"JR North" wrote in message
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Pure bull****. There should be NO water in the bilge except
what gets in through spray or rain.

Not true.

Many inboards have specs that the shaft packing should have an occasional
drip.

--
-Netsock

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."
http://home.insight.rr.com/cgreen/

I think the manufacturer is giving you a perfectly correct answer.

What isn't being said ( by you or he ) is what amount of water is there...
and how much is "normal". No bilge pump can pump the last drop out. The real
question is "How much" and "how" did it get there?

If you launch the boat totally dried out, just let it float at the dock, and
then see water in the bilge ten minutes later...you've got a leak. It might
be, as some have pointed out, a "normal" trickle from I/O bellows. I had a
sailboat that had a "normal" leak from the packing glands when the engine
was running.

If you launch dry, check for no water and it is still dry...and then run the
boat at a moderate speed..and you've got water..you've got a leak.

If you have to run the boat full speed and now see some water, it might be
spray???

Only you can answer those questions.

Try experimenting until you find exactly the situation where-upon she takes
on water.

I, for one, would like to hear a follow-up after you've done all of that.
regards,
RichG
http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffOwners

Didn't read the original post, sorry. Without knowing how much water were
talking about, the explanation you are given is accurate for residual
waters from rain, condensation, or use.

If your really concerned, take the boat out of the water for a few days,
store under some sort of shelter/cover with the bow up to allow all the
water out. Relaunch and examine the bilge for incomming water. Be
forwarned even siting overnight you might accumulate some minimal water
(eg a few spongefuls) in the bilge just from condensation.

If you just launched the boat, didn't run the boat past idle speed, it's a
dry day, and you've noted water in the bilge, you may have a problem.
Take the boat back to the dealer and bitch until they check it out, and
don't take the boat back until your satisfied the problem is corrected.


In article , "Ernie"
wrote:

A few days ago I posted a message regarding water in my bilge's new 2003
Trophy and all who responded were unanimous in agreeing that was not normal
and should be traced to the source so it could be remedied. Here is what
Ken Naff, the Regional Service Manager for Trophy boats said and I quote:

"With regard to water in the bilge, it is not uncommon and there will likely
be some residual such as you experience. If the water is in sufficient
quantity the bilge pump will pump it out. Please be advised when the pump
shuts off any water left in the hose runs back into the bilge."

How many of you agree with this explanation?

In article zE0fc.31738$_K3.130511@attbi_s53, "Tony Thomas"
writes:

He is only correct from the point of a small amount of water can be found
based on any number of reasons from swimming, splashover, rain, etc....
However, if non of these are the reason and you ever have enough water for
the bilge to pump out - there is a problem.
The dealer has no way of finding the leak unless he is at the water.

Well, he could put some water inside the boat and look for it leaking out.





Frank Bell
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A. Top Posting.

Q. What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

All four boats I have owned have had wet bilges. (Your later message thread
suggests that you have a problem, but in general...)

I know of people with dry bilges, and they sponge them out once in a while
after which they stay dry for a long time, even with a slow drip from a
packing gland.

Not so mine. The problem can be several things, but rainwater has been my
big one. I am on a gradual campaign to rebed all sorts of fittings, etc., in
my present boat, but in one of the boats a basic design flaw allowed litres
of rain water to wash into the the bilge from the cockpit, so it was
virtually impossible to keep ahead of. (Bilge water stayed quite fresh, as
long it rained once in a while!) It made the bilges very humid, of course,
but much improved once I recognized it and added extra ventilation (very
small, very simple, dried the bulkheads right out).

The important thing is that a boat isn't leaking from below. Unless it's
wood, in which case it might have to swell up a bit after being launched,
but basically, a leak below or near the wateline isn't going to get better.
That has to be found and fixed.

My boat stays bone dry until it rains, and then emptying the bilges is a
long, dirty job that only lasts until the next rain - so I don't.

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"Ernie" wrote in message
news
A few days ago I posted a message regarding water in my bilge's new 2003
Trophy and all who responded were unanimous in agreeing that was not
normal
and should be traced to the source so it could be remedied. Here is what
Ken Naff, the Regional Service Manager for Trophy boats said and I quote:

"With regard to water in the bilge, it is not uncommon and there will
likely
be some residual such as you experience. If the water is in sufficient
quantity the bilge pump will pump it out. Please be advised when the pump
shuts off any water left in the hose runs back into the bilge."

How many of you agree with this explanation?

"Netsock" wrote in news:c5j7rj$s5r$1
@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu:

"Tony Thomas" wrote in message
news:zE0fc.31738$_K3.130511@attbi_s53...

The dealer has no way of finding the leak unless he is at the water.

I've been checking hull leaks for years, by filling them with water, then
observing from dry dock.


You patch your hull leaks with water then check your work at drydock?

From the same fellow who "ploinks" posters with "double digit IQ's"?

Shut your pie hole Greenhalgh.

"Joe S" wrote in message
...
"Netsock" wrote in news:c5j7rj$s5r$1
@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu:

"Tony Thomas" wrote in message
news:zE0fc.31738$_K3.130511@attbi_s53...

The dealer has no way of finding the leak unless he is at the water.

I've been checking hull leaks for years, by filling them with water,
then
observing from dry dock.


You patch your hull leaks with water then check your work at drydock?

No...I take the boat out of the water (dry dock), fill the hull, and look to
see where water comes out.


From the same fellow who "ploinks" posters with "double digit IQ's"?

Actually, I found it interesting that this method had to be explained to
you.


Shut your pie hole Greenhalgh.

Heh heh...what is your IQ Joe?

--
-Netsock

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."
http://home.insight.rr.com/cgreen/

I'm the guy that posted the original message regarding water in the bilge
and filling it with water is exactly what Portland Yacht Services of
Portland, Maine will be doing this Friday weather permitting. Hopefully
they will find the lead and I will water free coming May 15, launch time.
Damn it's been a long winter.


"Netsock" wrote in message
...
"Joe S" wrote in message
...
"Netsock" wrote in news:c5j7rj$s5r$1
@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu:

"Tony Thomas" wrote in message
news:zE0fc.31738$_K3.130511@attbi_s53...

The dealer has no way of finding the leak unless he is at the water.

I've been checking hull leaks for years, by filling them with water,
then
observing from dry dock.


You patch your hull leaks with water then check your work at drydock?

No...I take the boat out of the water (dry dock), fill the hull, and look
to
see where water comes out.


From the same fellow who "ploinks" posters with "double digit IQ's"?

Actually, I found it interesting that this method had to be explained to
you.


Shut your pie hole Greenhalgh.

Heh heh...what is your IQ Joe?

--
-Netsock

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."
http://home.insight.rr.com/cgreen/

"Ernie" wrote in message
...
I'm the guy that posted the original message regarding water in the bilge
and filling it with water is exactly what Portland Yacht Services of
Portland, Maine will be doing this Friday weather permitting. Hopefully
they will find the lead and I will water free coming May 15, launch time.
Damn it's been a long winter.

Yep. This is a very tried and true method, however, may not be applicable on
all boats.

Some boats freeboard, puts the deck under the water line...there's just so
much water you can fill the hull with.

While I may have not explain myself perfectly, methinks Joe is a little
slow.

No harm tho...good luck in finding the leak, and let us know.

--
-Netsock

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."
http://home.insight.rr.com/cgreen/

Ernie-I have noticed several people giving good advice-I have not noticed any
response from you, so maybe the problem is no more! However, since I have a
similar hull ('99 2052), have had similar tbls and I have also spoken with Mr.
Naff, you might want to email me if the problem is ongoing.
By the way, you have a damn good boat, don't get worried to death about small
stuff. ALL boats ALWAYS have something or other that needs attention. Perhaps
that's why we buy 'em.
Best wishes
Mike