Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

I understand what you are saying and I appreciate that view, but to my
mind, societies evolve, devolve and evolve once more. Certainly, the
current situation isn't the best, but this is basically a tribal
conflict similar to any number of ethnic/tribal conflicts that
continue to infest world order and peace.

I'm not at all sure there is an answer.


As a start we could be less tribal.

KarenGreer wrote:
Wiz,
As soon as you engage Harry in debate, you became part of the Right Wing
Borg Machine. Right Wingers are useless.

The only truthful statement you've made.

John H. wrote:
On 12 Aug 2005 20:29:27 -0700, wrote:


John H. wrote:
On 12 Aug 2005 11:37:29 -0700, wrote:


Jack wrote:
I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are
horrible.
The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at this
point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them. Some in
their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims need to
do more to stop the extremists in their own religion.


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You are right about militant Muslims. Same goes for Crusading
Christians and Zionist Jews. How the heck three religions that all
worship the same diety (the God of Abraham) can disagree and squabble
over everything so violently and incessantly is a wonder to behold.

Is that the new leftist mantra?

"Muslim terrorism is OK because the Christian Crusaders did it to them."

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

No. The new leftist mantra is "certain right wingers aren't perceptive
enough to understand that when somebody agrees with a post that
observes that extremist Muslims have hijacked Islam, and that when the
agreeing party additionally comments that Crusading Christians (that
would be modern as well as historical, btw) and Zionist Jews have also
corrupted the foundations of their own faiths for political purposes,
such a statement in no way defends or excuses the radical Muslims
originally referenced."

I know that's a long mantra, but since you asked....

But I do see where you're coming from: Rather often these days when
somebody in right field gets caught with a hand in the cookie jar the
automatic comment is
"liberals did it first or worse" and many on the right consider that an
excuse for the behavior- no questions asked. With that frame of
reference, I do understand how you might misinterpret an observation
that people from many faiths have corrupted the fundamental message of
their scriptures and prophets
as an "excuse" or defense of the first group that was mentioned.

Thanks for the sermonette.

I don't see many Christians or Jews blowing up buildings, airplanes, trains,
buses, and people on a regular basis. Perhaps that's why I took your comment as
one of those,"...did it first or worse..." types.

Really? I'll bet there's been more bombs used by Christians in the U.S.
than by Muslim terrorists!!!

wrote in message
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John H. wrote:
On 12 Aug 2005 20:29:27 -0700, wrote:


John H. wrote:
On 12 Aug 2005 11:37:29 -0700, wrote:


Jack wrote:
I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are
horrible.
The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts at
this
point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them.
Some in
their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence. Muslims
need to
do more to stop the extremists in their own religion.


wrote in message
ups.com...
http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9


You are right about militant Muslims. Same goes for Crusading
Christians and Zionist Jews. How the heck three religions that all
worship the same diety (the God of Abraham) can disagree and squabble
over everything so violently and incessantly is a wonder to behold.

Is that the new leftist mantra?

"Muslim terrorism is OK because the Christian Crusaders did it to
them."

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

No. The new leftist mantra is "certain right wingers aren't perceptive
enough to understand that when somebody agrees with a post that
observes that extremist Muslims have hijacked Islam, and that when the
agreeing party additionally comments that Crusading Christians (that
would be modern as well as historical, btw) and Zionist Jews have also
corrupted the foundations of their own faiths for political purposes,
such a statement in no way defends or excuses the radical Muslims
originally referenced."

I know that's a long mantra, but since you asked....

But I do see where you're coming from: Rather often these days when
somebody in right field gets caught with a hand in the cookie jar the
automatic comment is
"liberals did it first or worse" and many on the right consider that an
excuse for the behavior- no questions asked. With that frame of
reference, I do understand how you might misinterpret an observation
that people from many faiths have corrupted the fundamental message of
their scriptures and prophets
as an "excuse" or defense of the first group that was mentioned.

Thanks for the sermonette.

I don't see many Christians or Jews blowing up buildings, airplanes,
trains,
buses, and people on a regular basis. Perhaps that's why I took your
comment as
one of those,"...did it first or worse..." types.

Really? I'll bet there's been more bombs used by Christians in the U.S.
than by Muslim terrorists!!!


OMG. Unbelievable.

Kevin,
Does the fact that you graduated from an Ivy League College help with your
"2nd degree Black Belt"? I bet you look great driving around town in your
"2nd degree Black Belt" and your "motorcycle".

I would love to see the link with the info concerning your "motorcycle". I
wonder, do you think your "motorcycle" would fit on Harry's "Lobster Boat".


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KarenGreer wrote:
Wiz,
As soon as you engage Harry in debate, you became part of the Right Wing
Borg Machine. Right Wingers are useless.

The only truthful statement you've made.

"*JimH*" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:
On 12 Aug 2005 20:29:27 -0700, wrote:


John H. wrote:
On 12 Aug 2005 11:37:29 -0700, wrote:


Jack wrote:
I have never heard anyone say that they feel that all Muslims are
horrible.
The muslims just coincidently are involved in 29 armed conflicts
at
this
point. I know many muslims, and have no problem with them.
Some in
their religion have kidnapped the religion in violence.
Muslims
need to
do more to stop the extremists in their own religion.


wrote in message
ups.com...
http://tinyurl.com/cxbz9


You are right about militant Muslims. Same goes for Crusading
Christians and Zionist Jews. How the heck three religions that all
worship the same diety (the God of Abraham) can disagree and
squabble
over everything so violently and incessantly is a wonder to behold.

Is that the new leftist mantra?

"Muslim terrorism is OK because the Christian Crusaders did it to
them."

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

No. The new leftist mantra is "certain right wingers aren't perceptive
enough to understand that when somebody agrees with a post that
observes that extremist Muslims have hijacked Islam, and that when the
agreeing party additionally comments that Crusading Christians (that
would be modern as well as historical, btw) and Zionist Jews have also
corrupted the foundations of their own faiths for political purposes,
such a statement in no way defends or excuses the radical Muslims
originally referenced."

I know that's a long mantra, but since you asked....

But I do see where you're coming from: Rather often these days when
somebody in right field gets caught with a hand in the cookie jar the
automatic comment is
"liberals did it first or worse" and many on the right consider that
an
excuse for the behavior- no questions asked. With that frame of
reference, I do understand how you might misinterpret an observation
that people from many faiths have corrupted the fundamental message of
their scriptures and prophets
as an "excuse" or defense of the first group that was mentioned.

Thanks for the sermonette.

I don't see many Christians or Jews blowing up buildings, airplanes,
trains,
buses, and people on a regular basis. Perhaps that's why I took your
comment as
one of those,"...did it first or worse..." types.

Really? I'll bet there's been more bombs used by Christians in the U.S.
than by Muslim terrorists!!!


OMG. Unbelievable.

No it isn't......it is just further proof why kevin remains the "King"

Really? I'll bet there's been more bombs used by Christians in the U.S.
than by Muslim terrorists!!!


OMG. Unbelievable.


P. Fritz wrote:
No it isn't......it is just further proof why kevin remains the "King"


Well let's see... I hate to interrupt your high-fiving, but a breif look
at the facts is in order:

Bombs set off in the U.S. by Muslim terrorists: 1
Bombs set off in the U.S. by Christians... difficult to determine,
partly because of identity of "Christians," but it's safe to say that
all abortion clinic bombs have been set off by Christians, and the KKK
is avowedly Christian also.

So, now who is the idiot?

DSK

Better look up the facts again.

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Really? I'll bet there's been more bombs used by Christians in the U.S.
than by Muslim terrorists!!!


OMG. Unbelievable.


P. Fritz wrote:
No it isn't......it is just further proof why kevin remains the "King"


Well let's see... I hate to interrupt your high-fiving, but a breif look
at the facts is in order:

Bombs set off in the U.S. by Muslim terrorists: 1
Bombs set off in the U.S. by Christians... difficult to determine, partly
because of identity of "Christians," but it's safe to say that all
abortion clinic bombs have been set off by Christians, and the KKK is
avowedly Christian also.

So, now who is the idiot?

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Really? I'll bet there's been more bombs used by Christians in the U.S.
than by Muslim terrorists!!!


OMG. Unbelievable.


P. Fritz wrote:
No it isn't......it is just further proof why kevin remains the "King"


Well let's see... I hate to interrupt your high-fiving, but a breif look
at the facts is in order:

Bombs set off in the U.S. by Muslim terrorists: 1
Bombs set off in the U.S. by Christians... difficult to determine, partly
because of identity of "Christians," but it's safe to say that all
abortion clinic bombs have been set off by Christians, and the KKK is
avowedly Christian also.

So, now who is the idiot?

DSK




I would have to say anyone who believes the *facts* you just posted.

When did the Christians accept the KKK into Christianity?


"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Really? I'll bet there's been more bombs used by Christians in the U.S.
than by Muslim terrorists!!!


OMG. Unbelievable.


P. Fritz wrote:
No it isn't......it is just further proof why kevin remains the "King"


Well let's see... I hate to interrupt your high-fiving, but a breif look
at the facts is in order:

Bombs set off in the U.S. by Muslim terrorists: 1
Bombs set off in the U.S. by Christians... difficult to determine, partly
because of identity of "Christians," but it's safe to say that all
abortion clinic bombs have been set off by Christians, and the KKK is
avowedly Christian also.

So, now who is the idiot?

DSK