( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

You don't seem to understand the meaning of the word.

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:eCgic.13157$IW1.807877@attbi_s52...
I would describe them as Anarchist.


"Don" wrote in message
...
"John Gaquin" wrote
"Don" wrote

How would you describe people that steal from, and rape and kill,
innocent
people?

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:ICgic.12715$w96.1193378@attbi_s54...
you tell him Don, you got him on the run.


"Don" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:22:08 -0400, "Don"

wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and union
head's
sons
did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and most of
them
get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Based upon the new Democrat philosophy if you didn't serve in the
military
you have no right to quesiton those that did.

I am not a Democrat and I will question whatever I choose.

So, did you serve in the
military?

Four years, 75th Ranger Bn.

Bull****. Rangers display more sense.

You're just jealous.





With the statements about raping, stealing, killing innocents. He is both
an idiot and sounds like a J. Kerry clone.

Kerry is almost as stupid as you are.

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"Don" wrote in message news:YQfic.2477

How would you describe people that steal from, and rape and kill, innocent
people?

I would call them criminals.

I presume from your prior statement that you have hard documentation that a
*substantial* percentage of US troops are currently engaged in such
activities.

Source?

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Why should they be held to your discretionary laws?


"Don" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:2Bgic.12704$w96.1193144@attbi_s54...

"Don" wrote in message news:_Nfic.2475
Then
you are exposing yourself to the wrong type of media.
The soldiers are stealing, killing and raping innocents....the same
sort
of
things you find in any run down inner city thug neighborhood.
You have heard about the US military uniforms and equipment showing up
on
the black market in Iraq haven't you?


Don, Don't you understand, "the soldiers wanted to steal, kill and rape
innocents", they should not be held back by your silly discretionary
laws.

People that steal, rape and kill should be shot on sight.

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What makes you think they are *my* laws?

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Xnkic.13948$w96.1301648@attbi_s54...
Why should they be held to your discretionary laws?


"Don" wrote in message
...

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:2Bgic.12704$w96.1193144@attbi_s54...

"Don" wrote in message news:_Nfic.2475
Then
you are exposing yourself to the wrong type of media.
The soldiers are stealing, killing and raping innocents....the same
sort
of
things you find in any run down inner city thug neighborhood.
You have heard about the US military uniforms and equipment showing
up
on
the black market in Iraq haven't you?


Don, Don't you understand, "the soldiers wanted to steal, kill and
rape
innocents", they should not be held back by your silly discretionary
laws.

People that steal, rape and kill should be shot on sight.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message news:YQfic.2477

How would you describe people that steal from, and rape and kill,
innocent
people?

I would call them criminals.

Thank you.
The rest of your whining tripe was snipped....post haste.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

John Kerry was insulting to my brother who did 2 tours in country as a
Seabee. Kerry came home and called the soldiers in VN: raping, stealing,
killing innocents soldiers. I would have been in VN, except I lucked out
and got assigned to a transport squadron. And I think Don is also a liar
about being an Airborne vet!

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:kuiic.14093$_L6.1064081@attbi_s53...
Bill, that is very insulting to John Kerry.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:ICgic.12715$w96.1193378@attbi_s54...
you tell him Don, you got him on the run.


"Don" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:22:08 -0400, "Don"

wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and
union
head's
sons
did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and most of
them
get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Based upon the new Democrat philosophy if you didn't serve in
the
military
you have no right to quesiton those that did.

I am not a Democrat and I will question whatever I choose.

So, did you serve in the
military?

Four years, 75th Ranger Bn.

Bull****. Rangers display more sense.

You're just jealous.





With the statements about raping, stealing, killing innocents. He is
both
an idiot and sounds like a J. Kerry clone.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:ICgic.12715$w96.1193378@attbi_s54...
you tell him Don, you got him on the run.


"Don" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:22:08 -0400, "Don"

wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and
union
head's
sons
did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and most of
them
get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Based upon the new Democrat philosophy if you didn't serve in
the
military
you have no right to quesiton those that did.

I am not a Democrat and I will question whatever I choose.

So, did you serve in the
military?

Four years, 75th Ranger Bn.

Bull****. Rangers display more sense.

You're just jealous.





With the statements about raping, stealing, killing innocents. He is
both
an idiot and sounds like a J. Kerry clone.

Kerry is almost as stupid as you are.



Kerry is nowhere as intelligent as I am. A slimeball, he is. Sort of like
you.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

Bill,
I did not know Kerry accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and killing
innocent soldiers. I don't agree with Kerry, but I thought he was smarter
than that.

As far as Don being a Ranger, who knows, but he does seem like he landed on
his head once too often.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
John Kerry was insulting to my brother who did 2 tours in country as a
Seabee. Kerry came home and called the soldiers in VN: raping, stealing,
killing innocents soldiers. I would have been in VN, except I lucked out
and got assigned to a transport squadron. And I think Don is also a liar
about being an Airborne vet!

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:kuiic.14093$_L6.1064081@attbi_s53...
Bill, that is very insulting to John Kerry.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:ICgic.12715$w96.1193378@attbi_s54...
you tell him Don, you got him on the run.


"Don" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:22:08 -0400, "Don"

wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and
union
head's
sons
did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and most
of
them
get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Based upon the new Democrat philosophy if you didn't serve in
the
military
you have no right to quesiton those that did.

I am not a Democrat and I will question whatever I choose.

So, did you serve in the
military?

Four years, 75th Ranger Bn.

Bull****. Rangers display more sense.

You're just jealous.





With the statements about raping, stealing, killing innocents. He is
both
an idiot and sounds like a J. Kerry clone.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

You missed a punctuation. Or I did.
He accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and killing innocents.
Non-combatants.
Bill

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:4Pkic.11245$cF6.487216@attbi_s04...
Bill,
I did not know Kerry accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and killing
innocent soldiers. I don't agree with Kerry, but I thought he was smarter
than that.

As far as Don being a Ranger, who knows, but he does seem like he landed
on
his head once too often.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
John Kerry was insulting to my brother who did 2 tours in country as a
Seabee. Kerry came home and called the soldiers in VN: raping,
stealing,
killing innocents soldiers. I would have been in VN, except I lucked
out
and got assigned to a transport squadron. And I think Don is also a
liar
about being an Airborne vet!

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:kuiic.14093$_L6.1064081@attbi_s53...
Bill, that is very insulting to John Kerry.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:ICgic.12715$w96.1193378@attbi_s54...
you tell him Don, you got him on the run.


"Don" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:22:08 -0400, "Don"

wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and
union
head's
sons
did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and
most
of
them
get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Based upon the new Democrat philosophy if you didn't serve
in
the
military
you have no right to quesiton those that did.

I am not a Democrat and I will question whatever I choose.

So, did you serve in the
military?

Four years, 75th Ranger Bn.

Bull****. Rangers display more sense.

You're just jealous.





With the statements about raping, stealing, killing innocents. He
is
both
an idiot and sounds like a J. Kerry clone.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

"Calif Bill" wrote
John Kerry was insulting to my brother who did 2 tours in country as a
Seabee. Kerry came home and called the soldiers in VN: raping, stealing,
killing innocents soldiers.

Truth hurts doesn't it?
Maybe you should have some stern words with your brother.

I would have been in VN, except I lucked out
and got assigned to a transport squadron. And I think Don is also a liar
about being an Airborne vet!

Why, because I don't fit into your socialist pigeonhole?
Thats because your vision is about as wide as your TEEVEE screen.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

Jeez this boy is slow....

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:4Pkic.11245$cF6.487216@attbi_s04...
Bill,
I did not know Kerry accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and killing
innocent soldiers. I don't agree with Kerry, but I thought he was smarter
than that.

As far as Don being a Ranger, who knows, but he does seem like he landed
on
his head once too often.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
John Kerry was insulting to my brother who did 2 tours in country as a
Seabee. Kerry came home and called the soldiers in VN: raping,
stealing,
killing innocents soldiers. I would have been in VN, except I lucked
out
and got assigned to a transport squadron. And I think Don is also a
liar
about being an Airborne vet!

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:kuiic.14093$_L6.1064081@attbi_s53...
Bill, that is very insulting to John Kerry.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:ICgic.12715$w96.1193378@attbi_s54...
you tell him Don, you got him on the run.


"Don" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:22:08 -0400, "Don"

wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and
union
head's
sons
did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and
most
of
them
get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Based upon the new Democrat philosophy if you didn't serve
in
the
military
you have no right to quesiton those that did.

I am not a Democrat and I will question whatever I choose.

So, did you serve in the
military?

Four years, 75th Ranger Bn.

Bull****. Rangers display more sense.

You're just jealous.





With the statements about raping, stealing, killing innocents. He
is
both
an idiot and sounds like a J. Kerry clone.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:ICgic.12715$w96.1193378@attbi_s54...
you tell him Don, you got him on the run.


"Don" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:22:08 -0400, "Don"

wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and
union
head's
sons
did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and most
of
them
get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Based upon the new Democrat philosophy if you didn't serve in
the
military
you have no right to quesiton those that did.

I am not a Democrat and I will question whatever I choose.

So, did you serve in the
military?

Four years, 75th Ranger Bn.

Bull****. Rangers display more sense.

You're just jealous.





With the statements about raping, stealing, killing innocents. He is
both
an idiot and sounds like a J. Kerry clone.

Kerry is almost as stupid as you are.



Kerry is nowhere as intelligent as I am. A slimeball, he is. Sort of
like
you.

You seem like a punk....and you want to be like Kerry.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

"Don" wrote in message
...

So, did you serve in the
military?

Four years, 75th Ranger Bn.


So what was it, one too many hits off the shotgun bong, or the agent orange
boiler makers?

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:ICgic.12715$w96.1193378@attbi_s54...
you tell him Don, you got him on the run.


"Don" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:22:08 -0400, "Don"

wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and
union
head's
sons
did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and
most
of
them
get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Based upon the new Democrat philosophy if you didn't serve
in
the
military
you have no right to quesiton those that did.

I am not a Democrat and I will question whatever I choose.

So, did you serve in the
military?

Four years, 75th Ranger Bn.

Bull****. Rangers display more sense.

You're just jealous.





With the statements about raping, stealing, killing innocents. He
is
both
an idiot and sounds like a J. Kerry clone.

Kerry is almost as stupid as you are.



Kerry is nowhere as intelligent as I am. A slimeball, he is. Sort of
like
you.

You seem like a punk....and you want to be like Kerry.



Seems like you are the Kerry clone. To much Agent Orange? You base your
perception of all the soldiers in VN on your actions?

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:ICgic.12715$w96.1193378@attbi_s54...
you tell him Don, you got him on the run.


"Don" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:22:08 -0400, "Don"

wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's
and
union
head's
sons
did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and
most
of
them
get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Based upon the new Democrat philosophy if you didn't
serve
in
the
military
you have no right to quesiton those that did.

I am not a Democrat and I will question whatever I choose.

So, did you serve in the
military?

Four years, 75th Ranger Bn.

Bull****. Rangers display more sense.

You're just jealous.





With the statements about raping, stealing, killing innocents. He
is
both
an idiot and sounds like a J. Kerry clone.

Kerry is almost as stupid as you are.



Kerry is nowhere as intelligent as I am. A slimeball, he is. Sort of
like
you.

You seem like a punk....and you want to be like Kerry.



Seems like you are the Kerry clone. To much Agent Orange? You base your
perception of all the soldiers in VN on your actions?

If you want to act like a yammering 5 y.o. Bill, I'm going to stand you in
the corner.
Straighten up.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

"Joe" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message
...

So, did you serve in the
military?

Four years, 75th Ranger Bn.


So what was it, one too many hits off the shotgun bong, or the agent
orange
boiler makers?

You seem pretty knowledgable about those things, please tell us more.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

"Don" wrote in message news:Lwkic.2529
I would call them criminals.

Thank you.
The rest of your whining tripe was snipped....post haste.




So, to summarize -- you state that you've knowingly taken my words out of
context and posted the result as a direct quote.

In fact, I expected nothing less from the left. It continues a long
tradition.

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"Jim" wrote in message news:OZxhc.2126

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html

You know, the silly thing about all this records flap is that some of the
records are meaningless if you don't know how to interpret them.

Take the Fitness Reports, for example. In one article I read, the reporter
was absolutely atwitter over the fact that one or two of Kerry's superior
officers commented on his exemplary use of the English language, how
generally well spoken he was, and his overall bearing and demeanor. Here's
a guy who was raised in a home where English was properly spoken, and then
spent most of his life at a Swiss boarding school, St. Paul's, and Yale. In
the early sixties, he was for a while dating Jackie Kennedy's half sister,
and was a regular, with the Kennedys, at the Bouvier "cottage" in Newport.
And now you have a couple of naval officers in 1965-1966 who had spent the
fifties and half the sixties dealing with sailors, and they're fairly
impressed by a guy who can speak English properly, sounds like a Boston
Kennedy, and behaves like a gentleman. Maybe it is normal that the Navy
might be impressed, but the reporter should have known better -- the
reporter, at least, is supposed to be a professional wordsmith.

The other thing about FitReps that bears understanding is the fact that they
were not necessarily objective. In the military of the fifties and sixties,
and into the seventies, any evaluative mark less than "outstanding" was a
potential career breaker. A rating of Excellent to Outstanding could have
meant that you were Excellent to Outstanding, or it could have meant that,
while not particularly valuable, you were a nice guy to have around, and
were not a danger to anyone.

The Silver and Bronze Stars are there, and they speak for themselves. I
don't think any serious commentator belittles what Kerry did, or had to do,
to be awarded one of these.

I think it is the Purple Hearts that make people uneasy -- not the awards,
but the process. I don't think there's any question that the textbook
criteria for these were met, but I think most people have figured out that
Kerry was a very smart guy who read the rulebook, and then worked the rules
to his advantage. The circumstances make it *appear* that Kerry took one or
two band-aid Purple Hearts to puff his record for the purpose of
reassignment, while there were thousands upon thousands of guys there who
never bothered with (or had the chance for) official medical care for minor
stuff. (One Boston Globe columnist referred to the brouhaha tongue-in-cheek
as "Bacitracin-gate." I like that.) Although technically authorized, if
the suspicions are true it smacks of what the Brits used to call "bad form",
a notion, btw, with which Mr. Kerry ought to have been thoroughly familiar,
having spent his most formative years in the Prep School/Ivy league world of
the fifties and early sixties. His application for reassignment based upon
the so-called "thrice-wounded" standard was submitted just four days after
the engagement for which he was awarded the third PH. In fact, though the
copy dates are somewhat unclear, it appears that the re-assignment app may
have been submitted before the third PH was actually awarded.

The facts of his Silver and Bronze Stars speak to his valor under fire, and
these facts are incontrovertible.

The facts of his Purple Heart submittals speak to his character, and these
facts seem to be shady and unclear.

This, I think, is what bothers people.

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"Harry Krause" babbles:

Hmmm. I expect nothing else from tne neoconBORG right. They all sing the
same lying tune about politics and matters of state, and are lead by the
lying trip now occupykng the White House and the exec branch of
government. Warmongering asswipes, all of them.

Harry, you really need to lay off the sauce so early in the day. It's not
good for what's left of your liver.

Jack

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Hmmm. I expect nothing else from tne neoconBORG right. They all sing the
same lying tune about politics and matters of state, and are lead by the
lying trip now occupykng the White House and the exec branch of
government. Warmongering asswipes, all of them.

Hmmm. Salient and succinct, as usual. yawn

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:4Pkic.11245$cF6.487216@attbi_s04...
Bill,
I did not know Kerry accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and killing
innocent soldiers. I don't agree with Kerry, but I thought he was smarter
than that.

I think it's safe to say that due to tensions and emotions running high,
quite a few people made blanket judgements of certain groups in the late
1960s and early 1970s, like soldiers and cops. There's no reason to think
Kerry was different from everyone else in this regard. I know *I* had some
unsavory things to say about the police after witnessing what the Chicago
cops did in 1968. But, at the same time, my own interactions with them were
nothing but good, even though I had VERY long hair and looked like someone
the cops enjoyed beating on.

Footnote:
My WORST experience was when I was pulled over by a NY State trooper for
doing 90 in a 55 zone in my screaming yellow 1970 Cougar. For some reason,
he didn't ticket me. But, he harrassed me mercilessly for having an
automatic instead of a Hurst shifter. My BEST experience was while
hitchhiking from Syracuse to the Canadian border. Trooper pulled over. I
said "If this is how my trip's beginning, I'll just walk". I turned around
to get off the entrance ramp. He said "I'm offering you a ride". He asked if
I had any drugs on me. I said no. He said "OK"....get in. I asked him how
fast the car would go before feeling shaky. He showed me. We completed a 100
mile trip in about an hour and three minutes. Great fun. Turned out we had
the same philosophy professor - he was in night school. Discussed Sartre for
most of the trip. So much for stereotypes.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:49:21 -0400, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


"Jim" wrote in message news:OZxhc.2126

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html

You know, the silly thing about all this records flap is that some of the
records are meaningless if you don't know how to interpret them.

Take the Fitness Reports, for example. In one article I read, the reporter
was absolutely atwitter over the fact that one or two of Kerry's superior
officers commented on his exemplary use of the English language, how
generally well spoken he was, and his overall bearing and demeanor. Here's
a guy who was raised in a home where English was properly spoken, and then
spent most of his life at a Swiss boarding school, St. Paul's, and Yale. In
the early sixties, he was for a while dating Jackie Kennedy's half sister,
and was a regular, with the Kennedys, at the Bouvier "cottage" in Newport.
And now you have a couple of naval officers in 1965-1966 who had spent the
fifties and half the sixties dealing with sailors, and they're fairly
impressed by a guy who can speak English properly, sounds like a Boston
Kennedy, and behaves like a gentleman. Maybe it is normal that the Navy
might be impressed, but the reporter should have known better -- the
reporter, at least, is supposed to be a professional wordsmith.

The other thing about FitReps that bears understanding is the fact that they
were not necessarily objective. In the military of the fifties and sixties,
and into the seventies, any evaluative mark less than "outstanding" was a
potential career breaker. A rating of Excellent to Outstanding could have
meant that you were Excellent to Outstanding, or it could have meant that,
while not particularly valuable, you were a nice guy to have around, and
were not a danger to anyone.

The Silver and Bronze Stars are there, and they speak for themselves. I
don't think any serious commentator belittles what Kerry did, or had to do,
to be awarded one of these.

I think it is the Purple Hearts that make people uneasy -- not the awards,
but the process. I don't think there's any question that the textbook
criteria for these were met, but I think most people have figured out that
Kerry was a very smart guy who read the rulebook, and then worked the rules
to his advantage. The circumstances make it *appear* that Kerry took one or
two band-aid Purple Hearts to puff his record for the purpose of
reassignment, while there were thousands upon thousands of guys there who
never bothered with (or had the chance for) official medical care for minor
stuff. (One Boston Globe columnist referred to the brouhaha tongue-in-cheek
as "Bacitracin-gate." I like that.) Although technically authorized, if
the suspicions are true it smacks of what the Brits used to call "bad form",
a notion, btw, with which Mr. Kerry ought to have been thoroughly familiar,
having spent his most formative years in the Prep School/Ivy league world of
the fifties and early sixties. His application for reassignment based upon
the so-called "thrice-wounded" standard was submitted just four days after
the engagement for which he was awarded the third PH. In fact, though the
copy dates are somewhat unclear, it appears that the re-assignment app may
have been submitted before the third PH was actually awarded.

The facts of his Silver and Bronze Stars speak to his valor under fire, and
these facts are incontrovertible.

The facts of his Purple Heart submittals speak to his character, and these
facts seem to be shady and unclear.

This, I think, is what bothers people.



Right on, John. Kerry's commanders certainly didn't put him in the "water
walker" category, as anyone who has ever had anything to do with fitness reports
understands.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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Doug,
You are correct, but Kerry should have know better, since he was a Viet Nam
vet. While there were a few loose cannons over there, the vast majority
were kids scared ****less, who wanted to come with everything attached.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
news:4Pkic.11245$cF6.487216@attbi_s04...
Bill,
I did not know Kerry accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and
killing
innocent soldiers. I don't agree with Kerry, but I thought he was
smarter
than that.

I think it's safe to say that due to tensions and emotions running high,
quite a few people made blanket judgements of certain groups in the late
1960s and early 1970s, like soldiers and cops. There's no reason to think
Kerry was different from everyone else in this regard. I know *I* had some
unsavory things to say about the police after witnessing what the Chicago
cops did in 1968. But, at the same time, my own interactions with them
were
nothing but good, even though I had VERY long hair and looked like someone
the cops enjoyed beating on.

Footnote:
My WORST experience was when I was pulled over by a NY State trooper for
doing 90 in a 55 zone in my screaming yellow 1970 Cougar. For some reason,
he didn't ticket me. But, he harrassed me mercilessly for having an
automatic instead of a Hurst shifter. My BEST experience was while
hitchhiking from Syracuse to the Canadian border. Trooper pulled over. I
said "If this is how my trip's beginning, I'll just walk". I turned around
to get off the entrance ramp. He said "I'm offering you a ride". He asked
if
I had any drugs on me. I said no. He said "OK"....get in. I asked him how
fast the car would go before feeling shaky. He showed me. We completed a
100
mile trip in about an hour and three minutes. Great fun. Turned out we had
the same philosophy professor - he was in night school. Discussed Sartre
for
most of the trip. So much for stereotypes.

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John Gaquin wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message news:OZxhc.2126


http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html


You know, the silly thing about all this records flap is that some of the
records are meaningless if you don't know how to interpret them.

Take the Fitness Reports, for example. In one article I read, the reporter
was absolutely atwitter over the fact that one or two of Kerry's superior
officers commented on his exemplary use of the English language, how
generally well spoken he was, and his overall bearing and demeanor. Here's
a guy who was raised in a home where English was properly spoken, and then
spent most of his life at a Swiss boarding school, St. Paul's, and Yale.

Bush was raised in a home where English was spoken properly, attended a
tony prep school, got into Yale as a legacy, was turned down by a
third-rate Texas law school, and then had his way paid into Harvard
business school. Yet when he speaks, he sounds like an idiot.

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How do you know, with 100% accuracy, that he did NOT witness the things he
claimed? After all, there was the My Lai incident, right? Or, like people
who deny that the holocaust happened, do you not believe the reports of THAT
atrocity?

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:MNBic.16007$cF6.641627@attbi_s04...
Doug,
You are correct, but Kerry should have know better, since he was a Viet
Nam
vet. While there were a few loose cannons over there, the vast majority
were kids scared ****less, who wanted to come with everything attached.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
news:4Pkic.11245$cF6.487216@attbi_s04...
Bill,
I did not know Kerry accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and
killing
innocent soldiers. I don't agree with Kerry, but I thought he was
smarter
than that.

I think it's safe to say that due to tensions and emotions running high,
quite a few people made blanket judgements of certain groups in the late
1960s and early 1970s, like soldiers and cops. There's no reason to
think
Kerry was different from everyone else in this regard. I know *I* had
some
unsavory things to say about the police after witnessing what the
Chicago
cops did in 1968. But, at the same time, my own interactions with them
were
nothing but good, even though I had VERY long hair and looked like
someone
the cops enjoyed beating on.

Footnote:
My WORST experience was when I was pulled over by a NY State trooper for
doing 90 in a 55 zone in my screaming yellow 1970 Cougar. For some
reason,
he didn't ticket me. But, he harrassed me mercilessly for having an
automatic instead of a Hurst shifter. My BEST experience was while
hitchhiking from Syracuse to the Canadian border. Trooper pulled over. I
said "If this is how my trip's beginning, I'll just walk". I turned
around
to get off the entrance ramp. He said "I'm offering you a ride". He
asked
if
I had any drugs on me. I said no. He said "OK"....get in. I asked him
how
fast the car would go before feeling shaky. He showed me. We completed a
100
mile trip in about an hour and three minutes. Great fun. Turned out we
had
the same philosophy professor - he was in night school. Discussed Sartre
for
most of the trip. So much for stereotypes.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c6eqc6

Bush was raised in a home where English was spoken properly, attended a
tony prep school, got into Yale as a legacy, was turned down by a
third-rate Texas law school, and then had his way paid into Harvard
business school. Yet when he speaks, he sounds like an idiot.

GW is a terrible public speaker, 'tis true. But, to borrow a line from "The
American President" (a lightweight but enjoyable bit of fluff from 1995),
"Louis, we have had Presidents who were beloved who couldn't find a coherent
sentence with two hands and a flashlight." [possible slight paraphrasing]

The difference is that Kerry started in New England, and desperately wanted
to sound even more like a Kennedy -- the evolution was natural. GW started
in Texas, and didn't want to lose it. No amount of Prep School time in the
world can remove a dose of Texas that doesn't want to be removed. That's
not good or bad, that's just the way it is.

With or without the Texas, GW would still be a poor public speaker. With or
without the affected Brahmin, Kerry would still be an impressive one. It's
an innate skill that is not necessarily relevant. The esteemed Mr. Clinton
has shown us well that a glib and facile tongue doth not a great president
make.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

John Gaquin wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c6eqc6

Bush was raised in a home where English was spoken properly, attended a
tony prep school, got into Yale as a legacy, was turned down by a
third-rate Texas law school, and then had his way paid into Harvard
business school. Yet when he speaks, he sounds like an idiot.


GW is a terrible public speaker, 'tis true. But, to borrow a line from "The
American President" (a lightweight but enjoyable bit of fluff from 1995),
"Louis, we have had Presidents who were beloved who couldn't find a coherent
sentence with two hands and a flashlight." [possible slight paraphrasing]

The difference is that Kerry started in New England,

Bush started in New England, too. He was born in the same hospital I
was, in New Haven, Connecticut. His father was attending Yale at the time,


GW started
in Texas, and didn't want to lose it.

Nope.


No amount of Prep School time in the
world can remove a dose of Texas that doesn't want to be removed. That's
not good or bad, that's just the way it is.

With or without the Texas, GW would still be a poor public speaker. With or
without the affected Brahmin, Kerry would still be an impressive one.

I don't think Kerry is much of a speaker. He's better than Bush, but,
then, it's hard to think of any politician who isn't. I think Kerry uses
sentences that are far too long and far too lacking in color. I far
preferred Dan'l Patrick Moynihan or Bill Clinton as speakers . Tony
Blair is a great speaker, as are most Brit prime ministers.


It's
an innate skill that is not necessarily relevant. The esteemed Mr. Clinton
has shown us well that a glib and facile tongue do



It's relevant. The "leader" of the free world should not sound the
village idiot, as Bush does.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Bush started in New England, too. He was born in the same hospital I
was, in New Haven, Connecticut. His father was attending Yale at the time,

Don't be a simpleton, Harry -- you know better than that. Where you're born
is not always the salient point. Kerry was born in Colorado.

W lived in Texas oil country from the time he was a small boy.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

John Gaquin wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Bush started in New England, too. He was born in the same hospital I
was, in New Haven, Connecticut. His father was attending Yale at the time,


Don't be a simpleton, Harry -- you know better than that. Where you're born
is not always the salient point. Kerry was born in Colorado.

W lived in Texas oil country from the time he was a small boy.



Are you saying Dubya, from the time he started speaking, has made a
deliberate attempt to sound incoherent? It's certainly not something
endemic to Texas; there are plenty of Texans who speak properly and well.

Maybe he spoke better earlier in life, before the booze and cocaine took
their toll.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

I can say with 100% accuracy that not all soldiers were baby killers,
rapists etc.

To say that the soldiers were ____________________ because of crimes
committed by a few, is a bad as saying all (insert ethnic group here) are
bums and drunks, because of the actions of a few.

Doug, I think you and Don have gone over the deep end, and your best left to
each other.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
How do you know, with 100% accuracy, that he did NOT witness the things he
claimed? After all, there was the My Lai incident, right? Or, like people
who deny that the holocaust happened, do you not believe the reports of
THAT
atrocity?

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:MNBic.16007$cF6.641627@attbi_s04...
Doug,
You are correct, but Kerry should have know better, since he was a Viet
Nam
vet. While there were a few loose cannons over there, the vast majority
were kids scared ****less, who wanted to come with everything attached.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
news:4Pkic.11245$cF6.487216@attbi_s04...
Bill,
I did not know Kerry accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and
killing
innocent soldiers. I don't agree with Kerry, but I thought he was
smarter
than that.

I think it's safe to say that due to tensions and emotions running
high,
quite a few people made blanket judgements of certain groups in the
late
1960s and early 1970s, like soldiers and cops. There's no reason to
think
Kerry was different from everyone else in this regard. I know *I* had
some
unsavory things to say about the police after witnessing what the
Chicago
cops did in 1968. But, at the same time, my own interactions with them
were
nothing but good, even though I had VERY long hair and looked like
someone
the cops enjoyed beating on.

Footnote:
My WORST experience was when I was pulled over by a NY State trooper
for
doing 90 in a 55 zone in my screaming yellow 1970 Cougar. For some
reason,
he didn't ticket me. But, he harrassed me mercilessly for having an
automatic instead of a Hurst shifter. My BEST experience was while
hitchhiking from Syracuse to the Canadian border. Trooper pulled over.
I
said "If this is how my trip's beginning, I'll just walk". I turned
around
to get off the entrance ramp. He said "I'm offering you a ride". He
asked
if
I had any drugs on me. I said no. He said "OK"....get in. I asked him
how
fast the car would go before feeling shaky. He showed me. We completed
a
100
mile trip in about an hour and three minutes. Great fun. Turned out we
had
the same philosophy professor - he was in night school. Discussed
Sartre
for
most of the trip. So much for stereotypes.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

John,
In case you haven't noticed, Harry is a simpleton.


"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Bush started in New England, too. He was born in the same hospital I
was, in New Haven, Connecticut. His father was attending Yale at the
time,

Don't be a simpleton, Harry -- you know better than that. Where you're
born
is not always the salient point. Kerry was born in Colorado.

W lived in Texas oil country from the time he was a small boy.

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

"John Smith" wrote in message news:zHDic.24423

In case you haven't noticed, Harry is a simpleton.

I know, the only difference between Harry and b'asskisser is that b'ass
hasn't quite picked up this c&p obsession. But I keep hoping. I remember
back in the sixties someone saying "if you teach them, they can learn".

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:EFDic.24521$aQ6.1431970@attbi_s51...
I can say with 100% accuracy that not all soldiers were baby killers,
rapists etc.

In your alcohol-soaked reality, to you imagine having heard Kerry say 100%
of the soldiers in Vietnam committed atrocities?

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Jim" wrote in message news:OZxhc.2126

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html

You know, the silly thing about all this records flap is that some of the
records are meaningless if you don't know how to interpret them.

Take the Fitness Reports, for example. In one article I read, the
reporter
was absolutely atwitter over the fact that one or two of Kerry's superior
officers commented on his exemplary use of the English language, how
generally well spoken he was, and his overall bearing and demeanor.
Here's
a guy who was raised in a home where English was properly spoken, and then
spent most of his life at a Swiss boarding school, St. Paul's, and Yale.
In
the early sixties, he was for a while dating Jackie Kennedy's half sister,
and was a regular, with the Kennedys, at the Bouvier "cottage" in Newport.

My background was nothing like that, but I can still speak the native
language of this country more proficiently than your president. Why is that?

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c6eqc6

Bush was raised in a home where English was spoken properly, attended a
tony prep school, got into Yale as a legacy, was turned down by a
third-rate Texas law school, and then had his way paid into Harvard
business school. Yet when he speaks, he sounds like an idiot.

GW is a terrible public speaker, 'tis true. But, to borrow a line from
"The
American President" (a lightweight but enjoyable bit of fluff from 1995),
"Louis, we have had Presidents who were beloved who couldn't find a
coherent
sentence with two hands and a flashlight." [possible slight paraphrasing]

The difference is that Kerry started in New England, and desperately
wanted
to sound even more like a Kennedy -- the evolution was natural. GW
started
in Texas, and didn't want to lose it. No amount of Prep School time in
the
world can remove a dose of Texas that doesn't want to be removed. That's
not good or bad, that's just the way it is.

With or without the Texas, GW would still be a poor public speaker. With
or
without the affected Brahmin, Kerry would still be an impressive one.
It's
an innate skill that is not necessarily relevant. The esteemed Mr.
Clinton
has shown us well that a glib and facile tongue doth not a great president
make.

Really, the worst part is that your boy is a chameleon, same as he paints
his opponent. He insists on mispronouncing words which are second nature to
a 7th grader in my town, so as to not alienate the dropouts who comprise the
majority of his support. Pathetic, isn't it? "Look, son. That's yer
presuhdent. Y'all can flunk outta school and be just like him". Remember
this? "Go ahead - fail all your courses, and you can pump gas for the rest
of your life".

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

Doug Kanter wrote:
"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Jim" wrote in message news:OZxhc.2126


http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html

You know, the silly thing about all this records flap is that some of the
records are meaningless if you don't know how to interpret them.

Take the Fitness Reports, for example. In one article I read, the

reporter

was absolutely atwitter over the fact that one or two of Kerry's superior
officers commented on his exemplary use of the English language, how
generally well spoken he was, and his overall bearing and demeanor.

Here's

a guy who was raised in a home where English was properly spoken, and then
spent most of his life at a Swiss boarding school, St. Paul's, and Yale.

In

the early sixties, he was for a while dating Jackie Kennedy's half sister,
and was a regular, with the Kennedys, at the Bouvier "cottage" in Newport.


My background was nothing like that, but I can still speak the native
language of this country more proficiently than your president. Why is that?



Most of the union guys I know, guys my age who never had the
opportunities college offers and who worked physical labor for 40 years,
also speak English better than Bush. And read it better, too.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

I far
preferred Dan'l Patrick Moynihan or Bill Clinton as speakers .

Moynihan was to many voters as a torpedo is to a stationary ship - too much
to handle. He'd begin a speech with an idea which required at least a 30
minute attention span. Cuomo was the same way. And Garrison Keillor......

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Bush started in New England, too. He was born in the same hospital I
was, in New Haven, Connecticut. His father was attending Yale at the
time,

Don't be a simpleton, Harry -- you know better than that. Where you're
born
is not always the salient point. Kerry was born in Colorado.

W lived in Texas oil country from the time he was a small boy.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be using the Texas thing as an
excuse for your leader sounding like a dolt. That's an insult to the rest of
Texas. Are you sure that's what you want to imply?

( OT) Kerry Military Records
 

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


I far
preferred Dan'l Patrick Moynihan or Bill Clinton as speakers .


Moynihan was to many voters as a torpedo is to a stationary ship - too much
to handle. He'd begin a speech with an idea which required at least a 30
minute attention span. Cuomo was the same way. And Garrison Keillor......



Yeah, well, those of us who love language and deal in it tend to admire
those who are expert in using it. Moynihan was a wonderful storyteller.
Whenever I attended a function where he would be, I'd be sure to hang
close, just so I could overhear some of the anecdotes.

Keillor is also a wonderful storyteller. If his radio show visits a city
near you, try to get tickets. It is an absolute hoot.

Of all the Presidents of the past 30 years, I'd rank Clinton the best
speaker, followed by Nixon. Nixon had a remarkable command of language
and was able to speak extem in great detail on complicated subjects.
Reagan was terrible without a script. Bush senior was just average as a
speaker. Carter was about the same. Gerry Ford, a favorite of mine as a
person, wasn't a great speaker.

I can remember Presidents going back to Truman, although I didn't really
get to know Truman until the 1960s, Of all the Presidents I recall,
there is little question Bush is the least capable intellectually, and
the worst speaker.