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John
You right winged jack ass, September 11, 2001 was done by al-Qaida... What
does that have to do with an unjust war in Iraq?

In February 2003, Colin Powell made the case before the UN that al Zaqawi
was in control of an Iraqi al Qaeda group.

The nexus with Al Qaeda, Mr. Powell said, originates with a branch headed by
Abu Massab al-Zaqawi, a senior associate of Osama bin Laden. He said Mr.
Zaqawi has a camp in the northeastern corner of Kurdish Iraq teaching
terrorist operatives how to produce ricin and other extremely lethal
chemicals. He said Mr. Zaqawi has received medical treatment in Baghdad and
that there are also other Zaqawi brigades operating in Baghdad.
"From his terrorist network in Iraq, Zaqawi can direct his terrorist network
in the Middle East and beyond," Mr. Powell said. He also accused Mr. Zaqawi
of providing money and weapons used in the murder of Lawrence Foley, an
employee with the Agency for International Development, in Amman, Jordan
last October. He noted that "Al Qaeda continues to have deep interest in
acquiring weapons of mass destruction" and that Qaeda operatives trained
with chemical weapons in Iraq between 1997 and 2000."

Now, al Zaqawi is leading the terrorist attacks against coalition troops,
civilians, and oil pipelines and rigs in the region. It doesn't take a
genius to see the relation.





Not a freaking thing.

Must be nice living in denial. Everything's peachy-keen there, eh?


Yes we lost almost 3000 that day... Go to war against those that caused
that
day to happen, not against the people of Iraq.


The people who made 9/11 happen are the ones who are trying to kill our
troops in Iraq.


It is clear, by the name of the suposed man involved with Saturday's
travesty that al-Qaida is the enemy.

Well, no **** Sherlock.



al-Qaida is the one trying to kill Americans
al-Qaida is the one killing innocent Americans
al-Qaida is the one we are at war with

al Qaida has a heavy presence in Iraq...now...and before the war.


America wouldn't negotiate with these criminals, America wouldn't do
anything to help save this mans life, America thought him to be
expendable.

What would you have had America to do? Leave Iraq? As if that would have
worked...

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. First you said he was
killed because of what happened in Abu Ghraib. Then you said he was killed
because America wouldn't help him. If he was killed because of Abu Ghraid,
then there was nothing we could have done anyhow. Right?


Not my America, only yours. My America would have taken the time needed to
find where this man was, then mow down the full lot of them including the
prisoners they wanted released.

The tape lasted a little over 5 minutes. It would have been a helluva feat
to locate the terrorists and kill 'em before the last 30 seconds of it.


My America would have brought this man home safe.

I'm not sure what America you live in, but I want nothing to do with any
America that thinks any AMERICAN is expendable.

Remember these people, as they deserve to be remembered... They have paid
the ultimate price for you to sit on your right winged ass and say they
aren't worth it.


Nick Berg from Pennsylvania.... Remember that name as you praise the
people
that torture.
His mother - Suzanne
His Father - Michael
His Sister - Sarah
His Brother - David

Remember these 5 names as you praise the work of the current
administration,
remember them as you open your eyes to see the failed policy, the needless
deaths.

It must end, America must withdraw, the killing must come to an end.

I pity you


The killing will only continue. However, it will be in NY, and LA, and
Chicago, and Washington...instead of Baghdad, Fallujah, Basra, and Najaf.
No thanks.

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NOYB wrote:
Radical Muslims want us dead. The argument that our troop's actions are
creating new radical fundamentalists each day is ridiculous.

Umm, no. It is a pretty easily verifiable fact.

... If Islam is a
peace-loving religion, a few hundred pics of naked Iraqis isn't going to
turn the moderates into radicals. There are no moderate, peace-loving
Muslims...which makes it easy to decide who gets bombed next.

So you love President George Bush because he is leading the U.S. step by
step into a holy war to exterminate all Muslims? That'll make a great
Republican campaign plank.

DSK

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"NOYB" wrote in message ...
"-rick-" wrote in message
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"NOYB" ...

Hey, dat's me! Yeah, Harry's right...I don't care what the World
thinks.
If torturing those guys saved one American life, then it was worth it.

If your son or daughter were captured would you accept reciprocity.

The enemy has already demonstrated how they treat (mistreat) hostages. Do I
need to link you to the pictures? They're still pretty vivid in my mind.

They are only the enemy because we invaded their country. How would
YOU treat, let's say, the Chinese "coalition", if they decided that
they needed to invade our country, with enough troops to totally
occupy it, because they claimed that we had weapons of mass
destruction, no wait, that we harbored and helped Al Quida, not wait,
that we were planning on invading them with cardboard aircraft, no
wait, that Saddam is bad, no wait, because they are evil-doers??

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On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:23:36 -0400, NOYB wrote:


In February 2003, Colin Powell made the case before the UN that al
Zaqawi was in control of an Iraqi al Qaeda group.

While al-Zarqawi is definitely anti-American, some analysts dispute that
he is al Qaeda. Oh, and much of his terrorist training was under the
watchful eye of our very own CIA in Afghanistan fighting the Soviets. You
have to love the foresight exhibited by our trusty spooks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3483089.stm



The nexus with Al Qaeda, Mr. Powell said, originates with a branch
headed by Abu Massab al-Zaqawi, a senior associate of Osama bin Laden.
He said Mr. Zaqawi has a camp in the northeastern corner of Kurdish Iraq
teaching terrorist operatives how to produce ricin and other extremely
lethal chemicals.

Just to remind you, Kurdish Iraq was in the US defined "no-fly zone",
where al-Zarqawi was protected from Saddam, by *us*.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

wrote in message
nk.net...

John
You right winged jack ass, September 11, 2001 was done by al-Qaida...
What
does that have to do with an unjust war in Iraq?


In February 2003, Colin Powell made the case before the UN that al
Zaqawi
was in control of an Iraqi al Qaeda group.


Much as I respect Powell's intellect, the fact is that whether
innocently or in collusion with the Bush-****ters, he presented a
significant amount of false or incorrect intel to the UN and others.


It seems as if he was pretty accurate, however, about al Zaqawi and the al
Qaeda faction already in northeastern Iraq prior to the war.



Haven't you figured out by now that much of the intel on which the
Bush-****ters rely is just plain bad, or false? And, worse, among the
intel pickings the Bush-****ters see, they tend to believe and endorse
that which seems to support their concepts of war-mongering and dismiss
that which should point them in a different direction.

In summary, it is clear that when it comes to intel, we don't have much
that is reliable, and to the guys in the Bush-****ter administration who
are "interpreting" it, well, that simply doesn't matter.

I'm still convinced that the bulk of the WMD stockpiles were destroyed or
hidden in the sand just prior to the war...and the remainder of the bio and
chemical technology (the stuff that was easier to transport discreetly) was
shipped to Syria.

But this discussion isn't about the WMD claims. It's about Powell stating
that al Zaqawi was al Qaeda's leader operating in Iraq prior to the war.
Now the guy is blowing up oil rigs off the coast, pil pipelines in the
desert, and kidnapping and beheading Westerners. I'd say that's a pretty
strong smoking gun showing that al Qaeda was in Iraq working with Hussein
(or at least with his knowledge) prior to our invasion.

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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:23:36 -0400, NOYB wrote:


In February 2003, Colin Powell made the case before the UN that al
Zaqawi was in control of an Iraqi al Qaeda group.

While al-Zarqawi is definitely anti-American, some analysts dispute that
he is al Qaeda.

Which "analysts"? The ones quoted by al Jazeera?


Oh, and much of his terrorist training was under the
watchful eye of our very own CIA in Afghanistan fighting the Soviets. You
have to love the foresight exhibited by our trusty spooks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3483089.stm

Your referenced website seems to refute your claim that al Zaqawi isn't
linked to al Qaeda. Do you have any others that say he isn't al Qaeda?





The nexus with Al Qaeda, Mr. Powell said, originates with a branch
headed by Abu Massab al-Zaqawi, a senior associate of Osama bin Laden.
He said Mr. Zaqawi has a camp in the northeastern corner of Kurdish Iraq
teaching terrorist operatives how to produce ricin and other extremely
lethal chemicals.

Just to remind you, Kurdish Iraq was in the US defined "no-fly zone",
where al-Zarqawi was protected from Saddam, by *us*.

Iraq was violating the no-fly zones. Nevertheless, you don't need to fly
airplanes over northeastern Iraq in order to maintain contact with the
psycho operating up there.

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
Radical Muslims want us dead. The argument that our troop's actions are
creating new radical fundamentalists each day is ridiculous.

Umm, no. It is a pretty easily verifiable fact.

Whooosh! You obviously missed the point. A *peaceful* Muslim doesn't
become a cold-blooded suicide bomber because of a few pictures of naked
Iraqis. America's actions are simply exposing the sleeper groups of
radicals who have been posing as "moderates". Did you notice how very few
"moderate" Muslim clerics denounced the killing of Berg?



... If Islam is a
peace-loving religion, a few hundred pics of naked Iraqis isn't going to
turn the moderates into radicals. There are no moderate, peace-loving
Muslims...which makes it easy to decide who gets bombed next.

So you love President George Bush because he is leading the U.S. step by
step into a holy war to exterminate all Muslims? That'll make a great
Republican campaign plank.

The Crusades in the 11th, 12th, and 13th century were preceded by Mohammed's
persecution of infidels. Remember that we didn't start this war.

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NOYB wrote:
Whooosh! You obviously missed the point. A *peaceful* Muslim doesn't
become a cold-blooded suicide bomber because of a few pictures of naked
Iraqis. America's actions are simply exposing the sleeper groups of
radicals who have been posing as "moderates".

You really believe this? Oh yeah, and you really believe there really
are *still* WMDs. I guess I'm not going to ask your opinion on Santa
Claus and the Easter Bunny.



So you love President George Bush because he is leading the U.S. step by
step into a holy war to exterminate all Muslims? That'll make a great
Republican campaign plank.


The Crusades in the 11th, 12th, and 13th century were preceded by Mohammed's
persecution of infidels.


In other words, yes?

I hope that you and your fellow Bush cheerleaders go around shouting
this from rooftops. Don't be afraid to tell the truth!

... Remember that we didn't start this war.

I agree, "we" didn't. Dick Cheney started it so that his clique of
military contractors, headed by Halliburton, would reap enormous profits
(Halliburton profits up something like 600% last year, check the news).

If you are talking about the war on terrorism, I'd agree again. But
invading Iraq is not about terrorism, and actually has weakened the US
tremendously. It's all about oil, as you pointed out yesterday.

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
Whooosh! You obviously missed the point. A *peaceful* Muslim doesn't
become a cold-blooded suicide bomber because of a few pictures of naked
Iraqis. America's actions are simply exposing the sleeper groups of
radicals who have been posing as "moderates".

You really believe this? Oh yeah, and you really believe there really
are *still* WMDs. I guess I'm not going to ask your opinion on Santa
Claus and the Easter Bunny.



So you love President George Bush because he is leading the U.S. step by
step into a holy war to exterminate all Muslims? That'll make a great
Republican campaign plank.


The Crusades in the 11th, 12th, and 13th century were preceded by
Mohammed's
persecution of infidels.


In other words, yes?

I hope that you and your fellow Bush cheerleaders go around shouting
this from rooftops. Don't be afraid to tell the truth!

... Remember that we didn't start this war.

I agree, "we" didn't. Dick Cheney started it so that his clique of
military contractors, headed by Halliburton, would reap enormous profits
(Halliburton profits up something like 600% last year, check the news).

If you are talking about the war on terrorism, I'd agree again. But
invading Iraq is not about terrorism, and actually has weakened the US
tremendously. It's all about oil, as you pointed out yesterday.


No, I pointed out that oil is one of the major reasons we went into Iraq
before Syria or Iran. But it's not *the* reason.

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On Wed, 12 May 2004 02:31:00 GMT, wrote:

John
You right winged jack ass, September 11, 2001 was done by al-Qaida... What
does that have to do with an unjust war in Iraq?

Not a freaking thing.

Yes we lost almost 3000 that day... Go to war against those that caused that
day to happen, not against the people of Iraq.

It is clear, by the name of the suposed man involved with Saturday's
travesty that al-Qaida is the enemy.

al-Qaida is the one trying to kill Americans
al-Qaida is the one killing innocent Americans
al-Qaida is the one we are at war with

America wouldn't negotiate with these criminals, America wouldn't do
anything to help save this mans life, America thought him to be expendable.

Not my America, only yours. My America would have taken the time needed to
find where this man was, then mow down the full lot of them including the
prisoners they wanted released.

My America would have brought this man home safe.

I'm not sure what America you live in, but I want nothing to do with any
America that thinks any AMERICAN is expendable.


You think we should negotiate with these folks? You think these people are
rationale enough to make and keep an agreement? Do you think America hasn't been
looking for the individual who committed this murder?

How do you know what America was doing?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!