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OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
"DSK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: 1) James Madison 2) Harry Truman 3) William H. Taft 4) Thomas Jefferson The only one on this list who was "brilliant" is Jefferson. And I've never read that he was a poor speaker, but rather the contrary. Ironically, the man you list as the most brilliant on my list, has the greatest number of references to his poor speaking ability: "A poor speaker, Jefferson's written work impressed the Assembly, despite some reservations." http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles...jeffadams.html "Jefferson was a poor speaker, but his literary talents made him a highly valued member of committees when resolutions and other public papers were drafted. " http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...Jefferson.html "Historian Carl Becker once speculated that that was one reason Jefferson was such a poor speaker..." http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/...s/mckenna.html I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor speaker" and "Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine. Truman was definitely NOT a poor speaker, else why would his "whistle stop" campaign tour produce such good results? Wrong again. "In contrast to FDR, Harry Truman never managed to improve his poor speaking ability. He relied on teleprompters and had difficulty navigating the text of a prepared speech. Truman fared better when speaking extemporaneously, but his generally flawed communication consigned him to low public approval rating (20-30 percent) for a significant portion of his presidential career." http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/leadershi...residents.html Taft? You gotta be kidding. I have no doubt he was an intelligent man, but "one of the most brilliant"??? And what is the evidence that he was a notably poor speaker? Since you don't consider him a brilliant man, we needn't address him. Madison could be considered brilliant if he weren't standing in the same room with either Jefferson or Franklin (or for that matter, Hamilton, or for that matter, Burr). Are you kidding? "his political achievements and intellectual legacy are monumental. Revered as the "Father of the Constitution," Madison was also architect of the "Virginia plan"; one of the two principal authors of The Federalist; leader of the inaugural House of Representatives; reluctant champion of the Bill of Rights; cofounder of the Republican Party, Washington's ghostwriter; Jefferson's Secretary of State; and president and commander-in-chief during America's second war of Independence. " http://tinyurl.com/3fgts But again, whence comes any intimation that he was a poor speaker? Whence? "Hardly an imposing figure, Madison was barely five-feet-six-inches tall, pale complected, a poor speaker" http://tinyurl.com/3fgts Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close. Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass. |
OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message k.net... Asians *are* orientals you idiot. Why don't you try running the term "Oriental" by the next few Asians you meet and see sort of reaction you get? "With my right foot, I will kick your face. With my left, I will kick your nose. With my fingers, I will poke your eyes out. Take a good look at my face. I'm an Oriental." Jackie Chan--"They Still Call Me Bruce" (1987) Remember what I told you earlier about my having about 40 years more education than you? You've just provided a perfect example of why I said that. You do NOT get an accurate view of the world from movies. Oh, come on...you can't be intimating that Nobby should read serious books... Or maybe even a real newspaper or magazine whose articles take longer than 38 seconds to read.... That's because of my adult ADD. I scored a whopping 82 on this quiz: http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm I guess I'm in good company though: http://www.oneaddplace.com/famous.htm |
OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
"NOYB" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... Hi Don! Go Lightening! ;-) Rub it in! Did you see who was voted most valuable player? A good 'ole Maritime boy from Prince Edward Island. He gave our Mooseheads jr hockey club fits when we hosted the Memorial Cup in 2000. see http://canoe.ca/CHLMemorialCup00/ |
OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
"John H" wrote in message Some slack, please. I do math (as best I can), not spelling, grammar and punctuation. I'll try to do better, Don. :) Thank you...thank you very much! |
OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
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OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
John H wrote in message
Read it again, John. This exercise is NOT based on opinions. It is based on simple numbers. NOYB will not find 10 examples of modern usage of the word "Grecian". If somehow he does, we only need to count them, not judge them. Doug, do you realize how much you are emulating b'asskisser? John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! You are getting more stupid by the day. Getting any pictures of "children in the biblical sense" lately? |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
"NOYB" wrote in message ...
"DSK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: 1) James Madison 2) Harry Truman 3) William H. Taft 4) Thomas Jefferson The only one on this list who was "brilliant" is Jefferson. And I've never read that he was a poor speaker, but rather the contrary. Ironically, the man you list as the most brilliant on my list, has the greatest number of references to his poor speaking ability: "A poor speaker, Jefferson's written work impressed the Assembly, despite some reservations." http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles...jeffadams.html "Jefferson was a poor speaker, but his literary talents made him a highly valued member of committees when resolutions and other public papers were drafted. " http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...Jefferson.html "Historian Carl Becker once speculated that that was one reason Jefferson was such a poor speaker..." http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/...s/mckenna.html I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor speaker" and "Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine. Truman was definitely NOT a poor speaker, else why would his "whistle stop" campaign tour produce such good results? Wrong again. "In contrast to FDR, Harry Truman never managed to improve his poor speaking ability. He relied on teleprompters and had difficulty navigating the text of a prepared speech. Truman fared better when speaking extemporaneously, but his generally flawed communication consigned him to low public approval rating (20-30 percent) for a significant portion of his presidential career." http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/leadershi...residents.html Taft? You gotta be kidding. I have no doubt he was an intelligent man, but "one of the most brilliant"??? And what is the evidence that he was a notably poor speaker? Since you don't consider him a brilliant man, we needn't address him. Madison could be considered brilliant if he weren't standing in the same room with either Jefferson or Franklin (or for that matter, Hamilton, or for that matter, Burr). Are you kidding? "his political achievements and intellectual legacy are monumental. Revered as the "Father of the Constitution," Madison was also architect of the "Virginia plan"; one of the two principal authors of The Federalist; leader of the inaugural House of Representatives; reluctant champion of the Bill of Rights; cofounder of the Republican Party, Washington's ghostwriter; Jefferson's Secretary of State; and president and commander-in-chief during America's second war of Independence. " http://tinyurl.com/3fgts But again, whence comes any intimation that he was a poor speaker? Whence? "Hardly an imposing figure, Madison was barely five-feet-six-inches tall, pale complected, a poor speaker" http://tinyurl.com/3fgts Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close. Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass. Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he wasn't VERY intelligent?? |
OT-- Atlanta
DSK wrote in message ...
****tard wrote: NO ONE outside Atlanta is calling it a "world class" anything, except maybe a world class ********. Oh c'mon, Atlanta has world-class traffic jams. And in winter time, they have a world-class number of expat Yankees crashing their cars. Personally I consider the Varsity world-class even though they don't have real BBQ. DSK I'm not actually a huge Varsity fan. |
OT-- Atlanta
DSK wrote in message ...
****tard wrote: NO ONE outside Atlanta is calling it a "world class" anything, except maybe a world class ********. Oh c'mon, Atlanta has world-class traffic jams. And in winter time, they have a world-class number of expat Yankees crashing their cars. Personally I consider the Varsity world-class even though they don't have real BBQ. DSK Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then. Been to a play on Peachtree? Been to the Stouffer Resort on Lake Lanier? Been to any of the world-class restaurants (NOT the Varsity!) Seen the lazer show at Stone Mountain? Been to any of several of Georgia Tech's engineering labs? Been to Hartsfield Airport (the world's busiest)? Toured the State Capital, with it's dome from Dahlonega gold (where the FIRST gold rush in the U.S. took place)? Watched the sunrise on the city from atop Stone Mountain? Seen any of many musical groups and musicians that come to Atlanta for a chance to record at some of the best studios in the U.S.? Been to Olympic Park, where kids play in the fountains? Did you go to any Olympic events when we hosted the Olympics? Been to the fabulous Turner Field to watch the Braves? (guess I won't mention the Falcons right now!!) Walked around Sweet Auburn, and/or other historical areas? Really studied the great history of the area? I could go on.... |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
"basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "DSK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: 1) James Madison 2) Harry Truman 3) William H. Taft 4) Thomas Jefferson The only one on this list who was "brilliant" is Jefferson. And I've never read that he was a poor speaker, but rather the contrary. Ironically, the man you list as the most brilliant on my list, has the greatest number of references to his poor speaking ability: "A poor speaker, Jefferson's written work impressed the Assembly, despite some reservations." http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles...jeffadams.html "Jefferson was a poor speaker, but his literary talents made him a highly valued member of committees when resolutions and other public papers were drafted. " http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...Jefferson.html "Historian Carl Becker once speculated that that was one reason Jefferson was such a poor speaker..." http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/...s/mckenna.html I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor speaker" and "Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine. Truman was definitely NOT a poor speaker, else why would his "whistle stop" campaign tour produce such good results? Wrong again. "In contrast to FDR, Harry Truman never managed to improve his poor speaking ability. He relied on teleprompters and had difficulty navigating the text of a prepared speech. Truman fared better when speaking extemporaneously, but his generally flawed communication consigned him to low public approval rating (20-30 percent) for a significant portion of his presidential career." http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/leadershi...residents.html Taft? You gotta be kidding. I have no doubt he was an intelligent man, but "one of the most brilliant"??? And what is the evidence that he was a notably poor speaker? Since you don't consider him a brilliant man, we needn't address him. Madison could be considered brilliant if he weren't standing in the same room with either Jefferson or Franklin (or for that matter, Hamilton, or for that matter, Burr). Are you kidding? "his political achievements and intellectual legacy are monumental. Revered as the "Father of the Constitution," Madison was also architect of the "Virginia plan"; one of the two principal authors of The Federalist; leader of the inaugural House of Representatives; reluctant champion of the Bill of Rights; cofounder of the Republican Party, Washington's ghostwriter; Jefferson's Secretary of State; and president and commander-in-chief during America's second war of Independence. " http://tinyurl.com/3fgts But again, whence comes any intimation that he was a poor speaker? Whence? "Hardly an imposing figure, Madison was barely five-feet-six-inches tall, pale complected, a poor speaker" http://tinyurl.com/3fgts Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close. Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass. Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he wasn't VERY intelligent?? Hey NOYB, you got a bite. This one is not a keeper though. Thanks for the good laugh asskisser. You really do not have a clue, do you? |
OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
"Don White" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... Hi Don! Go Lightening! ;-) Rub it in! Did you see who was voted most valuable player? A good 'ole Maritime boy from Prince Edward Island. He gave our Mooseheads jr hockey club fits when we hosted the Memorial Cup in 2000. see http://canoe.ca/CHLMemorialCup00/ And he knew were to go to play professional hockey. A Florida team wins the Stanley Cup....pretty embarrassing for you Canucks. |
OT-- Atlanta
"basskisser" wrote in message om... DSK wrote in message ... ****tard wrote: NO ONE outside Atlanta is calling it a "world class" anything, except maybe a world class ********. Oh c'mon, Atlanta has world-class traffic jams. And in winter time, they have a world-class number of expat Yankees crashing their cars. Personally I consider the Varsity world-class even though they don't have real BBQ. DSK Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then. Been to a play on Peachtree? Been to the Stouffer Resort on Lake Lanier? Been to any of the world-class restaurants (NOT the Varsity!) Seen the lazer show at Stone Mountain? Been to any of several of Georgia Tech's engineering labs? Been to Hartsfield Airport (the world's busiest)? Toured the State Capital, with it's dome from Dahlonega gold (where the FIRST gold rush in the U.S. took place)? Watched the sunrise on the city from atop Stone Mountain? Seen any of many musical groups and musicians that come to Atlanta for a chance to record at some of the best studios in the U.S.? Been to Olympic Park, where kids play in the fountains? Did you go to any Olympic events when we hosted the Olympics? Been to the fabulous Turner Field to watch the Braves? (guess I won't mention the Falcons right now!!) Walked around Sweet Auburn, and/or other historical areas? Really studied the great history of the area? I could go on.... Add 'inferiority complex' to the list of other mental problems you have asskisser. |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
Yes. To both questions.
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OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
LOL, I almost blew coffee out my nose. Bass is living proof that monkeys do
mate with chimpanzee. "basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "DSK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: 1) James Madison 2) Harry Truman 3) William H. Taft 4) Thomas Jefferson The only one on this list who was "brilliant" is Jefferson. And I've never read that he was a poor speaker, but rather the contrary. Ironically, the man you list as the most brilliant on my list, has the greatest number of references to his poor speaking ability: "A poor speaker, Jefferson's written work impressed the Assembly, despite some reservations." http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles...jeffadams.html "Jefferson was a poor speaker, but his literary talents made him a highly valued member of committees when resolutions and other public papers were drafted. " http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...Jefferson.html "Historian Carl Becker once speculated that that was one reason Jefferson was such a poor speaker..." http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/...s/mckenna.html I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor speaker" and "Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine. Truman was definitely NOT a poor speaker, else why would his "whistle stop" campaign tour produce such good results? Wrong again. "In contrast to FDR, Harry Truman never managed to improve his poor speaking ability. He relied on teleprompters and had difficulty navigating the text of a prepared speech. Truman fared better when speaking extemporaneously, but his generally flawed communication consigned him to low public approval rating (20-30 percent) for a significant portion of his presidential career." http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/leadershi...residents.html Taft? You gotta be kidding. I have no doubt he was an intelligent man, but "one of the most brilliant"??? And what is the evidence that he was a notably poor speaker? Since you don't consider him a brilliant man, we needn't address him. Madison could be considered brilliant if he weren't standing in the same room with either Jefferson or Franklin (or for that matter, Hamilton, or for that matter, Burr). Are you kidding? "his political achievements and intellectual legacy are monumental. Revered as the "Father of the Constitution," Madison was also architect of the "Virginia plan"; one of the two principal authors of The Federalist; leader of the inaugural House of Representatives; reluctant champion of the Bill of Rights; cofounder of the Republican Party, Washington's ghostwriter; Jefferson's Secretary of State; and president and commander-in-chief during America's second war of Independence. " http://tinyurl.com/3fgts But again, whence comes any intimation that he was a poor speaker? Whence? "Hardly an imposing figure, Madison was barely five-feet-six-inches tall, pale complected, a poor speaker" http://tinyurl.com/3fgts Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close. Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass. Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he wasn't VERY intelligent?? |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he wasn't VERY intelligent?? Yes. To both questions. You have to be very proud of 'asskisser. He truly represents the brainpower of the left. |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he wasn't VERY intelligent?? Yes. To both questions. You have to be very proud of 'asskisser. He truly represents the brainpower of the left. Nice try, **** for brains, but my response was to the header... Bush is a moron, and he plays one on TV. I haven't been following this string closely. Ar eyou right-wing retards trying to compare Bush's intelligence to Jefferson's? If, on the scale of intelligence, where 100 is the highest possible number, Jefferson would be in the 90s. Bush would be in the 50's. |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
"John Smith" wrote in message news:xtYxc.76404$Ly.26357@attbi_s01... LOL, I almost blew coffee out my nose. Bass is living proof that monkeys do mate with chimpanzee. Not sure about that, but obivously his family tree only has one branch with a few loops in it :-) "basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "DSK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: 1) James Madison 2) Harry Truman 3) William H. Taft 4) Thomas Jefferson The only one on this list who was "brilliant" is Jefferson. And I've never read that he was a poor speaker, but rather the contrary. Ironically, the man you list as the most brilliant on my list, has the greatest number of references to his poor speaking ability: "A poor speaker, Jefferson's written work impressed the Assembly, despite some reservations." http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles...jeffadams.html "Jefferson was a poor speaker, but his literary talents made him a highly valued member of committees when resolutions and other public papers were drafted. " http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...Jefferson.html "Historian Carl Becker once speculated that that was one reason Jefferson was such a poor speaker..." http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/...s/mckenna.html I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor speaker" and "Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine. Truman was definitely NOT a poor speaker, else why would his "whistle stop" campaign tour produce such good results? Wrong again. "In contrast to FDR, Harry Truman never managed to improve his poor speaking ability. He relied on teleprompters and had difficulty navigating the text of a prepared speech. Truman fared better when speaking extemporaneously, but his generally flawed communication consigned him to low public approval rating (20-30 percent) for a significant portion of his presidential career." http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/leadershi...residents.html Taft? You gotta be kidding. I have no doubt he was an intelligent man, but "one of the most brilliant"??? And what is the evidence that he was a notably poor speaker? Since you don't consider him a brilliant man, we needn't address him. Madison could be considered brilliant if he weren't standing in the same room with either Jefferson or Franklin (or for that matter, Hamilton, or for that matter, Burr). Are you kidding? "his political achievements and intellectual legacy are monumental. Revered as the "Father of the Constitution," Madison was also architect of the "Virginia plan"; one of the two principal authors of The Federalist; leader of the inaugural House of Representatives; reluctant champion of the Bill of Rights; cofounder of the Republican Party, Washington's ghostwriter; Jefferson's Secretary of State; and president and commander-in-chief during America's second war of Independence. " http://tinyurl.com/3fgts But again, whence comes any intimation that he was a poor speaker? Whence? "Hardly an imposing figure, Madison was barely five-feet-six-inches tall, pale complected, a poor speaker" http://tinyurl.com/3fgts Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close. Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass. Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he wasn't VERY intelligent?? |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
NOYB wrote:
I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor speaker" and "Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine. 200? Shucks, if you type in "Nobby", "Moron", and "Bestiality" you get more Google hits than that. The history references I am familiar with do not refer to any of these guys as poor speakers. Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close. Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass. Well, you selected this list as "proof" that "poor speakers are the the most brilliant" and your selected list was neither notably brilliant (except Jefferson) nor notably poor speakers (except that Jefferson was rarely an impressive speaker, and may have been occasionally referenced as a poor one). None of the people you listed were referred as mumbling and mispronouncing words, misusing words, and generally giving the impression of being an illiterate dolt when speaking in public. So your theory remains unproven and supported mainly by your willingness to hurl insults. Better line up the sock puppets to join in, it won't prove anything but it'll make you feel better. DSK |
OT-- Atlanta
basskisser wrote:
Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then. I guess not. I only lived there for a while and have only a dozen or so friends in the area that we visit regularly. Been to a play on Peachtree? No, I don't go to plays. Been to the Stouffer Resort on Lake Lanier? No, I don't go to resorts. I have sailed & raced on Lake Lanier many times. It's nice but it's far from "world class." Been to any of the world-class restaurants (NOT the Varsity!) Yep. There are a lot of good restaurants in Atlanta... a lot of overpriced crap, too. I would rate Atlanta pretty far down the scale with regard to restaurants. The Triangle area has much better. And there are other big cities with more too. Seen the lazer show at Stone Mountain? Nope Been to any of several of Georgia Tech's engineering labs? Yep. A fair amount of collaborative projects with NC State. Plus the Georgia Tech sailing team is pretty cool. Been to Hartsfield Airport (the world's busiest)? Yep. People going to hell have to change planes in Atlanta. Doesn't make it a good thing. Toured the State Capital, with it's dome from Dahlonega gold (where the FIRST gold rush in the U.S. took place)? Yep Watched the sunrise on the city from atop Stone Mountain? Yep Seen any of many musical groups and musicians that come to Atlanta for a chance to record at some of the best studios in the U.S.? There are much better music fairs in NC, especially bluegrass. For classic music Atlanta can't even begin to compare with one of the really "world class" venues. Been to Olympic Park, where kids play in the fountains? Kids play in fountains lots of places. Did you go to any Olympic events when we hosted the Olympics? Just the sailing, and that was in Savannah. Been to the fabulous Turner Field to watch the Braves? Yep. Turner doesn't strike me as "fabulous" though. (guess I won't mention the Falcons right now!!) At one point the Braves were in the cellar too. Walked around Sweet Auburn, and/or other historical areas? Really studied the great history of the area? Actually I used to host Civil War tours in the Atlanta area. So yeah, that too. I could go on.... No need. Obviously you're very impressed with Atlanta. That's a good thing, but it doesn't make Atlanta "world class" in all those respects. All I can say is, if you don't like the Varsity then what the heck are you even doing in Georgia? DSK |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
"basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "DSK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: 1) James Madison 2) Harry Truman 3) William H. Taft 4) Thomas Jefferson The only one on this list who was "brilliant" is Jefferson. And I've never read that he was a poor speaker, but rather the contrary. Ironically, the man you list as the most brilliant on my list, has the greatest number of references to his poor speaking ability: "A poor speaker, Jefferson's written work impressed the Assembly, despite some reservations." http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles...jeffadams.html "Jefferson was a poor speaker, but his literary talents made him a highly valued member of committees when resolutions and other public papers were drafted. " http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...Jefferson.html "Historian Carl Becker once speculated that that was one reason Jefferson was such a poor speaker..." http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/...s/mckenna.html I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor speaker" and "Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine. Truman was definitely NOT a poor speaker, else why would his "whistle stop" campaign tour produce such good results? Wrong again. "In contrast to FDR, Harry Truman never managed to improve his poor speaking ability. He relied on teleprompters and had difficulty navigating the text of a prepared speech. Truman fared better when speaking extemporaneously, but his generally flawed communication consigned him to low public approval rating (20-30 percent) for a significant portion of his presidential career." http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/leadershi...residents.html Taft? You gotta be kidding. I have no doubt he was an intelligent man, but "one of the most brilliant"??? And what is the evidence that he was a notably poor speaker? Since you don't consider him a brilliant man, we needn't address him. Madison could be considered brilliant if he weren't standing in the same room with either Jefferson or Franklin (or for that matter, Hamilton, or for that matter, Burr). Are you kidding? "his political achievements and intellectual legacy are monumental. Revered as the "Father of the Constitution," Madison was also architect of the "Virginia plan"; one of the two principal authors of The Federalist; leader of the inaugural House of Representatives; reluctant champion of the Bill of Rights; cofounder of the Republican Party, Washington's ghostwriter; Jefferson's Secretary of State; and president and commander-in-chief during America's second war of Independence. " http://tinyurl.com/3fgts But again, whence comes any intimation that he was a poor speaker? Whence? "Hardly an imposing figure, Madison was barely five-feet-six-inches tall, pale complected, a poor speaker" http://tinyurl.com/3fgts Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close. Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass. Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he wasn't VERY intelligent?? No, you idiot. I've stated that many historically "poor speakers" were brilliant men...which is why you shouldn't judge someone's intelligence based solely on his ability (or lack of ability) to speak in public. |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
"Paul Fritz" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:xtYxc.76404$Ly.26357@attbi_s01... LOL, I almost blew coffee out my nose. Bass is living proof that monkeys do mate with chimpanzee. Not sure about that, but obivously his family tree only has one branch with a few loops in it :-) Too much chlorine in the gene pool. |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
"DSK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor speaker" and "Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine. 200? Shucks, if you type in "Nobby", "Moron", and "Bestiality" you get more Google hits than that. The history references I am familiar with do not refer to any of these guys as poor speakers. Well now you should be familiar with 200 more...several of which are historians who specifically studied Jefferson's life. Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close. Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass. Well, you selected this list as "proof" that "poor speakers are the the most brilliant" and your selected list was neither notably brilliant (except Jefferson) nor notably poor speakers (except that Jefferson was rarely an impressive speaker, and may have been occasionally referenced as a poor one). None of the people you listed were referred as mumbling and mispronouncing words Truman used to butcher words. , misusing words, and generally giving the impression of being an illiterate dolt when speaking in public. The media used to snicker both publicly and behind Truman's back. It's in the paragraph I cited for you. So your theory remains unproven and supported mainly by your willingness to hurl insults. Better line up the sock puppets to join in, it won't prove anything but it'll make you feel better. Blind, ignorant, *and* acting like an ass is no way to go through life, Doug. Right, comrade? I liked it better when you guys on the left all emulated Harry...rather than emulating basskisser. There have been some serious disruptions in your brain patterns lately. |
OT-- Atlanta
"basskisser" wrote in message om... DSK wrote in message ... ****tard wrote: NO ONE outside Atlanta is calling it a "world class" anything, except maybe a world class ********. Oh c'mon, Atlanta has world-class traffic jams. And in winter time, they have a world-class number of expat Yankees crashing their cars. Personally I consider the Varsity world-class even though they don't have real BBQ. DSK Guess you don't know a lot about Atlanta then. Been to a play on Peachtree? Been to the Stouffer Resort on Lake Lanier? That's nearly an hour away! Been to any of the world-class restaurants (NOT the Varsity!) Seen the lazer show at Stone Mountain? Been to any of several of Georgia Tech's engineering labs? Been to Hartsfield Airport (the world's busiest)? And the one that most people dread having to travel through. When I fly to Chicago, if I can't find a direct flight, I'll pass up flights with connecting stops in Atlanta for ones that stop anywhere but. Toured the State Capital, with it's dome from Dahlonega gold (where the FIRST gold rush in the U.S. took place)? Watched the sunrise on the city from atop Stone Mountain? Seen any of many musical groups and musicians that come to Atlanta for a chance to record at some of the best studios in the U.S.? Been to Olympic Park, where kids play in the fountains? Did you go to any Olympic events when we hosted the Olympics? Been to the fabulous Turner Field to watch the Braves? Turner's a dolt. And I hate the Braves. (guess I won't mention the Falcons right now!!) Walked around Sweet Auburn, and/or other historical areas? Really studied the great history of the area? I could go on.... And I'm sure you will... |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
NOYB wrote:
Well now you should be familiar with 200 more...several of which are historians who specifically studied Jefferson's life. Sure. And so, the few who say that Jefferson was definitely a poor speaker absolutely over rule the ones that either make no mention or cite incidents when Jefferson made some good & effective speeches? The problem is that your blinders are strapped on a little too tightly. To get back to your original point... of the list you cited, only Jefferson could be considered "brilliant." And it's arguable whether he was a poor speaker or not.... everybody has an off day y'know. If this is how you support your contention that GWB must be brilliant because he talks like a moron, then it looks like you've lost again. Blind, ignorant, *and* acting like an ass is no way to go through life, Doug. Nice. Can I quote you on that? ... Right, comrade? You're the closet Socialist, not I. I liked it better when you guys on the left all emulated Harry...rather than emulating basskisser. Which guys? I'm not 'on the left' and I have never emulated either. Your blinders are definitely too tight. "All looks yellow to a jaundiced eye" -old folk saying. There have been some serious disruptions in your brain patterns lately. Then why are you the one losing the debate? DSK |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
NOYB,
It is so funny watching asskisser make a fool out of himself, how anyone could misread your post is beyond me ( but then again, we are talking about asskisser, the guy who argued for weeks that schnapps is a whiskey, and can't seem to understand that Gore-Tex makes a thread.) "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "basskisser" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "DSK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: 1) James Madison 2) Harry Truman 3) William H. Taft 4) Thomas Jefferson The only one on this list who was "brilliant" is Jefferson. And I've never read that he was a poor speaker, but rather the contrary. Ironically, the man you list as the most brilliant on my list, has the greatest number of references to his poor speaking ability: "A poor speaker, Jefferson's written work impressed the Assembly, despite some reservations." http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles...jeffadams.html "Jefferson was a poor speaker, but his literary talents made him a highly valued member of committees when resolutions and other public papers were drafted. " http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...Jefferson.html "Historian Carl Becker once speculated that that was one reason Jefferson was such a poor speaker..." http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/...s/mckenna.html I'd keep going, but google returned almost 200 hits with "poor speaker" and "Thomas Jefferson" in the search engine. Truman was definitely NOT a poor speaker, else why would his "whistle stop" campaign tour produce such good results? Wrong again. "In contrast to FDR, Harry Truman never managed to improve his poor speaking ability. He relied on teleprompters and had difficulty navigating the text of a prepared speech. Truman fared better when speaking extemporaneously, but his generally flawed communication consigned him to low public approval rating (20-30 percent) for a significant portion of his presidential career." http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/leadershi...residents.html Taft? You gotta be kidding. I have no doubt he was an intelligent man, but "one of the most brilliant"??? And what is the evidence that he was a notably poor speaker? Since you don't consider him a brilliant man, we needn't address him. Madison could be considered brilliant if he weren't standing in the same room with either Jefferson or Franklin (or for that matter, Hamilton, or for that matter, Burr). Are you kidding? "his political achievements and intellectual legacy are monumental. Revered as the "Father of the Constitution," Madison was also architect of the "Virginia plan"; one of the two principal authors of The Federalist; leader of the inaugural House of Representatives; reluctant champion of the Bill of Rights; cofounder of the Republican Party, Washington's ghostwriter; Jefferson's Secretary of State; and president and commander-in-chief during America's second war of Independence. " http://tinyurl.com/3fgts But again, whence comes any intimation that he was a poor speaker? Whence? "Hardly an imposing figure, Madison was barely five-feet-six-inches tall, pale complected, a poor speaker" http://tinyurl.com/3fgts Sorry, Nobby, no cigar. Not even close. Then you're blind...or ignorant...or just plain being an ass. Are you saying that just because Jefferson was a poor speaker, that he wasn't VERY intelligent?? No, you idiot. I've stated that many historically "poor speakers" were brilliant men...which is why you shouldn't judge someone's intelligence based solely on his ability (or lack of ability) to speak in public. |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
"NOYB" wrote in message
... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:03:38 +0000, NOYB wrote: Did any of the last 4 or 5 Presidents? Clinton had 8 years and we're more reliant on oil today than when he took office. If we had followed Carter's initiatives we might now be energy independent. Of course we would. Afterall, bankrupt countires don't need oil and gas. Ummm...it was Reagan who thought running the country on a Visa card was a swell idea. |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... ...now referred to as "fluency" by speech pathologists... Are you f-ing kidding me? So a "stuttering oriental" is now a "fluent asian"? More PC bull****. OK. So, it would be OK with you if a pediatrician said to you, "Hey...peckerhead....you're kid's a retard". :-) |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:03:38 +0000, NOYB wrote: Did any of the last 4 or 5 Presidents? Clinton had 8 years and we're more reliant on oil today than when he took office. If we had followed Carter's initiatives we might now be energy independent. Of course we would. Afterall, bankrupt countires don't need oil and gas. Ummm...it was Reagan who thought running the country on a Visa card was a swell idea. Carter presided over one of the lowest points economically in this nation's history. Reagan brought a new beginning. We were like a company in its infancy once again. New companies have to spend with credit when they're starting out. |
OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
"NOYB" wrote in message
... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message k.net... Asians *are* orientals you idiot. Why don't you try running the term "Oriental" by the next few Asians you meet and see sort of reaction you get? "With my right foot, I will kick your face. With my left, I will kick your nose. With my fingers, I will poke your eyes out. Take a good look at my face. I'm an Oriental." Jackie Chan--"They Still Call Me Bruce" (1987) Remember what I told you earlier about my having about 40 years more education than you? You've just provided a perfect example of why I said that. You do NOT get an accurate view of the world from movies. Oh, come on...you can't be intimating that Nobby should read serious books... Or maybe even a real newspaper or magazine whose articles take longer than 38 seconds to read.... That's because of my adult ADD. I scored a whopping 82 on this quiz: http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm I guess I'm in good company though: http://www.oneaddplace.com/famous.htm Time for excuses, eh? |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... ...now referred to as "fluency" by speech pathologists... Are you f-ing kidding me? So a "stuttering oriental" is now a "fluent asian"? More PC bull****. OK. So, it would be OK with you if a pediatrician said to you, "Hey...peckerhead....you're kid's a retard". :-) That depends. If his head was really a penis, and his kid was really retarded, then it would be appropriate IMO. |
OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
"jim--" wrote in message ... And he knew were to go to play professional hockey. A Florida team wins the Stanley Cup....pretty embarrassing for you Canucks. I always said that Yankee dollars were ruining the NHL. Canadian teams can't compete on the free agent market..what with our lower dollar and higher taxes. Put your money to some good...not making sports players multi-millionaires. |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
"DSK" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: Well now you should be familiar with 200 more...several of which are historians who specifically studied Jefferson's life. Sure. And so, the few who say that Jefferson was definitely a poor speaker absolutely over rule the ones that either make no mention or cite incidents when Jefferson made some good & effective speeches? What's really ridiculous about your claim is that when I type "good speaker" and "thomas jefferson" into google, the first two results I get have the words "not a" before "good speaker". Show me an instance where somebody described Jefferson as a good speaker. The problem is that your blinders are strapped on a little too tightly. To get back to your original point... of the list you cited, only Jefferson could be considered "brilliant." And it's arguable whether he was a poor speaker or not.... everybody has an off day y'know. One "off day" wouldn't lead to 200 references being made to Jefferson being a "poor speaker"...so it's not "arguable whether he was a poor speaker or not". He was "brilliant"...and he was a "poor speaker". Why don't you just accept the fact that the possibility exists? You look silly when you assume that every poor public speaker you meet is a dummy. Underestimating people is a dangerous way to live in a competitive world. If this is how you support your contention that GWB must be brilliant because he talks like a moron No. But the possibility exists...as demonstrated by numerous "poor speaking" but brilliant and effective people in the annals of history. then it looks like you've lost again. I'm not trying to win, Doug. I'm trying to open your mind a little bit. Although, after your last few posts, I'm pretty concerned that opening it might create such a large void that the entire Eastern seaboard could get sucked right in. Blind, ignorant, *and* acting like an ass is no way to go through life, Doug. Nice. Can I quote you on that? Of course. But when you do, please make sure you tell people it was in reference to you. ... Right, comrade? You're the closet Socialist, not I. Right, right, right...I almost forgot. I'm so far right that I'm left. Or is that three rights make a left? Or twee wites don't make a wong. I liked it better when you guys on the left all emulated Harry...rather than emulating basskisser. Which guys? I'm not 'on the left' and I have never emulated either. Your blinders are definitely too tight. "All looks yellow to a jaundiced eye" -old folk saying. There have been some serious disruptions in your brain patterns lately. Then why are you the one losing the debate? LOL. I'm the one who has posted numberous references to substantiate my argument. You're the one who has dismissed 'em all with a couple of keystrokes...and a wave of your hand no doubt. |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
NOYB wrote:
No. But the possibility exists...as demonstrated by numerous "poor speaking" but brilliant and effective people in the annals of history. Oh, I grant the possibility exists. But that doesn't prove that a poor speaker is necessarily brilliant. And it certainly doesn't prove that GWB whose speaking ability is well below poor, is anything but a moron. This was your original point, remember? And as for "numerous" you have come up with 1... ONE... count 'em, singleton... and that one is dubious... I'm not trying to win, Doug. Good, because you're succeeding at not winning. LOL. I'm the one who has posted numberous references Then how come your "numerous references" 1- still don't prove your point and 2- are at least somewhat at odds with other accepted historical viewpoints? DSK |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
"DSK" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: No. But the possibility exists...as demonstrated by numerous "poor speaking" but brilliant and effective people in the annals of history. Oh, I grant the possibility exists. Good, then we're getting somewhere. But that doesn't prove that a poor speaker is necessarily brilliant. I didn't say that it did. And it certainly doesn't prove that GWB whose speaking ability is well below poor, is anything but a moron. But it doesn't prove him to be a moron either. This was your original point, remember? No, my original point is that you guys are judging his intelligence based upon his speaking ability before cameras and large audiences...and ignoring the fact that people who have spoken to him personally in small groups and one-on-one are quoted as saying he is anything but dumb. And as for "numerous" you have come up with 1... ONE... count 'em, singleton... and that one is dubious... I'm not trying to win, Doug. Good, because you're succeeding at not winning. LOL. I'm the one who has posted numberous references Then how come your "numerous references" 1- still don't prove your point and 2- are at least somewhat at odds with other accepted historical viewpoints? What other accepted historical viewpoints? Yours? I've posted "several" references...and you can't come up with *ONE* reference to prove *your* case?!?!? That's an interesting debate-scoring-system you use. And you say that I'm the one with the blinders? |
OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message k.net... Asians *are* orientals you idiot. Why don't you try running the term "Oriental" by the next few Asians you meet and see sort of reaction you get? "With my right foot, I will kick your face. With my left, I will kick your nose. With my fingers, I will poke your eyes out. Take a good look at my face. I'm an Oriental." Jackie Chan--"They Still Call Me Bruce" (1987) Remember what I told you earlier about my having about 40 years more education than you? You've just provided a perfect example of why I said that. You do NOT get an accurate view of the world from movies. Oh, come on...you can't be intimating that Nobby should read serious books... Or maybe even a real newspaper or magazine whose articles take longer than 38 seconds to read.... That's because of my adult ADD. I scored a whopping 82 on this quiz: http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm I guess I'm in good company though: http://www.oneaddplace.com/famous.htm Time for excuses, eh? It's not an excuse. If a topic doesn't interest me, I don't have the ability to focus my thoughts on it for very long. If I find it interesting, I have the ability to "hyper-focus" my thoughts on it and analyze the details like nobody else. In my profession, this trait is all that matters. |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
NOYB wrote:
No, my original point is that you guys are judging his intelligence based upon his speaking ability before cameras and large audiences... No, I'm judging his intelligence and his character based on that, and what he does. ...and ignoring the fact that people who have spoken to him personally in small groups and one-on-one are quoted as saying he is anything but dumb. Some do. Some don't. When Bush starts doing something smart, or succeeding at anything other than enriching himself & his cronies at the expense of the nation, then I'll consider the idea that he might not be stupid. As it stands, he has used his family connections & wealth to buy into the halls of power, and behaved like a pig at a trough. That doesn't take much brains. DSK |
OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message k.net... Asians *are* orientals you idiot. Why don't you try running the term "Oriental" by the next few Asians you meet and see sort of reaction you get? "With my right foot, I will kick your face. With my left, I will kick your nose. With my fingers, I will poke your eyes out. Take a good look at my face. I'm an Oriental." Jackie Chan--"They Still Call Me Bruce" (1987) Remember what I told you earlier about my having about 40 years more education than you? You've just provided a perfect example of why I said that. You do NOT get an accurate view of the world from movies. Oh, come on...you can't be intimating that Nobby should read serious books... Or maybe even a real newspaper or magazine whose articles take longer than 38 seconds to read.... That's because of my adult ADD. I scored a whopping 82 on this quiz: http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm I guess I'm in good company though: http://www.oneaddplace.com/famous.htm Time for excuses, eh? It's not an excuse. If a topic doesn't interest me, I don't have the ability to focus my thoughts on it for very long. If I find it interesting, I have the ability to "hyper-focus" my thoughts on it and analyze the details like nobody else. In my profession, this trait is all that matters. Does this explain why you have little or no ability to apply the lessons of history to current events? |
OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message k.net... Asians *are* orientals you idiot. Why don't you try running the term "Oriental" by the next few Asians you meet and see sort of reaction you get? "With my right foot, I will kick your face. With my left, I will kick your nose. With my fingers, I will poke your eyes out. Take a good look at my face. I'm an Oriental." Jackie Chan--"They Still Call Me Bruce" (1987) Remember what I told you earlier about my having about 40 years more education than you? You've just provided a perfect example of why I said that. You do NOT get an accurate view of the world from movies. Oh, come on...you can't be intimating that Nobby should read serious books... Or maybe even a real newspaper or magazine whose articles take longer than 38 seconds to read.... That's because of my adult ADD. I scored a whopping 82 on this quiz: http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm I guess I'm in good company though: http://www.oneaddplace.com/famous.htm Time for excuses, eh? It's not an excuse. If a topic doesn't interest me, I don't have the ability to focus my thoughts on it for very long. If I find it interesting, I have the ability to "hyper-focus" my thoughts on it and analyze the details like nobody else. In my profession, this trait is all that matters. Does this explain why you have little or no ability to apply the lessons of history to current events? Quite the contrary. When legitimate parallels between historical and current events are presented to me, I spend a lot of time reading historical references to learn more. |
OT--why the 18-29 year olds support Kerry
"NOYB" wrote in message k.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message k.net... Asians *are* orientals you idiot. Why don't you try running the term "Oriental" by the next few Asians you meet and see sort of reaction you get? "With my right foot, I will kick your face. With my left, I will kick your nose. With my fingers, I will poke your eyes out. Take a good look at my face. I'm an Oriental." Jackie Chan--"They Still Call Me Bruce" (1987) Remember what I told you earlier about my having about 40 years more education than you? You've just provided a perfect example of why I said that. You do NOT get an accurate view of the world from movies. Oh, come on...you can't be intimating that Nobby should read serious books... Or maybe even a real newspaper or magazine whose articles take longer than 38 seconds to read.... That's because of my adult ADD. I scored a whopping 82 on this quiz: http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm I guess I'm in good company though: http://www.oneaddplace.com/famous.htm Time for excuses, eh? It's not an excuse. If a topic doesn't interest me, I don't have the ability to focus my thoughts on it for very long. If I find it interesting, I have the ability to "hyper-focus" my thoughts on it and analyze the details like nobody else. In my profession, this trait is all that matters. Does this explain why you have little or no ability to apply the lessons of history to current events? Quite the contrary. When legitimate parallels between historical and current events are presented to me, I spend a lot of time reading historical references to learn more. Good. Read up on our adventures in the Phillippines. |
OT-- Is GWB really a moron or does he just play one on TV?
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:26:55 +0000, NOYB wrote:
What's really ridiculous about your claim is that when I type "good speaker" and "thomas jefferson" into google, the first two results I get have the words "not a" before "good speaker". Show me an instance where somebody described Jefferson as a good speaker. I'm wondering if our modern definition of a "good speaker" is the same as Jefferson's contemporaries. In the time before mass media, oratory was the way a politician addressed the public. Speeches sometimes lasted hours and could incite riots. Perhaps Jefferson was less effective in this aspect. Bush's lack of ability in public speaking doesn't necessarily reflect on his intelligence, nor do his frequent "misspeaks", factual errors, grammatical errors, and miss-pronunciations. They do, however, exhibit an intellectual laziness and lack of preparation unworthy of the President of the United States. |
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