( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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It is really getting bad... NOYB used to be one that one could have a
good
and insightful banter with...

Now he has degraded to nothing but a petty crybaby ...

Nuke the middle east, oil won't be affected, send the Guantanamo
detainees
to recover the oil...

Here's a hint for you NOYB, Nuclear contamination affects everything.
Granted the oil in ground might not be affected, but once it is brought
out
of the ground it will be. It will still be affected when it goes onto
the
boat to bring it to the refinery. Still affected when it is processed
into
the final form used by the consumer. Still affected as the consumer uses
it.

Sure, lets just nuke the middle east and slowly kill everyone in the
world
by the hundreds of years of contamination caused.

Lets also not forget the Nuclear Cloud... Where will it land? Will the
wind
carry it only over the Arab world? What about the wind shift that
carries
it
west and dumps it on England.... Carries it further and drops it on New
York
City....

Man, suddenly Sept 11, 2001 doesn't seem so bad, after all, there is one
in
the right wing that would want to kill-em-all including anyone that just
happens to be in the wrong place years down the road.

Here's an excerpt of a very recent newsflash for you:
"an Al Qaeda leader has said 4 million Americans will have to be killed
"as
a prerequisite to any Islamic victory."

No thanks. I say do unto others before they do unto you.

Do you want to know the turning point in my opinion? The huge amount of
outrage shown by the World in regard to the Abu Ghraib pictures...compared
to the ho-hum attitude displayed following the Berg decapitation.

Plus, it's more fun playing the Devil's advocate. Boring and low-key
solutions get no attention anyhow.



OK.....so exporting radioactive oil to this country would somehow solve the
problems of the Middle East?

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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What contributions would you consider valid ones?

The light bulb, penicillin, the first computer, the internal
combustion
engine and the automobile, space travel, airplanes, pre-emptive
strikes,
and
supply side economics. ;-)



Hmm. No literature. Not surprising, coming from the court jester.

lit·er·a·ture (ltr--chr, -chr)
n.
1.. The body of written works of a language, period, or culture.
2.. Imaginative or creative writing
I read a lot "imaginary or creative writing" everytime I read yours
or
Harry's posts here on rec.boats...or whenever I visit the NY Times
or
Washington Post website.

You also spew gibberish when you're trapped.

Trapped? By you? Puh-leeze. I asked you to name *one* Arab living in
an
Arab country who has made a significant positive contribution to society
in
the last 100 years, and the best you came up with is a guy who writes
literature that 99.9999999% of the World has never read. Some impact!



Source of numbers, please. And, provide an explanation for the author's
presence in American literary critiques on a pretty regular basis.


OK, maybe there's a couple of extra "9's" in there.

99.9995% of the World's population...would put the number of Naguib Mahfouz
readers at 1 million. That's beyond generous.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

wrote in message
hlink.net...
It is really getting bad... NOYB used to be one that one could have a
good
and insightful banter with...

Now he has degraded to nothing but a petty crybaby ...

Nuke the middle east, oil won't be affected, send the Guantanamo
detainees
to recover the oil...

Here's a hint for you NOYB, Nuclear contamination affects everything.
Granted the oil in ground might not be affected, but once it is
brought
out
of the ground it will be. It will still be affected when it goes onto
the
boat to bring it to the refinery. Still affected when it is processed
into
the final form used by the consumer. Still affected as the consumer
uses
it.

Sure, lets just nuke the middle east and slowly kill everyone in the
world
by the hundreds of years of contamination caused.

Lets also not forget the Nuclear Cloud... Where will it land? Will the
wind
carry it only over the Arab world? What about the wind shift that
carries
it
west and dumps it on England.... Carries it further and drops it on
New
York
City....

Man, suddenly Sept 11, 2001 doesn't seem so bad, after all, there is
one
in
the right wing that would want to kill-em-all including anyone that
just
happens to be in the wrong place years down the road.

Here's an excerpt of a very recent newsflash for you:
"an Al Qaeda leader has said 4 million Americans will have to be killed
"as
a prerequisite to any Islamic victory."

No thanks. I say do unto others before they do unto you.

Do you want to know the turning point in my opinion? The huge amount of
outrage shown by the World in regard to the Abu Ghraib
pictures...compared
to the ho-hum attitude displayed following the Berg decapitation.

Plus, it's more fun playing the Devil's advocate. Boring and low-key
solutions get no attention anyhow.



OK.....so exporting radioactive oil to this country would somehow solve
the
problems of the Middle East?

Of course not. But exporting one way nuke-tipped Tomahawks would.



BTW--Since you and I live in "this country", wouldn't it be more appropriate
to say "importing" radioactive oil to this country?

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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What contributions would you consider valid ones?

The light bulb, penicillin, the first computer, the internal
combustion
engine and the automobile, space travel, airplanes,
pre-emptive
strikes,
and
supply side economics. ;-)



Hmm. No literature. Not surprising, coming from the court
jester.

lit·er·a·ture (ltr--chr, -chr)
n.
1.. The body of written works of a language, period, or culture.
2.. Imaginative or creative writing
I read a lot "imaginary or creative writing" everytime I read
yours
or
Harry's posts here on rec.boats...or whenever I visit the NY Times
or
Washington Post website.

You also spew gibberish when you're trapped.

Trapped? By you? Puh-leeze. I asked you to name *one* Arab living
in
an
Arab country who has made a significant positive contribution to
society
in
the last 100 years, and the best you came up with is a guy who writes
literature that 99.9999999% of the World has never read. Some impact!



Source of numbers, please. And, provide an explanation for the author's
presence in American literary critiques on a pretty regular basis.


OK, maybe there's a couple of extra "9's" in there.

99.9995% of the World's population...would put the number of Naguib
Mahfouz
readers at 1 million. That's beyond generous.




Source of numbers, please. How do you know how many books he's sold? Hint:
You're pulling this outta your ass because you're a racist.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...


What contributions would you consider valid ones?

The light bulb, penicillin, the first computer, the internal
combustion
engine and the automobile, space travel, airplanes,
pre-emptive
strikes,
and
supply side economics. ;-)



Hmm. No literature. Not surprising, coming from the court
jester.

lit·er·a·ture (ltr--chr, -chr)
n.
1.. The body of written works of a language, period, or
culture.
2.. Imaginative or creative writing
I read a lot "imaginary or creative writing" everytime I read
yours
or
Harry's posts here on rec.boats...or whenever I visit the NY
Times
or
Washington Post website.

You also spew gibberish when you're trapped.

Trapped? By you? Puh-leeze. I asked you to name *one* Arab living
in
an
Arab country who has made a significant positive contribution to
society
in
the last 100 years, and the best you came up with is a guy who
writes
literature that 99.9999999% of the World has never read. Some
impact!



Source of numbers, please. And, provide an explanation for the
author's
presence in American literary critiques on a pretty regular basis.


OK, maybe there's a couple of extra "9's" in there.

99.9995% of the World's population...would put the number of Naguib
Mahfouz
readers at 1 million. That's beyond generous.




Source of numbers, please. How do you know how many books he's sold? Hint:
You're pulling this outta your ass

Yep. Do you have a better estimate?

because you're a racist.

LOL. Racism has zip, zero, and nada to do with it. Nice
"liberal-losing-an-argument" tactic, though.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...


What contributions would you consider valid ones?

The light bulb, penicillin, the first computer, the
internal
combustion
engine and the automobile, space travel, airplanes,
pre-emptive
strikes,
and
supply side economics. ;-)



Hmm. No literature. Not surprising, coming from the court
jester.

lit·er·a·ture (ltr--chr, -chr)
n.
1.. The body of written works of a language, period, or
culture.
2.. Imaginative or creative writing
I read a lot "imaginary or creative writing" everytime I read
yours
or
Harry's posts here on rec.boats...or whenever I visit the NY
Times
or
Washington Post website.

You also spew gibberish when you're trapped.

Trapped? By you? Puh-leeze. I asked you to name *one* Arab
living
in
an
Arab country who has made a significant positive contribution to
society
in
the last 100 years, and the best you came up with is a guy who
writes
literature that 99.9999999% of the World has never read. Some
impact!



Source of numbers, please. And, provide an explanation for the
author's
presence in American literary critiques on a pretty regular basis.


OK, maybe there's a couple of extra "9's" in there.

99.9995% of the World's population...would put the number of Naguib
Mahfouz
readers at 1 million. That's beyond generous.




Source of numbers, please. How do you know how many books he's sold?
Hint:
You're pulling this outta your ass

Yep. Do you have a better estimate?

because you're a racist.

LOL. Racism has zip, zero, and nada to do with it. Nice
"liberal-losing-an-argument" tactic, though.





You'd nuke an entire region because of a few terrorists? Racist. You know
that.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

Doug Kanter wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
thlink.net...


What contributions would you consider valid ones?

The light bulb, penicillin, the first computer, the internal

combustion

engine and the automobile, space travel, airplanes, pre-emptive

strikes,

and

supply side economics. ;-)



Hmm. No literature. Not surprising, coming from the court jester.

lit·er·a·ture (ltr--chr, -chr)
n.
1.. The body of written works of a language, period, or culture.
2.. Imaginative or creative writing
I read a lot "imaginary or creative writing" everytime I read yours or
Harry's posts here on rec.boats...or whenever I visit the NY Times or
Washington Post website.

You also spew gibberish when you're trapped.

Trapped? By you? Puh-leeze. I asked you to name *one* Arab living in an
Arab country who has made a significant positive contribution to society

in

the last 100 years, and the best you came up with is a guy who writes
literature that 99.9999999% of the World has never read. Some impact!




Source of numbers, please. And, provide an explanation for the author's
presence in American literary critiques on a pretty regular basis.


Well, there's the late Hassan Fathy, an Egyptian I knew and greatly admired.

Hassan Fathy

Fathy devoted himself to housing the poor in developing nations and
deserves study by anyone involved in rural improvement. Fathy worked to
create an indigenous environment at a minimal cost, and in so doing to
improve the economy and the standard of living in rural areas. Fathy
utilized ancient design methods and materials. He integrated a knowledge
of the rural Egyptian economic situation with a wide knowledge of
ancient architectural and town design techniques. He trained local
inhabitants to make their own materials and build their own buildings.
Climatic conditions, public health considerations, and ancient craft
skills also affected his design decisions. Based on the structural
massing of ancient buildings, Fathy incorporated dense brick walls and
traditional courtyard forms to provide passive cooling.

23 March 1900 Born in Alexandria, Egypt.

1926
Graduated from High School of Engineering, Architectural Section,
University of King Fuad I (now University of Cairo), Cairo.

1926-1930
Worked at the Department of Municipal Affairs, Cairo.

1930-1946 Taught at the Faculty of Fine Arts, Cairo.

1937
Designed and exhibited first mud brick projects - country houses for
Lower Egypt.

1941
Constructed first mud brick structures incorporating the inclined vault
- experimental housing in Bahtim, Egypt, commissioned by the Royal
Society of Agriculture.

1946-1953
Delegated to the Antiquities Department to design and supervise the
project of New Gourna Village at Luxor, to displace the inhabitants of
the Old Gourna from the Antiquities Zone.

1949-1952
Appointed Director of the School Building Department, Ministry of Education.

1950
Delegated Consultant to the United Nations Refugee World Assistance.

1953-1957
Returned to teaching at the Faculty of Fine Arts, Cairo. Head of the
Architectural Section in 1954.

1957-1962
Joined Doxiades Associates in Athens as consultant. Lecturer on Climate
and Architecture at the Athens Technical Institute. Member of the
Research Project for the City of the Future.

1963-1965
Director of Pilot Projects for Housing, Ministry of Scientific Research,
Cairo. Designed High Institute of Social Anthropology and Folk Art for
the Ministry of Culture, Cairo. Worked as Consultant to the Minister of
Tourism, Cairo. Delegated by the United Nations Organization for Rural
Development Project in Saudi Arabia.

1966
Lectured on philosophy and aesthetics in Town Planning and Architecture
Department at al-Azhar University.

1975-1977
Lectured on rural housing at the Faculty of Agriculture, Cairo University.

1976-1980
Member, Steering Committee, Aga Khan Award for Architecture.

1977-
Founder and Director, the International Institute for Appropriate
Technology.

Affiliations

Member of the High Council of Arts and Letters, Egypt. Honorary Fellow,
American Research Centre, Cairo.
Honorary Fellow, American Institute of Architecture, 1976.

Awards

1959 Encouragement Prize for Fine Arts and Gold Medal.

1967
National Prize for Fine Arts and Republic Decoration.

1980
Chairman's Award, the Aga Khan Award for Architecture.

1984 Union Internationale des Architectes, Gold Medal.

(Source: The Aga Khan Trust for Culture. 1989. The Hassan Fathy
Collection. A Catalogue of Visual Documents at the Aga Khan Award for
Architecture. Bern, Switzerland: AKTC.)


And then, of course, there is the Aga Khan. And Sadat.

I am no fan of contemporary or recent Arab/Moslem culture or history,
but there have been some significant contributors to the advancement of
our society.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...


What contributions would you consider valid ones?

The light bulb, penicillin, the first computer, the
internal
combustion
engine and the automobile, space travel, airplanes,
pre-emptive
strikes,
and
supply side economics. ;-)



Hmm. No literature. Not surprising, coming from the court
jester.

lit·er·a·ture (ltr--chr, -chr)
n.
1.. The body of written works of a language, period, or
culture.
2.. Imaginative or creative writing
I read a lot "imaginary or creative writing" everytime I
read
yours
or
Harry's posts here on rec.boats...or whenever I visit the NY
Times
or
Washington Post website.

You also spew gibberish when you're trapped.

Trapped? By you? Puh-leeze. I asked you to name *one* Arab
living
in
an
Arab country who has made a significant positive contribution to
society
in
the last 100 years, and the best you came up with is a guy who
writes
literature that 99.9999999% of the World has never read. Some
impact!



Source of numbers, please. And, provide an explanation for the
author's
presence in American literary critiques on a pretty regular basis.


OK, maybe there's a couple of extra "9's" in there.

99.9995% of the World's population...would put the number of Naguib
Mahfouz
readers at 1 million. That's beyond generous.




Source of numbers, please. How do you know how many books he's sold?
Hint:
You're pulling this outta your ass

Yep. Do you have a better estimate?

because you're a racist.

LOL. Racism has zip, zero, and nada to do with it. Nice
"liberal-losing-an-argument" tactic, though.





You'd nuke an entire region because of a few terrorists? Racist. You know
that.


It's not racism, Doug. Intolerance of militant religions, maybe...but not
racism.

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
I am no fan of contemporary or recent Arab/Moslem culture or history,
but there have been some significant contributors to the advancement of
our society.

You sure seem to have backed off your position from 2 years ago. Here's
what you had to say
in April 2002:

"The reality is that for at least the last 100 years, the so-called Arab
states have contributed absolutely nothing to the furthering of society in
any field of endeavor and the only reason anyone tolerates their anti-social
behavior is because they happen to be sitting on oil. If it weren't for
their oil, no one would pay them the slightest attention.
Their contributions to the fields of medicine, other sciences, the arts,
socialization, you name it and there is nothing there. Oh...I
forgot...they're adept at cowardice, at furthering the methodology of
terrorism and waging war on non-combatants."

( OT ) Where have you gone, Rosy Scenario?
 

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

I am no fan of contemporary or recent Arab/Moslem culture or history,
but there have been some significant contributors to the advancement of
our society.


You sure seem to have backed off your position from 2 years ago. Here's
what you had to say
in April 2002:

"The reality is that for at least the last 100 years, the so-called Arab
states have contributed absolutely nothing to the furthering of society in
any field of endeavor and the only reason anyone tolerates their anti-social
behavior is because they happen to be sitting on oil. If it weren't for
their oil, no one would pay them the slightest attention.
Their contributions to the fields of medicine, other sciences, the arts,
socialization, you name it and there is nothing there. Oh...I
forgot...they're adept at cowardice, at furthering the methodology of
terrorism and waging war on non-combatants."




Well, unlike you, I don't suffer from a rigid personality or locked
intellectuality. I don't believe Arab society has contributed much since
the last 50 years of the Ottoman Empire, but, of course, there have been
some individuals who have made a positive difference. There were even a
few righteous Germans in Germany during WW II. I don't think much of
Arab society for the last 100-150 years.