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"Dave Hall" ...

If anyone still doubts that this story is nothing more than attempts
to further smear the president, I'd suggest that you are more than
just a little naive.....

You appear to be claiming absolute knowledge of others thoughts and motivations.
I'd suggest that is more than just a little ignorant...

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-rick- wrote:

"Dave Hall" ...


If anyone still doubts that this story is nothing more than attempts
to further smear the president, I'd suggest that you are more than
just a little naive.....


You appear to be claiming absolute knowledge of others thoughts and motivations.
I'd suggest that is more than just a little ignorant...




I'm offering to sponsor a road trip to Dave's lawn for a group of guys
with large dogs. Dave is hoping to cover his front lawn in dog poop.

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Interesting....
I copy the same paragraph you do and find it says "MEQUON, Wis., May 14 --
President Bush told graduates of a Christian college Friday that the abuse
of Iraqi prisoners has embarrassed the country, and he offered
"compassionate conservatism" as an antidote to "show the good heart of our
country to the whole world." "

Now further down in the story it does say:
"Bush spoke of Nicholas Berg, the young American who was recently beheaded
in Iraq. The CIA has blamed Abu Musab Zarqawi, a Jordanian terrorist
connected to the al Qaeda terrorist network, and Bush used the killing to
make the case that Saddam Hussein "had terrorist ties."
"The person responsible for the Berg death, Zarqawi, was in and out of
Baghdad prior to our arrival, for example," the president said. "

But I don't see bush quoted here as blaming "al Qaeda supporter Abu Musab
Zarqawi for beheading American Nicholas Berg"

I do see the CIA blaming him

Funny how you try to twist things your way, and find the twist isn't there.



"NOYB" wrote in message
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Well I guess we have located the naive fool

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in573801.shtml
President Bush and other administration officials have recently
acknowledged
there are no links between Saddam and Sept. 11.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...030131-23.html

Q One question for you both. Do you believe that there is a link between
Saddam Hussein, a direct link, and the men who attacked on September the
11th?

THE PRESIDENT: I can't make that claim.


In January 2003, we had plenty of circumstantial evidence linking them.
Bush never said "there's no link". He said "I can't make that claim".
That's a pretty big difference. Why don't you look for something more
current? Like this, for example:

Bush Says Berg's Death Links Hussein, Al Qaeda

Reuters
Saturday, May 15, 2004; Page A07


MEQUON, Wis., May 14 -- President Bush on Friday blamed al Qaeda supporter
Abu Musab Zarqawi for beheading American Nicholas Berg and cited Zarqawi
as
an example of Saddam Hussein's "terrorist ties" before the U.S.-led war in
Iraq.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004May14.html

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Interesting....
I copy the same paragraph you do and find it says "MEQUON, Wis., May 14 --
President Bush told graduates of a Christian college Friday that the abuse
of Iraqi prisoners has embarrassed the country, and he offered
"compassionate conservatism" as an antidote to "show the good heart of our
country to the whole world." "

Now further down in the story it does say:
"Bush spoke of Nicholas Berg, the young American who was recently beheaded
in Iraq. The CIA has blamed Abu Musab Zarqawi, a Jordanian terrorist
connected to the al Qaeda terrorist network, and Bush used the killing to
make the case that Saddam Hussein "had terrorist ties."
"The person responsible for the Berg death, Zarqawi, was in and out of
Baghdad prior to our arrival, for example," the president said. "

But I don't see bush quoted here as blaming "al Qaeda supporter Abu Musab
Zarqawi for beheading American Nicholas Berg"

Huh? You don't see Bush quoted as blaming Zarqawi? Here's what *your*
article says:
"The person responsible for the Berg death, Zarqawi, was in and out of
Baghdad prior to our arrival, for example," the president said. "



I do see the CIA blaming him

Funny how you try to twist things your way, and find the twist isn't
there.


Twist things my way? All I did was post a story from Friday's Washington
Post. The title of the article was "Bush Says Berg's Death Links Hussein, Al
Qaeda". What more proof do you need that Bush will use the time between now
and November to show the link between al Qaeda and Hussein?

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NOYB wrote:
In January 2003, we had plenty of circumstantial evidence linking them.
Bush never said "there's no link". He said "I can't make that claim".
That's a pretty big difference. Why don't you look for something more
current? Like this, for example:

Bush Says Berg's Death Links Hussein, Al Qaeda

Hel-lo, NOBBY, anybody home?

Zarqawi was living in Kurdish controlled territory... you know, our
friends, the Kurds, who are such strong Saddam supporters that he gassed
them many times?

DSK

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On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:04:59 -0400, DSK wrote:

NOYB wrote:
In January 2003, we had plenty of circumstantial evidence linking them.
Bush never said "there's no link". He said "I can't make that claim".
That's a pretty big difference. Why don't you look for something more
current? Like this, for example:

Bush Says Berg's Death Links Hussein, Al Qaeda

Hel-lo, NOBBY, anybody home?

Zarqawi was living in Kurdish controlled territory... you know, our
friends, the Kurds, who are such strong Saddam supporters that he gassed
them many times?

DSK

So if a bad guy lives in California, then the California government supports
him? Is that your logic here?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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John H
If the bad guy lived in California, and the California Government supported
him, there would be a connection....

But a bad guy living in the Kurdish area, gassed by Saddam... I think it is
safe to say Saddam didn't support him.

"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 11:04:59 -0400, DSK wrote:

NOYB wrote:
In January 2003, we had plenty of circumstantial evidence linking them.
Bush never said "there's no link". He said "I can't make that claim".
That's a pretty big difference. Why don't you look for something more
current? Like this, for example:

Bush Says Berg's Death Links Hussein, Al Qaeda

Hel-lo, NOBBY, anybody home?

Zarqawi was living in Kurdish controlled territory... you know, our
friends, the Kurds, who are such strong Saddam supporters that he gassed
them many times?

DSK

So if a bad guy lives in California, then the California government
supports
him? Is that your logic here?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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John H
If the bad guy lived in California, and the California Government
supported
him, there would be a connection....

But a bad guy living in the Kurdish area, gassed by Saddam... I think it
is
safe to say Saddam didn't support him.


Saddam had Iraqi agents working up there with al Zaqarwi and his Ansar
al-Islam branch of al Qaeda. The Patriotic Union of Kurdistan peshmerga
began battling the group after a failed assassination attempt on the Kurdish
Prime Minister in 2002. bin Laden sent the terrorists to the Northeast part
of Iraq on September 1, 2001 to set up safe-haven for terrorists following
the 9/11 attacks that were to follow 10 days later. Also, the terrorists
were working with Saddam with the agreement to provide terrorist attacks
against the flank of any US troop movement or special forces ops advancing
on Baghdad from the north.

If Ansar-al-Islam was battling the PUK soldiers but helping Saddam, I think
it's safe to say that Saddam *did* support al Zaqarwi and his group.

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John H wrote:
So if a bad guy lives in California, then the California government supports
him? Is that your logic here?

It seems better logic than to claim that if a bad guy lives in
California, then the North Korean gov't must be supporting him.

If the Kurds were Saddam's enemies, and Al Zaqwari was living &
operating there, then it seems likely that he was one of Saddam's
enemies too.

Is that too logical and consistent for you?

DSK

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More information that has no place to verify it.... How much time do you
spend making this stuff up?

"NOYB" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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John H
If the bad guy lived in California, and the California Government
supported
him, there would be a connection....

But a bad guy living in the Kurdish area, gassed by Saddam... I think it
is
safe to say Saddam didn't support him.


Saddam had Iraqi agents working up there with al Zaqarwi and his Ansar
al-Islam branch of al Qaeda. The Patriotic Union of Kurdistan peshmerga
began battling the group after a failed assassination attempt on the
Kurdish
Prime Minister in 2002. bin Laden sent the terrorists to the Northeast
part
of Iraq on September 1, 2001 to set up safe-haven for terrorists following
the 9/11 attacks that were to follow 10 days later. Also, the terrorists
were working with Saddam with the agreement to provide terrorist attacks
against the flank of any US troop movement or special forces ops advancing
on Baghdad from the north.

If Ansar-al-Islam was battling the PUK soldiers but helping Saddam, I
think
it's safe to say that Saddam *did* support al Zaqarwi and his group.