On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:04:08 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are
innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an
indictment of a ham sandwich?

This indictment will not stand the light of day.

Keep that thought. You are going to need it. The Plame indictments
are expected to come down next month. So, who do you think is next?
Libby? Rove? Bush?

Then there is the Frist investigation . . .

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:04:08 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are
innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an
indictment of a ham sandwich?

This indictment will not stand the light of day.

Keep that thought. You are going to need it. The Plame indictments
are expected to come down next month. So, who do you think is next?
Libby? Rove? Bush?

Plame was not covert the time and had not been covert for more than five
years.

I believe that it will be Plame's husband the honorable acting Ambassador
that leaked her previous status to the media. Miller is protecting someone
other than Rove or Libby.

Then there is the Frist investigation . . .

Frist is an idiot and the Republicans in the Senate will do better without
him.

Bert Robbins wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:04:08 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are
innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an
indictment of a ham sandwich?

This indictment will not stand the light of day.

Keep that thought. You are going to need it. The Plame indictments
are expected to come down next month. So, who do you think is next?
Libby? Rove? Bush?

Plame was not covert the time and had not been covert for more than five
years.

I believe that it will be Plame's husband the honorable acting Ambassador
that leaked her previous status to the media. Miller is protecting someone
other than Rove or Libby.

Agreed. I am still asking, "Indictments for what?"

Then there is the Frist investigation . . .

Frist is an idiot and the Republicans in the Senate will do better without
him.

Delay is bigger idiot. He has become the epitome of an insider that
detatched himself from reality. To wit, the recent stupidassed
statements he made about budget changes being looked at for hurricane
rebuilding.

"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:04:08 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you
are
innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get
an
indictment of a ham sandwich?

This indictment will not stand the light of day.

Keep that thought. You are going to need it. The Plame indictments
are expected to come down next month. So, who do you think is next?
Libby? Rove? Bush?

Plame was not covert the time and had not been covert for more than five
years.

I believe that it will be Plame's husband the honorable acting Ambassador
that leaked her previous status to the media. Miller is protecting
someone
other than Rove or Libby.

Agreed. I am still asking, "Indictments for what?"

Then there is the Frist investigation . . .

Frist is an idiot and the Republicans in the Senate will do better
without
him.

Delay is bigger idiot. He has become the epitome of an insider that
detatched himself from reality. To wit, the recent stupidassed
statements he made about budget changes being looked at for hurricane
rebuilding.

As I understand it the statement Delay made that all of the fat was cut out
of the budget already was a shrewd attempt to get the Democrats to say yes
there is fat in the budget to cut. This would open the entire federal budget
to scrutiny.

On 28 Sep 2005 12:37:44 -0700, "Curtis CCR" wrote:


Bert Robbins wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:04:08 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


I thought the US legal system was based upon the principle that you are
innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?

Isn't their the thought that any prosecutor worth their pay could get an
indictment of a ham sandwich?

This indictment will not stand the light of day.

Keep that thought. You are going to need it. The Plame indictments
are expected to come down next month. So, who do you think is next?
Libby? Rove? Bush?

Plame was not covert the time and had not been covert for more than five
years.

I believe that it will be Plame's husband the honorable acting Ambassador
that leaked her previous status to the media. Miller is protecting someone
other than Rove or Libby.

Agreed. I am still asking, "Indictments for what?"

Then there is the Frist investigation . . .

Frist is an idiot and the Republicans in the Senate will do better without
him.

Delay is bigger idiot. He has become the epitome of an insider that
detatched himself from reality. To wit, the recent stupidassed
statements he made about budget changes being looked at for hurricane
rebuilding.

The indictment:

http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/delay/delay92805ind.pdf

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:37:44 -0700, Curtis CCR wrote:


Agreed. I am still asking, "Indictments for what?"

Potentially the Espionage Act, perjury, obstruction of justice, and
conspiracy, that's just of the top of a non-lawyer's head. I'm sure a
prosecutor of Fitzgerald's caliber can think of a few more. This
investigation has been going on for close to two years, that doesn't
happen unless charges are expected. Oh, unless your name is Kenneth Starr.

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:37:44 -0700, Curtis CCR wrote:


Agreed. I am still asking, "Indictments for what?"

Potentially the Espionage Act, perjury, obstruction of justice, and
conspiracy, that's just of the top of a non-lawyer's head. I'm sure a
prosecutor of Fitzgerald's caliber can think of a few more. This
investigation has been going on for close to two years, that doesn't
happen unless charges are expected. Oh, unless your name is Kenneth Starr.

Then I am thinking "conspiracy to commit what?" I think some charges
may fall out of this. But I am expecting that the names on the
indictments won't be the ones everyone is expecting (or wishing for).

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:56:13 -0700, Curtis CCR wrote:


Then I am thinking "conspiracy to commit what?" I think some charges may
fall out of this. But I am expecting that the names on the indictments
won't be the ones everyone is expecting (or wishing for).

This investigation seems professional without the leaks of past
investigations, so it is difficult to say what, if any, charges will be
filed. However, just speculating here, if the Plame leak was coordinated
that could be a conspiracy. There have also been *rumors* that Fitzgerald
may have expanded the investigation into the whole "yellowcake" fiasco.
If that is the case, this could be quite large. Regardless, we should
soon know. The Grand Jury term expires next month, and Miller has finally
agreed to testify.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...gion-apnewyork

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072602069.html

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:56:13 -0700, Curtis CCR wrote:


Then I am thinking "conspiracy to commit what?" I think some charges may
fall out of this. But I am expecting that the names on the indictments
won't be the ones everyone is expecting (or wishing for).

This investigation seems professional without the leaks of past
investigations, so it is difficult to say what, if any, charges will be
filed. However, just speculating here, if the Plame leak was coordinated
that could be a conspiracy. There have also been *rumors* that Fitzgerald
may have expanded the investigation into the whole "yellowcake" fiasco.
If that is the case, this could be quite large. Regardless, we should
soon know. The Grand Jury term expires next month, and Miller has finally
agreed to testify.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...gion-apnewyork

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072602069.html


So, the good acting ambassador Joe Wilson could go to jail for defrauding
the government, swilling whiskey when he was supposed to be working. And,
for "outing" his wife a former, very former, CIA operative.

Why has the good acting ambassador been so quite lately? Something is amiss!

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On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:37:44 -0700, Curtis CCR wrote:


Agreed. I am still asking, "Indictments for what?"

Potentially the Espionage Act, perjury, obstruction of justice, and
conspiracy, that's just of the top of a non-lawyer's head. I'm sure a
prosecutor of Fitzgerald's caliber can think of a few more. This
investigation has been going on for close to two years, that doesn't
happen unless charges are expected. Oh, unless your name is Kenneth
Starr.

Or, you can't find any evidence that anyone did anything illegal.