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When would you board someone else's boat??
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:41:03 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: I'm simply helping him understand laws he is 100% unfamiliar with. The same laws I've become 100% familiar with in order to enjoy the simple pleasure of a vegetable garden in the midst of a few neighbors who don't care. How do you manage that, when you've stated not that long ago, that you live in an apartment complex? Dave |
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Doug Kanter wrote: If it were me, I'd invite the neighbor over, shove his face in the pile of poop, and explain to him that he should review his will at least every few months to be sure it's up to date, if he intends to continue his antisocial behavior. This is the type of response which was expected of you. I don't expect you to understand this. I grew up in Queens. Who the hell knows where you grew up. Oh, I understand. You're a ticking time bomb. You are the left-wing liberal counterpart to the angry- at-society skin-head. -- Charlie |
When would you board someone else's boat??
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:41:03 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: I'm simply helping him understand laws he is 100% unfamiliar with. The same laws I've become 100% familiar with in order to enjoy the simple pleasure of a vegetable garden in the midst of a few neighbors who don't care. Well, I can remember a case that I saw on one of those TV court shows (I know, not the best forum) where a neighbor had problems with a cat or dog tearing up their garden, and after finally having enough, set out some rat poison. The neighbor's pet ate it and died. The pet owner figured out what happened and sued the "killer" and was awarded damages for her loss. The laws you referenced were put into place to cover wild animals destroying commercial crops, not domestic pets invading a vegetable garden. In an earlier post, you remarked about the intrinsic "value" of crops versus that of destructive animals as some sort of justification for killing them. In the case of wild animals, the "value" of commercial crops would seem to exceed the "value" of rabbits, deer, or other indigenous wildlife. But pets are another matter. People place a high "value" on their pets, and as such, they are not as arbitrary and subject to the same considerations WRT intrinsic value versus a wild animal. Do you have a right to kill a wild rabbit who invades your garden? What if it was your neighbor's prized poodle? What if it was the neighbor's kid? Where do you draw the line? I'm curious to hear your justification. Dave http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
When would you board someone else's boat??
What you said was "....The *law* says that if you touch my stuff, I am
required to shoot your stupid ass in the face. Get it?" What the law really says is you can not use deadly force unless a reasonable man would feel in danger of his life. If you shot someone because they touched your stuff, you would be charged with murder. "Don" wrote in message ... John, you better straighten up your act or you will be sent to the corner for contemplation. Where in my single sentence below did I mention dogs? "John Smith" wrote in message news:vr%hc.5371$YP5.524839@attbi_s02... Don, Again, I am confused, are you saying if your neighbors dog takes a crap in your lawn, you are required by law to shot him in the face? "Don" wrote in message ... "Henry Blackmoore" wrote Show me where the laws in a suburban area in this country have been interpreted to allow a homeowner to hide under the guise of growing "food crops" while killing his neighbors dog or cats? Garden be damned. The *law* says that if you touch my stuff, I am required to shoot your stupid ass in the face. Get it? |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:25:49 -0400, "Don"
wrote: "Henry Blackmoore" wrote "Doug Kanter" wrote: Actually, it's legally permitted, performed and tested in the courts on a fairly regular basis. In many places, including what you'd consider "normal suburbs", animals which damage food crops may be killed as long as the method does not endanger neighbors or violate weapons laws. You really ought to think before you hurl, boy. Uh-huh. And you think that somebody's garden comes under the "food crop" definition and that you have the right to kill your neighbor's pets for a damaged tomato plant? Can I come into your house and eat all your food, drink all your beer, fondle your 13 yo daughters nubbins, issue you a matched pair of knuckle sandwiches and take your DVD player on the way out the door? If you choose to use MY personal property for YOUR use, YOU open yourself up to that same behavior. Doesn't anyone know how to *think* anymore? Perhaps you need to measure your response to the situation. A damaged flower is not the same as a break-in, theft, sexual assault etc. Lethal force is justified in cases of imminent threat, but not for lesser infractions. Perhaps you need to surround your garden with a fence. Killing a pet is an excessive response, and shows a general irresponsibility and reckless disregard for other people's rights. There are other effective (and legal) ways of dealing with a situation like this. IMHO, people who can easily justify the killing of an animal for such petty "crimes", is only one step away from using that same mindset against humans as well. Psychological studies show that most serial killers started out torturing animals. So maybe the ticking time bomb analogy is not so far off the mark....... Dave |
When would you board someone else's boat??
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:49:07 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message news:Cd%hc.16820$GR.2456214@attbi_s01... Don, I am having a hard time following this conversation, but from what I can tell you are saying that a dog taking a crap on your lawn is the same as being a child molester. Did I miss something? This is simple, John. Based on actual experience: I'm working in the garden. I have 3 neighbors with little target dogs, like dachshunds. I cut my lawn correctly in the summer, which means 3-4". The target dogs' turds are small enough to fall beneath the level of the grass. I step in it. I'm preoccupied with gardening. I am entitled to focus only on the thing I enjoy, rather than having to watch every step I take. I step in the turds, and run into the house for a drink of water, and maybe to use the bathroom. Now, there's turd on my carpet. I have to stop what I'm doing and rent a rug shampooer. A simple stiff brush, a spray bottle of Oxy-Clean, some paper towels and 5 minutes later, it's done. I've cleaned up my share of "messes" before. It's not such a big deal. Not only does the machine cost money, but the dog owner has stolen 3-4 hours of my precious time. If I apply my working rate to my weekend hours, that time is worth between $500 and $10,000.00. The dog owner has stolen that from me. An extreme exaggeration meant, no doubt, to attach some sort of inflated value to your time, and to somehow justify your draconian response. Killing a dog for getting a little poop on your carpet? You really are in need of some counseling. But find a good shrink. Get it? Stealing. Why? So the dog owner can keep his fat ass on the sofa watching football, rather than tie the dog up in his own backyard and clean the turds out of his damned lawn. I leave the turds in mine. They make good fertilizer. The grass is the greenest where the dog goes. And yes, I tie the dog out. Calling the dog catcher a dozen times achieved nothing. "Duh...I have to actually witness the dog running loose before I can do anything about it". And this justifies your vigilante justice? This is why one dog on my street actually vanished about 15 years ago. Sort of like Jimmy Hoffa. I'm proud of you. Doug Kanter, Canine hit-man. My property, my garden, my time, my money. No different than if you did a gorgeous job of painting your house and I came along with a painball gun and redecorated it for you. Get it? Same exact thing. Not the same thing. There's that little thing called malicious intent. How about if you painted your house, and a flock of migrating geese decided to bomb it? Would you shoot all geese? Put up a fence. Dave |
When would you board someone else's boat??
I have no idea if it is legal to shot a dog because he comes into your
garden, but I know I could never kill a dog for that reason. If a dog was running free and crapping in my garden I would call animal control and have the dog picked up. If the neighbor was being unreasonable and was not honoring my request to keep his animal off of my property, I would file a suit with small claims court. I can't believe that two people in this small group, would advocate killing a defense animal due to their neighbors neglect. Yours and Don's statements say more about who you are, than anything I or anyone else could say. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Don" wrote in message ... Doug, You don't have to go defensive over erroneous claims. Henry has no more say over your property than you do over his. Just smear his nose in his own **** and move on. I'm simply helping him understand laws he is 100% unfamiliar with. The same laws I've become 100% familiar with in order to enjoy the simple pleasure of a vegetable garden in the midst of a few neighbors who don't care. sigh It's not your job to educate morons, though you may choose to do so for hobby. The *law* has nothing to do with it. We're talking about *morality* here. If Blackmoore chooses to act immorally and infringe on your *natural* rights, you just plug him and turn him into fertilizer. There are way too many Blackmoores running loose anyway. Morality, yes. But, in some cases, the law reflects basic moral issues which continue to be important to people. Henry has apparently created nothing worth preserving, therefore he is having extreme difficulty grasping this issue. Fortunately, the courts do NOT share this handicap. Henry should invite his lawyer to dinner and request an education. Better yet, he should head to his town/city hall and spend an afternoon browsing through his local laws. It'll be a real eye opener. |
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Don, I am not reacting emotional, it appears that you are, based upon your
experience with a bad neighbor. I hate to tell you this, but if someone damages your property, you have neither the moral or the legal justification to damage your neighbors property. You have the right to file a report with the police and to take them to court. "Don" wrote in message ... Geezis, what the hell is going on around here? I said that if you choose to use MY stuff to YOUR benefit than I have the moral equivilent to do the same. John, PLEASE think these things through before reacting emotionally. "John Smith" wrote in message news:Cd%hc.16820$GR.2456214@attbi_s01... Don, I am having a hard time following this conversation, but from what I can tell you are saying that a dog taking a crap on your lawn is the same as being a child molester. Did I miss something? "Don" wrote in message ... "Henry Blackmoore" wrote "Doug Kanter" wrote: Actually, it's legally permitted, performed and tested in the courts on a fairly regular basis. In many places, including what you'd consider "normal suburbs", animals which damage food crops may be killed as long as the method does not endanger neighbors or violate weapons laws. You really ought to think before you hurl, boy. Uh-huh. And you think that somebody's garden comes under the "food crop" definition and that you have the right to kill your neighbor's pets for a damaged tomato plant? Can I come into your house and eat all your food, drink all your beer, fondle your 13 yo daughters nubbins, issue you a matched pair of knuckle sandwiches and take your DVD player on the way out the door? If you choose to use MY personal property for YOUR use, YOU open yourself up to that same behavior. Doesn't anyone know how to *think* anymore? |
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I was wondering if Doug was as out of control as you were. I completely
agree that you should treat your neighbor as you would like to be treated. What you fail to realize is you do not have the right to break the law, by damaging or taking your neighbors property, in retaliation to his breaking the law. While many people in here disagree, you are the only person in rec.boats who scares me. I can not believe anyone would say "If you abuse that one simple rule (the Golden Rule), you must pay a severe consequence". I think you might benefit from some anger management counseling. "Don" wrote in message ... What the **** is it with you John? What the hell difference does it make if Doug agrees with me? Don't you have a brain of your own? Don't you have a backbone? We're not talking rocket surgery here, just very simple basics. Most kids are taught these things at about age 5, how old are you? Here, I'll spell it out for you: *Treat other people as you want to be treated.* There, is that simple enough? If you abuse that one simple rule of humanity you may pay a severe consequence. Don't let your dog **** in my yard, don't paintball my house, don't fondle my daughter, etc. In turn I won't do those things to you. Does any of this make sense to you? "John Smith" wrote in message news:Fw0ic.5465$cF6.293888@attbi_s04... Doug, So you do agree with Don that a person who allows a dog to crap on your lawn, is the same thing as your neighbor coming over to your house and sexually molesting your daughter? Do you also agree with Don, that the law requires you to shot the person in the face if their dog craps in your lawn? "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:Cd%hc.16820$GR.2456214@attbi_s01... Don, I am having a hard time following this conversation, but from what I can tell you are saying that a dog taking a crap on your lawn is the same as being a child molester. Did I miss something? This is simple, John. Based on actual experience: I'm working in the garden. I have 3 neighbors with little target dogs, like dachshunds. I cut my lawn correctly in the summer, which means 3-4". The target dogs' turds are small enough to fall beneath the level of the grass. I step in it. I'm preoccupied with gardening. I am entitled to focus only on the thing I enjoy, rather than having to watch every step I take. I step in the turds, and run into the house for a drink of water, and maybe to use the bathroom. Now, there's turd on my carpet. I have to stop what I'm doing and rent a rug shampooer. Not only does the machine cost money, but the dog owner has stolen 3-4 hours of my precious time. If I apply my working rate to my weekend hours, that time is worth between $500 and $10,000.00. The dog owner has stolen that from me. Get it? Stealing. Why? So the dog owner can keep his fat ass on the sofa watching football, rather than tie the dog up in his own backyard and clean the turds out of his damned lawn. Calling the dog catcher a dozen times achieved nothing. "Duh...I have to actually witness the dog running loose before I can do anything about it". This is why one dog on my street actually vanished about 15 years ago. Sort of like Jimmy Hoffa. My property, my garden, my time, my money. No different than if you did a gorgeous job of painting your house and I came along with a painball gun and redecorated it for you. Get it? Same exact thing. |
When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would you board someone else's boat??
"Charles" wrote in message
... Doug Kanter wrote: If it were me, I'd invite the neighbor over, shove his face in the pile of poop, and explain to him that he should review his will at least every few months to be sure it's up to date, if he intends to continue his antisocial behavior. This is the type of response which was expected of you. I don't expect you to understand this. I grew up in Queens. Who the hell knows where you grew up. Oh, I understand. You're a ticking time bomb. You are the left-wing liberal counterpart to the angry- at-society skin-head. -- Charlie Gotta separate things into categories to help you: 1) Because I agree with Harry on a few things, I'm a liberal? 2) Actually, due to a couple of letters I wrote to a local paper, the Libertarians are courting me. If you knew anything about the labels you use, you'd understand this. |
When would you board someone else's boat??
"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 16:45:09 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:56:38 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . Some people bitch a bit too much. Learn to cut some slack and deal with it. We both know why you jumped into THIS particular discussion, don't we, Dave? :-) No, why don't you tell us? Dave No, Dave. It's not my job to help you with these things. You're the one who posed the supposedly rhetorical question. By your act of doing so, you are then taking on the role of "all-knowing". Consequently, I gave you the chance to validate your statement, by further imparting your wisdom on us. Since you chose not to, I'll have to correct my earlier assumption....... Dave http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Enjoy the assumption, Dave. |
When would you board someone else's boat??
True. But if someone's inside your home, you don't need to feel ANYTHING.
You're entitled to shoot. It's always wiser not to, though. The paperwork is outrageous and the police don't clean up the mess for you. "John Smith" wrote in message news:8H7ic.9827$w96.1023873@attbi_s54... What you said was "....The *law* says that if you touch my stuff, I am required to shoot your stupid ass in the face. Get it?" What the law really says is you can not use deadly force unless a reasonable man would feel in danger of his life. If you shot someone because they touched your stuff, you would be charged with murder. "Don" wrote in message ... John, you better straighten up your act or you will be sent to the corner for contemplation. Where in my single sentence below did I mention dogs? "John Smith" wrote in message news:vr%hc.5371$YP5.524839@attbi_s02... Don, Again, I am confused, are you saying if your neighbors dog takes a crap in your lawn, you are required by law to shot him in the face? "Don" wrote in message ... "Henry Blackmoore" wrote Show me where the laws in a suburban area in this country have been interpreted to allow a homeowner to hide under the guise of growing "food crops" while killing his neighbors dog or cats? Garden be damned. The *law* says that if you touch my stuff, I am required to shoot your stupid ass in the face. Get it? |
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"John Smith" wrote in message
news:nU7ic.10331$IW1.713713@attbi_s52... I have no idea if it is legal to shot a dog because he comes into your garden, but I know I could never kill a dog for that reason. If a dog was running free and crapping in my garden I would call animal control and have the dog picked up. If the neighbor was being unreasonable and was not honoring my request to keep his animal off of my property, I would file a suit with small claims court. I can't believe that two people in this small group, would advocate killing a defense animal due to their neighbors neglect. Yours and Don's statements say more about who you are, than anything I or anyone else could say. Unlike Henry, you sound like a guy who has the mental capacity to mull over a hypothetical situation. In fact, this is based on reality. Here goes: 1) The animal control person fails to do his job after 15 phonecalls. The excuses are absurd. 2) The neighbor promises to improve the situation, but does absolutely nothing. 3) You go to court and are told that it's not a small claims issue. 4) It's the middle of May, and you've put 200 hours of work into the vegetable garden so far. It's literally being destroyed by a dog which digs there. Now what? |
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 03:41:03 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: I'm simply helping him understand laws he is 100% unfamiliar with. The same laws I've become 100% familiar with in order to enjoy the simple pleasure of a vegetable garden in the midst of a few neighbors who don't care. How do you manage that, when you've stated not that long ago, that you live in an apartment complex? Dave One last time, Dave. Write this down and don't ask again. 1) I owned a home until 2 years ago when I got divorced. I lived in it for close to 20 years. 2) I have lived in an apartment from the time I left the home until now. 3) I am voraciously shopping for another home right now. Got it? PS: In my apartment is a tenant whose dog craps all over the small grassy area that's supposed to be shared by everyone. The crap on the lawn makes it seem like she was trying to create a perfect grid, with a pile every 2 feet or so in every direction. The landlord is clueless as to how to handle it. Dogs are universal. It doesn't matter where you live. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
... In my apartment is a tenant whose dog craps all over the small grassy area that's supposed to be shared by everyone. The crap on the lawn makes it seem like she was trying to create a perfect grid, with a pile every 2 feet or so in every direction. The landlord is clueless as to how to handle it. Here's a suggestion... write a polite note and tape it to the dog owner's door. Suggest that he clean up after his dog. Give him two days, or until the very next time he doesn't clean up. Then (this is the unpleasant part) you get a trash bag, and using it inside out so as to minimize unpleasantness, gather all the deposits. Now tape the bag to the neighbor's door. Another option is to explain to scout around for a dog-free place to live, and tell the landlord that if he doesn't fix the situation you are going to move and hold him responsible for your expenses since he has violated your lease terms. About being polite... good manners always improve any situation. Besides, if fuming & cussing is your default mode, how can people tell when you're *really* mad? For example, 2 cultures, Southerners & Japanese, are both very polite... and they are also both very dangerous to have ****ed off at you. Dogs are universal. It doesn't matter where you live. It's not the dog that's the problem. DSK |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:XL8ic.2312 Unlike Henry, you sound like a guy who has the mental capacity to mull over a hypothetical situation. In fact, this is based on reality. Here goes: 1) The animal control person fails to do his job after 15 phonecalls. The excuses are absurd. 2) The neighbor promises to improve the situation, but does absolutely nothing. 3) You go to court and are told that it's not a small claims issue. 4) It's the middle of May, and you've put 200 hours of work into the vegetable garden so far. It's literally being destroyed by a dog which digs there. Now what? At this point I probably would pick up the dog's **** and place it on the hood of his car. |
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
... I'm simply helping him understand laws he is 100% unfamiliar with. The same laws I've become 100% familiar with in order to enjoy the simple pleasure of a vegetable garden in the midst of a few neighbors who don't care. Well, I can remember a case that I saw on one of those TV court shows (I know, not the best forum) where a neighbor had problems with a cat or dog tearing up their garden, and after finally having enough, set out some rat poison. The neighbor's pet ate it and died. The pet owner figured out what happened and sued the "killer" and was awarded damages for her loss. Two things: First of all, the guy who killed the pet didn't finish the job. He should wrapped it in a trash bag and taken it to a dumpster. Either way, he was rid of the problem. Second: It's highly likely that the pet owner learned to keep her next animal where it belonged. The laws you referenced were put into place to cover wild animals destroying commercial crops, not domestic pets invading a vegetable garden. The law here does not specify animals by species. Any uncontrolled animal is "wild". And, answer a question which I posed to one of the Patsy Twins: How large do YOU think a vegetable garden has to be before YOU consider it a food source which, if threatened, is the same as someone sticking a knife in your face and demanding your wallet? In an earlier post, you remarked about the intrinsic "value" of crops versus that of destructive animals as some sort of justification for killing them. In the case of wild animals, the "value" of commercial crops would seem to exceed the "value" of rabbits, deer, or other indigenous wildlife. Commercial crops? Who are YOU to determine the monetary value of the food I grow? One year, I got a 20x40 area to crank out what we estimated to be over $800.00 worth of food. But pets are another matter. People place a high "value" on their pets, and as such, they are not as arbitrary and subject to the same considerations WRT intrinsic value versus a wild animal. Correction: ***SOME*** people place a high value on their pets. The ones who let dogs roam the neighborhood do NOT. Those people have clearly demonstrated that they want their dogs to be hit by cars. Otherwise, they would not let them roam. Got it? Do you have a right to kill a wild rabbit who invades your garden? What if it was your neighbor's prized poodle? What if it was the neighbor's kid? Where do you draw the line? I'm curious to hear your justification. Rabbit: 99% of the time, no. Bugs and rabbits sometimes eat 10% of your crops. I plant 10% extra. It works out nicely. Rabbits may eat some lettuce, but they don't dig up a 1x1 square every time they take a crap. One particularly bold rabbit became coniglio con aglio, rosmarino & pomodori, served with buckwheat polenta. Delicious. Poodle: If it fits the necessary criteria and diplomatic efforts to stop the problem have failed, the dog is in trouble. Incidentally, you've chosen or pretended to miss the difference between a rabbit and a dog. The rabbit's doing what it's supposed to do. The dog belongs to a person who is pretending not to know that you cannot destroy your neighbor's property. Neighbor's kids: Don't be stupid. That's a human being, easily dealt with via the standard laws of civil trespass. Call the cops. In reality, every single kid I knew enjoyed visiting the garden. They were, without exception, fascinated by seeing where their food came from. They were free to come get vegetables any time they wanted, as long as they were shown how each thing needed to be picked so the plant wouldn't be hurt. A couple of kids asked if they could grow something they liked, so I added a few more feet to the garden and designated it as the "kid zone", where *I* had to ask *them* if it was OK to have some of what THEY grew. The net result of all this was that the kids were eating vegetables that their parents had been trying to get them to eat for years. The immediate neighbor shut off her stupid ChemLawn service rather than contaminate the source of her daughter's snacks. Anything else you need to be taught today? |
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"John Smith" wrote in message
news:X38ic.10395$IW1.715397@attbi_s52... I was wondering if Doug was as out of control as you were. I completely agree that you should treat your neighbor as you would like to be treated. What you fail to realize is you do not have the right to break the law, by damaging or taking your neighbors property, in retaliation to his breaking the law. If, by "property", you are including a neighbor's dog, your argument holds no water. If a neighbor lets the dog roam, he doesn't care what happens to it. The minute it leaves HIS property, it's a wild animal. If it's garbage day, your neighbor is throwing out some scrap lumber, and you grab a piece, it's the same thing. He didn't want it any more. |
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
... Not only does the machine cost money, but the dog owner has stolen 3-4 hours of my precious time. If I apply my working rate to my weekend hours, that time is worth between $500 and $10,000.00. The dog owner has stolen that from me. An extreme exaggeration meant, no doubt, to attach some sort of inflated value to your time, Really? In the last 45 minutes, I sold 7 trucks of cereal to a large midwestern grocery chain. I have 3 more to go. The profit will amount to around $9000.00. Don't question what my time is worth, boy. Matter of fact, don't question what ANYONE'S time is worth, except your own. |
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
... Perhaps you need to surround your garden with a fence. Killing a pet is an excessive response, and shows a general irresponsibility and reckless disregard for other people's rights. Rights? Are you saying that a neighbor has the RIGHT to send his dog over to my yard and litter it with ****? If your answer is "yes", then you must also believe I have the right to roll my trash barrel down to HIS property and dump it on his porch. |
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"John Smith" wrote in message
news:a59ic.10918$aQ6.877797@attbi_s51... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:XL8ic.2312 Unlike Henry, you sound like a guy who has the mental capacity to mull over a hypothetical situation. In fact, this is based on reality. Here goes: 1) The animal control person fails to do his job after 15 phonecalls. The excuses are absurd. 2) The neighbor promises to improve the situation, but does absolutely nothing. 3) You go to court and are told that it's not a small claims issue. 4) It's the middle of May, and you've put 200 hours of work into the vegetable garden so far. It's literally being destroyed by a dog which digs there. Now what? At this point I probably would pick up the dog's **** and place it on the hood of his car. Ah ha! That could potentially be interpreted as a vigilante tactic. Very good! But, I'd suggest that you lift a windshield wiper, drop the **** on the glass, and let the wiper drop into the ****. Much more effective. |
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"DSK" wrote in message
... Doug Kanter wrote: ... In my apartment is a tenant whose dog craps all over the small grassy area that's supposed to be shared by everyone. The crap on the lawn makes it seem like she was trying to create a perfect grid, with a pile every 2 feet or so in every direction. The landlord is clueless as to how to handle it. Here's a suggestion... write a polite note and tape it to the dog owner's door. Suggest that he clean up after his dog. Give him two days, or until the very next time he doesn't clean up. Then (this is the unpleasant part) you get a trash bag, and using it inside out so as to minimize unpleasantness, gather all the deposits. Now tape the bag to the neighbor's door. Actually, I've spoken to this neighbor politely. She cleaned up the mess. Once. Then, it started again. She apparently thought I meant "just this time". This is actually standard practice for bad dog owners. Another option is to explain to scout around for a dog-free place to live, and tell the landlord that if he doesn't fix the situation you are going to move and hold him responsible for your expenses since he has violated your lease terms. Nah...the next move will be to a house. And, the landlord is on the defensive as of today. Money talks. At the end of my 2nd year in this apartment, I told her I was looking for a house and asked if they'd go for a 6-month extension instead of a year. She said yes, but it meant I'd have to pay an extra $50 per month. I asked how my request presented them with an actual financial cost. Her answer: "That covers the cost of continuing to service you". I don't know what mental picture that paints for you, but for me, it's a bad one. We spoke again this morning and I reminded her of my policy: If one thing is broken, the whole package is worthless. This being the case, I would be withholding the upcoming rent check until the package was made whole. "You are NOT continuing to service me". She's consulting with her boss at the moment. "Whole" means the dog goes, or anytime I see dog ****, I subtract a day's rent. This complex has too much empty inventory. They'll go for the deal. About being polite... good manners always improve any situation. Besides, if fuming & cussing is your default mode, how can people tell when you're *really* mad? For example, 2 cultures, Southerners & Japanese, are both very polite... and they are also both very dangerous to have ****ed off at you. Actually, when I get mad, I get quiet. I create the image that everything's cooled off. The results have more impact that way. Dogs are universal. It doesn't matter where you live. It's not the dog that's the problem. No, but if they're gone, so is the trail they leave. |
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When would you board someone else's boat??
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 04:17:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: If you ask a neighbor to control its dog and the neighbor refuses, then yes. It is equivalent to molesting your daughter. I do NOT agree that the neighbor should be shot. However, you must realize that by refusing to cooperate, the neighbor has made a request. No he hasn't. That's YOUR choice. He's not the one with the problem, you are. He has asked you to bring all possible legal forces to bear on him as quickly as possible. Key word: Legal. Killing his pet is not justified, unless that pet attacks you. If you do not honor his explicit request, then YOU are a bad neighbor. Why? He made no such request, despite your somewhat warped opinion to the contrary. It's your job to involve the police, animal control people and courts immediately, the goal being to remove the animal from the home, extract a huge fine, and cause as much heartbreak as possible at the loss of a pet. So you like inflicting pain on other people? I believe in giving back too. If you killed my dog, lets just say that your land would soon become unable to sustain life for the next several years....... And then where would you be? Right, just where you are now, in an apartment. Remember: You are honoring the neighbor's explicit request. As a side benefit, you will help his children learn something which he was too stupid or lazy to teach them - owning a pet involves work. Yes it does. But it is not your place to teach them. Dog owners like that really don't want to own pets. They probably get dogs because someone else in the house wanted one, but was also too lazy to care for it correctly. That much is true in many cases. But it's still not your place. In rural areas, it may be safe and legal* to shoot the dog. Obviously, it's your responsibility to do just that, to honor your neighbor's request. Safe maybe, legal no. Dave http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
When would you board someone else's boat??
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 01:31:31 -0400, "Don"
wrote: What the **** is it with you John? What the hell difference does it make if Doug agrees with me? Don't you have a brain of your own? Don't you have a backbone? We're not talking rocket surgery here, just very simple basics. Most kids are taught these things at about age 5, how old are you? Here, I'll spell it out for you: *Treat other people as you want to be treated.* There, is that simple enough? If you abuse that one simple rule of humanity you may pay a severe consequence. Don't let your dog **** in my yard, don't paintball my house, don't fondle my daughter, etc. In turn I won't do those things to you. Does any of this make sense to you? Fair enough. If my dog ****s in your yard, you have my permission to **** in mine. If you kill my dog, then I kill you. Fair? You seem to have this issue with comparing apples to oranges. In no way, in any rational person's mind, should something so trivial as "dog droppings" justify lethal force as a response. Dave. |
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
... I don't understand what the big deal is. Poop is biodegradable. It's not like the dog dented your car or scratched your boat. I don't know about you, but by 5:00 PM Friday, I have a mental list of all the enjoyable things I'm going to do over the weekend. There's no spare time for cleaning dog **** off my carpet. "Biodegradable" is not relevant INSIDE a house or car. I have no problem with people for whom coprophilia is a hobby. It's not my hobby, though. How are you dealing with it? Ashes and butts are biodegradable. The filters are NOT biodegradable. Inconsiderate behavior in general screams a chorus of: "ME! ME! ME! **** YOU!" Yes. But which behaviors are considered "inconsiderate" are often a matter of opinion. On private property, there is only ONE opinion: that of the property owner. |
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
... On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 04:17:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: If you ask a neighbor to control its dog and the neighbor refuses, then yes. It is equivalent to molesting your daughter. I do NOT agree that the neighbor should be shot. However, you must realize that by refusing to cooperate, the neighbor has made a request. No he hasn't. That's YOUR choice. He's not the one with the problem, you are. Nope. By his INACTION in managing his pet correctly, he has said "I'm doing nothing, and I dare you to do something about it". He has asked you to bring all possible legal forces to bear on him as quickly as possible. Key word: Legal. Killing his pet is not justified, unless that pet attacks you. The food destruction legalities have already been explained to you. They will NOT be explained again. As far as a dog simply crapping on your lawn: The law defines civil trespass to INCLUDE causing or negligently permitting foreign substances to enter private property. So, if neighbor's dog craps on your property, the human has trespassed, even if he's on the sofa when the dog is on your property. If your neighbor is spray painting his garage and allows it to drift onto your car, he's trespassing. Get it? It's your job to involve the police, animal control people and courts immediately, the goal being to remove the animal from the home, extract a huge fine, and cause as much heartbreak as possible at the loss of a pet. So you like inflicting pain on other people? I believe in giving back too. If you killed my dog, lets just say that your land would soon become unable to sustain life for the next several years....... And then where would you be? Right, just where you are now, in an apartment. If you allow your dog to litter private property, YOU obviously enjoy inflicting pain. What if a neighbor needs to take 3 hours off from work to wait at home for a carpet cleaning service. You have stolen from them, Davey. Because of your dog, the neighbor may end up experiencing friction with his boss. If the boss is an asshole, the employee may not hear the end of the aggravation for quite some time, all because you were too busy on the sofa to walk your dog. Remember: You are honoring the neighbor's explicit request. As a side benefit, you will help his children learn something which he was too stupid or lazy to teach them - owning a pet involves work. Yes it does. But it is not your place to teach them. Losing your dog is better than prison, don't you think? Dog owners like that really don't want to own pets. They probably get dogs because someone else in the house wanted one, but was also too lazy to care for it correctly. That much is true in many cases. But it's still not your place. Here, after 3 complaints, the dog catcher will remove the dog from the owner PERMANENTLY and arrange for a $250.00 fine. Do you think the dog catcher enjoys inflicting pain? In rural areas, it may be safe and legal* to shoot the dog. Obviously, it's your responsibility to do just that, to honor your neighbor's request. Safe maybe, legal no. Legal, yes. |
When would you board someone else's boat??
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
... On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 01:31:31 -0400, "Don" wrote: What the **** is it with you John? What the hell difference does it make if Doug agrees with me? Don't you have a brain of your own? Don't you have a backbone? We're not talking rocket surgery here, just very simple basics. Most kids are taught these things at about age 5, how old are you? Here, I'll spell it out for you: *Treat other people as you want to be treated.* There, is that simple enough? If you abuse that one simple rule of humanity you may pay a severe consequence. Don't let your dog **** in my yard, don't paintball my house, don't fondle my daughter, etc. In turn I won't do those things to you. Does any of this make sense to you? Fair enough. If my dog ****s in your yard, you have my permission to **** in mine. If you kill my dog, then I kill you. Fair? You seem to have this issue with comparing apples to oranges. In no way, in any rational person's mind, should something so trivial as "dog droppings" justify lethal force as a response. Dave. How about this: I'm creating a new art form. It's sort of like etchings. I use a key on the side of your car. It won't be just a scratch, mind you. It'll be an actual picture. This is identical to your allowing your dog to crap on my lawn. Is my new art form OK with you? |
When would you board someone else's boat??
Doug Kanter wrote:
Nah...the next move will be to a house. And, the landlord is on the defensive as of today. Money talks. At the end of my 2nd year in this apartment, I told her I was looking for a house and asked if they'd go for a 6-month extension instead of a year. She said yes, but it meant I'd have to pay an extra $50 per month. No, it means they'll have an empty apartment 6 months sooner ;) Dogs are universal. It doesn't matter where you live. It's not the dog that's the problem. No, but if they're gone, so is the trail they leave. Agreed. It's a shame that there are so many people who feel they ought to have a dog, but really don't have the time or the know-how to keep one or train it properly. It's a flaw in our civilization IMHO. Dogs cannot raise & train themselves, and they certainly can't make it in this world on their own. They didn't ask to be born any more than you & I did. But then my attitude is shaped by always having had a dog, and always having cared for & trained them properly, and been rewarded by always having *good* dogs. The flip side of the coin is people that are pathologically afraid of dogs, go ballistic around dogs, and seem to feel that dogs ought to be prohibited anywhere they feel like going. I've had people scream at me simply for having a dog, and one neighbor (who has since moved) threatened me with violence because my dog sniffed at his mailbox. Regards Doug King |
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You don't know what you're talking about.
Go Google: Lysander Spooner and find out what real *Law* is. sheesh..... "John Smith" wrote in message news:8H7ic.9827$w96.1023873@attbi_s54... What you said was "....The *law* says that if you touch my stuff, I am required to shoot your stupid ass in the face. Get it?" What the law really says is you can not use deadly force unless a reasonable man would feel in danger of his life. If you shot someone because they touched your stuff, you would be charged with murder. "Don" wrote in message ... John, you better straighten up your act or you will be sent to the corner for contemplation. Where in my single sentence below did I mention dogs? "John Smith" wrote in message news:vr%hc.5371$YP5.524839@attbi_s02... Don, Again, I am confused, are you saying if your neighbors dog takes a crap in your lawn, you are required by law to shot him in the face? "Don" wrote in message ... "Henry Blackmoore" wrote Show me where the laws in a suburban area in this country have been interpreted to allow a homeowner to hide under the guise of growing "food crops" while killing his neighbors dog or cats? Garden be damned. The *law* says that if you touch my stuff, I am required to shoot your stupid ass in the face. Get it? |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Don" wrote in message ... Doug, You don't have to go defensive over erroneous claims. Henry has no more say over your property than you do over his. Just smear his nose in his own **** and move on. I'm simply helping him understand laws he is 100% unfamiliar with. The same laws I've become 100% familiar with in order to enjoy the simple pleasure of a vegetable garden in the midst of a few neighbors who don't care. sigh It's not your job to educate morons, though you may choose to do so for hobby. The *law* has nothing to do with it. We're talking about *morality* here. If Blackmoore chooses to act immorally and infringe on your *natural* rights, you just plug him and turn him into fertilizer. There are way too many Blackmoores running loose anyway. Morality, yes. But, in some cases, the law reflects basic moral issues which continue to be important to people. Associating written laws with morality does you a disservice. There is no connection. Henry has apparently created nothing worth preserving, therefore he is having extreme difficulty grasping this issue. Fortunately, the courts do NOT share this handicap. Henry should invite his lawyer to dinner and request an education. Better yet, he should head to his town/city hall and spend an afternoon browsing through his local laws. It'll be a real eye opener. |
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"Don" wrote in message
... Morality, yes. But, in some cases, the law reflects basic moral issues which continue to be important to people. Associating written laws with morality does you a disservice. There is no connection. Some laws exist to guide the perpetually stupid. Otherwise, such people could not figure out, for instance, that it's not good to make outrageous noise at 3:00 AM when your neighbors are trying to sleep. |
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"John Smith" wrote
I can't believe that two people in this small group, would advocate killing a defense animal due to their neighbors neglect. Yours and Don's statements say more about who you are, than anything I or anyone else could say. I have 2 beautiful female spaniels under my desk right now that I saved from the pound 4 years ago, and we have 7 cats lounging by the pool in their own private screened in porch. I have saved another 11 dogs and 2 cats in the past year since we moved to our new rural home. Every year on June 20th, the anniversary of my first dogs death, I donate 100 pounds of dog food and 100 pounds of cat food to the local animal control and then I spend the rest of the day there talking to and petting hundreds of dogs and cats, rabbits, etc. You are so far off base it is laughable. This is twice now that you've accused me of wanting to harm a dog. Why are you doing this when you know it's a goddamn lie? |
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"Don" wrote in message
... "John Smith" wrote I can't believe that two people in this small group, would advocate killing a defense animal due to their neighbors neglect. Yours and Don's statements say more about who you are, than anything I or anyone else could say. I have 2 beautiful female spaniels under my desk right now that I saved from the pound 4 years ago, and we have 7 cats lounging by the pool in their own private screened in porch. I have saved another 11 dogs and 2 cats in the past year since we moved to our new rural home. Every year on June 20th, the anniversary of my first dogs death, I donate 100 pounds of dog food and 100 pounds of cat food to the local animal control and then I spend the rest of the day there talking to and petting hundreds of dogs and cats, rabbits, etc. You are so far off base it is laughable. This is twice now that you've accused me of wanting to harm a dog. Why are you doing this when you know it's a goddamn lie? Don, this newsgroup is home to a few binary thinkers. Be thankful they never got it in their minds to become judges. |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:nU7ic.10331$IW1.713713@attbi_s52... I have no idea if it is legal to shot a dog because he comes into your garden, but I know I could never kill a dog for that reason. If a dog was running free and crapping in my garden I would call animal control and have the dog picked up. If the neighbor was being unreasonable and was not honoring my request to keep his animal off of my property, I would file a suit with small claims court. I can't believe that two people in this small group, would advocate killing a defense animal due to their neighbors neglect. Yours and Don's statements say more about who you are, than anything I or anyone else could say. Unlike Henry, you sound like a guy who has the mental capacity to mull over a hypothetical situation. In fact, this is based on reality. Here goes: 1) The animal control person fails to do his job after 15 phonecalls. The excuses are absurd. 2) The neighbor promises to improve the situation, but does absolutely nothing. 3) You go to court and are told that it's not a small claims issue. 4) It's the middle of May, and you've put 200 hours of work into the vegetable garden so far. It's literally being destroyed by a dog which digs there. Now what? Two years ago when we lived in the more urban part of the city, while walking my 2 leashed (leashes are required here) spaniels at 10 pm, we were viciously attacked by full grown Rottweilers and German Shepherds THREE times. All three times I kicked the hell out of the attackers, while pulling my 2 leashed dogs behind me. During the last attack I killed the German Shepherd with about 5 good kicks to the ribs and head. After the first attack I called the Animal Control and was told there is nothing they can do after 5 pm. I then called the police and they told me that there was nothing they could do and that I should get a gun and a permit and shoot the attackers. I then asked if it was illegal to discharge a firearm in the city limits and they told me it was. I then asked what the penalty was for shooting a dog within the city limits and they told me that I would be charged with a felony and my gun would be confiscated. Welcome to the new Russia. |
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"John Smith" wrote in message news:a59ic.10918$aQ6.877797@attbi_s51... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:XL8ic.2312 Unlike Henry, you sound like a guy who has the mental capacity to mull over a hypothetical situation. In fact, this is based on reality. Here goes: 1) The animal control person fails to do his job after 15 phonecalls. The excuses are absurd. 2) The neighbor promises to improve the situation, but does absolutely nothing. 3) You go to court and are told that it's not a small claims issue. 4) It's the middle of May, and you've put 200 hours of work into the vegetable garden so far. It's literally being destroyed by a dog which digs there. Now what? At this point I probably would pick up the dog's **** and place it on the hood of his car. That's against the law, isn't it? Are you now advocating ignoring laws? |
When would you board someone else's boat??
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:a59ic.10918$aQ6.877797@attbi_s51... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:XL8ic.2312 Unlike Henry, you sound like a guy who has the mental capacity to mull over a hypothetical situation. In fact, this is based on reality. Here goes: 1) The animal control person fails to do his job after 15 phonecalls. The excuses are absurd. 2) The neighbor promises to improve the situation, but does absolutely nothing. 3) You go to court and are told that it's not a small claims issue. 4) It's the middle of May, and you've put 200 hours of work into the vegetable garden so far. It's literally being destroyed by a dog which digs there. Now what? At this point I probably would pick up the dog's **** and place it on the hood of his car. Ah ha! That could potentially be interpreted as a vigilante tactic. Very good! But, I'd suggest that you lift a windshield wiper, drop the **** on the glass, and let the wiper drop into the ****. Much more effective. Just drop a handful of mothballs in the owners gas tank. |
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"DSK" wrote
But then my attitude is shaped by always having had a dog, and always having cared for & trained them properly, and been rewarded by always having *good* dogs. There are no bad dogs, just bad owners. |
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"Don" wrote in message
... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:nU7ic.10331$IW1.713713@attbi_s52... I have no idea if it is legal to shot a dog because he comes into your garden, but I know I could never kill a dog for that reason. If a dog was running free and crapping in my garden I would call animal control and have the dog picked up. If the neighbor was being unreasonable and was not honoring my request to keep his animal off of my property, I would file a suit with small claims court. I can't believe that two people in this small group, would advocate killing a defense animal due to their neighbors neglect. Yours and Don's statements say more about who you are, than anything I or anyone else could say. Unlike Henry, you sound like a guy who has the mental capacity to mull over a hypothetical situation. In fact, this is based on reality. Here goes: 1) The animal control person fails to do his job after 15 phonecalls. The excuses are absurd. 2) The neighbor promises to improve the situation, but does absolutely nothing. 3) You go to court and are told that it's not a small claims issue. 4) It's the middle of May, and you've put 200 hours of work into the vegetable garden so far. It's literally being destroyed by a dog which digs there. Now what? Two years ago when we lived in the more urban part of the city, while walking my 2 leashed (leashes are required here) spaniels at 10 pm, we were viciously attacked by full grown Rottweilers and German Shepherds THREE times. All three times I kicked the hell out of the attackers, while pulling my 2 leashed dogs behind me. During the last attack I killed the German Shepherd with about 5 good kicks to the ribs and head. After the first attack I called the Animal Control and was told there is nothing they can do after 5 pm. I then called the police and they told me that there was nothing they could do and that I should get a gun and a permit and shoot the attackers. I then asked if it was illegal to discharge a firearm in the city limits and they told me it was. I then asked what the penalty was for shooting a dog within the city limits and they told me that I would be charged with a felony and my gun would be confiscated. Welcome to the new Russia. Step 1: Pepper spray Step 2: Break the dog's neck Step 3: Drop dog into nearest trash can, being sure to remove its tags, if any, and drop them into the nearest storm drain. Step 4: Go home and celebrate with a beer. |
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There's something wrong with this boy's circuit board.
If you leave me the hell alone, John, you can expect the same in return. If you **** with me, you will get ****ed over. Is that so hard to understand? And you can shove your *anger managment* right up your ass, anger has nothing to do with it, common sense does....which you seem to be lacking. "John Smith" wrote in message news:X38ic.10395$IW1.715397@attbi_s52... I was wondering if Doug was as out of control as you were. I completely agree that you should treat your neighbor as you would like to be treated. What you fail to realize is you do not have the right to break the law, by damaging or taking your neighbors property, in retaliation to his breaking the law. While many people in here disagree, you are the only person in rec.boats who scares me. I can not believe anyone would say "If you abuse that one simple rule (the Golden Rule), you must pay a severe consequence". I think you might benefit from some anger management counseling. "Don" wrote in message ... What the **** is it with you John? What the hell difference does it make if Doug agrees with me? Don't you have a brain of your own? Don't you have a backbone? We're not talking rocket surgery here, just very simple basics. Most kids are taught these things at about age 5, how old are you? Here, I'll spell it out for you: *Treat other people as you want to be treated.* There, is that simple enough? If you abuse that one simple rule of humanity you may pay a severe consequence. Don't let your dog **** in my yard, don't paintball my house, don't fondle my daughter, etc. In turn I won't do those things to you. Does any of this make sense to you? "John Smith" wrote in message news:Fw0ic.5465$cF6.293888@attbi_s04... Doug, So you do agree with Don that a person who allows a dog to crap on your lawn, is the same thing as your neighbor coming over to your house and sexually molesting your daughter? Do you also agree with Don, that the law requires you to shot the person in the face if their dog craps in your lawn? "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:Cd%hc.16820$GR.2456214@attbi_s01... Don, I am having a hard time following this conversation, but from what I can tell you are saying that a dog taking a crap on your lawn is the same as being a child molester. Did I miss something? This is simple, John. Based on actual experience: I'm working in the garden. I have 3 neighbors with little target dogs, like dachshunds. I cut my lawn correctly in the summer, which means 3-4". The target dogs' turds are small enough to fall beneath the level of the grass. I step in it. I'm preoccupied with gardening. I am entitled to focus only on the thing I enjoy, rather than having to watch every step I take. I step in the turds, and run into the house for a drink of water, and maybe to use the bathroom. Now, there's turd on my carpet. I have to stop what I'm doing and rent a rug shampooer. Not only does the machine cost money, but the dog owner has stolen 3-4 hours of my precious time. If I apply my working rate to my weekend hours, that time is worth between $500 and $10,000.00. The dog owner has stolen that from me. Get it? Stealing. Why? So the dog owner can keep his fat ass on the sofa watching football, rather than tie the dog up in his own backyard and clean the turds out of his damned lawn. Calling the dog catcher a dozen times achieved nothing. "Duh...I have to actually witness the dog running loose before I can do anything about it". This is why one dog on my street actually vanished about 15 years ago. Sort of like Jimmy Hoffa. My property, my garden, my time, my money. No different than if you did a gorgeous job of painting your house and I came along with a painball gun and redecorated it for you. Get it? Same exact thing. |
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