When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


You can also use their t-shirts as handles to escort the kids back to
their
parents and discuss the issue with them.

I would file that under #1 above. Have you had to deal with some
parents lately? I don't know about in your area, but when I was
growing up and another adult lodged a complaint about me, it was taken
as gospel truth and I was immediately and severely punished. Today, if
you go to a parent to complain about their kid, they cop a "My kid's a
angel, you must be mistaken" attitude.

My next door neighbor, in my old neighborhood, had two kids who made a
habit of migrating to my yard to play their various sports, since my
yard was clear and significantly larger. I had to shoe them away on
almost a daily basis. One day, when I came home and found them playing
yet again, I drove up on the yard with my truck and chased them, in
the hope that they'd now think I was crazy and fear to return. I also
yelled after them and I used some words which I probably shouldn't
have. But I was ****ed. That was many years ago, before I learned how
to effectively manage anger.

The next thing I know, the kids' dad comes over to give me a tongue
lashing. And, get this, he wasn't so upset that I had chased them away
with my truck. He was upset with the words that I used. When I told
him that I didn't want them on my yard, he denied that they were
there. I was floored. I asked him how was it then that I was in the
position to chase them down with my truck and shout after them if they
weren't there? Needless to say, this conversation didn't accomplish
much. In fact I would frequently catch not only the kids, but the
father joining in for games on my yard. The problem was finally solved
when I called the police and had them give him a talking to.

Maybe I should've shot them all huh? Oh, wait, that's only an option
if they are dogs right?

Dave

Why didn't you want those kids in your yard?

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:58:48 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


If someone (or many someones) makes a habit of cutting across your
lawn

shred

We're not talking about someone cutting across your yard, Dave.

How else would he get there?

Pay attention.
Answer the question directly.
Quit stalling and fidgeting, if you're capable.

You have the legal means at your disposal to address trespassing
issues. If these avenues do not solve the problem, you can only do so
much to prevent continued transgressions. Putting up a fence would
solve the problem.

Dave


In many towns, including mine, zoning laws prohibit the installation of
fences within a certain distance of the front property line. That often
leaves 1/3 to 1/2 of the front vulnerable. Then what?

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


I grow a garden for pleasure,

You don't sound like you are very happy if you constantly complain
about everyone who doesn't share your ideal view of what it means to
be a "good neighbor"

1) "everyone doesn't share", correctly defined: Neighbor says I have a nice
garden. I offer to help them if they want to create one. They say "Nah...I
don't think I have as much patience as you do". We have a beer and I send
them home with some tomatoes.

2) "everyone doesn't share", INcorrectly defined: Neighbor is informed that
their dog is damaging my garden. They do nothing to stop the problem.



Oh....and let me shut down your "build a fence" bull**** once and for
all.
During my last two years in my house, I added certain vegetables to the
front flower beds. Some vegetables are quite attractive alongside
flowers.
Our zoning laws prohibit building fences within a certain distance from
the
street. That leaves no options except to deal with the dogs in various
ways,
beginning with the legal system.

Then put your garden in a place which allows fences.

How long did it take you to look up that statute to use as yet another
excuse?

We put up a partial fence in the back so we didn't need to look at our
neighbor's rusty swing set a dirty underwear on the laundry line. Every
fence contractor we called explained the zoning law for our particular
location, in case we were thinking of taking the fence further toward the
front of the property.

Any more stupid questions?

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:40:33 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:46:30 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:



Ok, if we stick to your binary view of property, you are either on
your property or someone else's. When you leave your property, am I
to
assume that you are intending to damage someone else's property?

Don't say stupid things. We're talking about a dog, not a person.

Why not? The principle's the same.

Don't be ridiculous. I define **** on my property as damage. It's my
property, so my definition is the only one that's valid.

The law would seem to disagree with you.

Actually, the simple concept of "private property" is the basis of a whole
slew of laws. Regardless of how these laws are picked apart, only one phrase
is needed to shut down arguments: private property. This is why people can
get away with painting a house pink and putting stupid stuffed sheep and
plastic flamingoes on their front lawns.

Now you sound like a libertarian, placing property rights above
individual rights. And in many (and a growing number of) places you
CAN'T paint your house pink or put tacky lawn ornaments out.


To say that a dog intends to do damage every time he leave his lawn is
also false. A dog is a four legged anarchist. He's just doing his
thing.

I never said the dog intended to do it. I said that the owner intends for
the dog to do it.

That premise is false as it is based on the assumption that the dog
owner premeditated the act. Most dog owners do not apply that much
thought to a simple act of letting their critter out to roam. My dog
dropped immediately when it hits my grass. If it roams afterward, it's
AFTER it's done doing its business.


The owner lets the dog roam because the owner is lazy. He
doesn't want to take the time to walk the dog, and/or the owner doesn't want
to take the time to clean up dog crap in his OWN yard. So, the owner
transfers that work to other people.

But what about the many cases where the dog DOES drop in their own
yard first? Are you denying that these examples are usually the rule
and not the exception.? A dog tends to "go" where it is most
comfortable and familiar, and that usually means in his own yard.



If it was discovered that a person didn't change his baby's diaper for 3
days at a time, that person's baby would quickly be taken away by a local
child welfare agency until it could be determined just what was wrong with
the parent. You would have no problem with this.

Actually I have a big problem with CPS groups who typically overstep
their authority and make many subjective judgement calls on what it
considers "abuse". That's why so many parents are afraid to discipline
their kids out of fear that CPS will take them away. The results are
yet another generation of kids who grow up like Don.


It's the same type of
negligence being practiced by the dog owner. Some people aren't fit to be
parents or pet owners.

Doug, We've been through this. You are 100% correct. Some people
aren't cut out to be pet owners. But that fact STILL does not give you
the right to take matters into your own hands.



I still don't understand your continual reference to coprophilia. What
does this have to do with anything? Who handled dog crap?
The fact that you place a greater importance, than most people, to
normally trivial things like dog droppings, paints the picture that
YOU are the one suffering from coprophilia.

Coprophilia is the practice of handling feces for enjoyment, especially
sexual enjoyment. If your dog craps where innocent people will step in it,
chances are good that it will need to be cleaned off that person's shoes
before they can reenter their home. You feel this is not such a bad chore. I
have chosen to take it further and say that you haven't told us everything.
Not only do you find the cleaning process "not so bad", you actually enjoy
it very much. Therefore, you are practicing coprophilia.

Your logic process is well..... out to lunch. How can you reach that
conclusion based on the available facts? What should be apparent is
that I am just not as sensitive to the same trivial issues as you seem
to be.



I feel that if you want to use hand puppets 100% of the time when having sex
with your wife, that's fine by me. I don't need to know about it. You're two
consenting adults. Same with coprophilia. Keep that sort of thrill to
yourself. If I want to know more about it, I'll ask.

As far as my "suffering from coprophila", wrong. You have interpreted the
word to mean "obsessed with NOT coming into contact with feces". Check a
dictionary.

You are the one who appears to be fixated with feces. Whether it
brings you pleasure or pain, it never seems far from you mind. I would
take it further then to suggest that your fixation is the basis for
your whole problem.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:22:01 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:53:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

You have an overinflated sense of what the rest of society owes you
WRT consideration.

Dave

Really? If you had my flower garden, you were out at night enjoying the
sights and smells, and I thought it was cute to shine one of the zillion
candlepower searchlights in your face, how many days would it take before
you had an ulcer? After all, you wouldn't actually DO anything about it,
right?

Why would someone do that? You speak as if you have first hand
experience. One has to wonder why you have so many issues with
neighbors.


You come up with so many "annoyances" with relation to neighbors, I
have to wonder just what you were like to live next too. I'd love to
talk to your former neighbors. I'm sure they have some interesting
stories to tell.......

Dave


Actually, Dave, you've avoided the question. I've simply offered an example
of something you would find annoying and perhaps painful. Using this
searchlight example, what would be analogous to a fence?

Sunglasses?

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:03:34 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:53:44 -0400, "Don"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote
Nature does not include guns. Nor do animals kill for sport or
revenge. But a few weeks of rain will dissolve dog droppings.

Then you would have no problem with someone else's dogs ****ting in your
yard on a regular basis?

Personally, I don't care.

Thank you for admitting that.
Many of us won't stoop to that trailer park level.

For someone with your attitude, a trailer park would be an
improvement.


When you get to the point of being a *homeowner* rather than a renter,
you'll learn to appreciate property rights.

I am fairly confident that I've been a homeowner for longer than
you've been out of diapers.

Until then, shut the **** up.

Using your own attitude, I challenge you to make me shut up. Don't
like it? Well that's anarchy. So deal with it or STFU. You can't have
it both ways.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:52:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:23:53 -0400, DSK wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
I grasp it just fine.

In that case, when are you going to accept responsibility for your
actions?

I do, when they are truly mine.

Liar. In another message, you said that if your dog crapped while you were
walking it, you wouldn't clean it up. You wondered how you would clean it
up. "With what?", you asked. Lame excuse.

Sorry, But I'm not about to carry a bucket and shovel around with me
when I jog. In my town it's not an issue. We at least have enough
common sense out here to realize that other critters besides dogs use
the ground to "dump" on, and it makes little sense to force dog owners
to clean up after messes that wild animals are free to engage in.

..... I don't expect other people
to keep their pets off of my lawn

So, we should think the same way? OK. I want to tie your daughter to your
stairway bannister and run a video camera as I play "hide the salami" with
her rear end. I know the law frowns on that sort of thing with minors, but
based on your logic, the law is flexible, designed to be ignored based on
what feels right to each of us.

You really do hold one standard for all issues don't you. A truly one
dimensional thinker.

You are a really sick *******. I'm done with you. You'll never be
happy as long as you harbor such thoughts.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:08:34 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:23:53 -0400, DSK wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
I grasp it just fine.

In that case, when are you going to accept responsibility for your
actions?

I do, when they are truly mine.

Liar. In another message, you said that if your dog crapped while you were
walking it, you wouldn't clean it up. You wondered how you would clean it
up. "With what?", you asked. Lame excuse.

He's a lying cowardly *******, a socialist.
He thinks rules are for you and me, but not him.

Yet you are an anarchist who believes in abolishing order and rules.
What doesn't make sense here?


He deserves to be gang raped and killed.

And you deserve a lobotomy. For the protection of the rest of society.

His *type* drag the rest of us backwards.

Anarchy is hardly progressive. Hell even Harry thinks you're not
wrapped too tight. You're extreme even by my standards.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:06:46 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote
The problem with your examples are that they are extreme. I would no
more deliberately bring my dog to another property than I would
deliberately pass by another boat at close range while pre-planing.

You're full of **** and you don't own a boat, or anything of value.

Oh? I welcome you to peruse the following link to see my collection of
boats:

http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj/boatpics.htm

I accept your apology.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:42:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .


It's safe to assume, then, that you throw empty beverage containers out
of
your boat.



With what evidence do you base this "assumption"?

Dave

You allow your dog to roam and claim to not know with 100% certainty that
it's crapping on someone else's garden.

When did your hypothetical example of a careless neighbor suddenly
morph into a situation involving "my" dog? I know with 100% certainty
that my dog was not crapping on my neighbor's yard.

Most people who care so little about
their neighbors usually have a long list of things they think they can get
away with.

Like arbitrarily killing other people's pets who annoy us?

Maybe I should ask you if YOU throw your empty's overboard?


You're a regular Sigmund Freud.

In your mind anyway.

Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:46:44 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

If you get it in the treads of your boots, where do you take the boots to
clean them off? Let's assume it's a HUGE amount of ****.

Garden hose?

Ha. Talk about stepping in it.....you just did. I now live in an apartment.
The neighborhood's full of stray dogs. The hose outlet is covered by a
locked box so the entire complex doesn't have a car washing party. Where
would you suggest I clean my shoes? Kitchen sink?

Works for me.


crime has been compounded. Unfortunately, this isn't MY private property, or
I'd settle the issue.

Since it isn't your property, you have no right to complain.

Really? I used to be able to take my dog for long walks with me (on a
leash), and it never dropped anything until we returned home.

If it did stop to crap on someone's property, would you clean it up?

With what? And where would I put it? I usually walked in the street so
that if a (rare) accidental dropping would occur, it would be in the
street and not in someone's yard.

With a tool and a bag, you idiot. The street is shared property. Nobody
wants it on the sidewalks

Which is why it's in the street and not on the sidewalks.


Kids play on the sidewalks. Kids (all kids,
everywhere, throughout recorded history) put their hands near or in their
mouths. Regardless of what the law says, it's your responsibility to clean
it up within seconds of it happening. Period.

Who's responsibility is it to clean up the droppings from the Canadian
Geese, Deer, Squirrels, Chipmunks, Foxes, Wild Turkey, Rabbits,
Occasional bears, Raccoons, Possums, Various species of birds, etc? Do
kids only pick up dog poop? When you come up with a good answer for
that, then maybe I'll entertain your fantasy.


Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:05:23 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:56:39 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote
I have mixed feelings about the pool/fence thing. On the one hand,
unauthorized people have no business trespassing on your yard, and any
problems they get into should be on them. On the other hand, since
many laws are made to protect the irresponsible, they transferred the
responsibility to everyone else when they require you to prevent kids
from wandering into your pool. But while I disagree with the law in
principle, the amount of effort to put up a fence is not that great,
and if it saves even one life, it's probably worth it.

Then why shouldn't the irresponsible people that let their kids run loose
foot the bill for the fence, around their yard?
Why should the people with the pool have to pay for the fence?


The fence is your insurance. It protects you from liability lawsuits,
and it's required by most homeowner's insurance policies.

Maybe that's not the way it should be, but it's the way it IS.

Jesus christ, what a ****ing socialist.
I hope someone kills you.



Don't shoot me for telling you what the law says. If you don't like
it, take it up with them.


Dave

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:22:01 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:53:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

You have an overinflated sense of what the rest of society owes you
WRT consideration.

Dave

Really? If you had my flower garden, you were out at night enjoying
the
sights and smells, and I thought it was cute to shine one of the
zillion
candlepower searchlights in your face, how many days would it take
before
you had an ulcer? After all, you wouldn't actually DO anything about
it,
right?

Why would someone do that? You speak as if you have first hand
experience. One has to wonder why you have so many issues with
neighbors.


You come up with so many "annoyances" with relation to neighbors, I
have to wonder just what you were like to live next too. I'd love to
talk to your former neighbors. I'm sure they have some interesting
stories to tell.......

Dave


Actually, Dave, you've avoided the question. I've simply offered an
example
of something you would find annoying and perhaps painful. Using this
searchlight example, what would be analogous to a fence?

Sunglasses?

Dave

Yeah...OK, Dave.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:46:44 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

If you get it in the treads of your boots, where do you take the boots
to
clean them off? Let's assume it's a HUGE amount of ****.

Garden hose?

Ha. Talk about stepping in it.....you just did. I now live in an
apartment.
The neighborhood's full of stray dogs. The hose outlet is covered by a
locked box so the entire complex doesn't have a car washing party. Where
would you suggest I clean my shoes? Kitchen sink?

Works for me.

Does your family use the sinks as toilets, too?


crime has been compounded. Unfortunately, this isn't MY private property,
or
I'd settle the issue.

Since it isn't your property, you have no right to complain.

The residents have the right to complain because the dogs are ruining
common-use areas. This is the same logic used when municipalities ban dogs
from certain parks.



With what? And where would I put it? I usually walked in the street so
that if a (rare) accidental dropping would occur, it would be in the
street and not in someone's yard.

With a tool and a bag, you idiot. The street is shared property. Nobody
wants it on the sidewalks

Which is why it's in the street and not on the sidewalks.

That's much different. This way, if someone who doesn't live nearby is
getting back into their car and steps in it, they are forced to foul their
car rugs.


Kids play on the sidewalks. Kids (all kids,
everywhere, throughout recorded history) put their hands near or in their
mouths. Regardless of what the law says, it's your responsibility to
clean
it up within seconds of it happening. Period.

Who's responsibility is it to clean up the droppings from the Canadian
Geese, Deer, Squirrels, Chipmunks, Foxes, Wild Turkey, Rabbits,
Occasional bears, Raccoons, Possums, Various species of birds, etc? Do
kids only pick up dog poop? When you come up with a good answer for
that, then maybe I'll entertain your fantasy.

Stupid question. NOBODY can control thousands of wild animals. But dog
owners can control their dogs and clean up after them.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:52:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:23:53 -0400, DSK wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
I grasp it just fine.

In that case, when are you going to accept responsibility for your
actions?

I do, when they are truly mine.

Liar. In another message, you said that if your dog crapped while you
were
walking it, you wouldn't clean it up. You wondered how you would clean it
up. "With what?", you asked. Lame excuse.

Sorry, But I'm not about to carry a bucket and shovel around with me
when I jog. In my town it's not an issue. We at least have enough
common sense out here to realize that other critters besides dogs use
the ground to "dump" on, and it makes little sense to force dog owners
to clean up after messes that wild animals are free to engage in.

Silly boy. If you're walking your dog and the dog craps, it's done so in a
place where it's highly likely that other people will walk. On the other
hand, it's not often that deer go out of their ways to crap on sidewalks.



..... I don't expect other people
to keep their pets off of my lawn

So, we should think the same way? OK. I want to tie your daughter to your
stairway bannister and run a video camera as I play "hide the salami"
with
her rear end. I know the law frowns on that sort of thing with minors,
but
based on your logic, the law is flexible, designed to be ignored based on
what feels right to each of us.

You really do hold one standard for all issues don't you. A truly one
dimensional thinker.

You are a really sick *******. I'm done with you. You'll never be
happy as long as you harbor such thoughts.

Actually, abstract thinking *IS* the path to happiness.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:40:33 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:46:30 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:



Ok, if we stick to your binary view of property, you are either
on
your property or someone else's. When you leave your property, am
I
to
assume that you are intending to damage someone else's property?

Don't say stupid things. We're talking about a dog, not a person.

Why not? The principle's the same.

Don't be ridiculous. I define **** on my property as damage. It's my
property, so my definition is the only one that's valid.

The law would seem to disagree with you.

Actually, the simple concept of "private property" is the basis of a
whole
slew of laws. Regardless of how these laws are picked apart, only one
phrase
is needed to shut down arguments: private property. This is why people
can
get away with painting a house pink and putting stupid stuffed sheep and
plastic flamingoes on their front lawns.

Now you sound like a libertarian, placing property rights above
individual rights. And in many (and a growing number of) places you
CAN'T paint your house pink or put tacky lawn ornaments out.

Usually in places where those restrictions are made known to buyers before
they sign on the dotted line.


To say that a dog intends to do damage every time he leave his lawn is
also false. A dog is a four legged anarchist. He's just doing his
thing.

I never said the dog intended to do it. I said that the owner intends for
the dog to do it.

That premise is false as it is based on the assumption that the dog
owner premeditated the act. Most dog owners do not apply that much
thought to a simple act of letting their critter out to roam.

Ding ding ding! You've won 100 points. Most dog owners do not apply that
much thought. Exactly. That would be called "thoughtless". Here's a strawman
you'll love. I decide to practice with my .40 cal handgun in my house. A
bullet goes through the wall and wounds my neighbor, or even better, his
dog. After all the commotion is over and someone bails me out of jail, the
neighbor asks "What the **** were you thinking???" My response: "Well, I
really didn't apply that much thought, and I had no idea it would travel
almost 50 feet."


The owner lets the dog roam because the owner is lazy. He
doesn't want to take the time to walk the dog, and/or the owner doesn't
want
to take the time to clean up dog crap in his OWN yard. So, the owner
transfers that work to other people.

But what about the many cases where the dog DOES drop in their own
yard first? Are you denying that these examples are usually the rule
and not the exception.? A dog tends to "go" where it is most
comfortable and familiar, and that usually means in his own yard.

What about dogs ****ing on peoples' lawns and plants? If you don't think
THIS is an issue, browse message in rec.dogs or whatever the NG is called.
At least once a week, someone will ask how to deal with what urine does to
lawns and plants, and he'll get LOADS of responses. Those responses must
come from people who've never seen the problem, right? Hint: Dogs mark
territories constantly as they roam.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


Sorry, But I'm not about to carry a bucket and shovel around with me
when I jog.

By the way, here's the method used by real people: Carry a small plastic bag
and a wad of paper towels to pick it up.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:58:48 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


If someone (or many someones) makes a habit of cutting across your
lawn

shred

We're not talking about someone cutting across your yard, Dave.

How else would he get there?

Pay attention.
Answer the question directly.
Quit stalling and fidgeting, if you're capable.

You have the legal means at your disposal to address trespassing
issues. If these avenues do not solve the problem, you can only do so
much to prevent continued transgressions. Putting up a fence would
solve the problem.

A punch in the face would solve the problem too, and not be so expensive.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:58:48 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


If someone (or many someones) makes a habit of cutting across your
lawn

shred

We're not talking about someone cutting across your yard, Dave.

How else would he get there?

Pay attention.
Answer the question directly.
Quit stalling and fidgeting, if you're capable.

You have the legal means at your disposal to address trespassing
issues. If these avenues do not solve the problem, you can only do so
much to prevent continued transgressions. Putting up a fence would
solve the problem.

Dave


In many towns, including mine, zoning laws prohibit the installation of
fences within a certain distance of the front property line. That often
leaves 1/3 to 1/2 of the front vulnerable. Then what?

Doug is a socialist.
He believes that if he trespasses on YOUR property YOU should bear the
additional expense of putting up a fence.
I think you should shoot him in the face, and then throw him in the local
dumpster so that he doesn't continue to aggravate other people.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:22:01 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:53:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

You have an overinflated sense of what the rest of society owes
you
WRT consideration.

Dave

Really? If you had my flower garden, you were out at night enjoying
the
sights and smells, and I thought it was cute to shine one of the
zillion
candlepower searchlights in your face, how many days would it take
before
you had an ulcer? After all, you wouldn't actually DO anything about
it,
right?

Why would someone do that? You speak as if you have first hand
experience. One has to wonder why you have so many issues with
neighbors.


You come up with so many "annoyances" with relation to neighbors, I
have to wonder just what you were like to live next too. I'd love to
talk to your former neighbors. I'm sure they have some interesting
stories to tell.......

Dave


Actually, Dave, you've avoided the question. I've simply offered an
example
of something you would find annoying and perhaps painful. Using this
searchlight example, what would be analogous to a fence?

Sunglasses?

Dave

Yeah...OK, Dave.

See?
He is cowardly, the base of his socialist nature.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:03:34 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:53:44 -0400, "Don"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote
Nature does not include guns. Nor do animals kill for sport or
revenge. But a few weeks of rain will dissolve dog droppings.

Then you would have no problem with someone else's dogs ****ting in
your
yard on a regular basis?

Personally, I don't care.

Thank you for admitting that.
Many of us won't stoop to that trailer park level.

For someone with your attitude, a trailer park would be an
improvement.


When you get to the point of being a *homeowner* rather than a renter,
you'll learn to appreciate property rights.

I am fairly confident that I've been a homeowner for longer than
you've been out of diapers.

Until then, shut the **** up.

Using your own attitude, I challenge you to make me shut up. Don't
like it? Well that's anarchy. So deal with it or STFU. You can't have
it both ways.

I'll have it anyway I want it Dave, and there isn't a damn thing you can do
about it.
And that galls you. LOL

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:46:44 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

If you get it in the treads of your boots, where do you take the boots
to
clean them off? Let's assume it's a HUGE amount of ****.

Garden hose?

Ha. Talk about stepping in it.....you just did. I now live in an
apartment.
The neighborhood's full of stray dogs. The hose outlet is covered by a
locked box so the entire complex doesn't have a car washing party. Where
would you suggest I clean my shoes? Kitchen sink?

Works for me.


crime has been compounded. Unfortunately, this isn't MY private property,
or
I'd settle the issue.

Since it isn't your property, you have no right to complain.

sigh
This boy is clinically stupid.
Rentors have 8 of the 10 rights of ownership.
*Exclusion* is one of them. Moron.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:46:44 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

If you get it in the treads of your boots, where do you take the
boots
to
clean them off? Let's assume it's a HUGE amount of ****.

Garden hose?

Ha. Talk about stepping in it.....you just did. I now live in an
apartment.
The neighborhood's full of stray dogs. The hose outlet is covered by a
locked box so the entire complex doesn't have a car washing party.
Where
would you suggest I clean my shoes? Kitchen sink?

Works for me.

Does your family use the sinks as toilets, too?

He rents a trailer. What do you think?

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:05:23 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:56:39 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote
I have mixed feelings about the pool/fence thing. On the one hand,
unauthorized people have no business trespassing on your yard, and
any
problems they get into should be on them. On the other hand, since
many laws are made to protect the irresponsible, they transferred
the
responsibility to everyone else when they require you to prevent
kids
from wandering into your pool. But while I disagree with the law in
principle, the amount of effort to put up a fence is not that great,
and if it saves even one life, it's probably worth it.

Then why shouldn't the irresponsible people that let their kids run
loose
foot the bill for the fence, around their yard?
Why should the people with the pool have to pay for the fence?


The fence is your insurance. It protects you from liability lawsuits,
and it's required by most homeowner's insurance policies.

Maybe that's not the way it should be, but it's the way it IS.

Jesus christ, what a ****ing socialist.
I hope someone kills you.



Don't shoot me for telling you what the law says. If you don't like
it, take it up with them.

Shove your laws right up your trailer park ass, Dave. LOL

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:terkc.2990$AV4.89401@attbi_s04...

"Don" wrote in message news:Tqjkc.372
He's a lying cowardly *******, a socialist.
He thinks rules are for you and me, but not him.
He deserves to be gang raped and killed.
His *type* drag the rest of us backwards.

One wonders why Anarchist have such a bad reputation. You are now
beginning
to sound more like Harry Krause.

The village idiot doesn't even know what the *word* means.
I hope someone kills you to, moron.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:08:34 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:23:53 -0400, DSK wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
I grasp it just fine.

In that case, when are you going to accept responsibility for your
actions?

I do, when they are truly mine.

Liar. In another message, you said that if your dog crapped while you
were
walking it, you wouldn't clean it up. You wondered how you would clean
it
up. "With what?", you asked. Lame excuse.

He's a lying cowardly *******, a socialist.
He thinks rules are for you and me, but not him.

Yet you are an anarchist who believes in abolishing order and rules.
What doesn't make sense here?


He deserves to be gang raped and killed.

And you deserve a lobotomy. For the protection of the rest of society.

His *type* drag the rest of us backwards.

Anarchy is hardly progressive. Hell even Harry thinks you're not
wrapped too tight. You're extreme even by my standards.

Your mom is extreme, by your standards.
She should have aborted your less than worthless ass.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote
Sorry, But I'm not about to carry a bucket and shovel around with me
when I jog. In my town it's not an issue. We at least have enough
common sense out here to realize that other critters besides dogs use
the ground to "dump" on, and it makes little sense to force dog owners
to clean up after messes that wild animals are free to engage in.

Dave couldn't be bothered by cleaning up after himself in the trailer park.
After all, his fat, pimply assed wife routinely ****s in the neighbors yard.
I hope his whole family gets killed, soon.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
Sorry, But I'm not about to carry a bucket and shovel around with me
when I jog. In my town it's not an issue. We at least have enough
common sense out here to realize that other critters besides dogs use
the ground to "dump" on, and it makes little sense to force dog owners
to clean up after messes that wild animals are free to engage in.

Silly boy. If you're walking your dog and the dog craps, it's done so in a
place where it's highly likely that other people will walk. On the other
hand, it's not often that deer go out of their ways to crap on sidewalks.

He was talking about his wife, not deer.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:06:46 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote
The problem with your examples are that they are extreme. I would no
more deliberately bring my dog to another property than I would
deliberately pass by another boat at close range while pre-planing.

You're full of **** and you don't own a boat, or anything of value.

Oh? I welcome

**** you, socialist lying *******.
Have you always been so child like?

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:12:46 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:02:04 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


It is you that doesn't know that you are a socialist.
You don't seem to know much about anything at all, Dave.
You don't have a spine nor a brain and you speak like a child.
And you expect anyone at all to lend you any creedence?



Since we've

shred

Blah, blah, blahhhhhhh

You are a problem for society and deserve to be killed, immediately.



I'll take that as an acknowledgement.

Yes Dave, we already acknowledged that you are a socialist and a drawback to
society.
I hope you and your entire family get killed by other socialists, you know,
people that think you have no property rights, just like you. LOL

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:44:37 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:02:26 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


What??? No - I'm guilty the moment the razor blades go into my
pocket.


Ok then. The next question I have is, do you refrain from stealing
those $50 worth of razor blades because you know it's morally wrong,
or because you feel that you have a good chance of getting caught?

Dave

Choice A, Dave. If I shop in a store, it's because I like the place.
The
owner or company has created a place that serves me well. They deserve
to
prosper.


Well, that is an answer. Just not the answer to the question which I
asked. I didn't ask where you shop and why. I asked you whether you
refrain from stealing because you believe, through an inner sense of
morality, that it's the "right" thing to do, or whether you do so
because you don't want to take the chance of getting caught and being
forced to atone for your crime?



Wait! Let me head off your next question. No, I do not steal from
places I
do NOT like.


Somehow I don't think you will give me a straight answer to my first
question. You are deliberately vague and non committal. Not unlike a
certain democratic presidential wannabee.

Dave


Get off your high horse, Dave. Your secret is out...DON has exposed you
as ... a socialist!


Does this mean that I can come to the next meeting with you Harry?

It means you may get gang raped and then killed, ****tard.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote
No, I asked you if you didn't shoplift due to an inner conscious
morality,

As if a socialist has any regard at all for morality.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:00:50 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:58:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Frankly, I'm not sure, but that wasn't the point.


Then what is?

Dave

A previous message mentioned a vanishing cat. That seemed OK with you.
So,
what difference does it make HOW a pet vanishes, whether it's whisked
away
by animal control to place where it will likely be euthanized eventually,
or
if it's flattened by a car? Gone is gone.


The difference is intent,

You're full of ****, socialist.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:00:50 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:58:40 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Frankly, I'm not sure, but that wasn't the point.


Then what is?

Dave

A previous message mentioned a vanishing cat. That seemed OK with you.
So,
what difference does it make HOW a pet vanishes, whether it's whisked
away
by animal control to place where it will likely be euthanized
eventually,
or
if it's flattened by a car? Gone is gone.


The difference is intent, and whether or not the action was sanctioned
by the law.


Dave

That would not change how the family felt about losing the pet. Gone is
gone.

Socialists don't understand these things, unless it happens to them, then
they squeal like a bald tire.
I hope Daves entire family gets killed.
Maybe then he'll understand how to act like a human being....but I doubt it.
That boy wasn't raised right.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:45:53 -0400, "Don"
wrote:


"John Smith" wrote in message
news:7Z7kc.15737$RE1.1365917@attbi_s54...
Well another compassionate liberal jumps in.

The difference between a dog attacking his dog and a dog taking a ****
in
his yard should be obvious to anyone. You are allowed to protect
yourself
and your family (most people consider a pet as part of the family) when
they
are placed in immediate danger.

Then you would be wrong, as usual, moron.
A pet is *property*, just as ones yard is *property*.
Pay attention.
The LAW says that pets and land are property and the owner has the right
to
defend his property with whatever defensive measures he deems
appropriate.
If you don't like it, then do something about it, moron.

Spoken like a typical immature kid......

Awwww, don't cry Dave.
You socialists don't like to have your nose shoved into your own ****, do
you? LOL

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Some years ago, a neighbor who had two dogs, a sheltie and a cocker
spaniel, lost the sheltie to another neighbor's German shepherd. The
two
little dogs were in their own yard, kept there by training and by an
"invisible" fence...one of those electronic fences.

About a month later, the shepherd came back for another visit, and
started going after the cocker spaniel. The spaniel owner came out and
bashed in the skull of the shepherd with a shovel, and then dragged the
carcass out to the middle of the road.

All's well that ends well.

I would've dragged the shepherd to the owner's home with the hope that
his
children were there to see it. But that's me. Sometimes I like more
drama
than other people.


Drama? You call that drama? Puss.
I would have dragged the dead animal over there, knocked on the door and
when the owner answered, I would have beat his ass into next week with
the
dead carcass.


Are you a long tall, Texan, or simply the ******* son of Karen Smith of
Oz and Tuuk of Uranus? Or simply an 11-year-old boy who found daddy's
password?

Don't bother to answer. I read maybe one in 30 of your idiotic
posts...that's about one a day.

Are you same guy that has been accused of child molestation?

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:58:17 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Don wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Some years ago, a neighbor who had two dogs, a sheltie and a cocker
spaniel, lost the sheltie to another neighbor's German shepherd. The
two
little dogs were in their own yard, kept there by training and by an
"invisible" fence...one of those electronic fences.

About a month later, the shepherd came back for another visit, and
started going after the cocker spaniel. The spaniel owner came out and
bashed in the skull of the shepherd with a shovel, and then dragged
the
carcass out to the middle of the road.

All's well that ends well.

I would've dragged the shepherd to the owner's home with the hope that
his
children were there to see it. But that's me. Sometimes I like more
drama
than other people.


Drama? You call that drama? Puss.
I would have dragged the dead animal over there, knocked on the door
and
when the owner answered, I would have beat his ass into next week with
the
dead carcass.


Are you a long tall, Texan, or simply the ******* son of Karen Smith of
Oz and Tuuk of Uranus? Or simply an 11-year-old boy who found daddy's
password?


The funniest part is that he is so extreme, he calls *ME* a socialist.

Is *socialist* another word you don't understand, Dave?
Someone ought to donate a dictionary to your trailer park. LOL

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:clrkc.3035$AV4.89655@attbi_s04...

"Don" wrote in message
...
. I re-scooped
Streudal out of my truck and rang the neighbors doorbell, interrupting
their
movie rental/pizza party, and when the dad answered the door I threw
Streudal on their foyer floor. Their two kids were mortified, the dad
was
stunned, the wife was ready to faint. They moved about a month later. I
hope
I scared all of them for life, for seeing Streudal plattered on the road
scarred me. Payback is a whore.


I can't believe anyone would move when they have such a great neighbor.

You idiot.
I took care of their house and their pets for 3weeks while they were on
vacation.
And you defend those kind of folks?
You have defined yourself, moron.

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Charles" wrote in message
...


Don wrote:

Drama? You call that drama? Puss.
I would have dragged the dead animal over there, knocked on the door and
when the owner answered, I would have beat his ass into next week with
the
dead carcass.

I have absolutely no patience for someone that takes on the
responsibility
of another, and then abuses it.
An ex-neighbor had a cat named *Streudal*, a big champagne colored cat
that
they let run loose through the neighborhood. I liked Streudal, him and I
got
along fine, he would fequently spend the day in my home-office lounging
across the top of my Plotter in the sun.

One night while going to the convenience store I saw Streudal splattered
on
the highway. It tore me up, bad. I went home and got a shovel, I
intended to
bury Streudal off the side of the road. While driving back to get the
shovel
I came up with another idea, one that might make a difference. I scooped
Steudal up and put him in the back of my truck and drove home. I
re-scooped
Streudal out of my truck and rang the neighbors doorbell, interrupting
their
movie rental/pizza party, and when the dad answered the door I threw
Streudal on their foyer floor. Their two kids were mortified, the dad
was
stunned, the wife was ready to faint. They moved about a month later. I
hope
I scared all of them for life, for seeing Streudal plattered on the road
scarred me. Payback is a whore.

Another truly sick idiot.

What is your opinion of the neighbor?

When would you board someone else's boat??
 

"Don" wrote in message
...


It means you may get gang raped and then killed, ****tard.


Don,
Tell us what you really think.