"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...

Now, do you have a list of the occupations included in the "mfg. jobs"
section
of the report you noted? I went to the bls website
you referred to, and found a gazillion reports, files, etc etc etc going
back
many years. Can you offer a more definitive link that will demonstrate
that in
spite of the administration's stated intention to reclassify burger
flipping as
a manufacturing job, they have not, in fact, done so? (Or had not done so
in
the time period covered by the report?)

I'd really like to be wrong on this one. It would be better all around if
the
administration wasn't pumping up the number of manufacturing jobs merely
by
expanding the number of job classifications defined as "manufacturing."



Here is the reply I received from the BLS concerning the classification of
fast food jobs-


From: Brown, Harold - BLS
Cc: cesinfo ; Brown, Harold - BLS
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:42 PM
Subject: Question on manufacturing jobs


Thanks for your information request. Data on Eating and Drinking
establishments, formally SIC 58 in Retail Trade, are now included in NAICS
722 (Food Services and Drinking Places) and not classified as
Manufacturing jobs. Information about this NAICS code can be found at the
following link: http://www.census.gov/epcd/naics02/def/NDEF722.HTM

You can also obtain data on this industry from our survey by accessing the
following link: http://www.bls.gov/ces/cestips.htm

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me directly
by email or phone.





Harold Brown
Economist
(202)-691-6544

"Joe" wrote in message
...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...

Now, do you have a list of the occupations included in the "mfg. jobs"
section
of the report you noted? I went to the bls website
you referred to, and found a gazillion reports, files, etc etc etc going
back
many years. Can you offer a more definitive link that will demonstrate
that in
spite of the administration's stated intention to reclassify burger
flipping as
a manufacturing job, they have not, in fact, done so? (Or had not done
so
in
the time period covered by the report?)

I'd really like to be wrong on this one. It would be better all around
if
the
administration wasn't pumping up the number of manufacturing jobs merely
by
expanding the number of job classifications defined as "manufacturing."



Here is the reply I received from the BLS concerning the classification of
fast food jobs-


From: Brown, Harold - BLS
Cc: cesinfo ; Brown, Harold - BLS
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:42 PM
Subject: Question on manufacturing jobs


Thanks for your information request. Data on Eating and Drinking
establishments, formally SIC 58 in Retail Trade, are now included in NAICS
722 (Food Services and Drinking Places) and not classified as
Manufacturing jobs. Information about this NAICS code can be found at the
following link: http://www.census.gov/epcd/naics02/def/NDEF722.HTM

You can also obtain data on this industry from our survey by accessing the
following link: http://www.bls.gov/ces/cestips.htm

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me directly
by email or phone.





Harold Brown
Economist
(202)-691-6544




Gulp! Does that mean Gould "lied" when he said that burger flippers *were*
reclassified as manufacturing jobs?

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

Gulp! Does that mean Gould "lied" when he said that burger flippers
*were*
reclassified as manufacturing jobs?

Maybe just gullible.

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

Gulp! Does that mean Gould "lied" when he said that burger flippers
*were*
reclassified as manufacturing jobs?

Maybe just gullible.


More precisely, misled by the administration's own recommendation that
fast food jobs should now be considered manufacturing.

(Sort of like "ketchup counts as a vegetable in a school lunch")

Whatever the source of my misinformation, I do hereby admit to being
underinformed and reaching an erroneous conclusion. You guys have to be correct
once in a while, how the heck else could you be called the "right" wing? :-)

Now, if I said that DC hookers were being counted as a "service industry",
*that* would be a lie.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

Gulp! Does that mean Gould "lied" when he said that burger flippers
*were*
reclassified as manufacturing jobs?

Maybe just gullible.


More precisely, misled by the administration's own recommendation that
fast food jobs should now be considered manufacturing.

(Sort of like "ketchup counts as a vegetable in a school lunch")

Whatever the source of my misinformation, I do hereby admit to being
underinformed and reaching an erroneous conclusion. You guys have to be
correct
once in a while, how the heck else could you be called the "right" wing?
:-)


Geez, Gould, I gave you a flat-out "apology" (that you were going to bronze)
in the boat speed thread. You, OTH, in true liberal fashion, blame somebody
else.



Now, if I said that DC hookers were being counted as a "service industry",
*that* would be a lie.

But it would be more realistic and believable, don't you agree?

Geez, Gould, I gave you a flat-out "apology" (that you were going to bronze)
in the boat speed thread. You, OTH, in true liberal fashion, blame somebody
else.

An apology is only appropriate when one has committed an offensive personal
act.
(Such as calling somebody a liar).

Absent such egregious, brutish behavior, an admission of error is sufficient. I
admitted my error, and explained the basis upon which it was founded.

Being incorrect once in a while isn't a sin, nor should taking a position
ultimately proved to be wrong be construed as an insult by those on the other
side of the question.

The entire purpose of discussion is to explore truth, not determine who should
be taken out an shot for being less correct on an issue.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Geez, Gould, I gave you a flat-out "apology" (that you were going to
bronze)
in the boat speed thread. You, OTH, in true liberal fashion, blame
somebody
else.

An apology is only appropriate when one has committed an offensive
personal
act.

Then I retract my apology for initially providing you with inaccurate data
on the boat speed/economy thread.

A Republican and a Democrat were walking down the
street when they came upon a homeless person. The
Republican gave the homeless person his business card
and told him to come to his business for a job. He
then took twenty dollars out of his pocket and gave it
to the homeless person.

The Democrat was very impressed, and when they came to
another homeless person, he decided to help. He walked
over to the homeless person and gave him directions to
the welfare office. Then he then reached into the
Republican's pocket and got out twenty dollars, gave
the homeless person five and kept 15 for administrative
overhead.

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

Geez, Gould, I gave you a flat-out "apology" (that you were going to
bronze)
in the boat speed thread. You, OTH, in true liberal fashion, blame
somebody
else.


It's more than I expected.

Last time he was proven wrong on BLS statistics he faded into the
background.

"Joe" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

Geez, Gould, I gave you a flat-out "apology" (that you were going to
bronze)
in the boat speed thread. You, OTH, in true liberal fashion, blame
somebody
else.


It's more than I expected.

Last time he was proven wrong on BLS statistics he faded into the
background.


It's the new and unimproved Gould.

Didn't he say he was going to stay out of political threads?

What a liar!