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NOYB wrote:
"JIMinFL" wrote in message nk.net... Hi Wiz, Just so you know; all boats built after 19?? and under 20 feet are required to have level floatation built in. Those boats won't float the powerhead though. A Whaler will. Not necessarily true. Any number of outboard boats have enough flotation properly placed to float the boat and its powerhead. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "JIMinFL" wrote in message nk.net... Hi Wiz, Just so you know; all boats built after 19?? and under 20 feet are required to have level floatation built in. Those boats won't float the powerhead though. A Whaler will. Not necessarily true. Any number of outboard boats have enough flotation properly placed to float the boat and its powerhead. Bayliners? With I/O's? |
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"NOYB" wrote in message k.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "JIMinFL" wrote in message nk.net... Hi Wiz, Just so you know; all boats built after 19?? and under 20 feet are required to have level floatation built in. Those boats won't float the powerhead though. A Whaler will. Not necessarily true. Any number of outboard boats have enough flotation properly placed to float the boat and its powerhead. Bayliners? With I/O's? Bayliners are mostly I/O's. Very few are O/B's. |
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "JIMinFL" wrote in message nk.net... Hi Wiz, Just so you know; all boats built after 19?? and under 20 feet are required to have level floatation built in. Those boats won't float the powerhead though. A Whaler will. Not necessarily true. Any number of outboard boats have enough flotation properly placed to float the boat and its powerhead. Bayliners? With I/O's? The powerhead in an I/O typically is lower in the hull than an outboard powerhead might be, and that might improve the boat's chances of remaining afloat, if awash, assuming it has sufficient flotation. I have seen capsized Whalers in my lifetime. They're floating, but upside down. You put two 500-pound outboard powerheads on the stern of a big Whaler, flip it, and then tell me it righted itself. Doubtful. If it is awash and in heavy seas, it might flip. |
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NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "JIMinFL" wrote in message nk.net... Hi Wiz, Just so you know; all boats built after 19?? and under 20 feet are required to have level floatation built in. Those boats won't float the powerhead though. A Whaler will. Not necessarily true. Any number of outboard boats have enough flotation properly placed to float the boat and its powerhead. Bayliners? With I/O's? Why do you ask? Many, if not most are I/O's. |
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"JIMinFL" wrote in message nk.net... Luckily this was a local lake fresh water incident. Motor is nice and clean now! All that manufacturing dust is all gone now. Thanks. Hi Wiz, Just so you know; all boats built after 19?? and under 20 feet are required to have level floatation built in. You might not be happy with how high out of the water it would float, but it should be enough to hang on to while waiting for help to arrive. You should try to rinse the salt off of the engine and anything else that might have been submerged or splashed. I would then let things dry out the best you can followed with a good anti corrosive spray. My choice would be to use CRC 6-56, but there are other products that might be suitable. Some things you need to monitor is your wiring, starter, power trim, Steering cable, and alternator. Any salt left in these areas could cause problems down the road. You probably shouldn't be talking about this incident to your dealer. You wouldn't want to give him an excuse to void your warranty. JIMinFL "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Not that anyone would set out to actually "test" this, but I wonder how long it would take for a new bayliner 175 bowrider to sink if one were to launch without a drain plug. Anyone know ? Ok, ok, so I need to come clean here... Yeah, I'm stoopid, I launched without a drain plug. Yikes. I always leave the plug in, and never take it out, and I got complacent and haven't been doing due diligence in checking the stupid drain plug. Went in salt water the day before for the first time, so I had to hose the thing out late last night. Let it drip over night, and never thought to check it - it's been absent from my regular routine. So, local lake, public fishing launch area (seperate from main rat-race launch lane, requires the state Vehicle Use permit for fishing). Dumped it in, tied it up, ran the truck up to park it, walked down, untied it, got it, started it, and started to pull out. Engine sounding a little funny, idle a little weird, (Merc 3.0L I/O), acceleration all weired, mushy, and just slugish. I look over my sholder at the engine compartment, and said now thats odd - water splashing out of the edge of the engine cover on the bottom near the carpet. Thought, humm, fan must be picking up water left over from last nights hose-off, and throwing it around the inside of the engine cover. No big. DOH! 2.5 seconds I realized, Whoa! - I ain't not fan - this ain't a car engine (well it is, but)... Hol-Lee **** buckets - it sank it (no pun) that I left the plug in. Panicsville!. Wham! - reach over the steering wheel with both hands and throw ALL switches upwards cause I ain't got time to read each one to see which is the pump. Engine chugging pretty good by now. Boat starting to head into rocks - depth finder shows less than 2 feet. I can't let it stall, I can't let it stall, thats all I kept saying to myself. Bang it into reverse and jump up on that throttle and get her out from the rocks a bit, whew, now in about 10 feet of water just out from the launch a bit. Think quick. Bingo, the plug is teathered (to the oil drain hose). Without thought, wham, swan-dive off the back of the boat, keys, smokes, rolaids, pockets full. Flailed around the bottom, felt the plug dangling, and fumbled around, but got it threaded in, and hand tight. Whew, gonna need that cold beer after THIS one I thought as I grasped the ladder. (too bad I won't have any dry smokes, eh). Anyways, get back up in the boat, bilage pump pumping like a big dog, and I'm drifting towards the rocks again. Damn. Throw her into gear, get out more in the center, and catch my breath. Engine still chugging and not running good at all. Afraid to open engine cover, but I know I gotta. Open her up, and hol-lee-****.... My engine is drenched, water up to, and maybe past the crank, holey f-ing crap, I just can't believe this has happened. Sun. Sun is good. Sun is "hot", Sun dries **** I'm thinking. Leave the cover off. Keep her running, I can't let it stall I kept thinking. Water level. Do I see the water level going down? No!... wtf? Water coming out the side? yup, rolling out like a big dog. Dang, whats taking so long then? Calm down. Crack that beer, it'll be Ok. Smokes? nope - all soggy, dry ones up in the truck. Balls. Hey! - engines sounding better! (is it the beer ?) hell no!, I just opened it. Water level ? Ahhhhh who da man, huh? - look at dat! - water goning down. I'll just hang out here, and let that water quit spurting out the side. Dang, isn't it been like a half-hour now? Andway, but the time the bilage pump was done, the engine was bone dry from the sun, and hot enough to fry an egg on (from the sun on that Phantom black). Close we up, sop up the water on the carpet, and go have fun. Dang, that was close I thought. ...or was it? 2-3 hours goes buy, the 24-oz Bug Lite's gone, and time to start heading in. Replaying the whole thing in my mind, I got to wondering just how long could I have let that plug out? what would happen? water would fill up the engine compartment to the point that it was overflowing on the main deck, and carpet. At whcih point, what, drain into that center section with the door where you keep the life vests etc? Was that pit already full? - I didn't check that while the engine compartment was full of water. I'm thinking that due to the design/layout of this boat (with all of the sections/compartments and such, that it might not sink as fast as one might think. Ideas, thoughts ? Thanks |
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Wiz,
I put a clip on my boat key ring and attach the plug to the key ring. I have seem where the service dept of marinas will attach the drain plug to the steering wheel with a twist tie. The idea is to make it very easy not to forgot. PS - Put a float on the bilge pump with a lighted switch that will come on whenever the pump is engaged. If you see the bilge pump coming on too often or too long, you have a problem. "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Not that anyone would set out to actually "test" this, but I wonder how long it would take for a new bayliner 175 bowrider to sink if one were to launch without a drain plug. Anyone know ? Ok, ok, so I need to come clean here... Yeah, I'm stoopid, I launched without a drain plug. Yikes. I always leave the plug in, and never take it out, and I got complacent and haven't been doing due diligence in checking the stupid drain plug. Went in salt water the day before for the first time, so I had to hose the thing out late last night. Let it drip over night, and never thought to check it - it's been absent from my regular routine. So, local lake, public fishing launch area (seperate from main rat-race launch lane, requires the state Vehicle Use permit for fishing). Dumped it in, tied it up, ran the truck up to park it, walked down, untied it, got it, started it, and started to pull out. Engine sounding a little funny, idle a little weird, (Merc 3.0L I/O), acceleration all weired, mushy, and just slugish. I look over my sholder at the engine compartment, and said now thats odd - water splashing out of the edge of the engine cover on the bottom near the carpet. Thought, humm, fan must be picking up water left over from last nights hose-off, and throwing it around the inside of the engine cover. No big. DOH! 2.5 seconds I realized, Whoa! - I ain't not fan - this ain't a car engine (well it is, but)... Hol-Lee **** buckets - it sank it (no pun) that I left the plug in. Panicsville!. Wham! - reach over the steering wheel with both hands and throw ALL switches upwards cause I ain't got time to read each one to see which is the pump. Engine chugging pretty good by now. Boat starting to head into rocks - depth finder shows less than 2 feet. I can't let it stall, I can't let it stall, thats all I kept saying to myself. Bang it into reverse and jump up on that throttle and get her out from the rocks a bit, whew, now in about 10 feet of water just out from the launch a bit. Think quick. Bingo, the plug is teathered (to the oil drain hose). Without thought, wham, swan-dive off the back of the boat, keys, smokes, rolaids, pockets full. Flailed around the bottom, felt the plug dangling, and fumbled around, but got it threaded in, and hand tight. Whew, gonna need that cold beer after THIS one I thought as I grasped the ladder. (too bad I won't have any dry smokes, eh). Anyways, get back up in the boat, bilage pump pumping like a big dog, and I'm drifting towards the rocks again. Damn. Throw her into gear, get out more in the center, and catch my breath. Engine still chugging and not running good at all. Afraid to open engine cover, but I know I gotta. Open her up, and hol-lee-****.... My engine is drenched, water up to, and maybe past the crank, holey f-ing crap, I just can't believe this has happened. Sun. Sun is good. Sun is "hot", Sun dries **** I'm thinking. Leave the cover off. Keep her running, I can't let it stall I kept thinking. Water level. Do I see the water level going down? No!... wtf? Water coming out the side? yup, rolling out like a big dog. Dang, whats taking so long then? Calm down. Crack that beer, it'll be Ok. Smokes? nope - all soggy, dry ones up in the truck. Balls. Hey! - engines sounding better! (is it the beer ?) hell no!, I just opened it. Water level ? Ahhhhh who da man, huh? - look at dat! - water goning down. I'll just hang out here, and let that water quit spurting out the side. Dang, isn't it been like a half-hour now? Andway, but the time the bilage pump was done, the engine was bone dry from the sun, and hot enough to fry an egg on (from the sun on that Phantom black). Close we up, sop up the water on the carpet, and go have fun. Dang, that was close I thought. ...or was it? 2-3 hours goes buy, the 24-oz Bug Lite's gone, and time to start heading in. Replaying the whole thing in my mind, I got to wondering just how long could I have let that plug out? what would happen? water would fill up the engine compartment to the point that it was overflowing on the main deck, and carpet. At whcih point, what, drain into that center section with the door where you keep the life vests etc? Was that pit already full? - I didn't check that while the engine compartment was full of water. I'm thinking that due to the design/layout of this boat (with all of the sections/compartments and such, that it might not sink as fast as one might think. Ideas, thoughts ? Thanks |
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dont worry about forgetting the drain plug. There are 2 types of boaters.
Those that forgot the plug and learned from it, and those that will forget the plug. EVERYONE does it at one point. Get a rubber stopper from the hardware store and put it on your keychain. That way every time you reach for the ignition you will feel the plug Good luck and welcome to the not so fun part of boating. Steve Karen Greer wrote in message ... Wiz, I put a clip on my boat key ring and attach the plug to the key ring. I have seem where the service dept of marinas will attach the drain plug to the steering wheel with a twist tie. The idea is to make it very easy not to forgot. PS - Put a float on the bilge pump with a lighted switch that will come on whenever the pump is engaged. If you see the bilge pump coming on too often or too long, you have a problem. "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Not that anyone would set out to actually "test" this, but I wonder how long it would take for a new bayliner 175 bowrider to sink if one were to launch without a drain plug. Anyone know ? Ok, ok, so I need to come clean here... Yeah, I'm stoopid, I launched without a drain plug. Yikes. I always leave the plug in, and never take it out, and I got complacent and haven't been doing due diligence in checking the stupid drain plug. Went in salt water the day before for the first time, so I had to hose the thing out late last night. Let it drip over night, and never thought to check it - it's been absent from my regular routine. So, local lake, public fishing launch area (seperate from main rat-race launch lane, requires the state Vehicle Use permit for fishing). Dumped it in, tied it up, ran the truck up to park it, walked down, untied it, got it, started it, and started to pull out. Engine sounding a little funny, idle a little weird, (Merc 3.0L I/O), acceleration all weired, mushy, and just slugish. I look over my sholder at the engine compartment, and said now thats odd - water splashing out of the edge of the engine cover on the bottom near the carpet. Thought, humm, fan must be picking up water left over from last nights hose-off, and throwing it around the inside of the engine cover. No big. DOH! 2.5 seconds I realized, Whoa! - I ain't not fan - this ain't a car engine (well it is, but)... Hol-Lee **** buckets - it sank it (no pun) that I left the plug in. Panicsville!. Wham! - reach over the steering wheel with both hands and throw ALL switches upwards cause I ain't got time to read each one to see which is the pump. Engine chugging pretty good by now. Boat starting to head into rocks - depth finder shows less than 2 feet. I can't let it stall, I can't let it stall, thats all I kept saying to myself. Bang it into reverse and jump up on that throttle and get her out from the rocks a bit, whew, now in about 10 feet of water just out from the launch a bit. Think quick. Bingo, the plug is teathered (to the oil drain hose). Without thought, wham, swan-dive off the back of the boat, keys, smokes, rolaids, pockets full. Flailed around the bottom, felt the plug dangling, and fumbled around, but got it threaded in, and hand tight. Whew, gonna need that cold beer after THIS one I thought as I grasped the ladder. (too bad I won't have any dry smokes, eh). Anyways, get back up in the boat, bilage pump pumping like a big dog, and I'm drifting towards the rocks again. Damn. Throw her into gear, get out more in the center, and catch my breath. Engine still chugging and not running good at all. Afraid to open engine cover, but I know I gotta. Open her up, and hol-lee-****.... My engine is drenched, water up to, and maybe past the crank, holey f-ing crap, I just can't believe this has happened. Sun. Sun is good. Sun is "hot", Sun dries **** I'm thinking. Leave the cover off. Keep her running, I can't let it stall I kept thinking. Water level. Do I see the water level going down? No!... wtf? Water coming out the side? yup, rolling out like a big dog. Dang, whats taking so long then? Calm down. Crack that beer, it'll be Ok. Smokes? nope - all soggy, dry ones up in the truck. Balls. Hey! - engines sounding better! (is it the beer ?) hell no!, I just opened it. Water level ? Ahhhhh who da man, huh? - look at dat! - water goning down. I'll just hang out here, and let that water quit spurting out the side. Dang, isn't it been like a half-hour now? Andway, but the time the bilage pump was done, the engine was bone dry from the sun, and hot enough to fry an egg on (from the sun on that Phantom black). Close we up, sop up the water on the carpet, and go have fun. Dang, that was close I thought. ...or was it? 2-3 hours goes buy, the 24-oz Bug Lite's gone, and time to start heading in. Replaying the whole thing in my mind, I got to wondering just how long could I have let that plug out? what would happen? water would fill up the engine compartment to the point that it was overflowing on the main deck, and carpet. At whcih point, what, drain into that center section with the door where you keep the life vests etc? Was that pit already full? - I didn't check that while the engine compartment was full of water. I'm thinking that due to the design/layout of this boat (with all of the sections/compartments and such, that it might not sink as fast as one might think. Ideas, thoughts ? Thanks |
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My boat informs me that the plug is not installed, by shooting a stream of
water out the side of the boat. If I wait long enough there will be 2 large streams of water shooting out the side of the boat. Bill Karen Greer wrote in message ... Wiz, I put a clip on my boat key ring and attach the plug to the key ring. I have seem where the service dept of marinas will attach the drain plug to the steering wheel with a twist tie. The idea is to make it very easy not to forgot. PS - Put a float on the bilge pump with a lighted switch that will come on whenever the pump is engaged. If you see the bilge pump coming on too often or too long, you have a problem. "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Not that anyone would set out to actually "test" this, but I wonder how long it would take for a new bayliner 175 bowrider to sink if one were to launch without a drain plug. Anyone know ? Ok, ok, so I need to come clean here... Yeah, I'm stoopid, I launched without a drain plug. Yikes. I always leave the plug in, and never take it out, and I got complacent and haven't been doing due diligence in checking the stupid drain plug. Went in salt water the day before for the first time, so I had to hose the thing out late last night. Let it drip over night, and never thought to check it - it's been absent from my regular routine. So, local lake, public fishing launch area (seperate from main rat-race launch lane, requires the state Vehicle Use permit for fishing). Dumped it in, tied it up, ran the truck up to park it, walked down, untied it, got it, started it, and started to pull out. Engine sounding a little funny, idle a little weird, (Merc 3.0L I/O), acceleration all weired, mushy, and just slugish. I look over my sholder at the engine compartment, and said now thats odd - water splashing out of the edge of the engine cover on the bottom near the carpet. Thought, humm, fan must be picking up water left over from last nights hose-off, and throwing it around the inside of the engine cover. No big. DOH! 2.5 seconds I realized, Whoa! - I ain't not fan - this ain't a car engine (well it is, but)... Hol-Lee **** buckets - it sank it (no pun) that I left the plug in. Panicsville!. Wham! - reach over the steering wheel with both hands and throw ALL switches upwards cause I ain't got time to read each one to see which is the pump. Engine chugging pretty good by now. Boat starting to head into rocks - depth finder shows less than 2 feet. I can't let it stall, I can't let it stall, thats all I kept saying to myself. Bang it into reverse and jump up on that throttle and get her out from the rocks a bit, whew, now in about 10 feet of water just out from the launch a bit. Think quick. Bingo, the plug is teathered (to the oil drain hose). Without thought, wham, swan-dive off the back of the boat, keys, smokes, rolaids, pockets full. Flailed around the bottom, felt the plug dangling, and fumbled around, but got it threaded in, and hand tight. Whew, gonna need that cold beer after THIS one I thought as I grasped the ladder. (too bad I won't have any dry smokes, eh). Anyways, get back up in the boat, bilage pump pumping like a big dog, and I'm drifting towards the rocks again. Damn. Throw her into gear, get out more in the center, and catch my breath. Engine still chugging and not running good at all. Afraid to open engine cover, but I know I gotta. Open her up, and hol-lee-****.... My engine is drenched, water up to, and maybe past the crank, holey f-ing crap, I just can't believe this has happened. Sun. Sun is good. Sun is "hot", Sun dries **** I'm thinking. Leave the cover off. Keep her running, I can't let it stall I kept thinking. Water level. Do I see the water level going down? No!... wtf? Water coming out the side? yup, rolling out like a big dog. Dang, whats taking so long then? Calm down. Crack that beer, it'll be Ok. Smokes? nope - all soggy, dry ones up in the truck. Balls. Hey! - engines sounding better! (is it the beer ?) hell no!, I just opened it. Water level ? Ahhhhh who da man, huh? - look at dat! - water goning down. I'll just hang out here, and let that water quit spurting out the side. Dang, isn't it been like a half-hour now? Andway, but the time the bilage pump was done, the engine was bone dry from the sun, and hot enough to fry an egg on (from the sun on that Phantom black). Close we up, sop up the water on the carpet, and go have fun. Dang, that was close I thought. ...or was it? 2-3 hours goes buy, the 24-oz Bug Lite's gone, and time to start heading in. Replaying the whole thing in my mind, I got to wondering just how long could I have let that plug out? what would happen? water would fill up the engine compartment to the point that it was overflowing on the main deck, and carpet. At whcih point, what, drain into that center section with the door where you keep the life vests etc? Was that pit already full? - I didn't check that while the engine compartment was full of water. I'm thinking that due to the design/layout of this boat (with all of the sections/compartments and such, that it might not sink as fast as one might think. Ideas, thoughts ? Thanks |
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Lol - thats one of those things that you only do once!
"Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Not that anyone would set out to actually "test" this, but I wonder how long it would take for a new bayliner 175 bowrider to sink if one were to launch without a drain plug. Anyone know ? Ok, ok, so I need to come clean here... Yeah, I'm stoopid, I launched without a drain plug. Yikes. I always leave the plug in, and never take it out, and I got complacent and haven't been doing due diligence in checking the stupid drain plug. Went in salt water the day before for the first time, so I had to hose the thing out late last night. Let it drip over night, and never thought to check it - it's been absent from my regular routine. So, local lake, public fishing launch area (seperate from main rat-race launch lane, requires the state Vehicle Use permit for fishing). Dumped it in, tied it up, ran the truck up to park it, walked down, untied it, got it, started it, and started to pull out. Engine sounding a little funny, idle a little weird, (Merc 3.0L I/O), acceleration all weired, mushy, and just slugish. I look over my sholder at the engine compartment, and said now thats odd - water splashing out of the edge of the engine cover on the bottom near the carpet. Thought, humm, fan must be picking up water left over from last nights hose-off, and throwing it around the inside of the engine cover. No big. DOH! 2.5 seconds I realized, Whoa! - I ain't not fan - this ain't a car engine (well it is, but)... Hol-Lee **** buckets - it sank it (no pun) that I left the plug in. Panicsville!. Wham! - reach over the steering wheel with both hands and throw ALL switches upwards cause I ain't got time to read each one to see which is the pump. Engine chugging pretty good by now. Boat starting to head into rocks - depth finder shows less than 2 feet. I can't let it stall, I can't let it stall, thats all I kept saying to myself. Bang it into reverse and jump up on that throttle and get her out from the rocks a bit, whew, now in about 10 feet of water just out from the launch a bit. Think quick. Bingo, the plug is teathered (to the oil drain hose). Without thought, wham, swan-dive off the back of the boat, keys, smokes, rolaids, pockets full. Flailed around the bottom, felt the plug dangling, and fumbled around, but got it threaded in, and hand tight. Whew, gonna need that cold beer after THIS one I thought as I grasped the ladder. (too bad I won't have any dry smokes, eh). Anyways, get back up in the boat, bilage pump pumping like a big dog, and I'm drifting towards the rocks again. Damn. Throw her into gear, get out more in the center, and catch my breath. Engine still chugging and not running good at all. Afraid to open engine cover, but I know I gotta. Open her up, and hol-lee-****.... My engine is drenched, water up to, and maybe past the crank, holey f-ing crap, I just can't believe this has happened. Sun. Sun is good. Sun is "hot", Sun dries **** I'm thinking. Leave the cover off. Keep her running, I can't let it stall I kept thinking. Water level. Do I see the water level going down? No!... wtf? Water coming out the side? yup, rolling out like a big dog. Dang, whats taking so long then? Calm down. Crack that beer, it'll be Ok. Smokes? nope - all soggy, dry ones up in the truck. Balls. Hey! - engines sounding better! (is it the beer ?) hell no!, I just opened it. Water level ? Ahhhhh who da man, huh? - look at dat! - water goning down. I'll just hang out here, and let that water quit spurting out the side. Dang, isn't it been like a half-hour now? Andway, but the time the bilage pump was done, the engine was bone dry from the sun, and hot enough to fry an egg on (from the sun on that Phantom black). Close we up, sop up the water on the carpet, and go have fun. Dang, that was close I thought. ...or was it? 2-3 hours goes buy, the 24-oz Bug Lite's gone, and time to start heading in. Replaying the whole thing in my mind, I got to wondering just how long could I have let that plug out? what would happen? water would fill up the engine compartment to the point that it was overflowing on the main deck, and carpet. At whcih point, what, drain into that center section with the door where you keep the life vests etc? Was that pit already full? - I didn't check that while the engine compartment was full of water. I'm thinking that due to the design/layout of this boat (with all of the sections/compartments and such, that it might not sink as fast as one might think. Ideas, thoughts ? Thanks |
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