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"JIMinFL" wrote in message
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Hi Wiz,
Just so you know; all boats built after 19?? and under 20 feet are
required to have level floatation built in.

Those boats won't float the powerhead though. A Whaler will.




Not necessarily true. Any number of outboard boats have enough flotation
properly placed to float the boat and its powerhead.

Bayliners? With I/O's?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"JIMinFL" wrote in message
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Hi Wiz,
Just so you know; all boats built after 19?? and under 20 feet are
required to have level floatation built in.

Those boats won't float the powerhead though. A Whaler will.




Not necessarily true. Any number of outboard boats have enough flotation
properly placed to float the boat and its powerhead.

Bayliners? With I/O's?

Bayliners are mostly I/O's. Very few are O/B's.

Mr Wizzard wrote:
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"JIMinFL" wrote in message
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Hi Wiz,
Just so you know; all boats built after 19?? and under 20 feet are
required to have level floatation built in.
Those boats won't float the powerhead though. A Whaler will.



Not necessarily true. Any number of outboard boats have enough flotation
properly placed to float the boat and its powerhead.
Bayliners? With I/O's?

Bayliners are mostly I/O's. Very few are O/B's.





Bayliner makes a line of boats called "Trophy," and the smaller ones and
several of the larger ones are outboard-equipped.

I'm not a big fan of I/O's, but I understand why some people like them.

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Mr Wizzard wrote:
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"JIMinFL" wrote in message
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Hi Wiz,
Just so you know; all boats built after 19?? and under 20 feet
are
required to have level floatation built in.
Those boats won't float the powerhead though. A Whaler will.



Not necessarily true. Any number of outboard boats have enough
flotation
properly placed to float the boat and its powerhead.
Bayliners? With I/O's?

Bayliners are mostly I/O's. Very few are O/B's.





Bayliner makes a line of boats called "Trophy," and the smaller ones and
several of the larger ones are outboard-equipped.

I'm not a big fan of I/O's, but I understand why some people like them.

Same here - just too clunky, and complex (gimbles, cables, etc).
But they DO make the boat much cheaper, and for the first time
boat owner, its sometimes the difference between being able to
buy a new boat, or not (price difference)

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"JIMinFL" wrote in message
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Hi Wiz,
Just so you know; all boats built after 19?? and under 20 feet are
required to have level floatation built in.
Those boats won't float the powerhead though. A Whaler will.



Not necessarily true. Any number of outboard boats have enough flotation
properly placed to float the boat and its powerhead.

Bayliners? With I/O's?



The powerhead in an I/O typically is lower in the hull than an outboard
powerhead might be, and that might improve the boat's chances of
remaining afloat, if awash, assuming it has sufficient flotation.

I have seen capsized Whalers in my lifetime. They're floating, but
upside down. You put two 500-pound outboard powerheads on the stern of a
big Whaler, flip it, and then tell me it righted itself. Doubtful. If it
is awash and in heavy seas, it might flip.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"JIMinFL" wrote in message
nk.net...
Hi Wiz,
Just so you know; all boats built after 19?? and under 20 feet are
required to have level floatation built in.
Those boats won't float the powerhead though. A Whaler will.



Not necessarily true. Any number of outboard boats have enough flotation
properly placed to float the boat and its powerhead.

Bayliners? With I/O's?



The powerhead in an I/O typically is lower in the hull than an outboard
powerhead might be, and that might improve the boat's chances of remaining
afloat, if awash, assuming it has sufficient flotation.

I have seen capsized Whalers in my lifetime. They're floating, but upside
down. You put two 500-pound outboard powerheads on the stern of a big
Whaler, flip it, and then tell me it righted itself. Doubtful. If it is
awash and in heavy seas, it might flip.

Yes, they could flip. My brother took a huge rogue wave over the bow of his
18' Outrage while 18 miles from shore. The boat filled right up to the top
of the gunnel with water. He said that the boat became very tippy for a
moment, but the engine remained running and he just powered forward, the bow
popped up, and most of the water rushed out the large notched transom in the
back. That's one of the reasons why I'm a fan of the older Whalers with
notched transoms. You don't have very long before a swamped boat flips, so
you need to get that water out in a hurry. Throttling up is the quickest
way to do it.

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"JIMinFL" wrote in message
nk.net...
Hi Wiz,
Just so you know; all boats built after 19?? and under 20 feet are
required to have level floatation built in.
Those boats won't float the powerhead though. A Whaler will.


Not necessarily true. Any number of outboard boats have enough flotation
properly placed to float the boat and its powerhead.
Bayliners? With I/O's?


The powerhead in an I/O typically is lower in the hull than an outboard
powerhead might be, and that might improve the boat's chances of remaining
afloat, if awash, assuming it has sufficient flotation.

I have seen capsized Whalers in my lifetime. They're floating, but upside
down. You put two 500-pound outboard powerheads on the stern of a big
Whaler, flip it, and then tell me it righted itself. Doubtful. If it is
awash and in heavy seas, it might flip.

Yes, they could flip. My brother took a huge rogue wave over the bow of his
18' Outrage while 18 miles from shore. The boat filled right up to the top
of the gunnel with water. He said that the boat became very tippy for a
moment, but the engine remained running and he just powered forward, the bow
popped up, and most of the water rushed out the large notched transom in the
back. That's one of the reasons why I'm a fan of the older Whalers with
notched transoms. You don't have very long before a swamped boat flips, so
you need to get that water out in a hurry. Throttling up is the quickest
way to do it.



I swamped one of my first SeaPro's once. I was anchored at a beach, and
I had the anchor line tied to the bow cleat. A sudden windstorm came up,
and waves started breaking over the bow. The boat was filling with water
faster than the drain plugs could unload it. I sliced off the anchor
line, gave the engine some RPMs and drained the water over the stern, as
your brother did. That would NOT be do-able on my Parker, because it has
a full transom and a bracket. The boat has a lot of flotation below the
deck, but my guess is it would sink like a stone if it filled with water.

Speaking of sinking like stones, I've decided to always wear my
inflatable life vest when I go forward to mess with the anchor. I'm a
good swimmer, but you just never know.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"JIMinFL" wrote in message
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Hi Wiz,
Just so you know; all boats built after 19?? and under 20 feet are
required to have level floatation built in.
Those boats won't float the powerhead though. A Whaler will.



Not necessarily true. Any number of outboard boats have enough
flotation properly placed to float the boat and its powerhead.

Bayliners? With I/O's?



The powerhead in an I/O typically is lower in the hull than an outboard
powerhead might be, and that might improve the boat's chances of
remaining afloat, if awash, assuming it has sufficient flotation.

I have seen capsized Whalers in my lifetime. They're floating, but upside
down. You put two 500-pound outboard powerheads on the stern of a big
Whaler, flip it, and then tell me it righted itself. Doubtful. If it is
awash and in heavy seas, it might flip.

Yes, they could flip. My brother took a huge rogue wave over the bow of
his 18' Outrage while 18 miles from shore. The boat filled right up to
the top of the gunnel with water. He said that the boat became very tippy
for a moment, but the engine remained running and he just powered forward,
the bow popped up, and most of the water rushed out the large notched
transom in the back. That's one of the reasons why I'm a fan of the older
Whalers with notched transoms. You don't have very long before a swamped
boat flips, so you need to get that water out in a hurry. Throttling up
is the quickest way to do it.




The problem is when the whaler gets in a situation where it quickly flips.
Friend earlier this year was trying to unstick a crab pot when a large wave
flipped the boat. 6 hours later, the three guys were luckily seen and
rescued just before dark. They were sitting on the bottom of the boat. The
handheld VHF was at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. We probably see more
whalers flipped than any other boat off the West coast. The Whaler owners
believe all the advertising quoting the safety of the boat. And they go out
when it is inappropriate.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"JIMinFL" wrote in message
nk.net...
Hi Wiz,
Just so you know; all boats built after 19?? and under 20 feet
are required to have level floatation built in.
Those boats won't float the powerhead though. A Whaler will.



Not necessarily true. Any number of outboard boats have enough
flotation properly placed to float the boat and its powerhead.

Bayliners? With I/O's?



The powerhead in an I/O typically is lower in the hull than an outboard
powerhead might be, and that might improve the boat's chances of
remaining afloat, if awash, assuming it has sufficient flotation.

I have seen capsized Whalers in my lifetime. They're floating, but
upside down. You put two 500-pound outboard powerheads on the stern of a
big Whaler, flip it, and then tell me it righted itself. Doubtful. If it
is awash and in heavy seas, it might flip.

Yes, they could flip. My brother took a huge rogue wave over the bow of
his 18' Outrage while 18 miles from shore. The boat filled right up to
the top of the gunnel with water. He said that the boat became very
tippy for a moment, but the engine remained running and he just powered
forward, the bow popped up, and most of the water rushed out the large
notched transom in the back. That's one of the reasons why I'm a fan of
the older Whalers with notched transoms. You don't have very long before
a swamped boat flips, so you need to get that water out in a hurry.
Throttling up is the quickest way to do it.




The problem is when the whaler gets in a situation where it quickly flips.
Friend earlier this year was trying to unstick a crab pot when a large
wave flipped the boat. 6 hours later, the three guys were luckily seen
and rescued just before dark. They were sitting on the bottom of the
boat. The handheld VHF was at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. We
probably see more whalers flipped than any other boat off the West coast.

That's because you don't see the other boats that flip 'cause most of them
are sitting at the bottom of the ocean.

Whalers may flip, but no more so than the others that flip and then sink.



The Whaler owners believe all the advertising quoting the safety of the
boat. And they go out when it is inappropriate.

That is true.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"JIMinFL" wrote in message
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Hi Wiz,
Just so you know; all boats built after 19?? and under 20 feet
are required to have level floatation built in.
Those boats won't float the powerhead though. A Whaler will.



Not necessarily true. Any number of outboard boats have enough
flotation properly placed to float the boat and its powerhead.

Bayliners? With I/O's?



The powerhead in an I/O typically is lower in the hull than an outboard
powerhead might be, and that might improve the boat's chances of
remaining afloat, if awash, assuming it has sufficient flotation.

I have seen capsized Whalers in my lifetime. They're floating, but
upside down. You put two 500-pound outboard powerheads on the stern of
a big Whaler, flip it, and then tell me it righted itself. Doubtful. If
it is awash and in heavy seas, it might flip.

Yes, they could flip. My brother took a huge rogue wave over the bow of
his 18' Outrage while 18 miles from shore. The boat filled right up to
the top of the gunnel with water. He said that the boat became very
tippy for a moment, but the engine remained running and he just powered
forward, the bow popped up, and most of the water rushed out the large
notched transom in the back. That's one of the reasons why I'm a fan of
the older Whalers with notched transoms. You don't have very long
before a swamped boat flips, so you need to get that water out in a
hurry. Throttling up is the quickest way to do it.




The problem is when the whaler gets in a situation where it quickly
flips. Friend earlier this year was trying to unstick a crab pot when a
large wave flipped the boat. 6 hours later, the three guys were luckily
seen and rescued just before dark. They were sitting on the bottom of
the boat. The handheld VHF was at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. We
probably see more whalers flipped than any other boat off the West coast.

That's because you don't see the other boats that flip 'cause most of them
are sitting at the bottom of the ocean.

Whalers may flip, but no more so than the others that flip and then sink.



The Whaler owners believe all the advertising quoting the safety of the
boat. And they go out when it is inappropriate.

That is true.




Very few other boats flip. They may hit something and sink, but very few
other model boats are 13-17' boats out in unsafe conditions.