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"DSK" wrote in message
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John H wrote:
So if a bad guy lives in California, then the California government
supports
him? Is that your logic here?

It seems better logic than to claim that if a bad guy lives in
California, then the North Korean gov't must be supporting him.

If the Kurds were Saddam's enemies, and Al Zaqwari was living &
operating there, then it seems likely that he was one of Saddam's
enemies too.

Is that too logical and consistent for you?

Your attempt at logic misses two key elements of truth that makes your
conclusion erroneous: 1) the PUK peshmerga were battling the Ansar-al-Islam
terrorists after the terrorists tried to assassinate their Prime Minister,
and 2) Saddam had a high-level agent in northeastern Iraq coordinating
attacks while Ansar-al-Islam had at least 8 terrorist coordinating money,
supplies, and intelligence out of Baghdad.

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wrote in message
link.net...
More information that has no place to verify it.... How much time do you
spend making this stuff up?

It's easily verified if you quit relying solely on the BBC and al Jazeera
for your misinformation.

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I have never quoted from either of those sources in this newsgroup.

And I don't need to verify.. If you want it believed, then source it

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

wrote in message
link.net...
More information that has no place to verify it.... How much time do you
spend making this stuff up?

It's easily verified if you quit relying solely on the BBC and al Jazeera
for your misinformation.

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"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

wrote in message
hlink.net...
I have never quoted from either of those sources in this newsgroup.

And I don't need to verify.. If you want it believed, then source it

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world...sar021231.html
This story appears to be from December 31, 2002 yet gives nothing definitive
in a Saddam - Al Al-Qaeda connection... Only speculation

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0402/p01s03-wome.html
And this story clearly states "The Al Qaeda-Kurdish ties appear to have
grown closer by the summer of 2000"

If I remember correctly, Saddam was out to kill the Kurds.....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101635,00.html
That information is the first solid evidence of links between remnants of
Saddam's regime and the non-Iraqi fighters responsible for at least some of
the attacks on US forces and their Iraqi allies, the official said.

Funny thing with this story is they are talking of remenants of the former
regime... Not talking about any connection prior to Saddam being removed.

And the big one:
The group operated in a small section of northern Iraq surrounded by
Kurdish-controlled areas which were outside Saddam's control.

Kurdish officials have long alleged that Saddam's government helped Ansar,
but US officials have said they haven't yet found definitive proof of that.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=5571
Bush administration and PUK officials have also speculated that Ansar may be
working with Saddam through a man named Abu Wa'il, reportedly an al-Qaeda
operative on Saddam's payroll.

Speculation is a bad thing.... Facts, now those are good things.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...3/768rwsbj.asp
This article removes the validation of any prior to it. One man that was
suposed to be active with Ansar al Islam in Northern Iraq was actually
killed in January 2000 in a battle with Lebanese forces.... Sorry but a dead
man can't be active 1 year 9 months after his death... Ansar al Islam was
started September 1, 2001 according to all other accounts.

http://www.themercury.news.com.au/co...55E401,00.html
That information is the first solid evidence of links between remnants of
Saddam's regime and the non-Iraqi fighters responsible for at least some of
the attacks on US forces and their Iraqi allies, the official said.

Funny thing with this story is they are talking of remenants of the former
regime... Not talking about any connection prior to Saddam being removed.

And the big one:
The group operated in a small section of northern Iraq surrounded by
Kurdish-controlled areas which were outside Saddam's control.

Kurdish officials have long alleged that Saddam's government helped Ansar,
but US officials have said they haven't yet found definitive proof of that.

By the way... It is the same article from the Fox News site

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...-attacks_x.htm
I won't repeat it a 3rd time... This is the same story as the Fox News Site
again

Sorry but I don't get swayed by repetitive articles... My mind works better
than that.

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wrote in message
hlink.net...

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

wrote in message
hlink.net...
I have never quoted from either of those sources in this newsgroup.

And I don't need to verify.. If you want it believed, then source it

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world...sar021231.html
This story appears to be from December 31, 2002 yet gives nothing
definitive
in a Saddam - Al Al-Qaeda connection... Only speculation

It was speculation in 2002. By now, it's pretty much confirmed considering
the recent actions of al Zarqawi.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0402/p01s03-wome.html
And this story clearly states "The Al Qaeda-Kurdish ties appear to have
grown closer by the summer of 2000"

If I remember correctly, Saddam was out to kill the Kurds.....

Yes. So was the al Qaeda faction, Ansar-al-Islam. That gives them a common
motive, no?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101635,00.html
That information is the first solid evidence of links between remnants of
Saddam's regime and the non-Iraqi fighters responsible for at least some
of
the attacks on US forces and their Iraqi allies, the official said.

Funny thing with this story is they are talking of remenants of the former
regime... Not talking about any connection prior to Saddam being removed.

Miraculously, while we are looking for "remnants of the former regime", the
al Qaeda terrorists manage to find them first and combine forces. I think
it's more realistic that they simply reunited through already-established
ties.

And the big one:
The group operated in a small section of northern Iraq surrounded by
Kurdish-controlled areas which were outside Saddam's control.

Kurdish officials have long alleged that Saddam's government helped Ansar,
but US officials have said they haven't yet found definitive proof of
that.

"...haven't *YET* found definitive proof..."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=5571
Bush administration and PUK officials have also speculated that Ansar may
be
working with Saddam through a man named Abu Wa'il, reportedly an al-Qaeda
operative on Saddam's payroll.

Speculation is a bad thing.... Facts, now those are good things.

Facts are found when you pursue speculative leads. Remember, most of these
articles are anywhere from 6 months to almost 2 years old. The facts will
be presented in due time. There's still a lot of time before the November
election.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...3/768rwsbj.asp
This article removes the validation of any prior to it. One man that was
suposed to be active with Ansar al Islam in Northern Iraq was actually
killed in January 2000 in a battle with Lebanese forces.... Sorry but a
dead
man can't be active 1 year 9 months after his death... Ansar al Islam was
started September 1, 2001 according to all other accounts.

No. The date you mention is when bin Laden sent additional al Qaeda
terrorists from Afghanistan to northeastern Iraq...speculating that the
fallout just 10 days later would make Afghanistan unsuitable for further al
qaeda operations. The new terrorists simply linked up with groups that were
already there.

http://www.themercury.news.com.au/co...55E401,00.html
That information is the first solid evidence of links between remnants of
Saddam's regime and the non-Iraqi fighters responsible for at least some
of
the attacks on US forces and their Iraqi allies, the official said.

Funny thing with this story is they are talking of remenants of the former
regime... Not talking about any connection prior to Saddam being removed.

And the big one:
The group operated in a small section of northern Iraq surrounded by
Kurdish-controlled areas which were outside Saddam's control.

Kurdish officials have long alleged that Saddam's government helped Ansar,
but US officials have said they haven't yet found definitive proof of
that.

By the way... It is the same article from the Fox News site

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...-attacks_x.htm
I won't repeat it a 3rd time... This is the same story as the Fox News
Site
again

Sorry but I don't get swayed by repetitive articles... My mind works
better
than that.

The point of listing the same article from three independent sites is to
show you that various mainstream media outlets have carried this story...yet
I couldn't find a single mention of them in the NY Times, Washington Post,
LA Times, CNN, BBC, or al Jazeera. If you're getting your info solely from
those sources, you're being spoon-fed liberal bull**** and spin.

The al Qaeda-Saddam link will slowly grow into the most dominant news story
flooding the airwaves this Summer and Fall. You're starting to see bits and
pieces already...which is why I say that today's discovery of the sarin gas
shell (and the discovery two weeks ago of the mustard gas shell) is just the
tip of the iceberg.

Just watch. Bush and Co. will continue to build the case that al qaeda and
Saddam were working together prior to and after 9/11.

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On Mon, 17 May 2004 21:26:32 GMT, wrote:

John H
If the bad guy lived in California, and the California Government supported
him, there would be a connection....

But a bad guy living in the Kurdish area, gassed by Saddam... I think it is
safe to say Saddam didn't support him.

"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:04:59 -0400, DSK wrote:

NOYB wrote:
In January 2003, we had plenty of circumstantial evidence linking them.
Bush never said "there's no link". He said "I can't make that claim".
That's a pretty big difference. Why don't you look for something more
current? Like this, for example:

Bush Says Berg's Death Links Hussein, Al Qaeda

Hel-lo, NOBBY, anybody home?

Zarqawi was living in Kurdish controlled territory... you know, our
friends, the Kurds, who are such strong Saddam supporters that he gassed
them many times?

DSK

So if a bad guy lives in California, then the California government
supports
him? Is that your logic here?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

So it would not be possible for a bad guy to live in California and be supported
by someone living in Kansas?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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John H wrote:
So it would not be possible for a bad guy to live in California and be supported
by someone living in Kansas?

Sure.

But OTOH if you invaded Kansas and killed 10,000+ Kansans because of it,
then you had better be damned sure of the facts... unlike NOBBY... and
Bush & Cheney & Rumsfeld, for that matter. If you tortured 100s of
Kansans (or ordered others to do so) because of it, you'd be considered
a war criminal and definitely part of the problem rather than part of
the solution.

isn't it funny how we're one year into a major war, and the Bush/Cheney
cheerleaders have nothing to offer but maybes and future
investigation... and one 20+ year old artillery shell with sarin gas.

DSK