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I doubt he will... After all it took him how long to find out he went to the
dentist? "Jim" wrote in message ... http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html Does anyone think Bush will do the same? |
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"Jim" wrote in message ...
http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html Does anyone think Bush will do the same? You mean see what little he can release and not get called for it? Kerry didn't release anything until he was beat up to do so. Not that I think Bush and anything closed to a stellar miltary record... but Bush released more military records that Kerry did... and Bush did it over two months ago. ____________ Boston Globe 4/20 Page A2 KERRY REFUSES TO RELEASE MORE RECORDS ....The day after John F. Kerry said he would make all of his military records available for inspection at his campaign headquarters, a spokesman said the senator would not release any new documents, leaving undisclosed many of Kerry's evaluations by his Navy commanding officers, some medical records, and possibly other material... .... Kerry, in an interview Sunday on NBC's "Meet The Press," was asked whether he would follow President Bush's example and release all of his military records. "I have," Kerry said. "I've shown them they're available for you to come and look at." He added that "people can come and see them at headquarters." But when a reporter showed up yesterday morning to review the documents, the campaign staff declined, saying all requests must go through the press spokesman, Michael Meehan. Late yesterday, Meehan said the only records available would be those already released to this newspaper... .... Bush earlier this year released 300 pages of documents after media outlets raised new questions about the extent of his National Guard service. Those records, which Bush promised during a Feb. 8 appearance on "Meet the Press" to make available, included many military evaluations and medical records.... _________ |
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"Curtis CCR" wrote in message om... "Jim" wrote in message ... http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html Does anyone think Bush will do the same? You mean see what little he can release and not get called for it? Kerry didn't release anything until he was beat up to do so. Not that I think Bush and anything closed to a stellar miltary record... but Bush released more military records that Kerry did... and Bush did it over two months ago. Kerry still hasn't released his medical report for his first Purple Heart. |
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Bush has not released any of his military medical records.
So what is the point of your contention? The Kerry campaign has allowed reporters to view the first medical report, but just won't let it be copied. BIG DEAL "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... Kerry still hasn't released his medical report for his first Purple Heart. |
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Bert Robbins wrote:
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message om... "Jim" wrote in message ... http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html Does anyone think Bush will do the same? You mean see what little he can release and not get called for it? Kerry didn't release anything until he was beat up to do so. Not that I think Bush and anything closed to a stellar miltary record... but Bush released more military records that Kerry did... and Bush did it over two months ago. Kerry still hasn't released his medical report for his first Purple Heart. Why are you still harping on a man who earned a Silver Star and a Bronze Star, Bertie...did you? Did Bush? |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:34:10 -0700, jps wrote:
In article , says... "Curtis CCR" wrote in message om... "Jim" wrote in message ... http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html Does anyone think Bush will do the same? You mean see what little he can release and not get called for it? Kerry didn't release anything until he was beat up to do so. Not that I think Bush and anything closed to a stellar miltary record... but Bush released more military records that Kerry did... and Bush did it over two months ago. Kerry still hasn't released his medical report for his first Purple Heart. Listen to you crybabies. Three Purple Hearts isn't indication enough to you that the guy has balls? Is Kerry a pussy until he releases his medical records? Are you insane or just insanely petty? Golly, I wonder if Bush is going to release the records of the teeth cleaning he got down there in Alabama???? That'll make the difference for me, 'cause you can tell a lot by whether a man flosses or not. I'm betting he didn't. jps The receipt of a Purple Heart is no indication of "balls." Even females receive them. Receipt is also no indication of courage. Shrapnel can hit one who is asleep in a pup tent. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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Curtis CCR wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message ... http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html Does anyone think Bush will do the same? You mean see what little he can release and not get called for it? Kerry didn't release anything until he was beat up to do so. Not that I think Bush and anything closed to a stellar miltary record... but Bush released more military records that Kerry did... and Bush did it over two months ago. I certainly was impressed with Bush's attendance award...what, he didn't get one of those, either? Hmmm. Silver Star? Nope. Hmmmm. Bronze Star? Nope. Well, at least Bush is consistent. Mediocre as a flyer, mediocre as a businessman, mediocre as a governor and mediocre as a POTUS. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Curtis CCR" wrote in message om... "Jim" wrote in message ... http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html Does anyone think Bush will do the same? You mean see what little he can release and not get called for it? Kerry didn't release anything until he was beat up to do so. Not that I think Bush and anything closed to a stellar miltary record... but Bush released more military records that Kerry did... and Bush did it over two months ago. Kerry still hasn't released his medical report for his first Purple Heart. Why are you still harping on a man who earned a Silver Star and a Bronze Star, Bertie...did you? Did Bush? Earn the Cross or The Medal and you will have lots of respect. |
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wrote in message hlink.net... Bush has not released any of his military medical records. So what is the point of your contention? The Kerry campaign has allowed reporters to view the first medical report, but just won't let it be copied. I believe you are mistaken. The AP has reported that they were denied access to all of the records on Monday. Then later in the week the relased some more but not all. They specifically reported that the documentation about the first Purple Heart was missing. http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/...erry%2Brecords |
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Bert Robbins wrote:
wrote in message hlink.net... Bush has not released any of his military medical records. So what is the point of your contention? The Kerry campaign has allowed reporters to view the first medical report, but just won't let it be copied. I believe you are mistaken. The AP has reported that they were denied access to all of the records on Monday. Then later in the week the relased some more but not all. They specifically reported that the documentation about the first Purple Heart was missing. Hmmm. Records of Bush's Purple Hearts, Silver Stars, Bronze Stars, DSC and Medal of Honor seem to be missing. How about you, Bertie? Got any real medals? |
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Read this story, you will see just how wrong you are
Separately, Meehan earlier this year showed the Globe a copy of a medical report that said Kerry was treated for a shrapnel wound that led to his first Purple Heart. Meehan would not allow a copy to be made of the document. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...lease_records/ "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... wrote in message hlink.net... Bush has not released any of his military medical records. So what is the point of your contention? The Kerry campaign has allowed reporters to view the first medical report, but just won't let it be copied. I believe you are mistaken. The AP has reported that they were denied access to all of the records on Monday. Then later in the week the relased some more but not all. They specifically reported that the documentation about the first Purple Heart was missing. http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/...erry%2Brecords |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: wrote in message hlink.net... Bush has not released any of his military medical records. So what is the point of your contention? The Kerry campaign has allowed reporters to view the first medical report, but just won't let it be copied. I believe you are mistaken. The AP has reported that they were denied access to all of the records on Monday. Then later in the week the relased some more but not all. They specifically reported that the documentation about the first Purple Heart was missing. Hmmm. Records of Bush's Purple Hearts, Silver Stars, Bronze Stars, DSC and Medal of Honor seem to be missing. How about you, Bertie? Got any real medals? Nope. Didn't do anything noteworthy while I was in. Damn, there I go being honest again. |
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Ok. Why would they be allowed to make a copy of the document? It seems a
little fishy. wrote in message hlink.net... Read this story, you will see just how wrong you are Separately, Meehan earlier this year showed the Globe a copy of a medical report that said Kerry was treated for a shrapnel wound that led to his first Purple Heart. Meehan would not allow a copy to be made of the document. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...lease_records/ "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... wrote in message hlink.net... Bush has not released any of his military medical records. So what is the point of your contention? The Kerry campaign has allowed reporters to view the first medical report, but just won't let it be copied. I believe you are mistaken. The AP has reported that they were denied access to all of the records on Monday. Then later in the week the relased some more but not all. They specifically reported that the documentation about the first Purple Heart was missing. http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/...erry%2Brecords |
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John H wrote:
The receipt of a Purple Heart is no indication of "balls." ... Even females receive them. Very good logical deduction. .. Receipt is also no indication of courage. Shrapnel can hit one who is asleep in a pup tent. Also true. Now for key fact #3... shrapnel can NOT hit one who is AWOL in Alabama (at least, not since 1864). DSK |
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Curtis CCR" wrote in message om... "Jim" wrote in message ... http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html Does anyone think Bush will do the same? You mean see what little he can release and not get called for it? Kerry didn't release anything until he was beat up to do so. Not that I think Bush and anything closed to a stellar miltary record... but Bush released more military records that Kerry did... and Bush did it over two months ago. Kerry still hasn't released his medical report for his first Purple Heart. Why are you still harping on a man who earned a Silver Star and a Bronze Star, Bertie...did you? Did Bush? Earn the Cross or The Medal and you will have lots of respect. I think you Demo Liberals need to look at the web sites again you posted. Their is no (repeat NO for those who can't see) report on his medical records for John Kerry. So what's your point.. |
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In article , jherring$$@
$$cox**.net says... On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:34:10 -0700, jps wrote: In article , says... "Curtis CCR" wrote in message om... "Jim" wrote in message ... http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html Does anyone think Bush will do the same? You mean see what little he can release and not get called for it? Kerry didn't release anything until he was beat up to do so. Not that I think Bush and anything closed to a stellar miltary record... but Bush released more military records that Kerry did... and Bush did it over two months ago. Kerry still hasn't released his medical report for his first Purple Heart. Listen to you crybabies. Three Purple Hearts isn't indication enough to you that the guy has balls? Is Kerry a pussy until he releases his medical records? Are you insane or just insanely petty? Golly, I wonder if Bush is going to release the records of the teeth cleaning he got down there in Alabama???? That'll make the difference for me, 'cause you can tell a lot by whether a man flosses or not. I'm betting he didn't. jps The receipt of a Purple Heart is no indication of "balls." Even females receive them. Receipt is also no indication of courage. Shrapnel can hit one who is asleep in a pup tent. Except it's well known that his injuries weren't sustained while "asleep in a pup tent." Here, let me help you with the well-corroborated facts... April 22, 2004 Kerry Highly Praised in Military Records By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 1:00 a.m. ET WASHINGTON (AP) -- Records of John Kerry's Vietnam War service released Wednesday show a highly praised naval officer who volunteered for a dangerous assignment and at one point was ``unofficially credited with 20 enemy killed in action.'' With conservative critics questioning his service, the Democratic presidential candidate posted more than 120 pages of military records on his campaign Web site. Several describe him as a gutsy commander and detail some of the actions that won him three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star. Kerry's most harrowing experience came during the nearly five months when he commanded a swiftboat along Vietnam's Mekong Delta. The future Massachusetts senator was commended for gallantry, heroism and valor during the tour, which was cut short when Kerry was wounded three times and sent back to the United States. ``He frequently exhibited a high sense of imagination and judgment in planning operations against the enemy in the Mekong Delta,'' wrote Lt. Cmdr. George Elliott, Kerry's commanding officer. ``Involved in several enemy initiated fire fights, including an ambush during the Christmas truce, he effectively suppressed enemy fire and is unofficially credited with 20 enemy killed in action.'' Talk radio conservatives and some veterans have questioned whether Kerry was wounded severely enough to leave combat, but Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe said he is eager to compare Kerry's record to President Bush's. McAuliffe accused Bush of using family connections to avoid service overseas and failing to show up for duty while in the National Guard. ``Simply put, Kerry has a proud record of sacrifice and service whereas Bush has a record of cashed-in connections and evasion,'' McAuliffe said in a statement Wednesday. Republican National Committee spokeswoman Christine Iverson said, ``Like so many of Terry McAuliffe's comments, this one is not worthy of the dignity of a response.'' Kerry's medical records from the Navy were not included in the materials released. Campaign spokesman Michael Meehan did not return telephone messages left Wednesday for comment. Kerry's records show that throughout his four years of active duty, superiors gave him glowing evaluations, citing his maturity, intelligence and immaculate appearance. He was recommended for early promotion, and when he left the Navy in 1970 to run for Congress, his commanding officer said it was the Navy's loss. The lowest marks Kerry earned were the equivalent of average -- in military bearing, reliability and initiative. But narrative comments from his commanding officers said he was diplomatic, charismatic, decisive and well-liked by his men. The records cited Kerry's education at Swiss boarding school, his speaking and debating awards and his role as class orator at Yale University's commencement. He lettered in varsity soccer and lacrosse, fenced, had a private pilot's license and had experience sailing and ocean racing. Kerry traveled throughout Europe in his youth and spoke fluent French and some German. His supervising officer later commended him for taking it upon himself to learn Vietnamese. Kerry cited his sailing experience before the Navy when he volunteered to command a swiftboat, a 50-foot-long craft that could operate at high speeds in the rough waters of Vietnam's rivers and tributaries. Some critics have questioned whether Kerry's injuries were severe enough to warrant reassignment to the United States. His records briefly describe shrapnel wounds to his arm and thigh for the first two Purple Hearts, but they don't detail the severity of the wounds. According to a naval instruction document provided by Kerry's campaign, anyone serving in Vietnam who was wounded three times, regardless of the nature of the wound or treatment required, ``will not be ordered to service in Vietnam and contiguous waters.'' On Feb. 28, 1969, Kerry's and two other boats came under heavy fire from the riverbanks. Kerry ordered his units to turn into the ambush and sent men ashore to charge the enemy. According to the records, an enemy soldier holding a loaded rocket launcher sprang up within 10 feet of Kerry's boat and fled. Kerry leapt ashore, chased and killed the man. Kerry and his men chased or killed all enemy soldiers in the area, captured enemy weapons and then returned to the boat only to come under fire from the opposite bank as they began to pull away. Kerry again beached his boat and led a party ashore to pursue the enemy, and they successfully silenced the shooting. Later, with the boats again under fire, Kerry initiated a heavy response that killed 10 Viet Cong and wounded another with no casualties to his own men. He won the Silver Star ``for gallantry and intrepidity in action'' that day. Two weeks later, another fire fight led to a Bronze Star for heroic achievement and the third Purple Heart that would result in his reassignment out of Vietnam. Kerry was commanding one of five boats on patrol on March 13, 1969, when two mines detonated almost simultaneously -- one beneath another boat and one near Kerry's craft. Shrapnel hit Kerry's buttocks, and his right arm was bleeding from contusions, but he rescued a boatmate who had been thrown overboard by the blast and was under sniper fire from both banks. Kerry then directed his crew to return to the other damaged craft and tow it to safety. In April 1969, Kerry was sent stateside to the Military Sea Transportation Service, U.S. Atlantic Fleet, in Brooklyn, N.Y. On Nov. 21, 1969, Kerry requested that he be released from his commitment to serve actively until August 1970 so he could run for Congress. He was promoted to full lieutenant on Jan. 1, 1970, and soon after was discharged from active duty and became a reservist. |
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"John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:02:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:56:06 GMT, wrote: Read this story, you will see just how wrong you are Separately, Meehan earlier this year showed the Globe a copy of a medical report that said Kerry was treated for a shrapnel wound that led to his first Purple Heart. Meehan would not allow a copy to be made of the document. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...04/21/kerry_to _ release_records/ The medical records would show the treatment received, and provide an indication of the severity of the wound. For example, if the treatment was a band aid, then the severity would be minimal. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! Do you feel that anyone who receives the Purple Heart for a tiny injury should never mention it? That would be more appropriate than using it to proclaim oneself a 'war hero.' John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! How about this: Any soldier who was in harm's way is a hero. That includes millions, and excludes Nookular Boy. Simple. |
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"John H" wrote in message
... On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:02:27 -0400, DSK wrote: John H wrote: Has anyone been implying that Bush was a big war hero? Yep. Dressing up like a fighter pilot, displaying huge banners with warlike slogans, saying things like "bring it on", his stance as 'the anti-terrorism President, etc etc. None of the above is a proclamation of war heroism. Correct. But it sure smells like a guy trying to pretend he's "one of y'all". Gag me. |
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In article , jherring$$@
$$cox**.net says... On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:02:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: Do you feel that anyone who receives the Purple Heart for a tiny injury should never mention it? That would be more appropriate than using it to proclaim oneself a 'war hero.' If that were his lone medal you might have a point. The Purple Heart was the least of them... jps |
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Harry Krause wrote in message ...
Bert Robbins wrote: wrote in message hlink.net... Bush has not released any of his military medical records. So what is the point of your contention? The Kerry campaign has allowed reporters to view the first medical report, but just won't let it be copied. I believe you are mistaken. The AP has reported that they were denied access to all of the records on Monday. Then later in the week the relased some more but not all. They specifically reported that the documentation about the first Purple Heart was missing. Hmmm. Records of Bush's Purple Hearts, Silver Stars, Bronze Stars, DSC and Medal of Honor seem to be missing. Kerry got a Medal of Honor?!?! How about you, Bertie? Got any real medals? |
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Harry Krause wrote in message ...
Curtis CCR wrote: "Jim" wrote in message ... http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html Does anyone think Bush will do the same? You mean see what little he can release and not get called for it? Kerry didn't release anything until he was beat up to do so. Not that I think Bush and anything closed to a stellar miltary record... but Bush released more military records that Kerry did... and Bush did it over two months ago. I certainly was impressed with Bush's attendance award...what, he didn't get one of those, either? Hmmm. Silver Star? Nope. Hmmmm. Bronze Star? Nope. Well, at least Bush is consistent. Mediocre as a flyer, mediocre as a businessman, mediocre as a governor and mediocre as a POTUS. Hey looked over some of the Kerry stuff... that he FINALLY released. Some of it honestly looks pretty impressive. However, I still won't vote for him. I am somewhat dissapointed in Bush - but Kerry is bad news. AND I QUESTION HIS PATRIOTISM. There - I said it. I don't give a **** how many medals he got during his short military career 35 years ago, it is my opinion that his politics and the things he has said he would do as president are not in the best interest of this country - they're in the best interest of John Kerry. I won't vote for anyone that wants crawl back in bed with the UN. I don't care if the US stay a member of that organization, but I don't wnat a president that plans to let that bunch of corrupt back stabbers dictate how we defend ourselves or handle our internal and foreign affairs. I admit that I will be voting for the lesser of two evils in November. Anyone that thinks either of these guys is the ideal President is lying. I think Kerry is far more dangerous than Bush. And letting the UN security council make decisions for us would be suicidal. |
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"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
om... And letting the UN security council make decisions for us would be suicidal. Ummm....how about letting them take over the mess in Iraq, thereby taking some heat off of Nookular Boy? If he'd let them assist in the first place, a lot of nice young people might be making love instead of pushing up daisies. |
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John H wrote
None of the above is a proclamation of war heroism. Well it sure isn't an attempt to appear as a thoughtful, analytical statesman. ... There seem to be more and more questions every day. Only by paid pro-Bush/Cheney shills and fascist cretins such as yourself. "Fascist cretin." Wow, you're approaching Harry's eloquence. Good job. I calls 'em like I sees 'em. Facts are facts. You choose to blindly support an arrogant warlike gov't that attempts to muzzle civil liberty and stifle dissent. You cheerfully join in a campaign of lies and slander in order to derail democratic proceedings. Is that being a fascist? Yes. As explained in an earlier post, it is also stupid... just like repeatedly dropping a brick on your foot. You insist on carryng this stupidity to the point of being a cretin. In other words, I didn't make you a fascist cretin, you chose to be one. If you don't like it, change. The problem is, you're also dropping a brick on *my* foot (and every American citizen) with this malarkey. Hence my effort to stop the process. Of course, trying to get an idiot to stop being idiotic is a lost cause, isn't it? Bush's service record says nothing about going AWOL. It doesn't say anything about his being present for duty, either. You cannot face facts, can you? If Bush had been in your unit, you'd have called him a cowardly deserter. DSK |
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Curtis CCR wrote:
Hey looked over some of the Kerry stuff... that he FINALLY released. Some of it honestly looks pretty impressive. However, I still won't vote for him. Of course not. Why let a few facts sway your judgement. I am somewhat dissapointed in Bush - but Kerry is bad news. AND I QUESTION HIS PATRIOTISM. There - I said it. I don't give a **** how many medals he got during his short military career 35 years ago, it is my opinion that his politics and the things he has said he would do as president are not in the best interest of this country - they're in the best interest of John Kerry. As opposed to Bush's running the country in the interest of his corporate buddies? Do you suppose the Kerry might launch a war on false pretenses? Do you think that Kerry will manipulate the courts to upset the U.S. Constitution? Do you think that Kerry will issue orders to keep absolutely every paper that crosses his, and his VP's, desks absolutely excluded from the Freedom of Information Act forever and ever? The list goes on and on. Fact is, Bush is a proven disaster in every field. The economy, the environment, foreign policy, countering terrorism, you name it. The only thing he's been a success at is installing anti-abortion judges and generating huge profits for Halliburton. I won't vote for anyone that wants crawl back in bed with the UN. Yeah, screw 'em. We should just nuke anybody that doesn't like us. And let's trash NATO too, in fact let's turn NATO into an alliance against us. ... I don't wnat a president that plans to let that bunch of corrupt back stabbers dictate how we defend ourselves or handle our internal and foreign affairs. You mean like, a President that caters to Middle East oil interests above his own citizens? One who stabs his own soldiers in the back by revealing war plans to a foreign hostile gov't? ....And letting the UN security council make decisions for us would be suicidal. As opposed to starting a war under false pretenses, and then letting hundreds of US soldiers get killed while the gov't stands around and admits it has no clue how to clean up the mess? In some situations I agree, the UN cannot interfere with US sovereignty. However, going into Iraq against the directions of the UN has turned out to be a huge mistake. How can a remotely intelligent person look at the news and conclude that George Bush Jr is "the lesser of two evils"? DSK |
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"DSK" wrote in message
.. . How can a remotely intelligent person look at the news and conclude that George Bush Jr is "the lesser of two evils"? He sure is a uniter, though, doncha think? |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:17:15 -0700, Curtis CCR wrote:
I won't vote for anyone that wants crawl back in bed with the UN. I believe Bush already has, hat in hand: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...035366,00.html |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:58:24 -0700, Curtis CCR wrote:
Kerry got a Medal of Honor?!?! Yes, Bob Kerry. ;-) |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:47:03 -0700, jps wrote:
In article , jherring$$@ $$cox**.net says... On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:02:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: Do you feel that anyone who receives the Purple Heart for a tiny injury should never mention it? That would be more appropriate than using it to proclaim oneself a 'war hero.' If that were his lone medal you might have a point. The Purple Heart was the least of them... jps I believe he was also awarded a medal for chasing an individual who had fired an RPG around a hootch and shooting him. As an unloaded RPG launcher is about as effective a weapon as a baseball bat, I wouldn't consider this act very heroic. It seems much more like taking a life needlessly. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:41:03 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:02:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:56:06 GMT, wrote: Read this story, you will see just how wrong you are Separately, Meehan earlier this year showed the Globe a copy of a medical report that said Kerry was treated for a shrapnel wound that led to his first Purple Heart. Meehan would not allow a copy to be made of the document. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...04/21/kerry_to _ release_records/ The medical records would show the treatment received, and provide an indication of the severity of the wound. For example, if the treatment was a band aid, then the severity would be minimal. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! Do you feel that anyone who receives the Purple Heart for a tiny injury should never mention it? That would be more appropriate than using it to proclaim oneself a 'war hero.' John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! How about this: Any soldier who was in harm's way is a hero. That includes millions, and excludes Nookular Boy. Simple. As piloting an F102 could easily be considered "harms way," Bush would qualify as a hero. Perhaps you meant to say, "Any soldier who was in a combat zone." But that would include a lot of deserters and cowards. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:41:50 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:02:27 -0400, DSK wrote: John H wrote: Has anyone been implying that Bush was a big war hero? Yep. Dressing up like a fighter pilot, displaying huge banners with warlike slogans, saying things like "bring it on", his stance as 'the anti-terrorism President, etc etc. None of the above is a proclamation of war heroism. Correct. But it sure smells like a guy trying to pretend he's "one of y'all". Gag me. Flight suits are mandatory for flights in high performance Air Force aircraft. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:41:50 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:02:27 -0400, DSK wrote: John H wrote: Has anyone been implying that Bush was a big war hero? Yep. Dressing up like a fighter pilot, displaying huge banners with warlike slogans, saying things like "bring it on", his stance as 'the anti-terrorism President, etc etc. None of the above is a proclamation of war heroism. Correct. But it sure smells like a guy trying to pretend he's "one of y'all". Gag me. Whoops - should have said "Navy. " John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:47:48 -0400, John H wrote:
I believe he was also awarded a medal for chasing an individual who had fired an RPG around a hootch and shooting him. As an unloaded RPG launcher is about as effective a weapon as a baseball bat, I wouldn't consider this act very heroic. It seems much more like taking a life needlessly. Eyewitness accounts say that the RPG was loaded. http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp |
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"John H" wrote in message
... On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:41:50 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:02:27 -0400, DSK wrote: John H wrote: Has anyone been implying that Bush was a big war hero? Yep. Dressing up like a fighter pilot, displaying huge banners with warlike slogans, saying things like "bring it on", his stance as 'the anti-terrorism President, etc etc. None of the above is a proclamation of war heroism. Correct. But it sure smells like a guy trying to pretend he's "one of y'all". Gag me. Flight suits are mandatory for flights in high performance Air Force aircraft. John H Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzt! Sorry, John. Wrong answer. We'll be back after a brief commercial break, when you can try yet again to play "Justify the Monkey!" |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:02:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:56:06 GMT, wrote: Read this story, you will see just how wrong you are Separately, Meehan earlier this year showed the Globe a copy of a medical report that said Kerry was treated for a shrapnel wound that led to his first Purple Heart. Meehan would not allow a copy to be made of the document. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...04/21/kerry_to _ release_records/ The medical records would show the treatment received, and provide an indication of the severity of the wound. For example, if the treatment was a band aid, then the severity would be minimal. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! Do you feel that anyone who receives the Purple Heart for a tiny injury should never mention it? That would be more appropriate than using it to proclaim oneself a 'war hero.' John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! How about this: Any soldier who was in harm's way is a hero. That includes millions, and excludes Nookular Boy. Simple. Tell that to all the reservists. Those in Iraq, Afganistan, or about to go there. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net... How about this: Any soldier who was in harm's way is a hero. That includes millions, and excludes Nookular Boy. Simple. Tell that to all the reservists. Those in Iraq, Afganistan, or about to go there. It was a compliment to the aforementioned soldiers. Did you miss that? |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:00:15 -0400, thunder wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:47:48 -0400, John H wrote: I believe he was also awarded a medal for chasing an individual who had fired an RPG around a hootch and shooting him. As an unloaded RPG launcher is about as effective a weapon as a baseball bat, I wouldn't consider this act very heroic. It seems much more like taking a life needlessly. Eyewitness accounts say that the RPG was loaded. http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp From your source: "The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star make no sense at all. Supposedly, a B-40 was fired at the boat and missed. Charlie jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner knocks him down with the twin .50, Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off, shoots Charlie, and retrieves the launcher. If true, he did everything wrong." A launcher that has fired the round is not loaded. An RPG launcher holds only one round. So Kerry shot an unarmed, wounded soldier. Sounds like courage to me! John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:10:17 -0400, DSK wrote:
John H wrote None of the above is a proclamation of war heroism. Well it sure isn't an attempt to appear as a thoughtful, analytical statesman. ... There seem to be more and more questions every day. Only by paid pro-Bush/Cheney shills and fascist cretins such as yourself. "Fascist cretin." Wow, you're approaching Harry's eloquence. Good job. I calls 'em like I sees 'em. Facts are facts. You choose to blindly support an arrogant warlike gov't that attempts to muzzle civil liberty and stifle dissent. You cheerfully join in a campaign of lies and slander in order to derail democratic proceedings. Is that being a fascist? Yes. As explained in an earlier post, it is also stupid... just like repeatedly dropping a brick on your foot. You insist on carryng this stupidity to the point of being a cretin. In other words, I didn't make you a fascist cretin, you chose to be one. If you don't like it, change. The problem is, you're also dropping a brick on *my* foot (and every American citizen) with this malarkey. Hence my effort to stop the process. Of course, trying to get an idiot to stop being idiotic is a lost cause, isn't it? Bush's service record says nothing about going AWOL. It doesn't say anything about his being present for duty, either. You cannot face facts, can you? If Bush had been in your unit, you'd have called him a cowardly deserter. DSK You, of course, have examples of lies I've told on this newsgroup. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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