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Doug Kanter April 22nd 04 04:56 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...

Some people bitch a bit too much. Learn to cut some slack and deal
with it.


We both know why you jumped into THIS particular discussion, don't we, Dave?
:-)



Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 04:57 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Charles" wrote in message
...


When you are a victim, you'll admit to enjoying swift justice.



You must think we're idiots. You're no average citizen. You're a ticking
time bomb and when you explode the newspaper will quote neighbors
wringing their hands and saying, 'We had no idea'.

In many threads you have advocated violent actions against people or
animals you believe to have violated your personal space or rights.

Keep back-pedalling though.

-- Charlie


I advocate personal responsibility, which means people receive the
documented legal consequences for their actions. You believe this too. I'm
sure you've whined about certain types of criminals who are paroled too soon
(or at all), or plea bargain their ways into sentences that are way too
short.


What about YOUR "personal responsibility" to assist other boaters in an
emergency if you can?

And that's ALL boaters that I am talking about. INCLUDING those on your
**** list and who may have ****ed you off.

You know nothing about personal responsibility. According to your Charles
Bronson like rhetoric, you are sadly lacking in that department.

Anybody that would advocate violent action against helpless and innocent
animals is one sick puppy.

Stay off the water, you don't belong in a boat.




Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 04:59 PM

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would youboard someone else's boat??
 
In article , Charles wrote:

Henry Blackmoore wrote:

In article , "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

I'd write down the name & reg numbers of boats like that, for two reasons.
First, report him to the marina's manager. Second, if you ever run across
that same boat in an emergency, you can ignore its owner's calls for help,
and do whatever you can to make his boat sink, burn or crash upon the rocks
more quickly. There's an entire class of people who simply don't deserve to
continue their existence.


You would ignore somebody in an emergency over petty-ass bull**** and help
their boat sink, burn or crash? Really?



Ya, here again we have an example of the tolerance and humanity of liberalism.

Reminds me of krause wishing a bus would run over a NG poster he didn't
like so he could watch it happen.


Yeah, Krause really likes buses don't he? Especially school one's.


-- Charlie


Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 05:00 PM

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Charles" wrote in message
...


Henry Blackmoore wrote:

In article , "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

I'd write down the name & reg numbers of boats like that, for two

reasons.
First, report him to the marina's manager. Second, if you ever run

across
that same boat in an emergency, you can ignore its owner's calls for

help,
and do whatever you can to make his boat sink, burn or crash upon the

rocks
more quickly. There's an entire class of people who simply don't

deserve to
continue their existence.

You would ignore somebody in an emergency over petty-ass bull**** and

help
their boat sink, burn or crash? Really?



Ya, here again we have an example of the tolerance and humanity of

liberalism.

If you see a cat about to pounce on a bird, do you go out of your way to
stop the event?


Should morning medications be taken with an empty or a full stomach?



Doug Kanter April 22nd 04 05:08 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
ink.net...

Anybody that would advocate violent action against helpless and innocent
animals is one sick puppy.


Actually, it's legally permitted, performed and tested in the courts on a
fairly regular basis. In many places, including what you'd consider "normal
suburbs", animals which damage food crops may be killed as long as the
method does not endanger neighbors or violate weapons laws. You really ought
to think before you hurl, boy.



Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 05:23 PM

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Charles" wrote in message
...


You would ignore somebody in an emergency over petty-ass bull****

and
help
their boat sink, burn or crash? Really?


Ya, here again we have an example of the tolerance and humanity of
liberalism.

If you see a cat about to pounce on a bird, do you go out of your way to
stop the event?



Firstly, I don't equate human life with animal life as you have done by
your asking this assine question.


"assine" ???


Secondly, I take no pleasure in the imminent death or suffering of
another human being (or animal), as it appears you do, simply because
they have in done nothing more than **** me off with noise.


Turn this around. Do you personally suffer if you're watching a nature show
on TV which shows lions eating gazelle, or owls & hawks eating rodents?


You're a selfish and tightly wound individual, Douggie. Keep it up and
you'll certainly cross the line from using the law for your vengeance to

vigilante.

Turn this around: Your neighbor's driveway is right next to your bedroom
window. It's winter. His muffler goes bad. He goes to work 3 hours before
you need to wake up, and likes to warm up his car for 20 minutes. So,
instead of waking up at 6:30, your normal time, his noise is waking you up
at 3:30. You figure most people might not find the time to get their muffler
fixed right away, so you let it go for a week, maybe two. You ask him
politely when he's getting it fixed, because you're getting sleep deprived.
He says "Hey...maybe next week. Sounds cool, though, eh?"

Another month goes by. Somehow, the cops haven't ticketed him yet. You ask
him again when he's getting it fixed. He says "That's none of your damned
business. Kiss my ass".

What do you do? By "you", I mean YOU PERSONALLY, not "people in general".


Whatever he does I am sure that it wouldn't involve watching his neighbor and
his family burn helplessly (and add to the fire) in the event of a house fire
you sick ****.

Get this, you are not the only person who has had irritating neighbors that
cross the lines of civility and decency. Just about all of us has suffered
from this at one time or another. Such is the nature of life and of humans.

However, most of us being human ourselves have occasionally (not always
knowingly) trespassed on others. It works two ways.

I sincerely doubt that you are perfect Doug (although it appears that you
fancy yourself to be).

And even if you are perfect in these regards (respecting neighborhood
covenants, common sense etc.) then it doesn't give you carte'blanche
to be some kind of vigilante monster.

Because then Doug, you lose your title to being "human". You become
no better than being an animal.

Being anal-retentive and relentless in expecting others to live up to your
expectations and time tables is not the answer.

Learn to roll with the flow and lighten up a little. Things have a way
of resolving themselves on their own.

And next time buy a ****ing house out in the country smack-dab
in the middle of some acreage will ya? What in the hell is somebody
of your disposition doing living in a house in the burbs with their
bedroom window overlooking the neighbors driveway?

Sheesh




Doug Kanter April 22nd 04 05:31 PM

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would you board someone else's boat??
 
"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
ink.net...


Turn this around: Your neighbor's driveway is right next to your bedroom
window. It's winter. His muffler goes bad. He goes to work 3 hours before
you need to wake up, and likes to warm up his car for 20 minutes. So,
instead of waking up at 6:30, your normal time, his noise is waking you

up
at 3:30. You figure most people might not find the time to get their

muffler
fixed right away, so you let it go for a week, maybe two. You ask him
politely when he's getting it fixed, because you're getting sleep

deprived.
He says "Hey...maybe next week. Sounds cool, though, eh?"

Another month goes by. Somehow, the cops haven't ticketed him yet. You

ask
him again when he's getting it fixed. He says "That's none of your damned
business. Kiss my ass".

What do you do? By "you", I mean YOU PERSONALLY, not "people in general".


Whatever he does I am sure that it wouldn't involve watching his neighbor

and
his family burn helplessly (and add to the fire) in the event of a house

fire
you sick ****.


Sorry, Harry. I must've used too many big words. Your neighbor's muffler has
nothing to do with boats. What do you personally do in the muffler
situation? Be very specific.s



Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 05:31 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , "Don White" wrote:

Henry Blackmoore wrote in message
ink.net...

I picked my current property and house carefully. I don't have neighbors
except for on one side. After a few "anal" types in my previous

experience
I wanted to minimize any chances for that occuring again.

Sheesh.

Having normal neighbours around could interfer with your antics, eh?


I have never had "normal" neighbors. God has chosen to test me
constantly through life. Besides define "normal"?

Read my post on my old African neighbors and their "antics".

Actually sometimes I miss my old neighborhood. The new one
that I live in is too quiet. Nothing much exciting ever happens.

The one house that is next to me is empty. My neighbor there
went bankrupt along with his car dealership. So the house is
going to be up for auction soon. Want to bid on it? You would
make a might fine neighbor Don in spite of all of your political
shortcomings. I have a key to the house if you wish to look
inside before the auction.

My Dachshunds need somebody new to bark at.

LOL




Dave Hall April 22nd 04 05:32 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:56:38 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

Some people bitch a bit too much. Learn to cut some slack and deal
with it.


We both know why you jumped into THIS particular discussion, don't we, Dave?
:-)


No, why don't you tell us?

Dave

Doug Kanter April 22nd 04 05:35 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
ink.net...


My Dachshunds need somebody new to bark at.


Ah HA! No wonder you're so obsessed about people who know the correct way to
manage dogs! You own one of the worst kind - the kind sometimes known as
"BBQ candidates".



Doug Kanter April 22nd 04 05:45 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 15:56:38 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

Some people bitch a bit too much. Learn to cut some slack and deal
with it.


We both know why you jumped into THIS particular discussion, don't we,

Dave?
:-)


No, why don't you tell us?

Dave


No, Dave. It's not my job to help you with these things.



Doug Kanter April 22nd 04 05:53 PM

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would you board someone else's boat??
 
"Bob D." wrote in message
...

Turn this around: Your neighbor's driveway is right next to your bedroom
window. It's winter. His muffler goes bad. He goes to work 3 hours

before
you need to wake up, and likes to warm up his car for 20 minutes. So,
instead of waking up at 6:30, your normal time, his noise is waking you

up
at 3:30. You figure most people might not find the time to get their

muffler
fixed right away, so you let it go for a week, maybe two. You ask him
politely when he's getting it fixed, because you're getting sleep

deprived.
He says "Hey...maybe next week. Sounds cool, though, eh?"

Another month goes by. Somehow, the cops haven't ticketed him yet. You

ask
him again when he's getting it fixed. He says "That's none of your

damned
business. Kiss my ass".

What do you do? By "you", I mean YOU PERSONALLY, not "people in

general".

This actually happened to me! First of all I live in a duplex in an older
neighborhood where the houses are less than fifteen feet away from each
other with a driveway within that space. The older kid next door had a
two cycle Suzuki motorcycle. From early spring until late fall when it
wasn't raining, he'd walk the motorcycle out of the garage at 6:30am (1.5
hours before I rise) and start it up. Since it would stall in gear if it
wasn't warmed up, he spent five minutes reving the throttle. Since it was
in the driveway between houses, it amplified the sound.

When I finally saw his parents in their yard, I mentioned the problem and
asked if he could walk the bike the extra forty feet, so it was in the
front yard and not between houses. In addition I asked he let the bike
idle warm instead of reving the throttle. They apologized for the problem
and directed their son as I suggested. While you could still hear the
sound, it no longer startled you awake.

By contrast, I have a beater Geo Tracker with a loud exhaust. The car has
almost 180,000 miles, so I have no plans to pour money into this car.
When I use this car, in an effort to be considerate, I start the car and
leave immediately. If I get home after 10pm, I either park on a side
street and walk to my door, or shut my engine off and coast up the
driveway. If someone came to me with this car as a problem, I'd give them
due consideration, patching the exhaust, parking on the street, or dumping
the car.

I think the point alot of people are missing is you have a small minority
of people who behave without regard for anyone around them. When they are
confronted by others being impacted by their lack of consideration, who
try to reason with them in hopes of working out your differences, they
either still don't give a ****, or worse, get outraged towards the person
they've impacted for not "letting things slide".

I don't agree with Doug's specific comments about ignoring distress calls,
or watching a boat burn, but then again, I'm not taking what he says
literally as much reading in stating two underlying points:

1. It takes so little effort and time to show consideration for other
people.

2. You can't go through life not giving a **** about the people around

you,
while carrying expectations that everyone should give a **** about

you.

When people forget or ignore these simple truisms, which IMHO are needed
for society to function, all bets are off. Forget them and antagonize
someone who is having a bad day, and bad things can happen. When bad
things do happen to the social offender, while the punishment might not
fit the crime, I have a hard time considering them to be the victim, so in
an effort to avoid these "bad things" I would suggest:

3. Never assume somone's inconsideration towards you is a deliberate

act.

I personally will act with goodwill and assume the person committing their
offense to me is goodhearted but oblivious as to their actions. As such,
I will ignore it if it is the first time the offense occurred with that
party, if the action could be deemed as non-deliberate, AND the action
doesn't persist for a great deal of time. If those criteria are not met,
I will tactfully talk with them in hopes of reaching a solution.
Sometimes the solution consists only of hearing a reasonable explanation
as to why the offending behavior is occuring.

Should these steps fail, I'm moving further into Doug's camp. Oh I won't
ignore that distress call or refuse to help save their boat, but when I
help them, I'll be reminding them who I was and how they offended me,
smiling, knowing there's a little divine justice in my small corner of the
world. In addition, should they continue their actions, I'll do whatever
is necessary to lessen their action's impact upon me, stop their actions,
or teach them consideration, regardless of the consequences, as I have
absolutely no desire to live in a world where inconsideration for others
becomes an acceptable behavior.

In the case Doug presented, should I go through all the actions he
described: Tolerance, communication, inaction from the authorities, then
being told to screw myself. It will come down to three choices for the
inconsidrate *******. Fix your exhaust. Compromise with me and learn to
leave quickly and get use to being a little less comfortable on your drive
to work in the winter, or be alot less comfortable changing tires in that
same winter climate.

For those who think "rubbing their nose in their own mess" is wrong for
dogs or people, I've trained several dogs, and many people (when I had
to) that way, and they seemed to learn the intended lesson just fine. For
those who spout asserting my beliefs will eventually lead me to be
victimized by a CCW, it is noted. But then again, I may have a CCW too
and *I might* just be a quicker and better shot than the inconsiderate
******* I'm trying to reason with, so I hope any inconsiderate *******s
take note as well :^)

Bob D.


Oh boy. Henry's gonna LOVE this.



Charles April 22nd 04 06:06 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 


Doug Kanter wrote:

"Charles" wrote in message
...


When you are a victim, you'll admit to enjoying swift justice.



You must think we're idiots. You're no average citizen. You're a ticking
time bomb and when you explode the newspaper will quote neighbors
wringing their hands and saying, 'We had no idea'.

In many threads you have advocated violent actions against people or
animals you believe to have violated your personal space or rights.

Keep back-pedalling though.

-- Charlie


I advocate personal responsibility, which means people receive the
documented legal consequences for their actions. You believe this too. I'm
sure you've whined about certain types of criminals who are paroled too soon
(or at all), or plea bargain their ways into sentences that are way too
short.


Keep back-pedalling. It might be helpful in backing away from that line.

-- Charlie

Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 06:17 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , Harry Krause wrote:

Don White wrote:

Henry Blackmoore wrote in message
nk.net...

I picked my current property and house carefully. I don't have neighbors
except for on one side. After a few "anal" types in my previous


experience

I wanted to minimize any chances for that occuring again.

Sheesh.


Having normal neighbours around could interfer with your antics, eh?





Henry's former neighbors objected to his shooting his guns at anything
that cast a shadow on his lawn.


LoL, actually I have a police officer neighbor a few door away that shoots
snakes in his yard. He is deathly afraid of snakes and his house backs
up to a bayou.

We have 8 foot brick walls around our yards here and the echo/amplification
effect is very disconcerting early in the morning.

Normal citizens can't get away with that kind of behavior. I have snakes
in my yard too but most of them are benign. I choose to use a shovel
to dispatch anything that is poisonous such as the 4-foot copperhead
my Dachshunds alerted to recently.

I had a rattlesnake under my truck when I first moved in. Rattlers are
not as common around these parts and are usually found closer to the
coast. He attacked my truck tire and tried to bite it a couple of times.
I ran over it backing out of the driveway and it slithered off.

I gave my police officer neighbor some .22 shot shells for Christmas.
Less chance of richochet.

As far as guns and shooting go though, there was a lot of more of that
sort of thing going on when I had to work and live in Detroit years ago.








Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 06:17 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:

Henry Blackmoore wrote in message
nk.net...

I picked my current property and house carefully. I don't have

neighbors
except for on one side. After a few "anal" types in my previous

experience

I wanted to minimize any chances for that occuring again.

Sheesh.


Having normal neighbours around could interfer with your antics, eh?





Henry's former neighbors objected to his shooting his guns at anything
that cast a shadow on his lawn.


Henry thinks *I'm* the type who does that! Interesting range of
interpretations in this thread. :-)


Actually just blatant Texas stereotyping...



Charles April 22nd 04 06:29 PM

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would youboard someone else's boat??
 


Doug Kanter wrote:

"Charles" wrote in message
...


You would ignore somebody in an emergency over petty-ass bull****

and
help
their boat sink, burn or crash? Really?


Ya, here again we have an example of the tolerance and humanity of
liberalism.

If you see a cat about to pounce on a bird, do you go out of your way to
stop the event?



Firstly, I don't equate human life with animal life as you have done by
your asking this assine question.


"assine" ???

Secondly, I take no pleasure in the imminent death or suffering of
another human being (or animal), as it appears you do, simply because
they have in done nothing more than **** me off with noise.


Turn this around. Do you personally suffer if you're watching a nature show
on TV which shows lions eating gazelle, or owls & hawks eating rodents?


I don't know why we have to keep turning things around. I take no
pleasure in the imminent death or suffering of another human being (or animal).

That statement is unambiguous.

You believe it is appropriate to take pleasure in the suffering or death
of a human or animal if they have done something which has offended you.
You have expressed your position of withholding help from an individual
in a life threatening situation because that person previously offended
you. Obviously, you derive some self satisfaction, some vengeance by
seeing that person suffer and possibly die.


You're a selfish and tightly wound individual, Douggie. Keep it up and
you'll certainly cross the line from using the law for your vengeance to

vigilante.

Turn this around: Your neighbor's driveway is right next to your bedroom
window. It's winter. His muffler goes bad. He goes to work 3 hours before
you need to wake up, and likes to warm up his car for 20 minutes. So,
instead of waking up at 6:30, your normal time, his noise is waking you up
at 3:30. You figure most people might not find the time to get their muffler
fixed right away, so you let it go for a week, maybe two. You ask him
politely when he's getting it fixed, because you're getting sleep deprived.
He says "Hey...maybe next week. Sounds cool, though, eh?"

Another month goes by. Somehow, the cops haven't ticketed him yet. You ask
him again when he's getting it fixed. He says "That's none of your damned
business. Kiss my ass".

What do you do? By "you", I mean YOU PERSONALLY, not "people in general".


What comes through loud and clear in your posts is that you are an
intolerant individual who has expressed both aggressive actions and
inaction towards fellow-humans in dire need of help, simply because they
have angered you by their careless or rude actions.

I lived next door to a neighbor-from-hell for 9 1/2 years. Never ever
did I wish the man dead or withhold help from him.

You (and krause) are a poster-boys for the oft repeated liberal lie
about caring for your fellow man.

-- Charlie

Doug Kanter April 22nd 04 06:47 PM

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would you board someone else's boat??
 
"Charles" wrote in message
...

Turn this around. Do you personally suffer if you're watching a nature

show
on TV which shows lions eating gazelle, or owls & hawks eating rodents?


I don't know why we have to keep turning things around. I take no
pleasure in the imminent death or suffering of another human being (or

animal).

That statement is unambiguous.

You believe it is appropriate to take pleasure in the suffering or death
of a human or animal if they have done something which has offended you.
You have expressed your position of withholding help from an individual
in a life threatening situation because that person previously offended
you. Obviously, you derive some self satisfaction, some vengeance by
seeing that person suffer and possibly die.


I take no pleasure in seeing animals killed & eaten. It just is the way it
is. And, I don't go gunning for people who've offended me. But, at some
point, people *do* get swept into the evolutionary continuum, which
basically says that if you make mistakes, **** happens to you and you don't
get to pass along your genetic material. If you **** off 100 boaters in a
marina constantly for a long period of time, those boaters may do nothing
when you're not there and your boat begins sinking. If you create a
situation with one highly probable outcome, and that turns out to be the
outcome, you have no right to wonder why you got the thing you designed.



I lived next door to a neighbor-from-hell for 9 1/2 years. Never ever
did I wish the man dead or withhold help from him.


I see where your anger comes from. You were a patsy for 9-1/2 years and you
feel bitter about it. I'm not suggesting that you should've killed your
neighbor. But, there are ways to begin and end a legal process so fast that
the neighbor doesn't have time to even think about it. If you didn't have
the balls for that, it's YOUR problem.



Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 06:56 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
link.net...

Anybody that would advocate violent action against helpless and innocent
animals is one sick puppy.


Actually, it's legally permitted, performed and tested in the courts on a
fairly regular basis. In many places, including what you'd consider "normal
suburbs", animals which damage food crops may be killed as long as the
method does not endanger neighbors or violate weapons laws. You really ought
to think before you hurl, boy.


Uh-huh. And you think that somebody's garden comes under the "food crop"
definition and that you have the right to kill your neighbor's pets for a
damaged tomato plant?

I repeat. You are one sick puppy.




Doug Kanter April 22nd 04 07:06 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
ink.net...
In article , "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
link.net...

Anybody that would advocate violent action against helpless and

innocent
animals is one sick puppy.


Actually, it's legally permitted, performed and tested in the courts on a
fairly regular basis. In many places, including what you'd consider

"normal
suburbs", animals which damage food crops may be killed as long as the
method does not endanger neighbors or violate weapons laws. You really

ought
to think before you hurl, boy.


Uh-huh. And you think that somebody's garden comes under the "food crop"
definition and that you have the right to kill your neighbor's pets for a
damaged tomato plant?

I repeat. You are one sick puppy.


Actually, Henry, a garden *does* fall under that definition. These laws were
almost eliminated as farms began to vanish, but in many places, they were
kept intact because of the victory garden movement during World War II. The
current legal argument is that flowers have no intrinsic value unless
they're raised by a commercial grower. But, food *does* have value to anyone
who grows it. Therefore, any food garden is defined as a farm.

Sorry to burst your bubble.....



DSK April 22nd 04 07:27 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
Doug Kanter wrote:
I advocate personal responsibility, which means people receive the
documented legal consequences for their actions. You believe this too.


But Doug, they don't really believe in personaly responsibility at all.
Nor to they want to see everyone (especially not their Beloved Anointed
Leader) held accountable. To them, it's just empty words intended to
bludgeon those damn libby-rulls.



... I'm
sure you've whined about certain types of criminals who are paroled too soon
(or at all), or plea bargain their ways into sentences that are way too
short.


Only if those criminals were undeserving minorities.

BTW with regard to the muffler situation, sugar in the gas tank is a
guaranteed way to fix a noisy muffler.

DSK


Doug Kanter April 22nd 04 07:31 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Doug Kanter wrote:
I advocate personal responsibility, which means people receive the
documented legal consequences for their actions. You believe this too.


But Doug, they don't really believe in personaly responsibility at all.
Nor to they want to see everyone (especially not their Beloved Anointed
Leader) held accountable. To them, it's just empty words intended to
bludgeon those damn libby-rulls.



... I'm
sure you've whined about certain types of criminals who are paroled too

soon
(or at all), or plea bargain their ways into sentences that are way too
short.


Only if those criminals were undeserving minorities.

BTW with regard to the muffler situation, sugar in the gas tank is a
guaranteed way to fix a noisy muffler.


Evil vigilante! :-)



Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 07:35 PM

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , (Bob D.) wrote:

I don't agree with Doug's specific comments about ignoring distress calls,
or watching a boat burn, but then again, I'm not taking what he says
literally as much reading in stating two underlying points:


Why not take them literally? He means them literally and he even says so.

1. It takes so little effort and time to show consideration for other
people.

2. You can't go through life not giving a **** about the people around you,
while carrying expectations that everyone should give a **** about you.

When people forget or ignore these simple truisms, which IMHO are needed
for society to function, all bets are off. Forget them and antagonize
someone who is having a bad day, and bad things can happen. When bad
things do happen to the social offender, while the punishment might not
fit the crime, I have a hard time considering them to be the victim, so in
an effort to avoid these "bad things" I would suggest:

3. Never assume somone's inconsideration towards you is a deliberate act.

I personally will act with goodwill and assume the person committing their
offense to me is goodhearted but oblivious as to their actions. As such,
I will ignore it if it is the first time the offense occurred with that
party, if the action could be deemed as non-deliberate, AND the action
doesn't persist for a great deal of time. If those criteria are not met,
I will tactfully talk with them in hopes of reaching a solution.
Sometimes the solution consists only of hearing a reasonable explanation
as to why the offending behavior is occuring.

Should these steps fail, I'm moving further into Doug's camp.


Doug is a mentally unstable vigilante type. You are of that persuasion too?


Oh I won't
ignore that distress call or refuse to help save their boat, but when I
help them, I'll be reminding them who I was and how they offended me,


So somebody is drowning and their boat sinking and you will be bringing
up petty ass bull**** and rubbing it in while you are helping to rescue them?
Maybe you are in Doug's "camp" after all?

smiling, knowing there's a little divine justice in my small corner of the
world. In addition, should they continue their actions, I'll do whatever
is necessary to lessen their action's impact upon me, stop their actions,
or teach them consideration, regardless of the consequences, as I have
absolutely no desire to live in a world where inconsideration for others
becomes an acceptable behavior.


So you in effect are using "inconsideration for others" to fight
inconsideration for others and damn any laws? Your perceived
standards of acceptable behavior becomes the basis for your anti-social
and unacceptable (acceptable to you) behavior towards others. That is
pretty deep. Have you sought help for this yet?



In the case Doug presented, should I go through all the actions he
described: Tolerance, communication, inaction from the authorities, then
being told to screw myself. It will come down to three choices for the
inconsidrate *******. Fix your exhaust. Compromise with me and learn to
leave quickly and get use to being a little less comfortable on your drive
to work in the winter, or be alot less comfortable changing tires in that
same winter climate.


Are you a Dougie sock puppet?


For those who think "rubbing their nose in their own mess" is wrong for
dogs or people, I've trained several dogs, and many people (when I had
to) that way, and they seemed to learn the intended lesson just fine.


Dogs have very short attention spans. You have to catch them in the act to
correct any errant behavior. The only thing that they will learn by rubbing
their noses in their own **** is that want him to eat feces. The dog will
also learn to be afraid of you and also to be afraid of eliminating in
your presence. Only an ignorant lout would train a dog the way you have
described. Do you advocate hitting your dogs too?

With your abhorrent dog-training skills I shudder to think about your ability
to handle & deal with people.


For
those who spout asserting my beliefs will eventually lead me to be
victimized by a CCW, it is noted. But then again, I may have a CCW too
and *I might* just be a quicker and better shot than the inconsiderate
******* I'm trying to reason with, so I hope any inconsiderate *******s
take note as well :^)


CCW or not. If you insist on acting out on your vigilante fantasies one
day the pigeons will come home to roost. One reaps what they sow
in life.


Bob D.


Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 07:35 PM

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

those who spout asserting my beliefs will eventually lead me to be
victimized by a CCW, it is noted. But then again, I may have a CCW too
and *I might* just be a quicker and better shot than the inconsiderate
******* I'm trying to reason with, so I hope any inconsiderate *******s
take note as well :^)

Bob D.


Oh boy. Henry's gonna LOVE this.


What, your sock-puppet?



Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 07:37 PM

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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Turn this around: Your neighbor's driveway is right next to your bedroom
window. It's winter. His muffler goes bad. He goes to work 3 hours before
you need to wake up, and likes to warm up his car for 20 minutes. So,
instead of waking up at 6:30, your normal time, his noise is waking you

up
at 3:30. You figure most people might not find the time to get their

muffler
fixed right away, so you let it go for a week, maybe two. You ask him
politely when he's getting it fixed, because you're getting sleep

deprived.
He says "Hey...maybe next week. Sounds cool, though, eh?"

Another month goes by. Somehow, the cops haven't ticketed him yet. You

ask
him again when he's getting it fixed. He says "That's none of your damned
business. Kiss my ass".

What do you do? By "you", I mean YOU PERSONALLY, not "people in general".


Whatever he does I am sure that it wouldn't involve watching his neighbor

and
his family burn helplessly (and add to the fire) in the event of a house

fire
you sick ****.


Sorry, Harry. I must've used too many big words. Your neighbor's muffler has
nothing to do with boats. What do you personally do in the muffler
situation? Be very specific.s


I didn't know that Harry Krause was in on this thread?

Yes, Harry. Tell us what you would do. That should be interesting.




Doug Kanter April 22nd 04 07:40 PM

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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In article , "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

those who spout asserting my beliefs will eventually lead me to be
victimized by a CCW, it is noted. But then again, I may have a CCW too
and *I might* just be a quicker and better shot than the

inconsiderate
******* I'm trying to reason with, so I hope any inconsiderate *******s
take note as well :^)

Bob D.


Oh boy. Henry's gonna LOVE this.


What, your sock-puppet?



You're my sock puppet now?



Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 07:41 PM

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would youboard someone else's boat??
 
In article , Charles wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Charles" wrote in message


intolerant individual who has expressed both aggressive actions and
inaction towards fellow-humans in dire need of help, simply because they
have angered you by their careless or rude actions.

I lived next door to a neighbor-from-hell for 9 1/2 years. Never ever
did I wish the man dead or withhold help from him.

You (and krause) are a poster-boys for the oft repeated liberal lie
about caring for your fellow man.

-- Charlie


Practice random acts of kindness and senseless acts of beauty....

Doug Kanter April 22nd 04 07:42 PM

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"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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One reaps what they sow
in life.


That's what I've been saying for the past three days, dummy. But, you only
like that phrase when it suits YOUR purpose. When I suggest that lousy
neighbors should expect consequences, you get all flustered. :-)



Doug Kanter April 22nd 04 07:43 PM

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"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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Sorry, Harry. I must've used too many big words. Your neighbor's muffler

has
nothing to do with boats. What do you personally do in the muffler
situation? Be very specific.s


I didn't know that Harry Krause was in on this thread?

Yes, Harry. Tell us what you would do. That should be interesting.


Stop being childish. You know that was a typo. What would YOU do in the
aforementioned muffler situation?



Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 07:52 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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My Dachshunds need somebody new to bark at.


Ah HA! No wonder you're so obsessed about people who know the correct way to
manage dogs! You own one of the worst kind - the kind sometimes known as
"BBQ candidates".


I also own an Australian Cattle dog. And when any of them do wrong, I don't
even have to raise my voice. I just admonish them in a certain tone and they
tow the line. They will do anything to have me praise them. I can't even
get upset around them about anything as they will do their best to love me
into relaxing and staying calm. They are the ultimate chill pills.

There are no "worst kinds" when it comes to dogs.

And telling off an idiot (sock-puppet of yours?) who rub their dog's noses
in their own **** in a misguided attempt to "train" them certainly does not
constitute being "obsessed"? Does it Dougie?

Have any human children Dougie? Did you rub your son and/or daughter's
noses in their own feces to potty-train them? I shudder to think. Oh I know
I know! Human children are not dogs and one has to train them "the correct
way" using a different tact eh?






Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 08:12 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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In article , "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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Anybody that would advocate violent action against helpless and

innocent
animals is one sick puppy.

Actually, it's legally permitted, performed and tested in the courts on a
fairly regular basis. In many places, including what you'd consider

"normal
suburbs", animals which damage food crops may be killed as long as the
method does not endanger neighbors or violate weapons laws. You really

ought
to think before you hurl, boy.


Uh-huh. And you think that somebody's garden comes under the "food crop"
definition and that you have the right to kill your neighbor's pets for a
damaged tomato plant?

I repeat. You are one sick puppy.


Actually, Henry, a garden *does* fall under that definition. These laws were
almost eliminated as farms began to vanish, but in many places, they were
kept intact because of the victory garden movement during World War II. The
current legal argument is that flowers have no intrinsic value unless
they're raised by a commercial grower. But, food *does* have value to anyone
who grows it. Therefore, any food garden is defined as a farm.

Sorry to burst your bubble.....


Show me where the laws in a suburban area in this country have been
interpreted to allow a homeowner to hide under the guise of growing "food
crops" while killing his neighbors dog or cats? Garden be damned.

You are twisted.

Like Charles says -"keep back--pedaling".








Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 08:15 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , DSK wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
I advocate personal responsibility, which means people receive the
documented legal consequences for their actions. You believe this too.


But Doug, they don't really believe in personaly responsibility at all.
Nor to they want to see everyone (especially not their Beloved Anointed
Leader) held accountable. To them, it's just empty words intended to
bludgeon those damn libby-rulls.



... I'm
sure you've whined about certain types of criminals who are paroled too soon
(or at all), or plea bargain their ways into sentences that are way too
short.


Only if those criminals were undeserving minorities.

BTW with regard to the muffler situation, sugar in the gas tank is a
guaranteed way to fix a noisy muffler.


Another doug sock-puppet?

Maybe Harry can resurrect old 'Creaky' and basskisser can revive his
and y'all can have a big shindig in here?

DSK


Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 08:15 PM

When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
I advocate personal responsibility, which means people receive the
documented legal consequences for their actions. You believe this too.


But Doug, they don't really believe in personaly responsibility at all.
Nor to they want to see everyone (especially not their Beloved Anointed
Leader) held accountable. To them, it's just empty words intended to
bludgeon those damn libby-rulls.



... I'm
sure you've whined about certain types of criminals who are paroled too

soon
(or at all), or plea bargain their ways into sentences that are way too
short.


Only if those criminals were undeserving minorities.

BTW with regard to the muffler situation, sugar in the gas tank is a
guaranteed way to fix a noisy muffler.


Evil vigilante! :-)


Talking to yourself twisty?




Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 08:18 PM

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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In article , "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

those who spout asserting my beliefs will eventually lead me to be
victimized by a CCW, it is noted. But then again, I may have a CCW too
and *I might* just be a quicker and better shot than the

inconsiderate
******* I'm trying to reason with, so I hope any inconsiderate *******s
take note as well :^)

Bob D.

Oh boy. Henry's gonna LOVE this.


What, your sock-puppet?



You're my sock puppet now?


No.

But you were implying that I would love your boy "Bob D".



Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 08:19 PM

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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One reaps what they sow
in life.


That's what I've been saying for the past three days, dummy. But, you only
like that phrase when it suits YOUR purpose. When I suggest that lousy
neighbors should expect consequences, you get all flustered. :-)


How many gas tanks have you sugared in your lifetime Dougster?



Doug Kanter April 22nd 04 08:22 PM

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"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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Actually, Henry, a garden *does* fall under that definition. These laws

were
almost eliminated as farms began to vanish, but in many places, they were
kept intact because of the victory garden movement during World War II.

The
current legal argument is that flowers have no intrinsic value unless
they're raised by a commercial grower. But, food *does* have value to

anyone
who grows it. Therefore, any food garden is defined as a farm.

Sorry to burst your bubble.....


Show me where the laws in a suburban area in this country have been
interpreted to allow a homeowner to hide under the guise of growing "food
crops" while killing his neighbors dog or cats? Garden be damned.

You are twisted.

Like Charles says -"keep back--pedaling".


Call your town hall and ask. So far, it's been the case in 2 out of 3 towns
in which I've lived. While we're discussing this, answer the following:

How big does a food garden need to be in order to be considered a farm, in
your opinion?

I won't hold my breath. Thus far, you've been too much of a pussy to answer
the muffler question, because you'd have to reveal that you'd do exactly
what I would: Lean on the local law enforcement authorities until they
rained hell on the guy and made his life miserable.



Doug Kanter April 22nd 04 08:25 PM

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"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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In article , "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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In article , "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

those who spout asserting my beliefs will eventually lead me to be
victimized by a CCW, it is noted. But then again, I may have a CCW

too
and *I might* just be a quicker and better shot than the

inconsiderate
******* I'm trying to reason with, so I hope any inconsiderate

*******s
take note as well :^)

Bob D.

Oh boy. Henry's gonna LOVE this.

What, your sock-puppet?



You're my sock puppet now?


No.

But you were implying that I would love your boy "Bob D".



Sit closer, or read slower.



Henry Blackmoore April 22nd 04 08:26 PM

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would you board someone else's boat??
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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Sorry, Harry. I must've used too many big words. Your neighbor's muffler

has
nothing to do with boats. What do you personally do in the muffler
situation? Be very specific.s


I didn't know that Harry Krause was in on this thread?

Yes, Harry. Tell us what you would do. That should be interesting.


Stop being childish. You know that was a typo. What would YOU do in the
aforementioned muffler situation?


Let's just say what I wouldn't do okay? I wouldn't do anything to escalate
the situation. And I wouldnt do anything illegal or immoral. I wouldn't hate
my neighbor over it. I wouldn't overly dwell on it. I wouldn't still seeth
over it months or years later in a newsgroup. I wouldn't nag them over it.

OTOH if I saw that same neighbor broken down needing help on the side
of the road I would do it. No matter how much sleep that I lost or how
much they bothered me. I would help that person.

I spent part of my life thinking and acting like you do and then I wised up
Dougie. Life is too short to be seeing the glass half-full all of the time.

Spread random acts of kindness and senseless acts of beauty.





Doug Kanter April 22nd 04 08:27 PM

When to shoot a falre into someone elses bilge WAS: When would you board someone else's boat??
 
"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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In article , "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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One reaps what they sow
in life.


That's what I've been saying for the past three days, dummy. But, you

only
like that phrase when it suits YOUR purpose. When I suggest that lousy
neighbors should expect consequences, you get all flustered. :-)


How many gas tanks have you sugared in your lifetime Dougster?



No gas tanks, Hank.

Let's see if you can follow this logic. You reap what you sow. You said this
as if it were holy truth. But, according to your messages, a horribly
inconsiderate neighbor should be quietly tolerated. Nothing should be said
or done to make that person aware of the fact that he is making his
neighbors' lives miserable. Is that correct?

If that is correct, when does that neighbor reap what he has sown?



Doug Kanter April 22nd 04 08:35 PM

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"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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Stop being childish. You know that was a typo. What would YOU do in the
aforementioned muffler situation?


Let's just say what I wouldn't do okay? I wouldn't do anything to

escalate
the situation. And I wouldnt do anything illegal or immoral. I wouldn't

hate
my neighbor over it. I wouldn't overly dwell on it. I wouldn't still

seeth
over it months or years later in a newsgroup. I wouldn't nag them over

it.

OTOH if I saw that same neighbor broken down needing help on the side
of the road I would do it. No matter how much sleep that I lost or how
much they bothered me. I would help that person.

I spent part of my life thinking and acting like you do and then I wised

up
Dougie. Life is too short to be seeing the glass half-full all of the

time.

So, you're a patsy. I understand now.



Spread random acts of kindness and senseless acts of beauty.


I do that constantly, but with some people, it's not worth the effort. I'd
rather be cleaning the bathroom.



Charles April 22nd 04 09:01 PM

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Doug Kanter wrote:

I see where your anger comes from. You were a patsy for 9-1/2 years and you
feel bitter about it. I'm not suggesting that you should've killed your
neighbor. But, there are ways to begin and end a legal process so fast that
the neighbor doesn't have time to even think about it. If you didn't have
the balls for that, it's YOUR problem.



Nice try kanter, but your doggie doesn't hunt. Not everyone is so
tightly strung as yourself that they are compelled to avenge the
misdeeds of others against themselves.

-- Charlie


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