you're

alluding
to?
My
ADD will not allow me to spend hours sifting through two

centuries
of
US/Filipino history to find a parallel that may or may not

exist.

1898 through present. Try:
"In Our Image - America's Empire in the Phillippines", by Stanley
Karnow.
There is no better chronicle on the subject.

The problem with obtaining knowledge from such a book lies in the

fact
that
the word "Empire" has such negative connotations. Before I even

open
the
book, I've already formed an opinion about how the author is about

to
spin
our relationship with the Filipinos.


I prefer a little less subjective source that simply gives me

historical
names, dates, and significant occurances as they relate to the

United
States
and the Philippines.

In the little digging around that I've done (in the last 38

seconds),
I'm
already having a hard time seeing a parallel to our current

involvement
in
Iraq. The Filipinos were fighting a revolution against Spain. We

beat
Spain in the Spanish-American war...and then "bought" the

Philippines,
Puerto Rico, and several other islands. In other words, we bought

an
island
that had spent centuries as a Colony, but the prior 3 years fighting

for
independence from that outside controlling force...and then we tried

to
colonize them again.

I just don't see the parallel with Iraq. Who is supposed to play

the
role
of Spain? Where was the 3 year revolution prior to our arrival?

And,
finally, how are we "colonizing" Iraq? We're turning the country

over
to
the Iraqis.






Where did you get your information in 38 seconds?


That was a joke in reference to your "attention span" comment from a

little
while ago.




Wherever you got it, it's about 99% incomplete.


Really? You mean I didn't cover 3 years of Filipino conflict with Spain, 3
years of conflict with America, and several decades of post-war Filipino
history in one small paragraph?




NOYB June 10th 04 10:23 PM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...


Quite the contrary. When legitimate parallels between

historical
and
current events are presented to me, I spend a lot of time

reading
historical
references to learn more.




Good. Read up on our adventures in the Phillippines.


The key phrase in my paragraph: *LEGITIMATE PARALLELS*.

But I will "read up on the Phillippines".

Can you provide a specific period or time frame that you're

alluding
to?
My
ADD will not allow me to spend hours sifting through two

centuries
of
US/Filipino history to find a parallel that may or may not

exist.

1898 through present. Try:
"In Our Image - America's Empire in the Phillippines", by Stanley
Karnow.
There is no better chronicle on the subject.

The problem with obtaining knowledge from such a book lies in the

fact
that
the word "Empire" has such negative connotations. Before I even

open
the
book, I've already formed an opinion about how the author is about

to
spin
our relationship with the Filipinos.


I prefer a little less subjective source that simply gives me

historical
names, dates, and significant occurances as they relate to the

United
States
and the Philippines.

In the little digging around that I've done (in the last 38

seconds),
I'm
already having a hard time seeing a parallel to our current

involvement
in
Iraq. The Filipinos were fighting a revolution against Spain. We

beat
Spain in the Spanish-American war...and then "bought" the

Philippines,
Puerto Rico, and several other islands. In other words, we bought

an
island
that had spent centuries as a Colony, but the prior 3 years fighting

for
independence from that outside controlling force...and then we tried

to
colonize them again.

I just don't see the parallel with Iraq. Who is supposed to play

the
role
of Spain? Where was the 3 year revolution prior to our arrival?

And,
finally, how are we "colonizing" Iraq? We're turning the country

over
to
the Iraqis.






Where did you get your information in 38 seconds?


That was a joke in reference to your "attention span" comment from a

little
while ago.




Wherever you got it, it's about 99% incomplete. There's a big difference
between an encylopedia and a book written by an historian.


I got it from a site that used the following books as references:

1. In Our Image: America's Empire In The Philippines. 1989, by Stanley
Karnow. pp. 75-195.
2. The Wars of America. 1981, by Robert Leckie. pp. 563-574.




John Gaquin June 10th 04 10:47 PM

OT-- Atlanta
 

"jim--" wrote in message news:cZadnZkGQsGcVFXdRVn-

Isn't John Kerry the founder and current CEO of the *Waffle* House?


Good point! He certainly is "scattered and smothered."



Joe June 10th 04 10:53 PM

OT-- Atlanta
 

"jim--" wrote in message
...


Isn't John Kerry the founder and current CEO of the *Waffle* House?


No, but he did illegally obtain a cookie franchise in the 70's.
http://www.hillnews.com/news/012804/kerry.aspx



John Smith June 11th 04 12:21 AM

OT-- Atlanta
 
Harry and his wife the doctor doctor were going to open a Waffle House in
their spare time.


"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.


Atlanta Summary:

Wafflehouse, and

Buckhead... (where "An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of

manure")




Hey...don't knock Waffle House...my favorite spot on the highway to load
up on cholesterol.

In fact, I've thought many times of getting a Waffle House franchise.


Blech! The last time I went to one was about 15 years ago. The coffee

was
cold, the toast was burnt, the bacon was fatty, and the waffles were
uncooked in the middle.

I'd rather eat at McDonald's. Their food is barely edible...but at least
it's consistently "barely edible". Waffle House is completely
inedible...and inconsistently so.

My top choice for national breakfast franchises is Perkins...but it costs

a
lot more to start one of those.







John H June 11th 04 12:37 AM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:51:55 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:10:54 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


John Gaquin wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message


You are getting more stupid by the day. Getting any pictures of
"children in the biblical sense" lately?


pictures in the biblical sense. now that's a new one. LOL




Since you apparently have not learned anything since being tossed out of
the 4th grade, I suspect much in life is "a new one" to you.



Maybe you could provide an explanation if you are so familiar with the subject.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!




Sure...the reference is to knowledge in the "biblical sense," and in
plain English, it means carnal or sexual knowledge of..."

HK, graduate etymologist. (Indeed, totally useless knowledge, except for
those who appreciated and wanted what was once called a "classical"
education. I got my trade school knowledge outside of college.)


Tell me more about that flash...


Check it out. http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php...productNr=4801

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Doug Kanter June 11th 04 02:20 AM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...


Quite the contrary. When legitimate parallels between
historical
and
current events are presented to me, I spend a lot of time
reading
historical
references to learn more.




Good. Read up on our adventures in the Phillippines.


The key phrase in my paragraph: *LEGITIMATE PARALLELS*.

But I will "read up on the Phillippines".

Can you provide a specific period or time frame that you're

alluding
to?
My
ADD will not allow me to spend hours sifting through two

centuries
of
US/Filipino history to find a parallel that may or may not

exist.

1898 through present. Try:
"In Our Image - America's Empire in the Phillippines", by

Stanley
Karnow.
There is no better chronicle on the subject.

The problem with obtaining knowledge from such a book lies in the

fact
that
the word "Empire" has such negative connotations. Before I even

open
the
book, I've already formed an opinion about how the author is about

to
spin
our relationship with the Filipinos.


I prefer a little less subjective source that simply gives me
historical
names, dates, and significant occurances as they relate to the

United
States
and the Philippines.

In the little digging around that I've done (in the last 38

seconds),
I'm
already having a hard time seeing a parallel to our current

involvement
in
Iraq. The Filipinos were fighting a revolution against Spain. We

beat
Spain in the Spanish-American war...and then "bought" the

Philippines,
Puerto Rico, and several other islands. In other words, we bought

an
island
that had spent centuries as a Colony, but the prior 3 years

fighting
for
independence from that outside controlling force...and then we

tried
to
colonize them again.

I just don't see the parallel with Iraq. Who is supposed to play

the
role
of Spain? Where was the 3 year revolution prior to our arrival?

And,
finally, how are we "colonizing" Iraq? We're turning the country

over
to
the Iraqis.






Where did you get your information in 38 seconds?

That was a joke in reference to your "attention span" comment from a

little
while ago.




Wherever you got it, it's about 99% incomplete. There's a big difference
between an encylopedia and a book written by an historian.


I got it from a site that used the following books as references:

1. In Our Image: America's Empire In The Philippines. 1989, by Stanley
Karnow. pp. 75-195.
2. The Wars of America. 1981, by Robert Leckie. pp. 563-574.




Think it was enough? You don't have to be a Renaissance man, but at the same
time, it's utterly pathetic to have such a narrow range of knowledge. You
should be ashamed of yourself, and your children should be placed in foster
care.



Bert Robbins June 11th 04 02:29 AM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"jim--" wrote in message
...

And he knew were to go to play professional hockey.

A Florida team wins the Stanley Cup....pretty embarrassing for you

Canucks.


I always said that Yankee dollars were ruining the NHL. Canadian teams
can't compete on the free agent market..what with our lower dollar and
higher taxes. Put your money to some good...not making sports players
multi-millionaires.


Throw off the shackles of socialism and join the free market.



NOYB June 11th 04 03:54 AM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...


Quite the contrary. When legitimate parallels between
historical
and
current events are presented to me, I spend a lot of

time
reading
historical
references to learn more.




Good. Read up on our adventures in the Phillippines.


The key phrase in my paragraph: *LEGITIMATE PARALLELS*.

But I will "read up on the Phillippines".

Can you provide a specific period or time frame that you're
alluding
to?
My
ADD will not allow me to spend hours sifting through two

centuries
of
US/Filipino history to find a parallel that may or may not

exist.

1898 through present. Try:
"In Our Image - America's Empire in the Phillippines", by

Stanley
Karnow.
There is no better chronicle on the subject.

The problem with obtaining knowledge from such a book lies in

the
fact
that
the word "Empire" has such negative connotations. Before I even

open
the
book, I've already formed an opinion about how the author is

about
to
spin
our relationship with the Filipinos.


I prefer a little less subjective source that simply gives me
historical
names, dates, and significant occurances as they relate to the

United
States
and the Philippines.

In the little digging around that I've done (in the last 38

seconds),
I'm
already having a hard time seeing a parallel to our current
involvement
in
Iraq. The Filipinos were fighting a revolution against Spain.

We
beat
Spain in the Spanish-American war...and then "bought" the

Philippines,
Puerto Rico, and several other islands. In other words, we

bought
an
island
that had spent centuries as a Colony, but the prior 3 years

fighting
for
independence from that outside controlling force...and then we

tried
to
colonize them again.

I just don't see the parallel with Iraq. Who is supposed to

play
the
role
of Spain? Where was the 3 year revolution prior to our arrival?

And,
finally, how are we "colonizing" Iraq? We're turning the

country
over
to
the Iraqis.






Where did you get your information in 38 seconds?

That was a joke in reference to your "attention span" comment from a


little
while ago.




Wherever you got it, it's about 99% incomplete. There's a big

difference
between an encylopedia and a book written by an historian.


I got it from a site that used the following books as references:

1. In Our Image: America's Empire In The Philippines. 1989, by Stanley
Karnow. pp. 75-195.
2. The Wars of America. 1981, by Robert Leckie. pp. 563-574.




Think it was enough? You don't have to be a Renaissance man, but at the

same
time, it's utterly pathetic to have such a narrow range of knowledge.


I have a narrow range of knowledge of a broad range of topics...and a broad
range of knowledge of a narrow range of topics.



You
should be ashamed of yourself, and your children should be placed in

foster
care.


Since you brought my kids into this...
Go **** yourself.



Paul Fritz June 11th 04 12:10 PM

OT-- Atlanta
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.


Atlanta Summary:

Wafflehouse, and

Buckhead... (where "An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of

manure")




Hey...don't knock Waffle House...my favorite spot on the highway to

load
up on cholesterol.

In fact, I've thought many times of getting a Waffle House franchise.


Blech! The last time I went to one was about 15 years ago. The coffee

was
cold, the toast was burnt, the bacon was fatty, and the waffles were
uncooked in the middle.

I'd rather eat at McDonald's. Their food is barely edible...but at

least
it's consistently "barely edible". Waffle House is completely
inedible...and inconsistently so.

My top choice for national breakfast franchises is Perkins...but it

costs a
lot more to start one of those.


Original Pancake House is by far the best :-) But few and far between








basskisser June 11th 04 01:14 PM

OT-- Atlanta
 
"NOYB" wrote in message thlink.net...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.


Atlanta Summary:

Wafflehouse, and

Buckhead... (where "An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of manure")




Hey...don't knock Waffle House...my favorite spot on the highway to load
up on cholesterol.

In fact, I've thought many times of getting a Waffle House franchise.


Blech! The last time I went to one was about 15 years ago. The coffee was
cold, the toast was burnt, the bacon was fatty, and the waffles were
uncooked in the middle.

I'd rather eat at McDonald's. Their food is barely edible...but at least
it's consistently "barely edible". Waffle House is completely
inedible...and inconsistently so.

My top choice for national breakfast franchises is Perkins...but it costs a
lot more to start one of those.


Face it, NOYB, you simply HATE everything that isn't in your white
bread, missionary position only, blinders on republican back yard.

basskisser June 11th 04 01:15 PM

OT-- Atlanta
 
"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message

Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.


Atlanta Summary:

Wafflehouse, and

Buckhead... (where "An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of manure")


As I said, you don't know a damned thing about Atlanta. It's truly sad
when someone can be so prejudiced, and not even know about WHAT!

Doug Kanter June 11th 04 02:40 PM

OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...


Quite the contrary. When legitimate parallels between
historical
and
current events are presented to me, I spend a lot of

time
reading
historical
references to learn more.




Good. Read up on our adventures in the Phillippines.


The key phrase in my paragraph: *LEGITIMATE PARALLELS*.

But I will "read up on the Phillippines".

Can you provide a specific period or time frame that

you're
alluding
to?
My
ADD will not allow me to spend hours sifting through two
centuries
of
US/Filipino history to find a parallel that may or may not
exist.

1898 through present. Try:
"In Our Image - America's Empire in the Phillippines", by

Stanley
Karnow.
There is no better chronicle on the subject.

The problem with obtaining knowledge from such a book lies in

the
fact
that
the word "Empire" has such negative connotations. Before I

even
open
the
book, I've already formed an opinion about how the author is

about
to
spin
our relationship with the Filipinos.


I prefer a little less subjective source that simply gives me
historical
names, dates, and significant occurances as they relate to the
United
States
and the Philippines.

In the little digging around that I've done (in the last 38
seconds),
I'm
already having a hard time seeing a parallel to our current
involvement
in
Iraq. The Filipinos were fighting a revolution against Spain.

We
beat
Spain in the Spanish-American war...and then "bought" the
Philippines,
Puerto Rico, and several other islands. In other words, we

bought
an
island
that had spent centuries as a Colony, but the prior 3 years

fighting
for
independence from that outside controlling force...and then we

tried
to
colonize them again.

I just don't see the parallel with Iraq. Who is supposed to

play
the
role
of Spain? Where was the 3 year revolution prior to our

arrival?
And,
finally, how are we "colonizing" Iraq? We're turning the

country
over
to
the Iraqis.






Where did you get your information in 38 seconds?

That was a joke in reference to your "attention span" comment from

a

little
while ago.




Wherever you got it, it's about 99% incomplete. There's a big

difference
between an encylopedia and a book written by an historian.


I got it from a site that used the following books as references:

1. In Our Image: America's Empire In The Philippines. 1989, by Stanley
Karnow. pp. 75-195.
2. The Wars of America. 1981, by Robert Leckie. pp. 563-574.




Think it was enough? You don't have to be a Renaissance man, but at the

same
time, it's utterly pathetic to have such a narrow range of knowledge.


I have a narrow range of knowledge of a broad range of topics...and a

broad
range of knowledge of a narrow range of topics.



You
should be ashamed of yourself, and your children should be placed in

foster
care.


Since you brought my kids into this...
Go **** yourself.



I only brought them into this because they will probably inherit your
attitude toward learning. And, on that subject, if you can't muster the
effort to dig deeper into an important piece of American history, it must be
assumed that you probably bought your license to practice dentistry, too.



John H June 11th 04 06:24 PM

OT-- Atlanta
 
http://maddox.xmission.com/dip****.html
http://www.bartleby.com/61/22/D0242250.html
John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

NOYB June 12th 04 01:33 AM

OT-- Atlanta
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message

thlink.net...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.


Atlanta Summary:

Wafflehouse, and

Buckhead... (where "An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of

manure")




Hey...don't knock Waffle House...my favorite spot on the highway to

load
up on cholesterol.

In fact, I've thought many times of getting a Waffle House franchise.


Blech! The last time I went to one was about 15 years ago. The coffee

was
cold, the toast was burnt, the bacon was fatty, and the waffles were
uncooked in the middle.

I'd rather eat at McDonald's. Their food is barely edible...but at

least
it's consistently "barely edible". Waffle House is completely
inedible...and inconsistently so.

My top choice for national breakfast franchises is Perkins...but it

costs a
lot more to start one of those.


Face it, NOYB, you simply HATE everything that isn't in your white
bread, missionary position only, blinders on republican back yard.



I didn't know that Waffle House chooses it's locations based on the sexual
position preferences of the local population. I also didn't know that
non-whites and non-republicans have a monopoly on non-missionary position
intercourse.

BTW--There's a Waffle House 7 miles from my house. Before I moved, it was 4
1/2 miles away.



John H June 12th 04 02:37 AM

OT-- Atlanta
 
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:33:33 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
. com...
"NOYB" wrote in message

rthlink.net...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John Gaquin wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then.


Atlanta Summary:

Wafflehouse, and

Buckhead... (where "An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of

manure")




Hey...don't knock Waffle House...my favorite spot on the highway to

load
up on cholesterol.

In fact, I've thought many times of getting a Waffle House franchise.

Blech! The last time I went to one was about 15 years ago. The coffee

was
cold, the toast was burnt, the bacon was fatty, and the waffles were
uncooked in the middle.

I'd rather eat at McDonald's. Their food is barely edible...but at

least
it's consistently "barely edible". Waffle House is completely
inedible...and inconsistently so.

My top choice for national breakfast franchises is Perkins...but it

costs a
lot more to start one of those.


Face it, NOYB, you simply HATE everything that isn't in your white
bread, missionary position only, blinders on republican back yard.



I didn't know that Waffle House chooses it's locations based on the sexual
position preferences of the local population. I also didn't know that
non-whites and non-republicans have a monopoly on non-missionary position
intercourse.

BTW--There's a Waffle House 7 miles from my house. Before I moved, it was 4
1/2 miles away.


I spent a few glorious months just outside Atlanta in a place called Fort
Benning (well, maybe a little more than just outside). I can honestly state that
there are some great places in Columbus to get all the fried catfish and
hushpuppies you can eat!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


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